It depends whether the Bavaria was made for Europe or the US.

I found the build quality in European Bavarias to be low grade.

For example. Life-line terminations. Good swages in the
US, cheap loops and clamps on a Bavaria I sailed in Barecelona.

"Bjarke Christensen" (nej,
Don't know about the hull but to me Bavaria feels more well build than
Beneteau....

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Adrian Smith wrote:
"peter" wrote
Adrian Smith wrote:
What manufacturers should one avoid if any?

I think maybe Bavaria.

Speaking for myself I've never had problems on the three Bavaria's I've
sailed but I have a friend who had terrible problems with Opal the
British importer.

I tought they were all build on the same factory in Germany ??

Bjarke


"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
It depends whether the Bavaria was made for Europe or the US.

I found the build quality in European Bavarias to be low grade.

For example. Life-line terminations. Good swages in the
US, cheap loops and clamps on a Bavaria I sailed in Barecelona.

"Bjarke Christensen" (nej,
Don't know about the hull but to me Bavaria feels more well build than
Beneteau....

wrote in message

Adrian Smith wrote:
"peter" wrote
Adrian Smith wrote:
What manufacturers should one avoid if any?

I think maybe Bavaria.

Speaking for myself I've never had problems on the three Bavaria's I've
sailed but I have a friend who had terrible problems with Opal the
British importer.

Thats because your a fool.

What other brain dead retard would sign a newgroup like you do?

Get with it Gert you
dedumb****enfartenzootensnowinplowinbackwoddsdumbf uckinswedishloserwithoutaounceofbrintofartennoogen slackermofodipr****longwindenmother****er.

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Thats because your a fool.
That's because you're a fool.

I assume all Bavaria's are made in Germany.

This boat I sailed was a 34 or 35' boat. I can't recall the
exact model. It might have been a little bigger. It seemed
to be a fairly new boat that was immediately put in charter.
There were no scratches on the hull and the interior looked
showroom new.

I can offer no explanation other than I found poor lifelines
terminations in this European Bavaria I sailed. It was quite
shocking to see the wire bent in a loop and clamped with
such cheap clamps.

Given the German reputation for so many other products I
would think they could do better. Every lifeline was this way
so I assume it was not a repair but the construction standard.

There were nice swaged lifeline fittings on the US Bavaria I saw.
This was a bigger boat and my impression was that it was nice
but not what I would purchase.

Perhaps this difference was a function of the year the boat was
built, or the model, or perhaps the US brokers upgraded them
because any customer seeing poorly terminated lifelines would
have laughed and walked away thinking the rest of the boat was
built so cheaply. It gave me a very bad impression.

This Bavaria I sailed in Barcelona was paid for by my girlfriends
company, as was the whole trip. I asked the hired Captain about
the boat and he told me the reputation of the Bavaria yachts was
very poor and that it was below that of all the other major builders.
It was after this that I noticed the lifelines, and pointed them out
and he shrugged and said, "it is as I said."

It may be that a few things, easy to correct, can be found on
the boat and the overall quality might be better than supposed.

I would like to hear other examples of such poor construction
on these boats--not just general impressions.

The boat sailed ok. It was a light air day and I found the helm
somewhat neutral to steer. I would have preferred a bit more
weather helm for a better feel. To give a proper evaluation I'd
need to sail it in windier conditions. I thought the winches were
rather small, but this is typical of all production boats in this class.

"Bjarke Christensen" (nej,
I tought they were all build on the same factory in Germany ??

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote
It depends whether the Bavaria was made for Europe or the US.

I found the build quality in European Bavarias to be low grade.

For example. Life-line terminations. Good swages in the
US, cheap loops and clamps on a Bavaria I sailed in Barecelona.