"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:
JimH wrote:
Based on the reported performance results of the last system you put
together I would appreciate your comments and opinions on this system
I plan
to put together with my son:

MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip)
Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version
2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram
256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card
Antec Performance TX640B Series Case
Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X
Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive
Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor
Windows XP Professional OEM

He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I
will also
add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns.

I can do this for around $2,000.

Any suggestions or comments?

PS (I know this was previously posted but I never received any
feedback
from you).


Jim, I don't really know much about the Athlon chips, other than
everyone says some of them are really fast and capable. If your kid is
going to do a lot of CAD work, I would contact the CAD publisher and
ask
if a dual processor CPU would be helpful, or, in fact *which*
processor(s) work best with the software. Same with the video card.
Some pieces work better than others for CAD.
Dual processors are helpful, as are fast video cards, IF you are doing
3d modeling, CAD-CAM interfacing, etc. For most 2d and 3d drafting, a
decently quick machine will do nicely.
The Plextor is the same one I have. It's fine. I would go for a 10,000
RPM "C" drive of 75 gigs for the OS and programs, and use that 300 gig
drive for storage. That's pretty much what I did.

I think your monitor choice is too small for CAD work. In fact, I
would
go for a 20 or 21" glass tube monitor. They're not that expensive any
more.
17" works fine. You're almost always zoomed into a specific small area.

Would you recommend LCD or CRT?

Definitely the LCD. The CRT flicker is hard on the eyes. and they
bigger screens (mine is a 21") take up a lot of desk space and are a pain
in the ass to move. By the biggest LCD you can afford ;-)





You must have a cheap CRT. Mine doesn't visibly flicker. But there's no
doubt the glass tubes take up a lot of real estate. And they still display
"better" than the LCDs.

The flicker doesn't have to be visible to still cause eye strain. Look at
the screen through a digital camera display, and you will see the flicker.

My 21" screen is over 20" wide and 20" deep

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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P. Fritz wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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P. Fritz wrote:
" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:
JimH wrote:
Based on the reported performance results of the last system you
put
together I would appreciate your comments and opinions on this
system I plan
to put together with my son:

MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip)
Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version
2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram
256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card
Antec Performance TX640B Series Case
Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X
Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive
Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor
Windows XP Professional OEM

He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I
will also
add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns.

I can do this for around $2,000.

Any suggestions or comments?

PS (I know this was previously posted but I never received any
feedback
from you).


Jim, I don't really know much about the Athlon chips, other than
everyone says some of them are really fast and capable. If your kid
is
going to do a lot of CAD work, I would contact the CAD publisher and
ask
if a dual processor CPU would be helpful, or, in fact *which*
processor(s) work best with the software. Same with the video card.
Some pieces work better than others for CAD.
Dual processors are helpful, as are fast video cards, IF you are
doing
3d modeling, CAD-CAM interfacing, etc. For most 2d and 3d drafting, a
decently quick machine will do nicely.
The Plextor is the same one I have. It's fine. I would go for a
10,000
RPM "C" drive of 75 gigs for the OS and programs, and use that 300
gig
drive for storage. That's pretty much what I did.

I think your monitor choice is too small for CAD work. In fact, I
would
go for a 20 or 21" glass tube monitor. They're not that expensive
any more.
17" works fine. You're almost always zoomed into a specific small
area.

Would you recommend LCD or CRT?
Definitely the LCD. The CRT flicker is hard on the eyes. and they
bigger screens (mine is a 21") take up a lot of desk space and are a
pain in the ass to move. By the biggest LCD you can afford ;-)


You must have a cheap CRT. Mine doesn't visibly flicker. But there's no
doubt the glass tubes take up a lot of real estate. And they still
display "better" than the LCDs.

The flicker doesn't have to be visible to still cause eye strain. Look
at the screen through a digital camera display, and you will see the
flicker.

My 21" screen is over 20" wide and 20" deep

I rarely look through my digital camera display to use my computer
monitor.

Either do I, but it shows the flicker going on. Even though you don't
"see" it, it is there and leads to fatigue for people that sit in front of
a screen all day

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Harry Krause wrote:
JimH wrote:
Based on the reported performance results of the last system you put
together I would appreciate your comments and opinions on this system I
plan
to put together with my son:

MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip)
Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version
2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram
256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card
Antec Performance TX640B Series Case
Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X
Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive
Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor
Windows XP Professional OEM

He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will
also
add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns.

I can do this for around $2,000.

Any suggestions or comments?

PS (I know this was previously posted but I never received any
feedback
from you).



Jim, I don't really know much about the Athlon chips, other than
everyone says some of them are really fast and capable. If your kid is
going to do a lot of CAD work, I would contact the CAD publisher and ask
if a dual processor CPU would be helpful, or, in fact *which*
processor(s) work best with the software. Same with the video card.
Some pieces work better than others for CAD.

Dual processors are helpful, as are fast video cards, IF you are doing
3d modeling, CAD-CAM interfacing, etc. For most 2d and 3d drafting, a
decently quick machine will do nicely.

The Plextor is the same one I have. It's fine. I would go for a 10,000
RPM "C" drive of 75 gigs for the OS and programs, and use that 300 gig
drive for storage. That's pretty much what I did.

I think your monitor choice is too small for CAD work. In fact, I would
go for a 20 or 21" glass tube monitor. They're not that expensive any
more.

17" works fine. You're almost always zoomed into a specific small area.


Would you recommend LCD or CRT?

I've got a Viewsonic CRT, and have no problem using it. I've also got
an 15" LCD on another computer that I don't use much for drawing, and I
find that it's more tiring than the crt, to be honest. I find that with
the LCD screen you have to be pretty much sittting perpendicular to it
to see correctly, and with the crt you can be at an angle, which is
fine with me, because a lot of the time I'm looking over paper copies
of drawings while also looking at drawings on screen.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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You must have a cheap CRT. Mine doesn't visibly flicker. But there's no
doubt the glass tubes take up a lot of real estate. And they still display
"better" than the LCDs.


What is the resolution of a good quality CRT screen vs a good quality LCD?

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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You must have a cheap CRT. Mine doesn't visibly flicker. But there's no
doubt the glass tubes take up a lot of real estate. And they still
display "better" than the LCDs.


What is the resolution of a good quality CRT screen vs a good quality LCD?

Eisboch


CRT - 2048 by 1536 maximum resolution at 70-Hz refresh rate, .24~.27 stripe
pitch.

I don't know about LCD's.

Harry Krause wrote:


You must have a cheap CRT. Mine doesn't visibly flicker. But there's no
doubt the glass tubes take up a lot of real estate. And they still
display "better" than the LCDs.

I've read that some see it and some don't In either case, it is
supposed to be hard on the eyes and cause fatigue.

My CRTs are gone but I can't say I noticed a difference. If CRTs are
better than LCDs, it must be very close. I haven't compared them side
by side but my ViewSonic LCD and my Sony notebook displays seem very
crisp. Good enough for me.

Dan

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:45:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Netsock wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:20:54 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT
com wrote:

[snip]

Asking for computer feedback from Harry?

No flame, but Harry has admitted being behind somewhat computer
illiterate in recent years. I read he just recently got his first
digital camera, about a year ago.

Just curious.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/


You are misinformed and you read wrong.

No, sorry. You have in fact stated you are not that "computer" savvy
in the past. And I may be wrong about the timeline, but I do remember
when you announced to the group about getting your first digital
camera...and it was well passed the time it was common for people to
have one.

Ever get that time set on that pesky GPS yet Harry?

I know it, and you know it...that's all that counts.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:59:04 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:


Netsock,
Harry recommendation to follow up with someone in the CAD design
business was a perfect recommendation.

That's just common sense...it doesn't say anything about his
experience or knowledge.

I was using CAD software in the late '80s, and it was then known that
you need lots of processing power, and gulps of memory to run the huge
page files.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

Netsock wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:59:04 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:


Netsock,
Harry recommendation to follow up with someone in the CAD design
business was a perfect recommendation.

That's just common sense...it doesn't say anything about his
experience or knowledge.

I was using CAD software in the late '80s, and it was then known that
you need lots of processing power, and gulps of memory to run the huge
page files.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/
Netsock,

You really don't have anything to gain by arguing with Harry, that is
exactly what he wants and his reason from coming to rec.boats.

--
Reggie
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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Netsock wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:59:04 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:


Netsock,
Harry recommendation to follow up with someone in the CAD design
business was a perfect recommendation.

That's just common sense...it doesn't say anything about his
experience or knowledge.

I was using CAD software in the late '80s, and it was then known that
you need lots of processing power, and gulps of memory to run the huge
page files.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/
Netsock,

You really don't have anything to gain by arguing with Harry, that is
exactly what he wants and his reason from coming to rec.boats.

Reggie, our newsgroup know it all Harry doesn't argue with Netsock for some
reason. Netsock has alluded to outing Harry on numerous occasions and each
time this occurs Harry slinks away.