A corner of my 18' cc o/b boat got knocked off. It's at a spot aft where
the gunnel, transom, and flat top side of the gunnel all come together. The
spot is approx 4" diameter.

I'm fixing to stick some auto bondo or similar on it and then mold/shape for
the right contour.

The question is how to be able to smooth it on with minimum surface
roughness. There used to be a number of tricks for doing that, such as a
paint stirrer paddle kept wet by dipping in water. Is this still the
easiest way to be able to soft mold the patch and get it close to where it
needs to be before I start shaping when dry?

If I need to, I can finish it with glazing putty, before painting.

RB wrote:
A corner of my 18' cc o/b boat got knocked off. It's at a spot aft where
the gunnel, transom, and flat top side of the gunnel all come together. The
spot is approx 4" diameter.

I'm fixing to stick some auto bondo or similar on it and then mold/shape for
the right contour.


It can be difficult to get that stuff to stick, but it's way
cheaper than epoxy fillers.

The question is how to be able to smooth it on with minimum surface
roughness. There used to be a number of tricks for doing that, such as a
paint stirrer paddle kept wet by dipping in water. Is this still the
easiest way to be able to soft mold the patch and get it close to where it
needs to be before I start shaping when dry?

No, use a modern molded PVC putty knife. Slipperier than a
wet stirrer and has a good chisel point, also wider ones can
be had.

Another trick is to use wax paper, folded along the desired
corner. Tends to trap bubbles, so get them all out... and
don't wrinkle it. I have been using painter's drop-cloth
plastic sheeting for molding fiberglass the past year, works
great and leaves a perfect finish. If it wrinkles, you can
pull it flat again, and it's easy to chase out all the
bubbles. But it doesn't do corners well.

Fair Skies
Doug King

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:12:06 -0600, "RB"
wrote:

A corner of my 18' cc o/b boat got knocked off. It's at a spot aft where
the gunnel, transom, and flat top side of the gunnel all come together.
The
spot is approx 4" diameter.

I'm fixing to stick some auto bondo or similar on it and then mold/shape
for
the right contour.

it wont stick or last for any length of time. auto bondo is entirely
different with different resins and catalysts. what you want is
marine tex. with proper preparation, it will last for a long time.

The question is how to be able to smooth it on with minimum surface
roughness. There used to be a number of tricks for doing that, such as a
paint stirrer paddle kept wet by dipping in water. Is this still the
easiest way to be able to soft mold the patch and get it close to where it
needs to be before I start shaping when dry?

go to walmart and get a set of cheap spreaders for 98 cents. wipe
them with a rag that has acetone applied to it - you can use unscented
nail polish remover also between applications...

If I need to, I can finish it with glazing putty, before painting.

over fill with marine tex, sand to finish smoothness then paint. no
putty needed.


A side question regarding MarineTex.....can gelcoat be applied over it?

OK. Marine Tex it is. Thanks.

" JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:12:06 -0600, "RB"
wrote:

A corner of my 18' cc o/b boat got knocked off. It's at a spot aft where
the gunnel, transom, and flat top side of the gunnel all come together.
The
spot is approx 4" diameter.

I'm fixing to stick some auto bondo or similar on it and then mold/shape
for
the right contour.

it wont stick or last for any length of time. auto bondo is entirely
different with different resins and catalysts. what you want is
marine tex. with proper preparation, it will last for a long time.

The question is how to be able to smooth it on with minimum surface
roughness. There used to be a number of tricks for doing that, such as a
paint stirrer paddle kept wet by dipping in water. Is this still the
easiest way to be able to soft mold the patch and get it close to where
it
needs to be before I start shaping when dry?

go to walmart and get a set of cheap spreaders for 98 cents. wipe
them with a rag that has acetone applied to it - you can use unscented
nail polish remover also between applications...

If I need to, I can finish it with glazing putty, before painting.

over fill with marine tex, sand to finish smoothness then paint. no
putty needed.


A side question regarding MarineTex.....can gelcoat be applied over it?


Bump...........what say you Tom?

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:26:37 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT
com wrote:


" JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote in message
...

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:12:06 -0600, "RB"
wrote:

A corner of my 18' cc o/b boat got knocked off. It's at a spot aft
where
the gunnel, transom, and flat top side of the gunnel all come together.
The
spot is approx 4" diameter.

I'm fixing to stick some auto bondo or similar on it and then
mold/shape
for
the right contour.

it wont stick or last for any length of time. auto bondo is entirely
different with different resins and catalysts. what you want is
marine tex. with proper preparation, it will last for a long time.

The question is how to be able to smooth it on with minimum surface
roughness. There used to be a number of tricks for doing that, such as
a
paint stirrer paddle kept wet by dipping in water. Is this still the
easiest way to be able to soft mold the patch and get it close to where
it
needs to be before I start shaping when dry?

go to walmart and get a set of cheap spreaders for 98 cents. wipe
them with a rag that has acetone applied to it - you can use unscented
nail polish remover also between applications...

If I need to, I can finish it with glazing putty, before painting.

over fill with marine tex, sand to finish smoothness then paint. no
putty needed.

A side question regarding MarineTex.....can gelcoat be applied over it?

Bump...........what say you Tom?

you apply the gel coat over the paint so why not?

No, I am planning to apply gel coat over the MarineTex.........no painting.

As I can apply it over fiberglass I would guess this will be OK....right?

RB wrote:
A corner of my 18' cc o/b boat got knocked off. It's at a spot aft where
the gunnel, transom, and flat top side of the gunnel all come together. The
spot is approx 4" diameter.

I'm fixing to stick some auto bondo or similar on it and then mold/shape for
the right contour.

The question is how to be able to smooth it on with minimum surface
roughness. There used to be a number of tricks for doing that, such as a
paint stirrer paddle kept wet by dipping in water. Is this still the
easiest way to be able to soft mold the patch and get it close to where it
needs to be before I start shaping when dry?

If I need to, I can finish it with glazing putty, before painting.



Having read the other answers; it seems you're not going to re-glass the
area just cosmetically fill the hole & then reshape & finish??? I guess
you're happy there is no structural issue??? The deck to hull joint in
way of the transom &/or outboard well is fairly highly stressed??? Anyway,

(i) Use a polyester filler, it will adhere to freshly ground clean & dry
polyester fibreglass OK. The filler has little real strength & if the
area is structurally stressed & flexed it will crack etc.

(ii) Experiment a little so you get the amount of catalyst just right,
so it takes about 15 minutes before the filler starts to "gel" (you need
to experiment a little because the amounts of micro balloon fillers in
the resin can vary even from batch to batch & of course you need to
adapt to your particular temps humidity etc)

(iii) Do the filling in several stages, the first to well below the
final level needed & each time let the filler just start to gel then
shape it with a u profile surfoam blade (just hand hold it without the
blade holder it's light & easy to manipulate, because the filler is the
consistency of cheese or soap & will easily grate off in slices, if it
doesn't you've let it cure too long & no amount of "sanding" will ever
get a proper shape, so grind & re-fill) long smooth cross hatched
strokes & look along the boat, corner etc to get it right.

(iv) Once you have the filling & surfoam shaping up nearly to the final
level, take a plastic filler applicator & cut small but deep "V"s along
one edge (e.g.1/2" deep on a 1/4" base say 3/4" apart). Then apply a
coat of filler & carefully scrape it off with the V'd applicator. This
should leave you with nice parallel little ridges of filler. (the pros
put a bit of tint in the ridges so they're a different colour to the
other filler)

(v) Once the ridges have gelled & cured a bit so they're strong enough
not just to crumble, use a long board to sand in the "final" shape. Even
though the ridges are relatively hard compared to the cheese of (iii) it
shapes & sands very quickly & easily because you're only sanding skinny
ridges.

(vi) Once you're happy the shape is perfect then you can use a non V'd
applicator to fill in between the ridges, then after it's cured (unlike
the surfoam you can't sand filler if it's too soft, just clogs) start
sanding with an orbital sander (no courser than 80 grit) & here's the
trick, sand till you just start to uncover the tops of the final shaped
ridges & no further (that's why the pros use tint, they can see it
"through" the overlaying filler as they sand down).

(vii) After you have that then start surface finishing with filler
scraped into the 80 grips marks sanded off with say 120 then again
scrape filler hard over the surface into the swirl marks & sand till all
imperfections are gone.

(viii) If you want to use gelcoat to refinish then put it directly onto
the filler with that sanded surface, never ever try to put gel coat over
a primer or "paint" (where does he get this stuff???:-))

(ix) The gel coat will not harden on the outer surface (gelcoat has no
wax in it & you shouldn't ever add any either, but once you've put it on
& it's just started to gel cover it with cling wrap or even paint on PVA
water soluble release agent (this does the same as the wax & seals the
gelcoat from the air so it can cure full depth.

(x) Peel off the cling & sand with ever finer wet & dry, lots & lots of
water & always with a little sanding block (i.e. do not sand it with
hand held wet & dry, you will not get a good shine at the end)

(xi) Machine with cutting compound & if the colour of the gelcoat is a
good match you'll be proud of it.

K

Saw a trick recently that suggested using the edge of a new single edge
razor blade to smooth along the edges of a gelcoat repair. Has a nice clean
edge and is just flexible enough to make a perfect transition between the
original surface and the filler. Just use it at an angle like a putty
knife.

Butch
"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
RB wrote:
A corner of my 18' cc o/b boat got knocked off. It's at a spot aft where
the gunnel, transom, and flat top side of the gunnel all come together.
The spot is approx 4" diameter.

I'm fixing to stick some auto bondo or similar on it and then mold/shape
for the right contour.

The question is how to be able to smooth it on with minimum surface
roughness. There used to be a number of tricks for doing that, such as a
paint stirrer paddle kept wet by dipping in water. Is this still the
easiest way to be able to soft mold the patch and get it close to where
it needs to be before I start shaping when dry?

If I need to, I can finish it with glazing putty, before painting.

Having read the other answers; it seems you're not going to re-glass the
area just cosmetically fill the hole & then reshape & finish??? I guess
you're happy there is no structural issue??? The deck to hull joint in way
of the transom &/or outboard well is fairly highly stressed??? Anyway,

(i) Use a polyester filler, it will adhere to freshly ground clean & dry
polyester fibreglass OK. The filler has little real strength & if the area
is structurally stressed & flexed it will crack etc.

(ii) Experiment a little so you get the amount of catalyst just right, so
it takes about 15 minutes before the filler starts to "gel" (you need to
experiment a little because the amounts of micro balloon fillers in the
resin can vary even from batch to batch & of course you need to adapt to
your particular temps humidity etc)

(iii) Do the filling in several stages, the first to well below the final
level needed & each time let the filler just start to gel then shape it
with a u profile surfoam blade (just hand hold it without the blade holder
it's light & easy to manipulate, because the filler is the consistency of
cheese or soap & will easily grate off in slices, if it doesn't you've let
it cure too long & no amount of "sanding" will ever get a proper shape, so
grind & re-fill) long smooth cross hatched strokes & look along the boat,
corner etc to get it right.

(iv) Once you have the filling & surfoam shaping up nearly to the final
level, take a plastic filler applicator & cut small but deep "V"s along
one edge (e.g.1/2" deep on a 1/4" base say 3/4" apart). Then apply a coat
of filler & carefully scrape it off with the V'd applicator. This should
leave you with nice parallel little ridges of filler. (the pros put a bit
of tint in the ridges so they're a different colour to the other filler)

(v) Once the ridges have gelled & cured a bit so they're strong enough not
just to crumble, use a long board to sand in the "final" shape. Even
though the ridges are relatively hard compared to the cheese of (iii) it
shapes & sands very quickly & easily because you're only sanding skinny
ridges.

(vi) Once you're happy the shape is perfect then you can use a non V'd
applicator to fill in between the ridges, then after it's cured (unlike
the surfoam you can't sand filler if it's too soft, just clogs) start
sanding with an orbital sander (no courser than 80 grit) & here's the
trick, sand till you just start to uncover the tops of the final shaped
ridges & no further (that's why the pros use tint, they can see it
"through" the overlaying filler as they sand down).

(vii) After you have that then start surface finishing with filler scraped
into the 80 grips marks sanded off with say 120 then again scrape filler
hard over the surface into the swirl marks & sand till all imperfections
are gone.

(viii) If you want to use gelcoat to refinish then put it directly onto
the filler with that sanded surface, never ever try to put gel coat over a
primer or "paint" (where does he get this stuff???:-))

(ix) The gel coat will not harden on the outer surface (gelcoat has no wax
in it & you shouldn't ever add any either, but once you've put it on &
it's just started to gel cover it with cling wrap or even paint on PVA
water soluble release agent (this does the same as the wax & seals the
gelcoat from the air so it can cure full depth.

(x) Peel off the cling & sand with ever finer wet & dry, lots & lots of
water & always with a little sanding block (i.e. do not sand it with hand
held wet & dry, you will not get a good shine at the end)

(xi) Machine with cutting compound & if the colour of the gelcoat is a
good match you'll be proud of it.

K

Butch Davis wrote:
Saw a trick recently that suggested using the edge of a new single edge
razor blade to smooth along the edges of a gelcoat repair. Has a nice clean
edge and is just flexible enough to make a perfect transition between the
original surface and the filler. Just use it at an angle like a putty
knife.

Butch

Thanks Butch I'll pass it on.

Another it's not exactly "new" but have been seeing lots of people
glassing upside down hull surfaces lately, always causes a worry:-) but
they tack plastic sheet to a table then lay the glass on it & wet it
out, lift the plastic & take to the hull, then they carefully tape the
plastic to the bottom of the hull & roll the glass/resin out through the
plastic sheet (i.e.with the plastic still there).

Once the laminate is completed they slowly peel the plastic off, & yes
it does pick up small areas of glass but once off a quick roll out gives
a perfect job, upside down, not overly resin rich, no drips, no waste,
no mess.

Thanks again for your tip.

K


"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

RB wrote:

A corner of my 18' cc o/b boat got knocked off. It's at a spot aft where
the gunnel, transom, and flat top side of the gunnel all come together.
The spot is approx 4" diameter.

I'm fixing to stick some auto bondo or similar on it and then mold/shape
for the right contour.

The question is how to be able to smooth it on with minimum surface
roughness. There used to be a number of tricks for doing that, such as a
paint stirrer paddle kept wet by dipping in water. Is this still the
easiest way to be able to soft mold the patch and get it close to where
it needs to be before I start shaping when dry?

If I need to, I can finish it with glazing putty, before painting.

Having read the other answers; it seems you're not going to re-glass the
area just cosmetically fill the hole & then reshape & finish??? I guess
you're happy there is no structural issue??? The deck to hull joint in way
of the transom &/or outboard well is fairly highly stressed??? Anyway,

(i) Use a polyester filler, it will adhere to freshly ground clean & dry
polyester fibreglass OK. The filler has little real strength & if the area
is structurally stressed & flexed it will crack etc.

(ii) Experiment a little so you get the amount of catalyst just right, so
it takes about 15 minutes before the filler starts to "gel" (you need to
experiment a little because the amounts of micro balloon fillers in the
resin can vary even from batch to batch & of course you need to adapt to
your particular temps humidity etc)

(iii) Do the filling in several stages, the first to well below the final
level needed & each time let the filler just start to gel then shape it
with a u profile surfoam blade (just hand hold it without the blade holder
it's light & easy to manipulate, because the filler is the consistency of
cheese or soap & will easily grate off in slices, if it doesn't you've let
it cure too long & no amount of "sanding" will ever get a proper shape, so
grind & re-fill) long smooth cross hatched strokes & look along the boat,
corner etc to get it right.

(iv) Once you have the filling & surfoam shaping up nearly to the final
level, take a plastic filler applicator & cut small but deep "V"s along
one edge (e.g.1/2" deep on a 1/4" base say 3/4" apart). Then apply a coat
of filler & carefully scrape it off with the V'd applicator. This should
leave you with nice parallel little ridges of filler. (the pros put a bit
of tint in the ridges so they're a different colour to the other filler)

(v) Once the ridges have gelled & cured a bit so they're strong enough not
just to crumble, use a long board to sand in the "final" shape. Even
though the ridges are relatively hard compared to the cheese of (iii) it
shapes & sands very quickly & easily because you're only sanding skinny
ridges.

(vi) Once you're happy the shape is perfect then you can use a non V'd
applicator to fill in between the ridges, then after it's cured (unlike
the surfoam you can't sand filler if it's too soft, just clogs) start
sanding with an orbital sander (no courser than 80 grit) & here's the
trick, sand till you just start to uncover the tops of the final shaped
ridges & no further (that's why the pros use tint, they can see it
"through" the overlaying filler as they sand down).

(vii) After you have that then start surface finishing with filler scraped
into the 80 grips marks sanded off with say 120 then again scrape filler
hard over the surface into the swirl marks & sand till all imperfections
are gone.

(viii) If you want to use gelcoat to refinish then put it directly onto
the filler with that sanded surface, never ever try to put gel coat over a
primer or "paint" (where does he get this stuff???:-))

(ix) The gel coat will not harden on the outer surface (gelcoat has no wax
in it & you shouldn't ever add any either, but once you've put it on &
it's just started to gel cover it with cling wrap or even paint on PVA
water soluble release agent (this does the same as the wax & seals the
gelcoat from the air so it can cure full depth.

(x) Peel off the cling & sand with ever finer wet & dry, lots & lots of
water & always with a little sanding block (i.e. do not sand it with hand
held wet & dry, you will not get a good shine at the end)

(xi) Machine with cutting compound & if the colour of the gelcoat is a
good match you'll be proud of it.

K