"DSK" wrote in message
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Of course, by naming specific gov't programs and pretending that this is
the only 'benefit' that the gov't offers, you can pretend it's true.


Fred Dehl wrote:
Fine. Name some entitlement programs that cut checks to the wealthy.


Is a gov't benefit *solely* a matter of handing out money?

Nope. Maintaining infrastructure, public transit, police, firefighters, the
military, etc. are all benefits enjoyed equally by all, but financed
primarily by the rich.




How many millionaires receive medicaid, welfare, etc?

So, by your own theory, getting medicaid & welfare is "better" than the
life of a millionaire?


No. Why are you changing the subject?

I'm not changing the subject at all, which was benefits versus pay-in.'

The subject is: Benefits "from the government" vs. "pay-in to the
goverment".





.... You claimed that the poor are "subsidizing" the rich.

If they are paying more in taxes than they are gaining in benefit, then
that is exactly what is happening.



.... The poor receive government checks financed by the rich.

Of course, in reality, only a small percent do so; and (also "of course")
these checks are financed by *all* taxpayers not just 'the rich.'

Not a small percentage...especially relative to the number of rich folks who
receive government checks. The bottom 20% receive at least some form of
government hand-out. 20% of nearly 300 million is not a small number.




Meanwhile, the rich receive the lion's share of luxury consumer goods,

Which they buy.

medical care,

Which they pay for.

desirable real estate,

Which the government plays no role in.

etc etc
etc.

etc, etc, etc...

Is a gov't benefit *solely* a matter of handing out money?


NOYB wrote:
Nope. Maintaining infrastructure, public transit, police, firefighters, the
military, etc. are all benefits enjoyed equally by all, but financed
primarily by the rich.


Very good. I can see the little light bulb over your head
has clicked on.

The system is indeed financed primarily by the rich.

As I said, they gain the most benefit from the system, they
live longer, better, in greater luxury, more leisure, etc
etc etc.

Should the poor pay equally for a system that they have a
smaller share of?

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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Is a gov't benefit *solely* a matter of handing out money?


NOYB wrote:
Nope. Maintaining infrastructure, public transit, police, firefighters,
the military, etc. are all benefits enjoyed equally by all, but financed
primarily by the rich.


Very good. I can see the little light bulb over your head has clicked on.

The system is indeed financed primarily by the rich.

As I said, they gain the most benefit from the system, they live longer,
better, in greater luxury, more leisure, etc etc etc.

Should the poor pay equally for a system that they have a smaller share
of?


Do poor people use a smaller share of the subway car? Or the bus seat? Do
they use a smaller share of the freedom granted by the fighting men in our
military? Are they less flammable, or bulletproof, and as such don't need
the same protections given to them by firefighters and police officers?

What part of the government-funded services do they use less of?

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
...
Is a gov't benefit *solely* a matter of handing out money?


NOYB wrote:
Nope. Maintaining infrastructure, public transit, police, firefighters,
the military, etc. are all benefits enjoyed equally by all, but financed
primarily by the rich.


Very good. I can see the little light bulb over your head has clicked on.

The system is indeed financed primarily by the rich.

As I said, they gain the most benefit from the system, they live longer,
better, in greater luxury, more leisure, etc etc etc.

Should the poor pay equally for a system that they have a smaller share
of?


Do poor people use a smaller share of the subway car? Or the bus seat?
Do they use a smaller share of the freedom granted by the fighting men in
our military? Are they less flammable, or bulletproof, and as such don't
need the same protections given to them by firefighters and police
officers?

What part of the government-funded services do they use less of?

Since when is the same percentage of income payed in taxes paying
"equally" ?

15% of $30,000 and 15% of $300,000 is not EQUA:L

Should the poor pay equally for a system that they have a smaller share
of?



NOYB wrote:
Do poor people use a smaller share of the subway car? Or the bus seat?

Would the rich like it more if the poor crowded onto our
expensive public roads & highways in lo-dollar clunkers &
motorbikes? And let's not forget that public transport
services the wealthier sections of the wealthier metropolii,
also.... I guess it's mostly poor people riding the DC Metro
in from Fairfax?


.... Do
they use a smaller share of the freedom granted by the fighting men in our
military?

Actually, they do. Freedom to do many things is useless if
you can't afford them. And they can't afford as good lawyers
as rich people.



... Are they less flammable, or bulletproof, and as such don't need
the same protections given to them by firefighters and police officers?


No, but they certainly have more valuable property protected
by firefighters & policemen.


What part of the government-funded services do they use less of?


The SEC, FAA, DoI, for starters.

Thanks NOBBY, you've helped prove my point admirably.