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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
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2- The richer a person is, the more benefits he gains from our
social/economic/legal network and thus is obligated to offer more to
support it.
NOYB wrote:
You keep repeating this inaccuracy.
It's not inaccurate at all.

Rich people live longer & better than poor people. They have nicer
houses, cars, vacations, etc etc etc.

So the government buys their houses, cars, and vacations?


.... As Fred pointed out, the poor receive the lion's share of
government entitlements.
Actually, that's wrong too. Of course, by naming specific gov't programs
and pretending that this is the only 'benefit' that the gov't offers,
you can pretend it's true.


How many millionaires receive medicaid, welfare, etc?
So, by your own theory, getting medicaid & welfare is "better" than the
life of a millionaire?

Getting medicaid and welfare means you get more from the government.




What's the value (and I'm not really asking) of your interest deductions
for 2005?

If the IRS would cut my marginal rate to 15%, I'd have no problem doing away
with the interest deductions.

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"NOBBY" wrote
Since when are facts considered partisan? When they don't
substantiate your argument?


I can understand your glee in finally seeming to have a
solid FACT on your side, when all these long years it's
usually been the other way.


From Jackson Hewitt:

Fact:
a.. Americans spend more dollars per capita on taxes than on food,
clothing, and shelter combined.


That's a statement from Jackson Hewitt, not a definite fact.

Fred Dehl wrote:
Jackson Hewitt is a corporation that makes a profit. Therefore it is
obviously a partisan right-wing cabal.

Ya think so?

Well, I'm more inclined to believe Jackson Hewitt than I am
to believe you, but that is still not proof, not given as fact.

Considering that the percent expended on taxes is quoted as
being in the mid-30s, and many (many many many) American's
are paying 30% of their income on mortgages, I'm not
inclined to believe even Jackson Hewitt's claim that shelter
+ food + clothing (including $100+ tennis shoes?) claims
less than taxes.

DSK

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Face facts NOBBY, the rich live better than the poor.


NOYB wrote:
No thanks to the governent. And not as a result of the extra money they pay
in taxes.


Really? Doesn't that contradict what you just wrote about
how the gov't provides services, maintains infrastructure,
enforces law, etc etc; and that the rich live better under
this system than the poor?




They get a better deal pretty much all the way around. So why should they
not pay more for the system that gives them such a good ride?


NOYB wrote:
Because they had the same opportunity to the ride as the poor people had.



Really? A guy who inherits a million dollars has the "same
opportunity" as a coal miner's kid in Appalachia? That's why
the inheritance tax should be repealed, it's a totally fair
& equal system?



I remembr you thought it was funny for military recruiters to defraud kids
into enlisting,


I never suggested such a thing.


OK, maybe you've reconsidered.





and that servicemen should expect to get their benefits cut or ignored.


I think servicemen who serve in a combat zone ought to get their benefits
tripled...not cut.

If an Iraqi war veteran serving inside Iraq came into my office, I'd treat
him for free...and probably not charge his immediate family either.

They earned it. The bum who has been on non-disability welfare his whole
life did not.


Well that's commendable. I'll send you some.

DSK

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Fred Dehl wrote:
Read slowly: Your "April 19th" DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL TAXES. Therefore it
is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.

Let make sure I've got this straight... the amount of time
it takes for the average person to work to pay his Federal
taxes is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to your claim, because Federal
taxes are not 100% of all taxes?

Help me out here, what percent of overall taxes *is* the Fed
bite? A large percent, maybe? And what percent of his income
does the average American head of a household pay for
mortgage or rent? Is that relevant?

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
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Is a gov't benefit *solely* a matter of handing out money?


NOYB wrote:
Nope. Maintaining infrastructure, public transit, police, firefighters,
the military, etc. are all benefits enjoyed equally by all, but financed
primarily by the rich.


Very good. I can see the little light bulb over your head has clicked on.

The system is indeed financed primarily by the rich.

As I said, they gain the most benefit from the system, they live longer,
better, in greater luxury, more leisure, etc etc etc.

Should the poor pay equally for a system that they have a smaller share
of?


Do poor people use a smaller share of the subway car? Or the bus seat? Do
they use a smaller share of the freedom granted by the fighting men in our
military? Are they less flammable, or bulletproof, and as such don't need
the same protections given to them by firefighters and police officers?

What part of the government-funded services do they use less of?

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"DSK" wrote in message
t...

Fred Dehl wrote:
The whole point is that the system DOESN'T "give" them a good ride - the
ride comes from what THEY DO THEMSELVES.


Really?

Think that over again, Fred. Why are rich people rich?


Because they have a lot of money.

Because they do it all themselves?

Usually.


I'll help... make a list of what rich people do.

Play golf
Go to the spa
Go on vacation
Go on their boats

Then make a list of all the jobs that go into maintaining a luxury estate
home & golf course & yacht.

Does the government pay for golf course, yard and yacht maintenance now?
How do I sign up?

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
Face facts NOBBY, the rich live better than the poor.


NOYB wrote:
No thanks to the governent. And not as a result of the extra money they
pay in taxes.


Really? Doesn't that contradict what you just wrote about how the gov't
provides services, maintains infrastructure, enforces law, etc etc; and
that the rich live better under this system than the poor?




They get a better deal pretty much all the way around. So why should they
not pay more for the system that gives them such a good ride?


NOYB wrote:
Because they had the same opportunity to the ride as the poor people had.



Really? A guy who inherits a million dollars has the "same opportunity" as
a coal miner's kid in Appalachia? That's why the inheritance tax should be
repealed, it's a totally fair & equal system?


The inheritance tax is an abomination. It's absolutely absurd to tax a
person's death.






I remembr you thought it was funny for military recruiters to defraud
kids into enlisting,


I never suggested such a thing.


OK, maybe you've reconsidered.





and that servicemen should expect to get their benefits cut or ignored.


I think servicemen who serve in a combat zone ought to get their benefits
tripled...not cut.

If an Iraqi war veteran serving inside Iraq came into my office, I'd
treat him for free...and probably not charge his immediate family either.

They earned it. The bum who has been on non-disability welfare his whole
life did not.


Well that's commendable. I'll send you some.

Please do. Have him contact me here, leave an email, and I'll contact him
via that email.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
NOYB wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
...
2- The richer a person is, the more benefits he gains from our
social/economic/legal network and thus is obligated to offer more to
support it.
NOYB wrote:
You keep repeating this inaccuracy.
It's not inaccurate at all.

Rich people live longer & better than poor people. They have nicer
houses, cars, vacations, etc etc etc.
So the government buys their houses, cars, and vacations?

.... As Fred pointed out, the poor receive the lion's share of
government entitlements.
Actually, that's wrong too. Of course, by naming specific gov't
programs and pretending that this is the only 'benefit' that the gov't
offers, you can pretend it's true.


How many millionaires receive medicaid, welfare, etc?
So, by your own theory, getting medicaid & welfare is "better" than
the life of a millionaire?
Getting medicaid and welfare means you get more from the government.



What's the value (and I'm not really asking) of your interest deductions
for 2005?

If the IRS would cut my marginal rate to 15%, I'd have no problem doing
away with the interest deductions.



Uh -huh.

At a 15% flat tax rate, I'd be ahead of the game from where I am right now.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Is a gov't benefit *solely* a matter of handing out money?


NOYB wrote:
Nope. Maintaining infrastructure, public transit, police, firefighters,
the military, etc. are all benefits enjoyed equally by all, but financed
primarily by the rich.


Very good. I can see the little light bulb over your head has clicked on.

The system is indeed financed primarily by the rich.

As I said, they gain the most benefit from the system, they live longer,
better, in greater luxury, more leisure, etc etc etc.

Should the poor pay equally for a system that they have a smaller share
of?


Do poor people use a smaller share of the subway car? Or the bus seat?
Do they use a smaller share of the freedom granted by the fighting men in
our military? Are they less flammable, or bulletproof, and as such don't
need the same protections given to them by firefighters and police
officers?

What part of the government-funded services do they use less of?

Since when is the same percentage of income payed in taxes paying
"equally" ?

15% of $30,000 and 15% of $300,000 is not EQUA:L

Boat deductions... OT political BS
 

Should the poor pay equally for a system that they have a smaller share
of?



NOYB wrote:
Do poor people use a smaller share of the subway car? Or the bus seat?

Would the rich like it more if the poor crowded onto our
expensive public roads & highways in lo-dollar clunkers &
motorbikes? And let's not forget that public transport
services the wealthier sections of the wealthier metropolii,
also.... I guess it's mostly poor people riding the DC Metro
in from Fairfax?


.... Do
they use a smaller share of the freedom granted by the fighting men in our
military?

Actually, they do. Freedom to do many things is useless if
you can't afford them. And they can't afford as good lawyers
as rich people.



... Are they less flammable, or bulletproof, and as such don't need
the same protections given to them by firefighters and police officers?


No, but they certainly have more valuable property protected
by firefighters & policemen.


What part of the government-funded services do they use less of?


The SEC, FAA, DoI, for starters.

Thanks NOBBY, you've helped prove my point admirably.