"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:28:06 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:35:35 -0500, DSK wrote:


That's right, there are really so few different makes &
models of boats on the market nowadays.



That fit *my* wants and needs.......yes..............and they all have
I/O's.


If my Proline doesn't last until I die, I will have an outboard on my next
boat. Unless bassie and I get rich and I get this:

http://www.grandbanks.com/yachts/her...cl/gallery.cfm
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

Don't you have an outboard now?

I agree that an inboard or outboard is the way to go in salt water.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:44 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Dene" wrote in message
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I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've
attend
the Portland Boat Show.

Impressions.....

1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After
walking
through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as
suitable as
the
one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size.

Whew!

2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier
Bay
Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat.

Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My
wife
was
so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However,
the
new
30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k
less.
One
reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead
of
stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only
reason
to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size
berth.

The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo
diesels
in
it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal.
My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope
that
was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it
cracked
the lower drive unit.

I'll stick with metal.

I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid
outdrives.
You mean besides the fact that there's just a piece of black rubber
(that
must remain completely pliable and flex with the drives) between you
and the
bottom of the Atlantic?

Was that meant to inspire confidence in my boat?

That depends. Do you have muskrats by you? A damn muskrat nearly sunk my
dad's boat when it chewed a hole in that rubber housing.




That's one kind of muskrat fun, eh?

The fun was running out there with my pellet gun each morning trying to
shoot the muskrat. But they're amazingly quick, and I never was able to hit
him. My neighbor finally put an end to it with a 12-ga.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:44 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Dene" wrote in message
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I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time
I've
attend
the Portland Boat Show.

Impressions.....

1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After
walking
through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as
suitable as
the
one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size.

Whew!

2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier
Bay
Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat.

Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My
wife
was
so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However,
the
new
30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k
less.
One
reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck
instead of
stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The
only
reason
to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size
berth.

The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo
diesels
in
it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal.
My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope
that
was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it
cracked
the lower drive unit.

I'll stick with metal.

I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid
outdrives.
You mean besides the fact that there's just a piece of black rubber
(that
must remain completely pliable and flex with the drives) between you
and the
bottom of the Atlantic?

Was that meant to inspire confidence in my boat?

That depends. Do you have muskrats by you? A damn muskrat nearly sunk
my dad's boat when it chewed a hole in that rubber housing.




That's one kind of muskrat fun, eh?

The fun was running out there with my pellet gun each morning trying to
shoot the muskrat. But they're amazingly quick, and I never was able to
hit him. My neighbor finally put an end to it with a 12-ga.




We had them at our old marina before they put in new retaining walls. No
problem with them and no damage to our outdrives even though on of thier
holes was right behind our boat.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:07:11 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:44 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Dene" wrote in message
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I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've
attend
the Portland Boat Show.

Impressions.....

1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking
through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as
the
one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size.

Whew!

2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay
Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat.

Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife
was
so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the
new
30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less.
One
reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of
stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only
reason
to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth.

The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels
in
it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal.
My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope that
was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it cracked
the lower drive unit.

I'll stick with metal.

I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid
outdrives.
You mean besides the fact that there's just a piece of black rubber (that
must remain completely pliable and flex with the drives) between you and the
bottom of the Atlantic?


Was that meant to inspire confidence in my boat?
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

You store your boat on the hard between uses, and several of the deadly
reasons not to own an I/O apply less to you.

Absolutely! I escape only those reasons having to do with leaving the
outdrive in the water for extended periods of time!

BTW, I just put a couple of woodpecker pics on abpso. Trying to get those
guys to pose for the camera is a bear! These are crops, about one quarter
size of the original. It'll give an idea of what the D200 will do in the
hands of a beginning amateur.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:11:47 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:28:06 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:35:35 -0500, DSK wrote:


That's right, there are really so few different makes &
models of boats on the market nowadays.



That fit *my* wants and needs.......yes..............and they all have
I/O's.


If my Proline doesn't last until I die, I will have an outboard on my next
boat. Unless bassie and I get rich and I get this:

http://www.grandbanks.com/yachts/her...cl/gallery.cfm
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

Don't you have an outboard now?

I agree that an inboard or outboard is the way to go in salt water.


No, the 1997 Proline 21'er came with the 5.7L Mercruiser. The newer ones
are outboards, and I didn't know about all the reasons for not having an
outdrive when I bought this one.

Now that I'm a member of rec.boats, I've learned all this good stuff!
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:44 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:

"Dene" wrote in message
...

I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've
attend
the Portland Boat Show.

Impressions.....

1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After
walking
through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as
suitable as
the
one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size.

Whew!

2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier
Bay
Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat.

Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design.
My wife
was
so impressed that ended up going through it three times.
However, the
new
30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k
less.
One
reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck
instead of
stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only
reason
to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size
berth.

The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo
diesels
in
it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal.

My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a
rope that
was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it
cracked
the lower drive unit.

I'll stick with metal.

I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid
outdrives.

You mean besides the fact that there's just a piece of black rubber
(that
must remain completely pliable and flex with the drives) between you
and the
bottom of the Atlantic?

Was that meant to inspire confidence in my boat?


That depends. Do you have muskrats by you? A damn muskrat nearly sunk
my dad's boat when it chewed a hole in that rubber housing.




That's one kind of muskrat fun, eh?

Maybe it as lookin' for a little Muskrat Love aka Captain & Tenille

I was under the impression that the drives are metal but covered with a
composite material. No?

Butch
"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Dene" wrote in message
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I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've
attend
the Portland Boat Show.

Impressions.....

1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking
through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as
the
one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size.

Whew!

2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay
Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat.

Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife
was
so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the
new
30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less.
One
reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of
stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only
reason
to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth.

The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels
in
it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal.

My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope that
was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it cracked
the lower drive unit.

I'll stick with metal.



Discussion???

As I mentioned, the other boat that impressed us was the C-dory Tom Cat,
a
25 foot trailerable cruiser. Very roomy design. Built like a tank.
Well
suited for all weather boating and fishing. In a few years, when we do
the
Alaska inland passage, that will be the boat of choice for us.

The Glacier Bay 30 footer will work fine for the Great Loop.

Fun to dream!!!

The Glacier Bay 34 is a beautiful boat. It somehow manages to capture
that "yacht" feel in an outboard powered catamaran.

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:07:11 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:44 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Dene" wrote in message
...
I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've
attend
the Portland Boat Show.

Impressions.....

1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After
walking
through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as
suitable as
the
one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size.

Whew!

2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier
Bay
Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat.

Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My
wife
was
so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However,
the
new
30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k
less.
One
reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead
of
stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only
reason
to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size
berth.

The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo
diesels
in
it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal.
My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope
that
was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it
cracked
the lower drive unit.

I'll stick with metal.

I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid
outdrives.
You mean besides the fact that there's just a piece of black rubber
(that
must remain completely pliable and flex with the drives) between you
and the
bottom of the Atlantic?


Was that meant to inspire confidence in my boat?
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

You store your boat on the hard between uses, and several of the deadly
reasons not to own an I/O apply less to you.

Absolutely! I escape only those reasons having to do with leaving the
outdrive in the water for extended periods of time!

BTW, I just put a couple of woodpecker pics on abpso. Trying to get those
guys to pose for the camera is a bear! These are crops, about one quarter
size of the original. It'll give an idea of what the D200 will do in the
hands of a beginning amateur.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

We get them also with the identical setup you have....a wire cage with suet
inside.

Something managed to steal the whole damn set up........we had it hanging
near our kitchen window on the branch of a large bush that would not support
even the squirrels around here and no other way to get to it for land
creatures. I look around the whole yard lo

I don't know what it was, but it was smart, big (to take the whole cage and
food)........................and awful hungry.

I will buy another one this weekend and secure it a little bit better. ;-)

re the D200 You'd like this http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d200.htm

re the D-Dory...these guys ought to know something..
http://www.c-brats.com/

--
RichG manager, Carolina Skiff Owners Group on MSN
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:14:39 GMT, "RichG"
wrote:

re the D200 You'd like this http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d200.htm

re the D-Dory...these guys ought to know something..
http://www.c-brats.com/

He likes the D200 almost as much as I do!
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******