"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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as to catch/release, it is almost never done properly hook set and
retrieval is never done properly and while it sounds good c/r hurts
more fish than it saves.

Proper "Catch and release hurts more fish than it saves?" Are you sure you
phrased that correctly? Afterall, the vast majority of fish caught and
released live to be fooled again.


it is really the fault of the quote pros end
quote who can't properly handle a fish and dont care.

the operation went well, i am very tired and can't do much. i was
tired of sitting around tv sucks and i netflix is slower than
molasses. i have to do everything left handed.


Here's to wishing you a speedy recovery! (because I'm sick of reading
sentences without the proper capitalization of words at the beginning of
sentences) ;-)

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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as to catch/release, it is almost never done properly hook set and
retrieval is never done properly and while it sounds good c/r hurts
more fish than it saves.

Proper "Catch and release hurts more fish than it saves?" Are you sure you
phrased that correctly? Afterall, the vast majority of fish caught and
released live to be fooled again.

You should know better than to say something as statistically outrageous as
that. Let's focus on red snapper, for instance. What percentage of them are
tagged or marked in some way, so they can be identified later?

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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as to catch/release, it is almost never done properly hook set and
retrieval is never done properly and while it sounds good c/r hurts
more fish than it saves.

Proper "Catch and release hurts more fish than it saves?" Are you sure
you phrased that correctly? Afterall, the vast majority of fish caught
and released live to be fooled again.

You should know better than to say something as statistically outrageous
as that. Let's focus on red snapper, for instance. What percentage of them
are tagged or marked in some way, so they can be identified later?

Go on floridasportsman.com fishing forums and send an IM to a member named
C. undecimalis (Alexis Trotter) if you think I'm wrong. She lives in St.
Pete, works for FWC, and studies mortality rates of c/r snook.

Here's what her study showed:


General Catch and Release Mortality:
Estimated at 2.13%.
Determined in a controlled study in which 470 common snook, between 205 and
1120 mm TL (8.1" to 44.1"), were caught and held in net pens for set amount
of times.
All were held for at least 48 hours, 20.4% were held for 96 hours, 30.8%
were held for 120 hours, 3.2% were held for 288 hours.
All of the fish that died, 10 of them (or 2.13%), died within 24 hours of
capture. Terminal gear type, temperature, and fish length has no significant
effects on mortality.
The only variable that significantly effected survival was hook location. 5
of the 10 fish died after being hooked in the mouth, 4 after being hooked in
the throat or stomach, and 1 was foul-hooked.
24 snook were hooked in the throat or stomach. Of these, 12 had the hooks
removed and 12 had just the leader cut and the hook left in place. The 4
snook that died from being hooked in the throat or stomach were all fish
that had had the hook removed.

2.13% catch and release mortality is a very low value and over 90% of all
snook that are caught are released. This all seems like a good thing (and it
is), but it can become scary to a biologist or fisheries manager when you
consider the numbers. For instance:
In 2001, it was estimated that about 1,800,000 snook were caught statewide
and about 70,000 were harvested. About 1,730,000 were released. 2.14% of
that, or 36,849 snook, died from catch and release mortality. Almost 35% of
total measurable mortality. Deaths from poaching and natural mortality (cold
kills, red tide kills, etc) are hard to determine.

How to reduce catch and release mortality:
Reduce fight time by using heavy enough gear for the size of fish being
targeted.
Circle hooks are never a bad thing.
Crimp barbs on hooks.
If possible, leave the snook in the water when de-hooking.
If you have to take it out of the water, use wet hands or wet cotton gloves
and support it's belly.
Never hold a snook, particularly a large one, by it's lower jaw. This can
damage the isthmus (group of muscles and tendons that attaches the jaw to
the body and is responsible for the gulping/sucking feeding movements).
When reviving, hold the snook facing into the current and only move it in a
forward direction.

Sorry that was so long, but hope it helps. Let me know if I didn't explain
something very well or if there are any other questions.

Alexis



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So as I said: "the vast majority of fish caught and released live to be
fooled again."

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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as to catch/release, it is almost never done properly hook set and
retrieval is never done properly and while it sounds good c/r hurts
more fish than it saves.

Proper "Catch and release hurts more fish than it saves?" Are you sure
you phrased that correctly? Afterall, the vast majority of fish caught
and released live to be fooled again.

You should know better than to say something as statistically outrageous
as that. Let's focus on red snapper, for instance. What percentage of
them are tagged or marked in some way, so they can be identified later?

Go on floridasportsman.com fishing forums and send an IM to a member named
C. undecimalis (Alexis Trotter) if you think I'm wrong. She lives in St.
Pete, works for FWC, and studies mortality rates of c/r snook.

Here's what her study showed:


General Catch and Release Mortality:
Estimated at 2.13%.

It's an interesting study, but it only applies to snook placed in a holding
tank after being caught. How tough is a snook? My only frame of reference
would be fresh water fish at the moment. If I release a weakened smallmouth
bass in a lake where there are no pike around, it's got a better chance of
survival than if there ARE pike, which will spot a crippled fish and turn it
into dinner very quickly. If I release a weakened pike (and it's pretty hard
to do that to a pike), the fish has sharp enough fins & gill covers that not
much will attack it while it's getting its wits about it again.

You can't point to one study and say it's conclusive about all fish.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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as to catch/release, it is almost never done properly hook set and
retrieval is never done properly and while it sounds good c/r hurts
more fish than it saves.

Proper "Catch and release hurts more fish than it saves?" Are you sure
you phrased that correctly? Afterall, the vast majority of fish
caught and released live to be fooled again.

You should know better than to say something as statistically outrageous
as that. Let's focus on red snapper, for instance. What percentage of
them are tagged or marked in some way, so they can be identified later?

Go on floridasportsman.com fishing forums and send an IM to a member
named C. undecimalis (Alexis Trotter) if you think I'm wrong. She lives
in St. Pete, works for FWC, and studies mortality rates of c/r snook.

Here's what her study showed:


General Catch and Release Mortality:
Estimated at 2.13%.

It's an interesting study, but it only applies to snook placed in a
holding tank after being caught. How tough is a snook?

They're like a bass...on steroids. But they're actually pretty fragile.
You're supposed to handle them with wet hands...and never hold up the really
big ones with a lip-gripper. It's better to support the belly if you're
holding them up for a picture.

They're also extremely sensitive to cooler water temps. Anything below 57 F
is bad news for snook.




My only frame of reference would be fresh water fish at the moment. If I
release a weakened smallmouth bass in a lake where there are no pike
around, it's got a better chance of survival than if there ARE pike, which
will spot a crippled fish and turn it into dinner very quickly. If I
release a weakened pike (and it's pretty hard to do that to a pike), the
fish has sharp enough fins & gill covers that not much will attack it while
it's getting its wits about it again.

You can't point to one study and say it's conclusive about all fish.

No, you're correct. In fact, the chance of survival for a snook depends
greatly upon where you catch him. If you drag him out of the mangroves, or
out from under a dock, he'll probably live...since a snook's natural
predators (dolphin and sharks) can't get to him there. If you pull him away
from a bridge or wreck that flipper is feeding around, he's toast when you
throw him back in.

NYOB and Doug,

I think Tom left a comma out while typing with one hand.

I think he meant to say: as to catch/release, it is almost never done
properly hook set and retrieval is never done properly and while it sounds
good, c/r hurts
more fish than it saves.

I read this to mean, that of those fish who are caught and released more
than 50% of the fish die anyway.

I have no idea if this is accurate, but what I have read the death rate
among catch and release is very high, even with barbless and circle hooks.



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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news
as to catch/release, it is almost never done properly hook set and
retrieval is never done properly and while it sounds good c/r hurts
more fish than it saves.

Proper "Catch and release hurts more fish than it saves?" Are you sure you
phrased that correctly? Afterall, the vast majority of fish caught and
released live to be fooled again.


it is really the fault of the quote pros end
quote who can't properly handle a fish and dont care.

the operation went well, i am very tired and can't do much. i was
tired of sitting around tv sucks and i netflix is slower than
molasses. i have to do everything left handed.


Here's to wishing you a speedy recovery! (because I'm sick of reading
sentences without the proper capitalization of words at the beginning of
sentences) ;-)