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Wild salmon vs farmed
Why is it a good thing to eat wild commercially caught salmon and a bad
thing to eat farmed salmon? Here in Washington State, we spend millions to enhance streams, reverse erosion, stop cows from peeing in creeks, etc to save dwindling stocks of wild salmon and at the same time, conservationists tell us to eat wild fish only! What the ^%$&? And while I'm at it, why do people go nuts when there is a minor sewage spill yet the city of Victoria Canada can dump 34 million gallons of untreated sewage per DAY into the Straits of Juan de Fuca with no adverse effects? Gordon -- Ask not for whom the terrorist bell tolls; it tolls for thee, and thee, and thee--for decent, innocent people everywhere. |
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"Gordon" wrote in message ... Why is it a good thing to eat wild commercially caught salmon and a bad thing to eat farmed salmon? Here in Washington State, we spend millions to enhance streams, reverse erosion, stop cows from peeing in creeks, etc to save dwindling stocks of wild salmon and at the same time, conservationists tell us to eat wild fish only! What the ^%$&? One reason might be one which is supposedly being dealt with: Any time animals are kept in more crowded conditions than is natural for them, disease spreads more quickly. I've read that there were (may still be?) issues with diseased fish escaping farm operations in large enough numbers to have an adverse effect on local wild populations. Perhaps people are thinking of this when they say "don't eat farm raised fish". On the other hand, wild fish populations are dwindling, so for certain species, it makes sense to leave them alone and eat the farm raised version. You just can't win with this issue, ya know? And while I'm at it, why do people go nuts when there is a minor sewage spill yet the city of Victoria Canada can dump 34 million gallons of untreated sewage per DAY into the Straits of Juan de Fuca with no adverse effects? Gordon Those filthy Canadians! I knew there was a reason they should be on our list for invasion. While we're pondering the unanswerable: When the batteries in the TV remote are getting weak, why do we press harder on the buttons? |
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"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:26:41 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Gordon" wrote in message ... Why is it a good thing to eat wild commercially caught salmon and a bad thing to eat farmed salmon? Here in Washington State, we spend millions to enhance streams, reverse erosion, stop cows from peeing in creeks, etc to save dwindling stocks of wild salmon and at the same time, conservationists tell us to eat wild fish only! What the ^%$&? One reason might be one which is supposedly being dealt with: Any time animals are kept in more crowded conditions than is natural for them, disease spreads more quickly. I've read that there were (may still be?) issues with diseased fish escaping farm operations in large enough numbers to have an adverse effect on local wild populations. The diseased fish that don't escape get served for dinner, along with the healthy ones which have been pumped full of steroids, growth hormones and anti-biotics. They also get fed pellets made with mad cow infected beef. Mmmm... Tasty! Commodore Joe Redcloud© On a related note, I read recently that mad cow disease has been found in deer and elk out west. I don't recall the means of infection, but it was very simple. Happy hunting. Time to become vegetarians soon. |
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"Gordon" wrote in message ... Why is it a good thing to eat wild commercially caught salmon and a bad thing to eat farmed salmon? Here in Washington State, we spend millions to enhance streams, reverse erosion, stop cows from peeing in creeks, etc to save dwindling stocks of wild salmon and at the same time, conservationists tell us to eat wild fish only! What the ^%$&? And while I'm at it, why do people go nuts when there is a minor sewage spill yet the city of Victoria Canada can dump 34 million gallons of untreated sewage per DAY into the Straits of Juan de Fuca with no adverse effects? Gordon -- Ask not for whom the terrorist bell tolls; it tolls for thee, and thee, and thee--for decent, innocent people everywhere. Because of the feed for the farm raised fish. They are eating beef and pork animal by products. So the fish do not have the healthy Omega 3 oil levels. Plus disease, and all the concentrated poop they swim in. |
Wild salmon vs farmed
Gordon wrote: Why is it a good thing to eat wild commercially caught salmon and a bad thing to eat farmed salmon? Here in Washington State, we spend millions to enhance streams, reverse erosion, stop cows from peeing in creeks, etc to save dwindling stocks of wild salmon and at the same time, conservationists tell us to eat wild fish only! What the ^%$&? And while I'm at it, why do people go nuts when there is a minor sewage spill yet the city of Victoria Canada can dump 34 million gallons of untreated sewage per DAY into the Straits of Juan de Fuca with no adverse effects? Gordon cite? |
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wrote in message oups.com... Gordon wrote: Why is it a good thing to eat wild commercially caught salmon and a bad thing to eat farmed salmon? Here in Washington State, we spend millions to enhance streams, reverse erosion, stop cows from peeing in creeks, etc to save dwindling stocks of wild salmon and at the same time, conservationists tell us to eat wild fish only! What the ^%$&? And while I'm at it, why do people go nuts when there is a minor sewage spill yet the city of Victoria Canada can dump 34 million gallons of untreated sewage per DAY into the Straits of Juan de Fuca with no adverse effects? Gordon cite? Do a google. Lots of info on a major city without a sewage treatment plant. |
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The disease in deer and elk is called chronic wasting disease or cwd. This
sounds better than the infamous "mad cow disease", however they are closely related. I hunted Colorado this fall and they go into great detail on how to safely handle the meat. To date, there are no known cases of humans contacting the disease. As for diseased fish, thats all nonsense as far as I can tell. However, if someone read it on the internet, it must be true! Gordon On a related note, I read recently that mad cow disease has been found in deer and elk out west. I don't recall the means of infection, but it was very simple. Happy hunting. Time to become vegetarians soon. |
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Would you believe the same foods are fed to both cattle and farmed fish?
Large masses of small sardine type fishes are caught in the southern oceans and are processed as animal food, high in proteins etc. And the poop falls to the sea floor which actually makes a fertile seafloor with good crabbing ! Gordon "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... "Gordon" wrote in message ... Why is it a good thing to eat wild commercially caught salmon and a bad thing to eat farmed salmon? Here in Washington State, we spend millions to enhance streams, reverse erosion, stop cows from peeing in creeks, etc to save dwindling stocks of wild salmon and at the same time, conservationists tell us to eat wild fish only! What the ^%$&? And while I'm at it, why do people go nuts when there is a minor sewage spill yet the city of Victoria Canada can dump 34 million gallons of untreated sewage per DAY into the Straits of Juan de Fuca with no adverse effects? Gordon -- Ask not for whom the terrorist bell tolls; it tolls for thee, and thee, and thee--for decent, innocent people everywhere. Because of the feed for the farm raised fish. They are eating beef and pork animal by products. So the fish do not have the healthy Omega 3 oil levels. Plus disease, and all the concentrated poop they swim in. |
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"Gordon" wrote in message
... The disease in deer and elk is called chronic wasting disease or cwd. This sounds better than the infamous "mad cow disease", however they are closely related. I hunted Colorado this fall and they go into great detail on how to safely handle the meat. To date, there are no known cases of humans contacting the disease. As for diseased fish, thats all nonsense as far as I can tell. However, if someone read it on the internet, it must be true! Gordon Mad cow disease is caused by prions. I'm not totally clear on what that is, but diseased meat cannot be made safe by cooking, unless the meat's incinerated beyond the point of being edible. If CWD is also caused by prions, there is no way to safely handle the meat other than to not eat it. As far as fish diseases, which ones are nonsense? Whirling disease? Others? Enlighten me. |
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Mad cow disease is caused by prions. Madcow disease was cured in this NG about 4 years ago. -- Skipper |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... Mad cow disease is caused by prions. Madcow disease was cured in this NG about 4 years ago. -- Skipper Quiet, meat sock. |
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:24:15 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: Because of the feed for the farm raised fish. They are eating beef and pork animal by products. So the fish do not have the healthy Omega 3 oil levels. Plus disease, and all the concentrated poop they swim in. The Omega 3 thing is the big issue. And, they have feed the fish food coloring so they look like salmon. A big thing for me is they just don't taste as good. Farmed raised salmon is very bland compared to wild. bb |
Wild salmon vs farmed
Gordon wrote: Why is it a good thing to eat wild commercially caught salmon and a bad thing to eat farmed salmon? Here in Washington State, we spend millions to enhance streams, reverse erosion, stop cows from peeing in creeks, etc to save dwindling stocks of wild salmon and at the same time, conservationists tell us to eat wild fish only! What the ^%$&? And while I'm at it, why do people go nuts when there is a minor sewage spill yet the city of Victoria Canada can dump 34 million gallons of untreated sewage per DAY into the Straits of Juan de Fuca with no adverse effects? Gordon Fish farming in estuaries like Puget Sound is environmentally destructive. In nature, a school of salmon travels through miles of ocean every day and is not restricted to swimming in the same water it fouls with its waste. This is rather obviously not true with fish raised in very crowded conditions in a pen. In nature, the salmon are able to take food from the surrounding waters (schools of bait fish, etc), and again this is not true in a pen situation. The seafloor becomes so contaminated under a salmon pen that the normal sea life is either altered in consist or dies out entirely for large areas surrounding the pen. Commercial "fish food" must be fed to the farmed fish, and as the uneaten chunks of this stuff settle into the water and rots it promotes the growth of algae, etc. Holmes Harbor, on Whidbey Island, is an excellent example. My parent lived there for a while, and when they moved in the beaches in the harbor were clean and clamming was pretty good in certain sections. After a couple of fish farms set up shop, the beaches eventually became covered with green slime and algae and clamming went straight to heck. Fish farms are forced to use a lot of medication to prevent the spread of disease among the unnaturally dense and confined schools of fish, and this medication finds its way into the meat much the same way that growth hormones show up in beef and milk, etc. Finally, most of the fish farms in the Pacific NW raise Atlantic salmon, which are not native to the NW. When these fish escape, (and some always manage to escape), they compete with native stocks for available food. If any of the escaped farm fish eventually went upstream to spawn...(maybe not all that likely because salmon typically return to the stream where they were hatched)...they would compete for opportunities to mate with the dominant native species but would be genetically unable to produce offspring. Seen on a bumper sticker: Help Stamp out Dangerous Drugs, Refuse to Eat Farmed Fish. |
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"Gordon" wrote in message ... The disease in deer and elk is called chronic wasting disease or cwd. This sounds better than the infamous "mad cow disease", however they are closely related. I hunted Colorado this fall and they go into great detail on how to safely handle the meat. To date, there are no known cases of humans contacting the disease. As for diseased fish, thats all nonsense as far as I can tell. However, if someone read it on the internet, it must be true! Gordon Sick fish are a major concern. The sick get into the wild and spread alien to the region disease. The farm raised salmon are Atlantic salmon, and being raised on the west coast bring other disease to the pacific salmon. The massive decline in Southern California abalone was from Japanese abalone that were planted by an abalone farm, spreading "withering food" disease. And those sardines that were fed to cows are changed to different formula by the cow. |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Gordon" wrote in message ... The disease in deer and elk is called chronic wasting disease or cwd. This sounds better than the infamous "mad cow disease", however they are closely related. I hunted Colorado this fall and they go into great detail on how to safely handle the meat. To date, there are no known cases of humans contacting the disease. As for diseased fish, thats all nonsense as far as I can tell. However, if someone read it on the internet, it must be true! Gordon Mad cow disease is caused by prions. I'm not totally clear on what that is, but diseased meat cannot be made safe by cooking, unless the meat's incinerated beyond the point of being edible. If CWD is also caused by prions, there is no way to safely handle the meat other than to not eat it. As far as fish diseases, which ones are nonsense? Whirling disease? Others? Enlighten me. The Mad Cow prions seem to affect man. There is another prion disease found in sheep, that does not cross over. |
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http://www.healthcastle.com/farmed-salmon.shtml
A site that will still leave the issue confused. Gordon |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Gordon" wrote in message ... Why is it a good thing to eat wild commercially caught salmon and a bad thing to eat farmed salmon? Here in Washington State, we spend millions to enhance streams, reverse erosion, stop cows from peeing in creeks, etc to save dwindling stocks of wild salmon and at the same time, conservationists tell us to eat wild fish only! What the ^%$&? One reason might be one which is supposedly being dealt with: Any time animals are kept in more crowded conditions than is natural for them, disease spreads more quickly. I've read that there were (may still be?) issues with diseased fish escaping farm operations in large enough numbers to have an adverse effect on local wild populations. Perhaps people are thinking of this when they say "don't eat farm raised fish". On the other hand, wild fish populations are dwindling, so for certain species, it makes sense to leave them alone and eat the farm raised version. You just can't win with this issue, ya know? And while I'm at it, why do people go nuts when there is a minor sewage spill yet the city of Victoria Canada can dump 34 million gallons of untreated sewage per DAY into the Straits of Juan de Fuca with no adverse effects? Gordon Those filthy Canadians! I knew there was a reason they should be on our list for invasion. While we're pondering the unanswerable: When the batteries in the TV remote are getting weak, why do we press harder on the buttons? About a month ago (my timeline could be off bit) the news was reporting that farm raised salmon were less healthy for humans than wild salmon; I don't recall if it was a heart disease report, or something else. |
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"Bryan" wrote in message et... About a month ago (my timeline could be off bit) the news was reporting that farm raised salmon were less healthy for humans than wild salmon; I don't recall if it was a heart disease report, or something else. If I recall correctly it had something to do with the amount of fat contained in farm raised salmon. Eisboch |
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I think we may have missed part of the story. Wild salmon eat masses of
oceanic crustaceans that contain the orange or red pigment that makes flamingos pink, scarlet ibises scarlet, and the meat of wild salmon red. Farmed fish don't have access to crustaceans, so the fishfeed formulators put red dye into the food to color the flesh as the consumers have come to expect it to be. There are scientific studies that claim the dye is harmful and should not be eaten with consistency. And many of us like fish as a favorite food to go after salmon with consistency. Can't catch wild ones because of habitat degradation and overfishing (Alaska silver salmon sport limit is down to one per day from six per day as late as 1998). Can't eat the pen-reared ones because they're not good for your body. Switch off to another favorite fish is the only plan I have. My Mom used to tell me "there are plenty of fish in the sea." She was talking about girls then, but I find that, fish or girls, there are fewer and fewer keepers and the sea isn't as well-populated now, either way you take it. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Gordon" wrote in message ... The disease in deer and elk is called chronic wasting disease or cwd. This sounds better than the infamous "mad cow disease", however they are closely related. I hunted Colorado this fall and they go into great detail on how to safely handle the meat. To date, there are no known cases of humans contacting the disease. As for diseased fish, thats all nonsense as far as I can tell. However, if someone read it on the internet, it must be true! Gordon Mad cow disease is caused by prions. I'm not totally clear on what that is, but diseased meat cannot be made safe by cooking, unless the meat's incinerated beyond the point of being edible. If CWD is also caused by prions, there is no way to safely handle the meat other than to not eat it. As far as fish diseases, which ones are nonsense? Whirling disease? Others? Enlighten me. The Mad Cow prions seem to affect man. There is another prion disease found in sheep, that does not cross over. What about the fish diseases which you claim to be nonsense? You haven't answered that question. I'm going to need to see some cites which describe the research on these non-issue diseases. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Bryan" wrote in message et... About a month ago (my timeline could be off bit) the news was reporting that farm raised salmon were less healthy for humans than wild salmon; I don't recall if it was a heart disease report, or something else. If I recall correctly it had something to do with the amount of fat contained in farm raised salmon. Eisboch I wonder (sorry-no cites available) if it's related to the food they're given. After all, you don't hear much about wild salmon eating cows. |
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Here's a scary thing, marginal to this discussion: On a Nova show last year,
they said that some killer whales' body tissue contains so much toxic crap (by parts per million or however it's measures) that if the animals were land-based waste, they'd be subject to special handling by whoever needed to discard them. I'm sure the fish we eat don't have the same issues, though, because they swim in special water, unlike the whales. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Bryan" wrote in message et... About a month ago (my timeline could be off bit) the news was reporting that farm raised salmon were less healthy for humans than wild salmon; I don't recall if it was a heart disease report, or something else. If I recall correctly it had something to do with the amount of fat contained in farm raised salmon. Eisboch I wonder (sorry-no cites available) if it's related to the food they're given. After all, you don't hear much about wild salmon eating cows. PCB's are stored in the fat, and farm raised salmon will have more fat, http://www.healthcastle.com/wildsalm...edsalmon.shtml I have been buying farm raised shrimp, but am now concerned about all farm raised fish. Damn all of you. -- Reggie ****** |
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. Doug Kanter wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Bryan" wrote in message et... About a month ago (my timeline could be off bit) the news was reporting that farm raised salmon were less healthy for humans than wild salmon; I don't recall if it was a heart disease report, or something else. If I recall correctly it had something to do with the amount of fat contained in farm raised salmon. Eisboch I wonder (sorry-no cites available) if it's related to the food they're given. After all, you don't hear much about wild salmon eating cows. PCB's are stored in the fat, and farm raised salmon will have more fat, http://www.healthcastle.com/wildsalm...edsalmon.shtml I have been buying farm raised shrimp, but am now concerned about all farm raised fish. Damn all of you. Here, unless I want to pay four million bucks a pound for "wild" shrimp, the only option is farm-raised stuff. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: Here's a scary thing, marginal to this discussion: On a Nova show last year, they said that some killer whales' body tissue contains so much toxic crap (by parts per million or however it's measures) that if the animals were land-based waste, they'd be subject to special handling by whoever needed to discard them. I'm sure the fish we eat don't have the same issues, though, because they swim in special water, unlike the whales. There you go again, trying to raise some controversial political issue. Are you trying to make the netcops chokes? Well, admittedly, it is fun to toy with science. Some will say that since the fish we eat are so much smaller than killer whales, they contain less toxins, so concerns are minimal. However, we eat them regularly. So.....??? Similar reasoning here in Rochester. There are health warnings for eating certain types & sizes of fish from Lake Ontario, and most years, the warnings include even smaller fish because they're finding increased toxin levels. Meanwhile, the city and some surrounding areas get their drinking water from Lake Ontario. The water authority says not to worry because we don't "breathe" the water, like the fish. But, we drink it and cook with it all our lives, and it's supposed to be harmless. Yeah. OK. Downstream, in the St Lawrence River, scientists find beluga whales with cancer. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
I have been buying farm raised shrimp, but am now concerned about all farm raised fish. Damn all of you. Here, unless I want to pay four million bucks a pound for "wild" shrimp, the only option is farm-raised stuff. And then there's the situation in Guaymas/San Carlos: As the daily brilliant sunrises prove, there are compensations, including those early morning visits from the Shrimp Man. Fresh, headless truly jumbo prawns, right out of the sea, for less than $6 a pound. How 'bout a kilo or two? It is best in the West. -- Skipper |
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Okay, how about one more website, obviously in support of farmed salmon.
This site has answers to all your questions, but from a farm point of view. So who do you believe? http://www.salmonoftheamericas.com/index.html The one thing that stands out in all the hyperbole is the difference between EPA and FDA safe levels of pcb's. About a 10x difference. So who do you trust? Beats me. Gordon |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Gordon" wrote in message ... The disease in deer and elk is called chronic wasting disease or cwd. This sounds better than the infamous "mad cow disease", however they are closely related. I hunted Colorado this fall and they go into great detail on how to safely handle the meat. To date, there are no known cases of humans contacting the disease. As for diseased fish, thats all nonsense as far as I can tell. However, if someone read it on the internet, it must be true! Gordon Mad cow disease is caused by prions. I'm not totally clear on what that is, but diseased meat cannot be made safe by cooking, unless the meat's incinerated beyond the point of being edible. If CWD is also caused by prions, there is no way to safely handle the meat other than to not eat it. As far as fish diseases, which ones are nonsense? Whirling disease? Others? Enlighten me. The Mad Cow prions seem to affect man. There is another prion disease found in sheep, that does not cross over. What about the fish diseases which you claim to be nonsense? You haven't answered that question. I'm going to need to see some cites which describe the research on these non-issue diseases. The fish diseases affect the wild fish. Whirling disease from hatchery trout has screwed up more than one lake. |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Here's a scary thing, marginal to this discussion: On a Nova show last year, they said that some killer whales' body tissue contains so much toxic crap (by parts per million or however it's measures) that if the animals were land-based waste, they'd be subject to special handling by whoever needed to discard them. I'm sure the fish we eat don't have the same issues, though, because they swim in special water, unlike the whales. Has to do with age more than size. Longer lived, more concentrations. halibut of 200# are almost not sellable by the commercials. To much mercury. The buyers want the 60# and less. As to the Mercury, most is from China and all the coal they burn. That air pollution has to go somewhere. |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:13:27 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Bryan" wrote in message . net... About a month ago (my timeline could be off bit) the news was reporting that farm raised salmon were less healthy for humans than wild salmon; I don't recall if it was a heart disease report, or something else. If I recall correctly it had something to do with the amount of fat contained in farm raised salmon. Eisboch I believe you're right. Farm raised salmon are *very* fatty, especially when compared to wild salmon. -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:13:27 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Bryan" wrote in message . net... About a month ago (my timeline could be off bit) the news was reporting that farm raised salmon were less healthy for humans than wild salmon; I don't recall if it was a heart disease report, or something else. If I recall correctly it had something to do with the amount of fat contained in farm raised salmon. Eisboch PS. I've noticed that the amount of fat seems to vary considerably. The Safeway salmon is very fatty, but the Costco salmon shows much less fat. The Costco salmon also tastes much better than the Safeway. But, none of them are as good as the wild stuff! -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Gordon" wrote in message ... The disease in deer and elk is called chronic wasting disease or cwd. This sounds better than the infamous "mad cow disease", however they are closely related. I hunted Colorado this fall and they go into great detail on how to safely handle the meat. To date, there are no known cases of humans contacting the disease. As for diseased fish, thats all nonsense as far as I can tell. However, if someone read it on the internet, it must be true! Gordon Mad cow disease is caused by prions. I'm not totally clear on what that is, but diseased meat cannot be made safe by cooking, unless the meat's incinerated beyond the point of being edible. If CWD is also caused by prions, there is no way to safely handle the meat other than to not eat it. As far as fish diseases, which ones are nonsense? Whirling disease? Others? Enlighten me. The Mad Cow prions seem to affect man. There is another prion disease found in sheep, that does not cross over. What about the fish diseases which you claim to be nonsense? You haven't answered that question. I'm going to need to see some cites which describe the research on these non-issue diseases. The fish diseases affect the wild fish. Whirling disease from hatchery trout has screwed up more than one lake. Wild fish can infect farm fish and vice versa. The feed has antibiotics in it to protect the farmed fish. If that bothers you, then so should commercially grown chicken, beef, and all farm crops. Remember DDT and alar? Gordon |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... While we're pondering the unanswerable: When the batteries in the TV remote are getting weak, why do we press harder on the buttons? Well, duh, because we can! And besides, after all the years of our wives telling us "harder, harder" it reminds us of sex. And it's the best of both worlds: we think we're having sex and we get to watch tv! |
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"Gordon" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Gordon" wrote in message ... The disease in deer and elk is called chronic wasting disease or cwd. This sounds better than the infamous "mad cow disease", however they are closely related. I hunted Colorado this fall and they go into great detail on how to safely handle the meat. To date, there are no known cases of humans contacting the disease. As for diseased fish, thats all nonsense as far as I can tell. However, if someone read it on the internet, it must be true! Gordon Mad cow disease is caused by prions. I'm not totally clear on what that is, but diseased meat cannot be made safe by cooking, unless the meat's incinerated beyond the point of being edible. If CWD is also caused by prions, there is no way to safely handle the meat other than to not eat it. As far as fish diseases, which ones are nonsense? Whirling disease? Others? Enlighten me. The Mad Cow prions seem to affect man. There is another prion disease found in sheep, that does not cross over. What about the fish diseases which you claim to be nonsense? You haven't answered that question. I'm going to need to see some cites which describe the research on these non-issue diseases. The fish diseases affect the wild fish. Whirling disease from hatchery trout has screwed up more than one lake. Wild fish can infect farm fish and vice versa. The feed has antibiotics in it to protect the farmed fish. If that bothers you, then so should commercially grown chicken, beef, and all farm crops. Remember DDT and alar? Gordon DDT, was actually benign to humans, just screwed up the reproduction of birds. Thin eggs. I do not like all the antibiotics and hormones in animals. Seen the young ladies these days? When you see a 10 year old, that is as developed as the 15 year olds of the late 1950's when I was 15, you can see that things are not good. Alar, is a bogus answer. Sure the wild can give disease to the farm raised, but more likely the other way. And since farm animal byproducts are part of farm raised fish food, you get a double dose of the hormones and other drugs. Besides I like to catch salmon, but do not care to eat them. Plus it is an extremely dirty, polluting business. |
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"Bryan" wrote in message om... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... While we're pondering the unanswerable: When the batteries in the TV remote are getting weak, why do we press harder on the buttons? Well, duh, because we can! And besides, after all the years of our wives telling us "harder, harder" it reminds us of sex. And it's the best of both worlds: we think we're having sex and we get to watch tv! ROTFLMAO! |
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And while I'm at it, why do people go nuts when there is a minor sewage spill yet the city of Victoria Canada can dump 34 million gallons of untreated sewage per DAY into the Straits of Juan de Fuca with no adverse effects? Gordon You'll be pleased to know that the Liberals in Canada are now pressing, hard, to fund a sewage treatment plant in Victoria. Looks like you and the Liberals are on the same side here, but to be fair the Conservatives are also in favor of a sewage plant (as well as additional army bases) so you don't *really* have to agree with the Liberals in order to be in favor of sewage treatment. :-) ***** Victoria sewage plant in Liberal plan View Larger Image Prime Minister Paul Martin's Liberals will unveil a new "made-in-B.C. agenda" on Friday. Photograph by : Canadian Press Article Tools Printer friendly Font: * * * * CanWest News Service Published: Friday, January 06, 2006 OTTAWA -- Funding for a sewage treatment plant for Greater Victoria is part of a made-for-B.C. agenda that federal Liberals are expected to release today as part their election campaign. The list of priorities, being championed by B.C. Liberal MPs, also includes: - A national centre for disaster-response training and research. - A B.C.-focused regional-development agency. - A research centre on drug addiction and mental health in Surrey - A new visa office in Guangzhou in southern China - Funding for Nanaimo's convention centre in Nanaimo. Building a sewage treatment plant would allow Greater Victoria to end its practice of dumping raw sewage into Juan de Fuca Strait. But the idea of building such a plant remains controversial, with many people, including Victoria Liberal MP David Anderson, who isn't running again, saying it's not necessary because the ocean does an excellent job of diluting and dispersing the sewage, rendering it harmless. Victoria Mayor Alan Lowe, a sewage treatment plant supporter, said he's delighted with the news. He pointed out that the NDP and Conservatives are also supporting sewage treatment for Victoria. "They're all talking about it now. They know this has been an issue in the capital region for decades. The timing is right. The 2010 Olympics are coming. The capital city should have sewage treatment," said Lowe. Liberal Industry Minister David Emerson and Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh are to reveal the B.C. platform in Vancouver today. Conservative Leader Stephen Harper recently released his own long list of B.C. vows that includes re-establishing an army base on the West Coast and giving British Columbians more seats in Parliament. The special attention to B.C. voters reflects the view among many analysts that the winner of the Jan. 23 election will be decided in many B.C. ridings, which are seeing tight two- and three-way races. "What this is really doing is flattering British Columbians," said University of Victoria political scientist Norman Ruff. "It speaks to the special position of B.C. as the government breaker or government maker." The new Liberal plan doesn't promise a new army base, but does respond to the natural disaster concerns that played a role in Harper's vow to reverse the 1995 Liberal decision to shut B.C.'s only army base, which was located in Chilliwack. "More than any other place in Canada, B.C. communities are vulnerable to threats such as earthquakes, tsunamis, and forest fires. Greater Vancouver is susceptible to flooding if the Fraser River and its tributaries overflow," states the Liberal plan, which was provided to The Vancouver Sun. © Times Colonist (Victoria) 2006 |
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Skipper wrote:
wrote: You'll be pleased to know that the Liberals in Canada are now pressing, hard, to fund a... alt.politics. -- Skipper Ease up! No one tells you to take your 'boating adventures' to alt.fantasies. |
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