NOYB wrote:
The bottom 40% earn 10.4% of the income, but pay only 7.7% of the taxes.


That's TERRIBLE!
Those lazy SLACKERS!!

Those damn worthless poor people are stealing the bread out
of the mouths of millionaires!

The top 40% earn 77.9% of the income, but pay 81.6% of the taxes.


It should be a one-to-one correlation. In other words, if a certain segment
earns 77.9% of the income, they should pay 77.9% of the taxes.


I wouldn't disagree with that.

OTOH A progressive income tax is fair, if you accept the
premises:
1-Food, shelter, & clothing, the very basics of life, cost a
certain amount and therefor a higher percentage of poor
people's income devoted to them.
2- The richer a person is, the more benefits he gains from
our social/economic/legal network and thus is obligated to
offer more to support it.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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2- The richer a person is, the more benefits he gains from our
social/economic/legal network and thus is obligated to offer more to
support it.

You keep repeating this inaccuracy. As Fred pointed out, the poor receive
the lion's share of government entitlements.

How many millionaires receive medicaid, welfare, etc? How many utilize the
public transit system? How many bilk the hospitals out of their fees, and
let somebody else's insurance cover the shortage?

2- The richer a person is, the more benefits he gains from our
social/economic/legal network and thus is obligated to offer more to
support it.


NOYB wrote:
You keep repeating this inaccuracy.

It's not inaccurate at all.

Rich people live longer & better than poor people. They have
nicer houses, cars, vacations, etc etc etc.


.... As Fred pointed out, the poor receive
the lion's share of government entitlements.

Actually, that's wrong too. Of course, by naming specific
gov't programs and pretending that this is the only
'benefit' that the gov't offers, you can pretend it's true.



How many millionaires receive medicaid, welfare, etc?

So, by your own theory, getting medicaid & welfare is
"better" than the life of a millionaire?

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...
2- The richer a person is, the more benefits he gains from our
social/economic/legal network and thus is obligated to offer more to
support it.


NOYB wrote:
You keep repeating this inaccuracy.

It's not inaccurate at all.

Rich people live longer & better than poor people. They have nicer houses,
cars, vacations, etc etc etc.

So the government buys their houses, cars, and vacations?



.... As Fred pointed out, the poor receive the lion's share of
government entitlements.

Actually, that's wrong too. Of course, by naming specific gov't programs
and pretending that this is the only 'benefit' that the gov't offers, you
can pretend it's true.



How many millionaires receive medicaid, welfare, etc?

So, by your own theory, getting medicaid & welfare is "better" than the
life of a millionaire?

Getting medicaid and welfare means you get more from the government.

So, by your own theory, getting medicaid & welfare is "better" than the
life of a millionaire?


NOYB wrote:
Getting medicaid and welfare means you get more from the government.


Are you one of those libby-rulls that believe *everything*
comes from the gov'mint?

Face facts NOBBY, the rich live better than the poor. They
get a better deal pretty much all the way around. So why
should they not pay more for the system that gives them such
a good ride?

I remembr you thought it was funny for military recruiters
to defraud kids into enlisting, and that servicemen should
expect to get their benefits cut or ignored. Is this the
same kind of "fair" thinking?

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...
So, by your own theory, getting medicaid & welfare is "better" than the
life of a millionaire?


NOYB wrote:
Getting medicaid and welfare means you get more from the government.


Are you one of those libby-rulls that believe *everything* comes from the
gov'mint?

Face facts NOBBY, the rich live better than the poor.

No thanks to the governent. And not as a result of the extra money they pay
in taxes.


They get a better deal pretty much all the way around. So why should they
not pay more for the system that gives them such a good ride?

Because they had the same opportunity to the ride as the poor people had.



I remembr you thought it was funny for military recruiters to defraud kids
into enlisting,

I never suggested such a thing.

and that servicemen should expect to get their benefits cut or ignored.

I think servicemen who serve in a combat zone ought to get their benefits
tripled...not cut.

If an Iraqi war veteran serving inside Iraq came into my office, I'd treat
him for free...and probably not charge his immediate family either.

They earned it. The bum who has been on non-disability welfare his whole
life did not.


Is this the same kind of "fair" thinking?

Face facts NOBBY, the rich live better than the poor.


NOYB wrote:
No thanks to the governent. And not as a result of the extra money they pay
in taxes.


Really? Doesn't that contradict what you just wrote about
how the gov't provides services, maintains infrastructure,
enforces law, etc etc; and that the rich live better under
this system than the poor?




They get a better deal pretty much all the way around. So why should they
not pay more for the system that gives them such a good ride?


NOYB wrote:
Because they had the same opportunity to the ride as the poor people had.



Really? A guy who inherits a million dollars has the "same
opportunity" as a coal miner's kid in Appalachia? That's why
the inheritance tax should be repealed, it's a totally fair
& equal system?



I remembr you thought it was funny for military recruiters to defraud kids
into enlisting,


I never suggested such a thing.


OK, maybe you've reconsidered.





and that servicemen should expect to get their benefits cut or ignored.


I think servicemen who serve in a combat zone ought to get their benefits
tripled...not cut.

If an Iraqi war veteran serving inside Iraq came into my office, I'd treat
him for free...and probably not charge his immediate family either.

They earned it. The bum who has been on non-disability welfare his whole
life did not.


Well that's commendable. I'll send you some.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...

Face facts NOBBY, the rich live better than the poor. They get a better
deal pretty much all the way around. So why should they not pay more for
the system that gives them such a good ride?


DSK


"So why should they not pay more for the system that gives them such a good
ride?"

That last sentence is the logical fallacy of your argument. I am sure this
will get your goat, and I mean in only in fun to make a point, but remember
Ronnie Wrinkles and his
"I paid for this microphone" retort?

Made a lot of sense to a lot of people.

Eisboch