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Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:

Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Look, the Parker is a fine half-day fishing platform. However, for
the
particular usage contemplated in The Challenge it comes up short.
Take a
closer look at its weight, towing profile and *width* compared to
the
Grady or 2252. If given the choice, which would you prefer to tow
to
remote adventures.

Uh, you're not familiar with the two boats. My Parker has a much,
much
larger cabin area than that Bayliner, with full standing headroom in
the
main cabin, along with running water, a refrigerator, a stove
burner,
and two fans, plus opening side windows, an opening windshield, and
opening windows and a hatch forward. There's also a full electric
head
up forward. And in the cabin and exterior steering and control
stations.
Plus, my Parker has flat, open cockpit that measures nearly 11' by
about
8.5', big enough to set up a picnic table and chairs. And it has a
full
bimini. Plus there's a full-width motor bracket with ladder.

How nice, but I wouldn't want to tow it any distance. So there we
are.
You've made your points about towing and I've made mine about
towability. Hopefully, the info can be used productively.

--
Skipper

Skipper,
I am not sure if my question was posted, but do you have any plans to
visit Gulf of Cortes in the near future?



Well, "Reggie," you just came up a point in my book. You spelled Cortés
properly. The man was Spanish, not Mexican.

Ok, I just have to jump in (I don't have anything better to do at the
moment).
It is the Sea of Cortez (of Cortes, maybe, maybe not) or the Gulf of
California.
I'll, of course, be a little embarrassed if someone actually looks it up
and proves me wrong, but that's what I grew up with and I'm, like the man
says, stickin' to it.
I used to camp at Playa Santispac and I've been to Santa Rosalia. If
anyone isn't daunted by the logistics of getting to the area, especially
you fishermen, it is well worth the visit at least once in your travels;
Bahia del Los Angeles would be a great destination. Don't worry about
the North winds too much, but watch out for the West winds that come
howlin' down off the hills now and then. As much as I would really enjoy
revisiting the area as a boater, it's just too far for me to tow.


Amen on the winds. Driving from San Filipe to Ensenada years go, my 1975
Chevy van had a hard time going up the steep hills with a 50-60 mile per
hour head wind.


I used to surf and camp at Cabo Colonet on the Pacific side (of course). It
was a barren piece of land with little to show for it's existence other than
a fish camp shack, a shipwreck (there's a YMCA story in that one), and some
uncrowded surf. The conversation generally consisted of the following:
"Sure is windy." "Yep, sure is." The Pacific side isn't all that bad for
wind, but when those winds come howling down the east facing side of the
mountains, you get stories about 1975 vans and headwinds!

I don't remember the name of those winds, but whoever mentioned the
"tostitos" (god I like this ng) really wasn't that far off; sort of along
the lines of thoe Mel Torme winds in Greece.

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Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote:

Second, the overall profile of the 2252 makes it easier to tow at
interstate speeds.


I don't tow at "interstate" speeds. I tow between 55 and 60 mph.
Easier on me, easier on the trucks, easier on the fuel tank.


That's right. When I towed my 'new to me' sailboat back 1200 km from
Quebec I stayed at 90km. This was no problem on divided 4 lane
highways, but in some areas of the Trans Canada it was old fashioned
two lane blacktop. Very uncomfortable to see an 18 wheeler grill
filling your rearview mirror as he desperately tries to pass on rough
busy road

I tow at freeway speeds. But the limit is 55 in California, and they
seem to ignore 65 on the freeway, as everybody is averaging 10 over
anyway. I drive to Los Angeles at about 80. Truck runs good there,
gets good milage, and sort of like SS Tom, I love speed.


I got tired of towing after just 2 months of it. The boat goes in the
water at a dock from now on.


Too many different waters I like. is about 45 miles to Pillar Point
Harbor for salmon and crabs. 20 miles to SF Bay at San Leandro for
stripers / sharks / sturgeon. 40 miles to the Sacramento Delta for Black
Bass ' stripers / sturgeon. 120 miles to Cherry Lake by Yosemite for
camping and skiing and hiking. and the rivers I like to run at about 130
miles.


What great options you have Bill! For us it is either inland lakes or the
Great Lakes, Lake Erie being most convenient.



And what big teeth!

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Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote:

Second, the overall profile of the 2252 makes it easier to tow at
interstate speeds.


I don't tow at "interstate" speeds. I tow between 55 and 60 mph.
Easier on me, easier on the trucks, easier on the fuel tank.


That's right. When I towed my 'new to me' sailboat back 1200 km from
Quebec I stayed at 90km. This was no problem on divided 4 lane
highways, but in some areas of the Trans Canada it was old fashioned
two lane blacktop. Very uncomfortable to see an 18 wheeler grill
filling your rearview mirror as he desperately tries to pass on rough
busy road

I tow at freeway speeds. But the limit is 55 in California, and they
seem to ignore 65 on the freeway, as everybody is averaging 10 over
anyway. I drive to Los Angeles at about 80. Truck runs good there,
gets good milage, and sort of like SS Tom, I love speed.


Some clarification, Bill. Do you tow your boat with your truck at 80 mph
or just drive your truck without the boat at 80 mph?


I tow 65-70 on the freeway. Radar detector on. Without boat I do about
80-82 on trips to LA area. Both daughters live there. At 82 I get about
18.3 mpg at 85 I get about 15.9 mpg. Has got to be the ECU programming.
I tow with a 2004 2500 Crewcab diesel.


Geez Bill, I'm stuck at 14mpg unloaded with my 2001 Ford F150 Supercrew,
12.5mpg towing the boat at 60-70 mph, and 7 mpg towing my 25 foot trailer at
55-65 mph. I'd love to improve my mpg a bit, especially with the trailer
attached!

How often does that radar detector light up on our highways?

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We were paying close to that when we had our 32 footer, but it was a
drive up dock and quite nice.


What's a "drive up dock"?

Eisboch


I wanted to know, too! Thanks for asking.

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We were paying close to that when we had our 32 footer, but it was a
drive up dock and quite nice.


What's a "drive up dock"?

Eisboch


I wanted to know, too! Thanks for asking.


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Harry Krause wrote:

It is unlikely Skipper has ever seen a PArker.

Been sippin' the suds a bit tonight, Krause? Enjoy your P-Arrrker!

--
Skipper

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:30:10 -0500, Wayne.B
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:01:40 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Guaymas to Santa Rosalia.

So when is your next trip?

We eagerly await the report.

seriously, i have never done any fishing in that area - i would really
like to sometime in the future.

anybody want to get up a group charter? :)

You said, you were not leaving the country. ;( And how good is a one
armed fisherman? How can you scratch your ass while fishing?


An even greater dilema: a fish on the line and an unopened cold beer in
hand. Does a one-armed fishermen who enjoys his beer, use his one arm to
open the beer or let it go and hang on to the fish?


There is rarely any beer drunk on my boat. I have maybe 12 beers a year,
and I do not allow smoking on the boat.

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Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote:

Second, the overall profile of the 2252 makes it easier to tow at
interstate speeds.


I don't tow at "interstate" speeds. I tow between 55 and 60 mph.
Easier on me, easier on the trucks, easier on the fuel tank.


That's right. When I towed my 'new to me' sailboat back 1200 km from
Quebec I stayed at 90km. This was no problem on divided 4 lane
highways, but in some areas of the Trans Canada it was old fashioned
two lane blacktop. Very uncomfortable to see an 18 wheeler grill
filling your rearview mirror as he desperately tries to pass on rough
busy road

I tow at freeway speeds. But the limit is 55 in California, and they
seem to ignore 65 on the freeway, as everybody is averaging 10 over
anyway. I drive to Los Angeles at about 80. Truck runs good there,
gets good milage, and sort of like SS Tom, I love speed.


Some clarification, Bill. Do you tow your boat with your truck at 80
mph or just drive your truck without the boat at 80 mph?


I tow 65-70 on the freeway. Radar detector on. Without boat I do about
80-82 on trips to LA area. Both daughters live there. At 82 I get about
18.3 mpg at 85 I get about 15.9 mpg. Has got to be the ECU programming.
I tow with a 2004 2500 Crewcab diesel.


Geez Bill, I'm stuck at 14mpg unloaded with my 2001 Ford F150 Supercrew,
12.5mpg towing the boat at 60-70 mph, and 7 mpg towing my 25 foot trailer
at 55-65 mph. I'd love to improve my mpg a bit, especially with the
trailer attached!

How often does that radar detector light up on our highways?


The radar detector is really useful on 101 North of you. Every chippie has
a radar unit. My 1999 Expedition 4x4, probably same 5.4L saw 16.5 mpg one
time. Love the diesel, except for the fuel prices, and in LA is harder to
find diesel stations. And my boat / trailer is about 4400# and towing to
Tahoe or Oroville is a dream. If you camp, take your boat to Oroville.
Beautiful lake, and some of the nicest campgrounds around. Really nice
bathrooms with power outlets. Wife loves that part. Great 4th of July
fireworks, just too hot then. So we've been going to Gold Beach, OR for the
4th now.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:

Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Look, the Parker is a fine half-day fishing platform. However,
for the
particular usage contemplated in The Challenge it comes up
short. Take a
closer look at its weight, towing profile and *width* compared
to the
Grady or 2252. If given the choice, which would you prefer to
tow to
remote adventures.
Uh, you're not familiar with the two boats. My Parker has a much,
much
larger cabin area than that Bayliner, with full standing headroom
in the
main cabin, along with running water, a refrigerator, a stove
burner,
and two fans, plus opening side windows, an opening windshield,
and
opening windows and a hatch forward. There's also a full electric
head
up forward. And in the cabin and exterior steering and control
stations.
Plus, my Parker has flat, open cockpit that measures nearly 11' by
about
8.5', big enough to set up a picnic table and chairs. And it has a
full
bimini. Plus there's a full-width motor bracket with ladder.
How nice, but I wouldn't want to tow it any distance. So there we
are.
You've made your points about towing and I've made mine about
towability. Hopefully, the info can be used productively.

--
Skipper
Skipper,
I am not sure if my question was posted, but do you have any plans
to visit Gulf of Cortes in the near future?

Well, "Reggie," you just came up a point in my book. You spelled
Cortés properly. The man was Spanish, not Mexican.
Ok, I just have to jump in (I don't have anything better to do at the
moment).
It is the Sea of Cortez (of Cortes, maybe, maybe not) or the Gulf of
California.
I'll, of course, be a little embarrassed if someone actually looks it
up and proves me wrong, but that's what I grew up with and I'm, like
the man says, stickin' to it.
I used to camp at Playa Santispac and I've been to Santa Rosalia. If
anyone isn't daunted by the logistics of getting to the area,
especially you fishermen, it is well worth the visit at least once in
your travels; Bahia del Los Angeles would be a great destination.
Don't worry about the North winds too much, but watch out for the West
winds that come howlin' down off the hills now and then. As much as I
would really enjoy revisiting the area as a boater, it's just too far
for me to tow.

Sigh. Once again, Cortés was Spanish, not Mexican. Therefore his last
name is spelled Cortés, not Cortez. Cortes is the Mexican spelling of
the name, but not the way the man himself spelled it.

But, Harry, the sea, not the man, is called the Sea of Cortez. It
doesn't matter that he was a Spaniard. The Gulf of California is called
the Sea of Cortez. Now I will concede that this spelling is prevalent on
English language maps and documents, and that Spanish language maps and
documents may very well disagree with the spelling. Still, you remind me
of me back in the day when I took my last university English course. One
of the topics we covered was the evolution of language. It was very
upsetting to me, the dumbing down of the language; but I had to concede
that language, whether it was alright with me, or not, does evolve, and
words and their meanings, uses, pronunciations, even spellings, does
change as a result of external pressures. So, whether Senor Cortes was
Spanish or Mexican makes no difference to me; I still have to look up the
Sea of Cortez under the Cortez spelling. By the way, did you really find
my comment on spelling more interesting than my suggestion that boating
in the Gulf of California would be a great idea for anyone interested in
such an endeavor?


I prefer to spell names the way the owner of the name spells it.

Maybe he could not spell? ;) As to his name, it was probably at least 7 or
8 names more.

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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:27:54 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:57:51 -0600, Skipper wrote:

JohnH wrote:

The overall experience with this usage. The Grady makes the Cortez a
realistic adventure. The Parker precludes anything but the same ol'
local same ol'. An on-the-water Cortez adventure *far* exceeds anything
you'll ever find on the Chesapeake.

[Damn, this is harder than pulling hen's teeth!]

Skipper, what *overall experience with this usage*?

Why would the Grady make the adventure any more realistic than the
Parker?

Suppose if you made two trips, one with the Parker and another with the
Grady you'd understand. Towability is an important factor in the overall
experience.

Damnit! I've already conceded the towability issue. Now - we're there. We
have two boats, a Grady 228 and a Parker 2520XL. Which would do better
crossing the Sea of Corte's, and why so?
--
John H


Skippy is playing you like a violin John.


And you, of course, noticed that I have remained civil, yes?

Remember rule #1, Be nice.
--
John H

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