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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 18 Jan 2006 17:26:57 -0800, wrote: http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...g_id=1457&url= boring.... Maybe you could request an auxiliary motor like that fast super yacht. A nice gas turbine. |
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wrote in message oups.com... http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...g_id=1457&url= Sweet. And just the ticket for your neck of the woods. Think I'd opt for the twin Cats rather than the single Cummins, just for maneuverability and redundancy. My dad had a 48' Hatt LRC in the early 80's. Based in Florida, he cruised the Keys, Bahamas, and Caribbean extensively with that boat. Cruised the entire east coast. And then for a capstone to his cruising career, an 18-month cruise starting in Ft. Lauderdale, down to the northern coast of South America, through the Panama Canal, hung a sharp right turn, and finally turned around at Skagway, AK and headed back for Florida. All at 8 knots. The Florida to Alaska cruise was documented in feature articles in Yachting (July 1981, Frank & Lee Glindmeier), Hatteras World (Spring 1980, Sid Stapleton and Winter 1980, Sid Stapleton and Frank Glindmeier), Motorboat (April 1980, Jim McNitt), and Boating (April 1980, Sid Stapleton). I was fortunate to join him in a number of the legs on those cruises. Life in the slow lane can be good. |
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:59:00 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...g_id=1457&url= Just curious, what would you gain over the boat you have? Endless maintenance. ======================= In Chuck's case I'm not sure that's true. He's already got a "trawler like" boat in the mid to upper 30 ft range as I recall, with a single diesel and genset. To me that means the mechanicals are about the same with the possible exception of the bow thruster. He'd get a slightly larger boat with more range, and possibly a bit more sea worthiness but that doesn't seem like its worth almost $500K unless you really have your heart set on a long range cruiser for some reason. We have a range of about 1,000 nm with the GB49 but rarely need anything close to that. It's more a convenience than anything else, and we sometimes get to save a little on fuel by being able to wait until we are in an area with lower prices. |
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:23:01 -0700, "RG" wrote:
Life in the slow lane can be good. You bet. Slow and steady wins the race. A Hatt 48 LRC in good condition is going for about $300K these days, probably about the same, or even more, than when new. |
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wrote in message oups.com... http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...g_id=1457&url= Too slow. ; -Greg |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 18 Jan 2006 17:26:57 -0800, wrote: http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...g_id=1457&url= boring.... Maybe you could request an auxiliary motor like that fast super yacht. A nice gas turbine. I know a couple of inlets where you'd have a hard time coming in against an outgoing tide and a westerly wind with that boat. The inside passage to Alaska has some current rips that look like rapids during tide change. they say the trawlers all line up to make it through at slack tide. Want more power! |
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says... On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:59:00 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...g_id=1457&url= Just curious, what would you gain over the boat you have? Endless maintenance. ======================= In Chuck's case I'm not sure that's true. He's already got a "trawler like" boat in the mid to upper 30 ft range as I recall, with a single diesel and genset. To me that means the mechanicals are about the same with the possible exception of the bow thruster. He'd get a slightly larger boat with more range, and possibly a bit more sea worthiness but that doesn't seem like its worth almost $500K unless you really have your heart set on a long range cruiser for some reason. We have a range of about 1,000 nm with the GB49 but rarely need anything close to that. It's more a convenience than anything else, and we sometimes get to save a little on fuel by being able to wait until we are in an area with lower prices. Although I admire the GBs, they're toys in comparison to Chuck's lusted, which can seal tight and ride out any weather MN tosses her. I see this kind of construction go past my office every day. They're a sight to behold. You can sense their seaworthiness as you take in their construction. While 8 kts. is not my cup of tea, I certainly would be willing to give it a try. There's a lot you can do with one of those that I'd never dare to try in a well-built coastal cruiser. jps jps |
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Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 18 Jan 2006 17:26:57 -0800, wrote: http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...g_id=1457&url= boring.... Maybe you could request an auxiliary motor like that fast super yacht. A nice gas turbine. I know a couple of inlets where you'd have a hard time coming in against an outgoing tide and a westerly wind with that boat. The inside passage to Alaska has some current rips that look like rapids during tide change. they say the trawlers all line up to make it through at slack tide. Want more power! Actually, anybody with much time at all on our regional waters will try to time their arrival for slack, or near abouts. Here's why: Most of those "rapids" result in moving a lot of water through a very narrow passage. Imagine a 14-foot tide change (not uncommon here) ebbing or flooding through a hundred yard wide, or less, opening. Even *if* your boat has the power to run against the flow, it's ridiculous to do so. Example, Dodd Narrows. Maybe 40-50 yards wide, on average, with a bit of turn involved. Rocks on both sides. There is a huge lumber mill just north of Dodd, and there are log rafts running through there all the time (at slack). With all the lumbering in the area, there is a constant need to keep an eye out for drift. The guy who runs 18 knots into the 6 knot current to net 12 knots thinks he's got the cat by the pajamas.........until he gets an eyefull of the 2-foot diameter log, dead ahead, sideways in the current, headed straight for his stem and probably his props. No time or room to turn around...KER_CHUNK! Now he's dead inthe water, drifting astern, out of control. No thanks. You can separate the veterans from the greenhorns and the wannabe's around here by watching which boats try to run one of these passes against a serious flow. You can have all the power in the world at your command, but the bottom line is that there's nobody steering that oncoming log. Trawler boaters, like traditional seapeople everywhere, use tides, currents, and often even wind to our advantage and plan our passages to work *with* the forces of nature, rather than try to overpower them. And, oh, yeah.... with 800 gallons of fuel this boat probably approaches a 2000 mile range. Would last me about 2 years. :-) Some of your "fast boats" burn half of that in a three day weekend runing maybe 200 total miles. |
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Harry Krause wrote: wrote: http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...g_id=1457&url= So...how fast does that boat go? I hate wasting time getting out to the fish. It should do 9 knots easily. Maybe 10. It's available in either a full displacement or semi displacement hull, and the semi would be maybe a knot or so faster I'd think. Sunnfjord is primarily known for commercial fish and charter boats, and this hull is one of their commercial designs. Up this way, we don't have to go far to start having fun aboard a boat. If I want to fish, I have caught salmon in years past just a few hundred yards from the breakwater at the marina. I know of about a dozen fun, interesting, spots all within an hour and a half to two hours' trawler cruise from my slip. No need to go fast when you boat in Paradise, you're "there" when you cast off. :-) |
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:26:28 -0800, jps wrote: In article , says... On 18 Jan 2006 17:26:57 -0800, wrote: http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...g_id=1457&url= boring.... Stop trying to exhibit your fake low class. If you had an inside passage like we do you'd lust just like Chuck. like hell. the need for speed - inside passage my ass. :) You fishermen have single track minds. You should stop and smell the roses every now and again. sure - get a nose full of rose pollen and go into anaphylactic shock. great idea. LOL, thanks thats a great way to wake up. -- Reggie |
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"jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... wrote: http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...g_id=1457&url= So...how fast does that boat go? I hate wasting time getting out to the fish. Is that all a boat adds up to for you easterners? Don't you have any place to go, sit and enjoy the surroundings and your companions? Yes. I have to go to the fishing grounds. And I'd prefer to not have to leave the house at 11pm to be at the grounds by daybreak. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
wrote: Harry Krause wrote: wrote: http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...g_id=1457&url= So...how fast does that boat go? I hate wasting time getting out to the fish. It should do 9 knots easily. Maybe 10. It's available in either a full displacement or semi displacement hull, and the semi would be maybe a knot or so faster I'd think. Sunnfjord is primarily known for commercial fish and charter boats, and this hull is one of their commercial designs. Up this way, we don't have to go far to start having fun aboard a boat. If I want to fish, I have caught salmon in years past just a few hundred yards from the breakwater at the marina. I know of about a dozen fun, interesting, spots all within an hour and a half to two hours' trawler cruise from my slip. No need to go fast when you boat in Paradise, you're "there" when you cast off. :-) The only place around here where I could catch a salmon a few hundred yards from the marina is at a grocery store Next time you're up this way... http://mrffs.com/atlanticsalmon.html http://www.greatcanadianrivers.com/s...tion-home.html http://www.taymactours.com/salmon_margree.html |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote: Harry Krause wrote: wrote: Harry Krause wrote: wrote: http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...g_id=1457&url= So...how fast does that boat go? I hate wasting time getting out to the fish. It should do 9 knots easily. Maybe 10. It's available in either a full displacement or semi displacement hull, and the semi would be maybe a knot or so faster I'd think. Sunnfjord is primarily known for commercial fish and charter boats, and this hull is one of their commercial designs. Up this way, we don't have to go far to start having fun aboard a boat. If I want to fish, I have caught salmon in years past just a few hundred yards from the breakwater at the marina. I know of about a dozen fun, interesting, spots all within an hour and a half to two hours' trawler cruise from my slip. No need to go fast when you boat in Paradise, you're "there" when you cast off. :-) The only place around here where I could catch a salmon a few hundred yards from the marina is at a grocery store Next time you're up this way... http://mrffs.com/atlanticsalmon.html http://www.greatcanadianrivers.com/s...tion-home.html http://www.taymactours.com/salmon_margree.html I wouldn't mind a trip up your way. And I want to visit Donelle, too, over in Shemogue. That would be a nice cruise home, on a new Cape Islander type boat. Hope it's fuel efficient. |
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Harry Krause wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On 19 Jan 2006 01:05:30 -0800, wrote: No need to go fast when you boat in Paradise, you're "there" when you cast off. :-) That's kind of the way we feel down here in SWFL. My idea of "Paradise" includes lots of sunshine, temps in the 80s, warm water. I believe that excludes the Pacific Northwest. During portions of the year, we have everything except the warm water. We pretty much stay out of the water. Things we don't have a swarms of mosquitos, oppresive humidity, any serious need for air conditioning on a boat, early summer sunsets, manatees, overcrowded transient moorages (most of the time), wall to wall housing and civilization around our best cruising areas, or a 30 or 40 mile run to someplace that fish are biting. :-) |
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wrote in message oups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 18 Jan 2006 17:26:57 -0800, wrote: http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/p...g_id=1457&url= boring.... Maybe you could request an auxiliary motor like that fast super yacht. A nice gas turbine. I know a couple of inlets where you'd have a hard time coming in against an outgoing tide and a westerly wind with that boat. The inside passage to Alaska has some current rips that look like rapids during tide change. they say the trawlers all line up to make it through at slack tide. Want more power! Actually, anybody with much time at all on our regional waters will try to time their arrival for slack, or near abouts. Here's why: Most of those "rapids" result in moving a lot of water through a very narrow passage. Imagine a 14-foot tide change (not uncommon here) ebbing or flooding through a hundred yard wide, or less, opening. Even *if* your boat has the power to run against the flow, it's ridiculous to do so. Example, Dodd Narrows. Maybe 40-50 yards wide, on average, with a bit of turn involved. Rocks on both sides. There is a huge lumber mill just north of Dodd, and there are log rafts running through there all the time (at slack). With all the lumbering in the area, there is a constant need to keep an eye out for drift. The guy who runs 18 knots into the 6 knot current to net 12 knots thinks he's got the cat by the pajamas.........until he gets an eyefull of the 2-foot diameter log, dead ahead, sideways in the current, headed straight for his stem and probably his props. No time or room to turn around...KER_CHUNK! Now he's dead inthe water, drifting astern, out of control. No thanks. You can separate the veterans from the greenhorns and the wannabe's around here by watching which boats try to run one of these passes against a serious flow. You can have all the power in the world at your command, but the bottom line is that there's nobody steering that oncoming log. Trawler boaters, like traditional seapeople everywhere, use tides, currents, and often even wind to our advantage and plan our passages to work *with* the forces of nature, rather than try to overpower them. And, oh, yeah.... with 800 gallons of fuel this boat probably approaches a 2000 mile range. Would last me about 2 years. :-) Some of your "fast boats" burn half of that in a three day weekend runing maybe 200 total miles. Props? Rapids? I have an aluminum jetboat! |
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On 19 Jan 2006 07:49:34 -0800, wrote:
wall to wall housing and civilization around our best cruising areas, We don't really have that in SWFL, not yet anyway, and not in most places. Some of the best cruising around here is in Pine Island Sound which is mostly protected refuge of one sort or another. |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:31:28 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: You may believe what you wish. My belief is that most posters do not want to engage you or your snottiness. Right on that. My several attempts to engage in civil discourse have ended in some sort of ill informed east/west diatribe. Some things never seem to change in Kansas, even when rec.boats does. |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:33:47 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: "We pretty much stay out of the water," would pretty much mean I wouldn't bother with a boat. I agree. One of the attractions is south Florida is being able to take your boat out to a nearly deserted beach on the barrier islands and have the whole place pretty much to yourself for the afternoon. |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:34:20 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
Yes. I have to go to the fishing grounds. And I'd prefer to not have to leave the house at 11pm to be at the grounds by daybreak. You go 50 miles out? |
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wrote in message oups.com... Harry Krause wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On 19 Jan 2006 01:05:30 -0800, wrote: No need to go fast when you boat in Paradise, you're "there" when you cast off. :-) That's kind of the way we feel down here in SWFL. My idea of "Paradise" includes lots of sunshine, temps in the 80s, warm water. I believe that excludes the Pacific Northwest. During portions of the year, we have everything except the warm water. We pretty much stay out of the water. I hardly ever go into the water down here either...except wading to shore when I pull up by boat. After fishing almost every weekend for the last 6 years, I've determined that there are far too many sharks for my liking. |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:11:37 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
I hardly ever go into the water down here either...except wading to shore when I pull up by boat. After fishing almost every weekend for the last 6 years, I've determined that there are far too many sharks for my liking. Which goes to show that you really shouldn't swim where you chum. :-) I haven't heard of any west coast shark attacks in FL. Do you know of any? Alligators seem to be more of a menace around here. |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... wrote: Harry Krause wrote: My idea of "Paradise" includes lots of sunshine, temps in the 80s, warm water. I believe that excludes the Pacific Northwest. During portions of the year, we have everything except the warm water. We pretty much stay out of the water. Things we don't have a swarms of mosquitos, When boating, the mosquitos don't bother me. But the no-see-ums suck. oppresive humidity, I'll take heat/humidity any day over cold/damp. God designed to handle the heat with a built-in air conditioning system: sweating and evaporation. What did he give us to deal with cold? Shivering. any serious need for air conditioning on a boat, And we don't have a serious need for a heater. early summer sunsets, ??? Not sure what you mean here. It's light until 8:30 or 9 in the Summer. manatees, You got me there. They're nice to look at...but the slow zones designed to protect them are a nuisance. Of course, you have a trawler...so the slow zones wouldn't affect you in the least bit. overcrowded transient moorages (most of the time), Ummm, there's a reason why our moorages are crowded and yours aren't. wall to wall housing and civilization around our best cruising areas, There's very little housing lining Pine Island Sound, or the gulfside of Sanibel, Captiva, and North Captiva. And if you travel down from Everglades City to the Florida Keys, there's zero civilization along the way. But you do have some of the prettiest scenery up you way. or a 30 or 40 mile run to someplace that fish are biting. :-) Fish that I've regularly caught within 5 miles of sho Gag grouper 80 lb. Jewfish (aka--Goliath Grouper) Red Grouper 100 lb. Tarpon 100 lb+ Shark (grey, nurse, and even a baby hammerhead) Snapper (grey, lane, yellowtail) Grunts (key west and tomtate) Sheepshead Trigger fish Kingfish spanish mackeral ladyfish snook redfish black drum bonito barracuda various other reef fish Fish that I've caught from my dock: snook redfish snapper baby barracuda I only head 30-40 miles offshore to catch the big 'uns: giant grouper, smoker kings, blackfin tuna, and amberjack |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:34:20 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Yes. I have to go to the fishing grounds. And I'd prefer to not have to leave the house at 11pm to be at the grounds by daybreak. You go 50 miles out? Some of the wrecks that I plan on hitting this Spring are 50-70 miles from sho Bayronto Fantastico Stoney Point Most of the rest of the time, I'm fishing anywhere from 0 to 25 miles offshore. But I plan on making some runs to the Keys on long (3-4 day) weekends once the cold fronts are done blowing through our area. A slow-moving boat wouldn't work well for me...at least until I retire. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:11:37 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: I hardly ever go into the water down here either...except wading to shore when I pull up by boat. After fishing almost every weekend for the last 6 years, I've determined that there are far too many sharks for my liking. Which goes to show that you really shouldn't swim where you chum. :-) I haven't heard of any west coast shark attacks in FL. Do you know of any? Some European guy got bit on the calf off of Sanibel last summer/fall. There was also a guy in the last 5 years in this area who jumped into the water off of his dock, and landed right on top of a bull shark lurking beneath in the dark water. The shark bit him as a self-defense mechanism, piercing his liver and killing him. |
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NOYB wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:34:20 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Yes. I have to go to the fishing grounds. And I'd prefer to not have to leave the house at 11pm to be at the grounds by daybreak. You go 50 miles out? Some of the wrecks that I plan on hitting this Spring are 50-70 miles from sho Bayronto Fantastico Stoney Point Most of the rest of the time, I'm fishing anywhere from 0 to 25 miles offshore. But I plan on making some runs to the Keys on long (3-4 day) weekends once the cold fronts are done blowing through our area. A slow-moving boat wouldn't work well for me...at least until I retire. IN the Gulf if you go out 50 miles, isn't the depth about 25'? -- Reggie ****** |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:03:50 -0600, Skipper wrote:
wrote: Harry Krause wrote: My idea of "Paradise" includes lots of sunshine, temps in the 80s, warm water. I believe that excludes the Pacific Northwest. During portions of the year, we have everything except the warm water. We pretty much stay out of the water. Things we don't have a swarms of mosquitos, oppresive humidity, any serious need for air conditioning on a boat, early summer sunsets, manatees, overcrowded transient moorages (most of the time), wall to wall housing and civilization around our best cruising areas, or a 30 or 40 mile run to someplace that fish are biting. :-) Those Eastcoasters have had several opportunities to make their case. Believe their silence says it all. We simply have to make do with what we have. I'd love to have a trawler in Seattle and my Proline in the Chesapeake, with maybe another one down in Florida. That would be the best of *all* worlds. The Puget Sound area would be my 'dream boating' area, simply because it's so damn beautiful! -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** |
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NOYB wrote:
I haven't heard of any west coast shark attacks in FL. Do you know of any? Some European guy got bit on the calf off of Sanibel last summer/fall. There was also a guy in the last 5 years in this area who jumped into the water off of his dock, and landed right on top of a bull shark lurking beneath in the dark water. The shark bit him as a self-defense mechanism, piercing his liver and killing him. Jeeze! Crowds, surliness, overfishing, anti fishing and boating regulations, skeetos, no-see-ums, pollution, and NOW shark attacks? We dive WITH sharks in the Cortez...your sharks must be infected with that infamous Floriduh surliness. -- Skipper |
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:34:20 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Yes. I have to go to the fishing grounds. And I'd prefer to not have to leave the house at 11pm to be at the grounds by daybreak. You go 50 miles out? Some of the wrecks that I plan on hitting this Spring are 50-70 miles from sho Bayronto Fantastico Stoney Point Most of the rest of the time, I'm fishing anywhere from 0 to 25 miles offshore. But I plan on making some runs to the Keys on long (3-4 day) weekends once the cold fronts are done blowing through our area. A slow-moving boat wouldn't work well for me...at least until I retire. IN the Gulf if you go out 50 miles, isn't the depth about 25'? Only on low tide. On high tide, it's at least 26 or 27 feet. And on those full moon tides...whoa! |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... and NOW shark attacks? We dive WITH sharks in the Cortez... Perhaps you've happened upon an odiferous stench that the sharks find unappealing. |
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JohnH wrote:
Those Eastcoasters have had several opportunities to make their case. Believe their silence says it all. We simply have to make do with what we have...The Puget Sound area would be my 'dream boating' area, simply because it's so damn beautiful! I just pull their chain because they refuse to admit the truth. -- Skipper |
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NOYB wrote:
"Skipper" wrote... and NOW shark attacks? We dive WITH sharks in the Cortez... Perhaps you've happened upon an odiferous stench that the sharks find unappealing. Now that *would* be a marketing opportunity. -- Skipper |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:23:45 -0600, Skipper wrote:
your sharks must be infected with that infamous Floriduh surliness. Time to sail that prairie schooner of yours down the coast a bit. http://www.hayduderanch.com/Horses/forsale/100_1253.jpg Trolling is better in western Kansas. |
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NOYB wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... wrote: Harry Krause wrote: My idea of "Paradise" includes lots of sunshine, temps in the 80s, warm water. I believe that excludes the Pacific Northwest. During portions of the year, we have everything except the warm water. We pretty much stay out of the water. Things we don't have a swarms of mosquitos, When boating, the mosquitos don't bother me. But the no-see-ums suck. oppresive humidity, I'll take heat/humidity any day over cold/damp. God designed to handle the heat with a built-in air conditioning system: sweating and evaporation. What did he give us to deal with cold? Shivering. any serious need for air conditioning on a boat, And we don't have a serious need for a heater. early summer sunsets, ??? Not sure what you mean here. It's light until 8:30 or 9 in the Summer. And that's about an hour earlier than summer sunset up this way. In late June, it doesn't get really dark until close to 10PM, and sunrise is around 4 AM. |
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