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And your source for this amazing claim is?


Fred Dehl wrote:
http://www.jacksonhewitt.com/resourc...tax_trivia.asp


"Americans spend more dollars per capita on taxes than on
food, clothing, and shelter combined."

Not quite the same thing (and no supporting figures at all)
for your earlier claim

The average family pays more in taxes than for food,
clothing and
shelter COMBINED.



http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/P82372.asp


"According to the Tax Foundation, the typical middle-income
taxpayer in 2003 had to work until April 19 to just cover
his federal and state income taxes. That’s almost a third of
the year, 109 days, or two hours and 23 minutes of each
eight hours in earnings."

Tends to prove the opposite of your claim.



Would you like these bitchslappings to continue to be random, or shall I
put you on a schedule so you can prepare for them?

Just exactly what do you think you're slapping here? Didn't
your mother warn you that what you're doing could make you
go blind?

DSK

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"According to the Tax Foundation, the typical middle-income
taxpayer in 2003 had to work until April 19 to just cover
his federal and state income taxes. That’s almost a third of
the year, 109 days, or two hours and 23 minutes of each
eight hours in earnings."

Tends to prove the opposite of your claim.


Fred Dehl wrote:
Incorrect. First off, "Federal and state income taxes" is not an all-
inclusive figure. Ever hear of property taxes? Sales tax? Secondly, the
statement refers only to "middle-income taxpayer(s)", not the entire
populace.

Is Jan 1 to April 19th more than 38% of the year? What is
the specific percent of average income spent on property &
sales taxes? In other words, you cannot support your claim.

BTW I looked at all your references and they were all about
as specific... ie vague crapola that does more to prove "the
average American family" does not pay more in taxes than on
food, clothing, & shelter combined.

But it sure sounds imressive. Kind of like the equally bogus
claim that Mt St Helens has polluted the air more than all
man's activities throughout history, another fatuous claim
often made by the far-righties who can't do math.

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
2- The richer a person is, the more benefits he gains from our
social/economic/legal network and thus is obligated to offer more to
support it.


NOYB wrote:
You keep repeating this inaccuracy.

It's not inaccurate at all.

Rich people live longer & better than poor people. They have nicer houses,
cars, vacations, etc etc etc.

So the government buys their houses, cars, and vacations?



.... As Fred pointed out, the poor receive the lion's share of
government entitlements.

Actually, that's wrong too. Of course, by naming specific gov't programs
and pretending that this is the only 'benefit' that the gov't offers, you
can pretend it's true.



How many millionaires receive medicaid, welfare, etc?

So, by your own theory, getting medicaid & welfare is "better" than the
life of a millionaire?

Getting medicaid and welfare means you get more from the government.

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So, by your own theory, getting medicaid & welfare is "better" than the
life of a millionaire?


NOYB wrote:
Getting medicaid and welfare means you get more from the government.


Are you one of those libby-rulls that believe *everything*
comes from the gov'mint?

Face facts NOBBY, the rich live better than the poor. They
get a better deal pretty much all the way around. So why
should they not pay more for the system that gives them such
a good ride?

I remembr you thought it was funny for military recruiters
to defraud kids into enlisting, and that servicemen should
expect to get their benefits cut or ignored. Is this the
same kind of "fair" thinking?

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
Of course, by naming specific gov't programs and pretending that this is
the only 'benefit' that the gov't offers, you can pretend it's true.


Fred Dehl wrote:
Fine. Name some entitlement programs that cut checks to the wealthy.


Is a gov't benefit *solely* a matter of handing out money?

Nope. Maintaining infrastructure, public transit, police, firefighters, the
military, etc. are all benefits enjoyed equally by all, but financed
primarily by the rich.




How many millionaires receive medicaid, welfare, etc?

So, by your own theory, getting medicaid & welfare is "better" than the
life of a millionaire?


No. Why are you changing the subject?

I'm not changing the subject at all, which was benefits versus pay-in.'

The subject is: Benefits "from the government" vs. "pay-in to the
goverment".





.... You claimed that the poor are "subsidizing" the rich.

If they are paying more in taxes than they are gaining in benefit, then
that is exactly what is happening.



.... The poor receive government checks financed by the rich.

Of course, in reality, only a small percent do so; and (also "of course")
these checks are financed by *all* taxpayers not just 'the rich.'

Not a small percentage...especially relative to the number of rich folks who
receive government checks. The bottom 20% receive at least some form of
government hand-out. 20% of nearly 300 million is not a small number.




Meanwhile, the rich receive the lion's share of luxury consumer goods,

Which they buy.

medical care,

Which they pay for.

desirable real estate,

Which the government plays no role in.

etc etc
etc.

etc, etc, etc...

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Fred Dehl wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in
:
Fred Dehl wrote:
DSK wrote in
:
Fred Dehl wrote:
The average family pays more in taxes than for food, clothing and
shelter COMBINED.
?????

Do you actually believe your own BS?
Is that all you can come up with? Baseless accusations with a flurry
of question marks? You're pathetic.

Perhaps you might supply us with a non-partisan reliable source for
your comment about the "average" family

http://www.jacksonhewitt.com/resourc...tax_trivia.asp
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/P82372.asp
http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon_4_19_02sm.html
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/tax11.htm
http://www.house.gov/boehlert/pr_040...t_on_taxes.htm

Would you like these bitchslappings to continue to be random, or shall I
put you on a schedule so you can prepare for them?



I asked for a non-partisan source for your claim that the average family
pays more in taxes than it pays for food, shelter, and clothing, combined.

Got one?

Since when are facts considered partisan? When they don't substantiate your
argument?

From Jackson Hewitt:

Fact:
a.. Americans spend more dollars per capita on taxes than on food, clothing,
and shelter combined.

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Fine. Name some entitlement programs that cut checks to the wealthy.


Is a gov't benefit *solely* a matter of handing out money?


Fred Dehl wrote:
How else would you measure it?

Let's see... how many poor people drive their motor homes
into National Parks each year? How many poor people have
their investment portfolios regulated by the SEC? How many
poor people get their businesses handed cost-plus no-bid
contracts?


... Would you claim that a rich person
receives more 'benefit" from the military because they are protecting his
more valuable house from terrorist attack?

Yes. Would you make the claim that he's not gaining more
benefit?

... Then you're in essence
saying that the rich person's very life is more valuable than the life of
a poor person.


Not really, I'm saying that the rich people benefit more
from a wider range of gov't activities than just handing out
checks.... speaking of which, why is Dept of Faith-Based
Initiatives not getting audited?



.... You claimed that the poor are
"subsidizing" the rich.

If they are paying more in taxes than they are gaining in
benefit, then that is exactly what is happening.


You've shown nothing to demonstrate this.

Yes, I have. You just don't understand.



Meanwhile, the rich receive the lion's share of luxury
consumer goods, medical care, desirable real estate, etc etc
etc.


None of which is provided by government. And they only "receive" it
because they pay someone else money for it.

Uh huh. And this all happens by itself? The gov't has
nothing to do with business, trade, laws, etc etc?

The social/economic/legal system that we operate under is
what makes it possible for the rich to buy these things.
They don't "just happen." Without gov't that system would
not function. Is the light beginning to dawn Fred?

DSK

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Is a gov't benefit *solely* a matter of handing out money?


NOYB wrote:
Nope. Maintaining infrastructure, public transit, police, firefighters, the
military, etc. are all benefits enjoyed equally by all, but financed
primarily by the rich.


Very good. I can see the little light bulb over your head
has clicked on.

The system is indeed financed primarily by the rich.

As I said, they gain the most benefit from the system, they
live longer, better, in greater luxury, more leisure, etc
etc etc.

Should the poor pay equally for a system that they have a
smaller share of?

DSK

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Fred Dehl wrote:
The whole point is that the system DOESN'T "give" them a good ride - the
ride comes from what THEY DO THEMSELVES.


Really?

Think that over again, Fred. Why are rich people rich?
Because they do it all themselves?

I'll help... make a list of what rich people do. Then make a
list of all the jobs that go into maintaining a luxury
estate home & golf course & yacht. Get back to me with all
the items in common on both lists, OK?

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
So, by your own theory, getting medicaid & welfare is "better" than the
life of a millionaire?


NOYB wrote:
Getting medicaid and welfare means you get more from the government.


Are you one of those libby-rulls that believe *everything* comes from the
gov'mint?

Face facts NOBBY, the rich live better than the poor.

No thanks to the governent. And not as a result of the extra money they pay
in taxes.


They get a better deal pretty much all the way around. So why should they
not pay more for the system that gives them such a good ride?

Because they had the same opportunity to the ride as the poor people had.



I remembr you thought it was funny for military recruiters to defraud kids
into enlisting,

I never suggested such a thing.

and that servicemen should expect to get their benefits cut or ignored.

I think servicemen who serve in a combat zone ought to get their benefits
tripled...not cut.

If an Iraqi war veteran serving inside Iraq came into my office, I'd treat
him for free...and probably not charge his immediate family either.

They earned it. The bum who has been on non-disability welfare his whole
life did not.


Is this the same kind of "fair" thinking?