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Buying a Used Boat
In a separate thread, there has been a discussion about buying a used boats.
I have purchased both new and used boats, and if I was going to buy another boat I probably would buy a used boat. I thought it might be interested if everyone added their thoughts of buying a used boat vs. a new boat. To get the thread started I have listed a few ideas. Please add yours. Advantage of a used boat a 1. The new boats problems (and they all have a few gremlins) have probably been solved. 2. The boat will probably include many options or accessories that will be thrown in for free. 3. The other person is taking the big hit for depreciation that incurs as soon as the boat is taken off the dealers lot. Even if the boat is only 2 years old, you can probably save at least 20% off the cost of the same boat new. Any other benefits of a used boat? The disadvantage of a used boat: 1. There might be hidden problems, that even a survey and mechanic will not find. 2. You will not have the "new boat smell". 3. If you are going to finance the boat, you interest rates and down payment might be higher than new. 4. You need to be prepared to spend more time finding a good used boat at a reasonable price. It is easier to visit a boat show and check out many new boats in one location. Any other disadvantages of the used boat? |
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. In a separate thread, there has been a discussion about buying a used boats. I have purchased both new and used boats, and if I was going to buy another boat I probably would buy a used boat. I thought it might be interested if everyone added their thoughts of buying a used boat vs. a new boat. To get the thread started I have listed a few ideas. Please add yours. Advantage of a used boat a 1. The new boats problems (and they all have a few gremlins) have probably been solved. 2. The boat will probably include many options or accessories that will be thrown in for free. 3. The other person is taking the big hit for depreciation that incurs as soon as the boat is taken off the dealers lot. Even if the boat is only 2 years old, you can probably save at least 20% off the cost of the same boat new. Any other benefits of a used boat? If it was built before 90......the length typically does not include the pulpit and swim platform.....saves money on docking charges ;-) (Mine says 28 on the title......even though it is longer than newer 32's) The disadvantage of a used boat: 1. There might be hidden problems, that even a survey and mechanic will not find. 2. You will not have the "new boat smell". 3. If you are going to finance the boat, you interest rates and down payment might be higher than new. 4. You need to be prepared to spend more time finding a good used boat at a reasonable price. It is easier to visit a boat show and check out many new boats in one location. You don't know what sort of treatment the previous owner(s) gave the boat. Higher maintenance costs as things wear out and break. Any other disadvantages of the used boat? |
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Reggie,
When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know that the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any liens. Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one of those states. As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines and/or major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat with a warranty. Butch "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. In a separate thread, there has been a discussion about buying a used boats. I have purchased both new and used boats, and if I was going to buy another boat I probably would buy a used boat. I thought it might be interested if everyone added their thoughts of buying a used boat vs. a new boat. To get the thread started I have listed a few ideas. Please add yours. Advantage of a used boat a 1. The new boats problems (and they all have a few gremlins) have probably been solved. 2. The boat will probably include many options or accessories that will be thrown in for free. 3. The other person is taking the big hit for depreciation that incurs as soon as the boat is taken off the dealers lot. Even if the boat is only 2 years old, you can probably save at least 20% off the cost of the same boat new. Any other benefits of a used boat? The disadvantage of a used boat: 1. There might be hidden problems, that even a survey and mechanic will not find. 2. You will not have the "new boat smell". 3. If you are going to finance the boat, you interest rates and down payment might be higher than new. 4. You need to be prepared to spend more time finding a good used boat at a reasonable price. It is easier to visit a boat show and check out many new boats in one location. Any other disadvantages of the used boat? |
Buying a Used Boat
When buying any used boat it is important to deal with a seller who is up
front and honest about things like engine hours, especially if there is no hour meter. It is also important that both the prospective buyer and seller know what a reasonable price is for the particular boat. There was another thread with a member claiming to have a boat for sale who broke all these rules and will therefore have a hard time selling his boat. "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. In a separate thread, there has been a discussion about buying a used boats. I have purchased both new and used boats, and if I was going to buy another boat I probably would buy a used boat. I thought it might be interested if everyone added their thoughts of buying a used boat vs. a new boat. To get the thread started I have listed a few ideas. Please add yours. Advantage of a used boat a 1. The new boats problems (and they all have a few gremlins) have probably been solved. 2. The boat will probably include many options or accessories that will be thrown in for free. 3. The other person is taking the big hit for depreciation that incurs as soon as the boat is taken off the dealers lot. Even if the boat is only 2 years old, you can probably save at least 20% off the cost of the same boat new. Any other benefits of a used boat? The disadvantage of a used boat: 1. There might be hidden problems, that even a survey and mechanic will not find. 2. You will not have the "new boat smell". 3. If you are going to finance the boat, you interest rates and down payment might be higher than new. 4. You need to be prepared to spend more time finding a good used boat at a reasonable price. It is easier to visit a boat show and check out many new boats in one location. Any other disadvantages of the used boat? |
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"P. Fritz" wrote in message If it was built before 90......the length typically does not include the pulpit and swim platform.....saves money on docking charges ;-) (Mine says 28 on the title......even though it is longer than newer 32's) Not necessarily. Most marinas in this area charge on the overall length. |
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Butch,
I know if the boat is CG registered that the lien will be included on the registration, do most states include the lien holder on the boat title the way they do on car titles? "Butch Davis" wrote in message ink.net... Reggie, When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know that the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any liens. Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one of those states. As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines and/or major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat with a warranty. Butch "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. In a separate thread, there has been a discussion about buying a used boats. I have purchased both new and used boats, and if I was going to buy another boat I probably would buy a used boat. I thought it might be interested if everyone added their thoughts of buying a used boat vs. a new boat. To get the thread started I have listed a few ideas. Please add yours. Advantage of a used boat a 1. The new boats problems (and they all have a few gremlins) have probably been solved. 2. The boat will probably include many options or accessories that will be thrown in for free. 3. The other person is taking the big hit for depreciation that incurs as soon as the boat is taken off the dealers lot. Even if the boat is only 2 years old, you can probably save at least 20% off the cost of the same boat new. Any other benefits of a used boat? The disadvantage of a used boat: 1. There might be hidden problems, that even a survey and mechanic will not find. 2. You will not have the "new boat smell". 3. If you are going to finance the boat, you interest rates and down payment might be higher than new. 4. You need to be prepared to spend more time finding a good used boat at a reasonable price. It is easier to visit a boat show and check out many new boats in one location. Any other disadvantages of the used boat? |
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message The disadvantage of a used boat: 2. You will not have the "new boat smell". I would transfer this item to the "advantage" column. :-) |
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "P. Fritz" wrote in message If it was built before 90......the length typically does not include the pulpit and swim platform.....saves money on docking charges ;-) (Mine says 28 on the title......even though it is longer than newer 32's) Not necessarily. Most marinas in this area charge on the overall length. The ones I have gone to have always just looked at the numbers on the side or the title. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: When buying any used boat it is important to deal with a seller who is up front and honest about things like engine hours, especially if there is no hour meter. It is also important that both the prospective buyer and seller know what a reasonable price is for the particular boat. There was another thread with a member claiming to have a boat for sale who broke all these rules and will therefore have a hard time selling his boat. Hope you are not referring to me, Hert, since I did not "offer" a boat for sale here. A poster here asked if I had one for sale, and I answered in the affirmative. I don't conduct "business" in rec.boats among the droolers. You know, your type. As you are not a prospective buyer, you have no reason to know any of the real particulars of the boat. Go play with your buddies Fritz, Smithers, et al. They're yyour speed. Real slow. Why the need for insults Harry? Are your feelings hurt because you were proved wrong time and time again yesterday? |
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"P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "P. Fritz" wrote in message If it was built before 90......the length typically does not include the pulpit and swim platform.....saves money on docking charges ;-) (Mine says 28 on the title......even though it is longer than newer 32's) Not necessarily. Most marinas in this area charge on the overall length. The ones I have gone to have always just looked at the numbers on the side or the title. Ours charge by the length of the slip, regardless of the length of boat. |
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" JimH" wrote in message . .. "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "P. Fritz" wrote in message If it was built before 90......the length typically does not include the pulpit and swim platform.....saves money on docking charges ;-) (Mine says 28 on the title......even though it is longer than newer 32's) Not necessarily. Most marinas in this area charge on the overall length. The ones I have gone to have always just looked at the numbers on the side or the title. Ours charge by the length of the slip, regardless of the length of boat. My marina does, but I was talking about transient slips, like at P.I.B. for eample. My boat says 28 on the side, they did question it once but once they looked at the title, they accepted it. I guess it depends on the marina, and the experience of the dock hands. |
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JimH,
How can anyone know if the seller is being honest with the engine hours if their is not hour meter? For that matter, how can someone be sure if the seller is being honest about the engine hours even if their is an hour meter? Today's cars are set up to make it very hard to set back the mileage. I don't think there is anything similar for replacing the hour meter and just running the meter to provide a reasonable number of engine hours. " JimH" wrote in message . .. When buying any used boat it is important to deal with a seller who is up front and honest about things like engine hours, especially if there is no hour meter. It is also important that both the prospective buyer and seller know what a reasonable price is for the particular boat. There was another thread with a member claiming to have a boat for sale who broke all these rules and will therefore have a hard time selling his boat. "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. In a separate thread, there has been a discussion about buying a used boats. I have purchased both new and used boats, and if I was going to buy another boat I probably would buy a used boat. I thought it might be interested if everyone added their thoughts of buying a used boat vs. a new boat. To get the thread started I have listed a few ideas. Please add yours. Advantage of a used boat a 1. The new boats problems (and they all have a few gremlins) have probably been solved. 2. The boat will probably include many options or accessories that will be thrown in for free. 3. The other person is taking the big hit for depreciation that incurs as soon as the boat is taken off the dealers lot. Even if the boat is only 2 years old, you can probably save at least 20% off the cost of the same boat new. Any other benefits of a used boat? The disadvantage of a used boat: 1. There might be hidden problems, that even a survey and mechanic will not find. 2. You will not have the "new boat smell". 3. If you are going to finance the boat, you interest rates and down payment might be higher than new. 4. You need to be prepared to spend more time finding a good used boat at a reasonable price. It is easier to visit a boat show and check out many new boats in one location. Any other disadvantages of the used boat? |
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... JimH, How can anyone know if the seller is being honest with the engine hours if their is not hour meter? A maintenance and trip log will help show how well the boat was maintained and how ofter it was used. One will not be able to know the exact number of hours but can gestimate it. For that matter, how can someone be sure if the seller is being honest about the engine hours even if their is an hour meter? Again, a maintenance and trip log will validate it. Receipts from mainteance done on the boat also helps, as does a professional compression test of the engine(s). Today's cars are set up to make it very hard to set back the mileage. I don't think there is anything similar for replacing the hour meter and just running the meter to provide a reasonable number of engine hours. True. That is why it is important when purchasing a used boat not to rely solely on the hour meter. |
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In my area all marinas charges by the size of the slip, they have maximum
boat size that they allow in a slip, but if you want to put a 20' boat in a 60' slip you can do it. ;) I actually saw where a number of dock mates jointly rented a 60' slip, just so they could store their jet skis and ski boats. There was 4 jet skis and 2 runabouts in a 60' slip. "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "P. Fritz" wrote in message If it was built before 90......the length typically does not include the pulpit and swim platform.....saves money on docking charges ;-) (Mine says 28 on the title......even though it is longer than newer 32's) Not necessarily. Most marinas in this area charge on the overall length. The ones I have gone to have always just looked at the numbers on the side or the title. |
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... JimH, How can anyone know if the seller is being honest with the engine hours if their is not hour meter? For that matter, how can someone be sure if the seller is being honest about the engine hours even if their is an hour meter? Today's cars are set up to make it very hard to set back the mileage. I don't think there is anything similar for replacing the hour meter and just running the meter to provide a reasonable number of engine hours. One of my hour meters jumped, so that it looks like one engine has 200 more hours than the other. " JimH" wrote in message . .. When buying any used boat it is important to deal with a seller who is up front and honest about things like engine hours, especially if there is no hour meter. It is also important that both the prospective buyer and seller know what a reasonable price is for the particular boat. There was another thread with a member claiming to have a boat for sale who broke all these rules and will therefore have a hard time selling his boat. "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. In a separate thread, there has been a discussion about buying a used boats. I have purchased both new and used boats, and if I was going to buy another boat I probably would buy a used boat. I thought it might be interested if everyone added their thoughts of buying a used boat vs. a new boat. To get the thread started I have listed a few ideas. Please add yours. Advantage of a used boat a 1. The new boats problems (and they all have a few gremlins) have probably been solved. 2. The boat will probably include many options or accessories that will be thrown in for free. 3. The other person is taking the big hit for depreciation that incurs as soon as the boat is taken off the dealers lot. Even if the boat is only 2 years old, you can probably save at least 20% off the cost of the same boat new. Any other benefits of a used boat? The disadvantage of a used boat: 1. There might be hidden problems, that even a survey and mechanic will not find. 2. You will not have the "new boat smell". 3. If you are going to finance the boat, you interest rates and down payment might be higher than new. 4. You need to be prepared to spend more time finding a good used boat at a reasonable price. It is easier to visit a boat show and check out many new boats in one location. Any other disadvantages of the used boat? |
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... JimH, How can anyone know if the seller is being honest with the engine hours if their is not hour meter? For that matter, how can someone be sure if the seller is being honest about the engine hours even if their is an hour meter? Today's cars are set up to make it very hard to set back the mileage. I don't think there is anything similar for replacing the hour meter and just running the meter to provide a reasonable number of engine hours. " JimH" wrote in message . .. When buying any used boat it is important to deal with a seller who is up front and honest about things like engine hours, especially if there is no hour meter. It is also important that both the prospective buyer and seller know what a reasonable price is for the particular boat. There was another thread with a member claiming to have a boat for sale who broke all these rules and will therefore have a hard time selling his boat. "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. In a separate thread, there has been a discussion about buying a used boats. I have purchased both new and used boats, and if I was going to buy another boat I probably would buy a used boat. I thought it might be interested if everyone added their thoughts of buying a used boat vs. a new boat. To get the thread started I have listed a few ideas. Please add yours. Advantage of a used boat a 1. The new boats problems (and they all have a few gremlins) have probably been solved. 2. The boat will probably include many options or accessories that will be thrown in for free. 3. The other person is taking the big hit for depreciation that incurs as soon as the boat is taken off the dealers lot. Even if the boat is only 2 years old, you can probably save at least 20% off the cost of the same boat new. Any other benefits of a used boat? The disadvantage of a used boat: 1. There might be hidden problems, that even a survey and mechanic will not find. 2. You will not have the "new boat smell". 3. If you are going to finance the boat, you interest rates and down payment might be higher than new. 4. You need to be prepared to spend more time finding a good used boat at a reasonable price. It is easier to visit a boat show and check out many new boats in one location. Any other disadvantages of the used boat? |
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JimH,
I have never kept a "trip log", is that common for the recreational boaters in your area? My maintenance records and receipts from the dealer (except for the first 20 hr. check up and the first 50 hr check up) have not referenced the hour meter. Since I do most of the normal maintenance on my boat, I always save the receipts for lube and parts and attach it to a Maintenance Log, referencing the date the service was performed and the hour meter reading. Is it common for most marinas and or mechanics to include the hours on the work order? " JimH" wrote in message ... "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... JimH, How can anyone know if the seller is being honest with the engine hours if their is not hour meter? A maintenance and trip log will help show how well the boat was maintained and how ofter it was used. One will not be able to know the exact number of hours but can gestimate it. For that matter, how can someone be sure if the seller is being honest about the engine hours even if their is an hour meter? Again, a maintenance and trip log will validate it. Receipts from mainteance done on the boat also helps, as does a professional compression test of the engine(s). Today's cars are set up to make it very hard to set back the mileage. I don't think there is anything similar for replacing the hour meter and just running the meter to provide a reasonable number of engine hours. True. That is why it is important when purchasing a used boat not to rely solely on the hour meter. |
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... JimH, I have never kept a "trip log", is that common for the recreational boaters in your area? It is for me. My maintenance records and receipts from the dealer (except for the first 20 hr. check up and the first 50 hr check up) have not referenced the hour meter. Since I do most of the normal maintenance on my boat, I always save the receipts for lube and parts and attach it to a Maintenance Log, referencing the date the service was performed and the hour meter reading. There you go. That is the best evidence you can present a prospective buyer on the engine hours and maintenance. Is it common for most marinas and or mechanics to include the hours on the work order? Nope. But you can ask them to or note the hours yourself on the log or receipt. |
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"P. Fritz" wrote in message Not necessarily. Most marinas in this area charge on the overall length. Ours charge by the length of the slip, regardless of the length of boat. My marina does, but I was talking about transient slips, like at P.I.B. for eample. My boat says 28 on the side, they did question it once but once they looked at the title, they accepted it. I guess it depends on the marina, and the experience of the dock hands. Perhaps I should have said many instead of most, but the basic principle holds. I had an older Luhrs 32, and 4 friends had essentially the same boat, all at different marinas. We all had the same problem. Prow to transom, the vessel measures just about 31.5, but with swim platform and small anchor pulpit she would tape out a bit over 34', and that was the charge. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... D'oh. The hour meter on the large Yamaha outboards is electronic and ? reads directly from the computer in the powerhead. Does anyone know if the computer only read the hours based upon when the engine is running or will it also show hours when the key was turned to "accessories"? I noticed my I/O hour meter runs anytime the key is turned to the "accessory" mode, even if the engines are not running. |
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:52:02 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote:
Reggie, When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know that the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any liens. Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one of those states. As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines and/or major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat with a warranty. Butch To overcome the 'title' problem, I financed the boat through the credit union and let them worry about getting the correct title, etc. Then, after a couple weeks, I paid off the loan. Total cost to me was about $25, well worth it. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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JohnH,
Did the credit union warrant that the title was clean and clear? Since you purchased the boat, and used them to "borrow the money" and they were the lien holder, I would think it was up to you to provide them with a clean title, not up to them to provide you with a clean title. Or do you mean that since the title was clean enough for the Credit Union, it probably was a clean title? "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:52:02 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Reggie, When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know that the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any liens. Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one of those states. As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines and/or major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat with a warranty. Butch To overcome the 'title' problem, I financed the boat through the credit union and let them worry about getting the correct title, etc. Then, after a couple weeks, I paid off the loan. Total cost to me was about $25, well worth it. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:23:54 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"
wrote: JohnH, Did the credit union warrant that the title was clean and clear? Since you purchased the boat, and used them to "borrow the money" and they were the lien holder, I would think it was up to you to provide them with a clean title, not up to them to provide you with a clean title. Or do you mean that since the title was clean enough for the Credit Union, it probably was a clean title? "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:52:02 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Reggie, When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know that the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any liens. Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one of those states. As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines and/or major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat with a warranty. Butch To overcome the 'title' problem, I financed the boat through the credit union and let them worry about getting the correct title, etc. Then, after a couple weeks, I paid off the loan. Total cost to me was about $25, well worth it. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes The credit union worked with the seller's bank to get the title. The seller still had a note on the boat which had to be paid off by the credit union. To answer your second question, I guess I assumed if it was clean enough for the credit union, it would be clean enough for me. I figured they had some quick and dirty way to check a title. How would one go about verifying a clean title? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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When I have sold or purchased boats in the past, I have written into the
contract that I or the seller would provide a clean title within 3 weeks. I then paid off the lien holder, copied the seller on the check submitted to the lien holder and then provided him with a copy of the title. If either party did not honor the contract, it could be resolved in court. I have always felt this was sufficient, but if someone's objective was to screw me and the title was a forgery,( with today's computer is very possible), they probably could have. Today, I think I would contact the lien holder directly get the payoff amount, ask for a check to be made jointly to me and the lien holder and I would mail the check to the lien holder. "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:23:54 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: JohnH, Did the credit union warrant that the title was clean and clear? Since you purchased the boat, and used them to "borrow the money" and they were the lien holder, I would think it was up to you to provide them with a clean title, not up to them to provide you with a clean title. Or do you mean that since the title was clean enough for the Credit Union, it probably was a clean title? "JohnH" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:52:02 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Reggie, When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know that the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any liens. Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one of those states. As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines and/or major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat with a warranty. Butch To overcome the 'title' problem, I financed the boat through the credit union and let them worry about getting the correct title, etc. Then, after a couple weeks, I paid off the loan. Total cost to me was about $25, well worth it. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes The credit union worked with the seller's bank to get the title. The seller still had a note on the boat which had to be paid off by the credit union. To answer your second question, I guess I assumed if it was clean enough for the credit union, it would be clean enough for me. I figured they had some quick and dirty way to check a title. How would one go about verifying a clean title? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... When I have sold or purchased boats in the past, I have written into the contract that I or the seller would provide a clean title within 3 weeks. I then paid off the lien holder, copied the seller on the check submitted to the lien holder and then provided him with a copy of the title. If either party did not honor the contract, it could be resolved in court. I have always felt this was sufficient, but if someone's objective was to screw me and the title was a forgery,( with today's computer is very possible), they probably could have. Today, I think I would contact the lien holder directly get the payoff amount, ask for a check to be made jointly to me and the lien holder and I would mail the check to the lien holder. "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:23:54 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: JohnH, Did the credit union warrant that the title was clean and clear? Since you purchased the boat, and used them to "borrow the money" and they were the lien holder, I would think it was up to you to provide them with a clean title, not up to them to provide you with a clean title. Or do you mean that since the title was clean enough for the Credit Union, it probably was a clean title? "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:52:02 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Reggie, When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know that the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any liens. Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one of those states. As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines and/or major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat with a warranty. Butch To overcome the 'title' problem, I financed the boat through the credit union and let them worry about getting the correct title, etc. Then, after a couple weeks, I paid off the loan. Total cost to me was about $25, well worth it. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes The credit union worked with the seller's bank to get the title. The seller still had a note on the boat which had to be paid off by the credit union. To answer your second question, I guess I assumed if it was clean enough for the credit union, it would be clean enough for me. I figured they had some quick and dirty way to check a title. How would one go about verifying a clean title? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes In California, and also Oregon, where I purchased my boat, the lien holder is listed on the title, just like on a car. |
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Bill,
It is the same in my state, but it would be fairly easy for some to scan a legitimate title and change the info on the form. "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... When I have sold or purchased boats in the past, I have written into the contract that I or the seller would provide a clean title within 3 weeks. I then paid off the lien holder, copied the seller on the check submitted to the lien holder and then provided him with a copy of the title. If either party did not honor the contract, it could be resolved in court. I have always felt this was sufficient, but if someone's objective was to screw me and the title was a forgery,( with today's computer is very possible), they probably could have. Today, I think I would contact the lien holder directly get the payoff amount, ask for a check to be made jointly to me and the lien holder and I would mail the check to the lien holder. "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:23:54 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: JohnH, Did the credit union warrant that the title was clean and clear? Since you purchased the boat, and used them to "borrow the money" and they were the lien holder, I would think it was up to you to provide them with a clean title, not up to them to provide you with a clean title. Or do you mean that since the title was clean enough for the Credit Union, it probably was a clean title? "JohnH" wrote in message m... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:52:02 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Reggie, When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know that the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any liens. Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one of those states. As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines and/or major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat with a warranty. Butch To overcome the 'title' problem, I financed the boat through the credit union and let them worry about getting the correct title, etc. Then, after a couple weeks, I paid off the loan. Total cost to me was about $25, well worth it. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes The credit union worked with the seller's bank to get the title. The seller still had a note on the boat which had to be paid off by the credit union. To answer your second question, I guess I assumed if it was clean enough for the credit union, it would be clean enough for me. I figured they had some quick and dirty way to check a title. How would one go about verifying a clean title? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes In California, and also Oregon, where I purchased my boat, the lien holder is listed on the title, just like on a car. |
Buying a Used Boat
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. Bill, It is the same in my state, but it would be fairly easy for some to scan a legitimate title and change the info on the form. "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... When I have sold or purchased boats in the past, I have written into the contract that I or the seller would provide a clean title within 3 weeks. I then paid off the lien holder, copied the seller on the check submitted to the lien holder and then provided him with a copy of the title. If either party did not honor the contract, it could be resolved in court. I have always felt this was sufficient, but if someone's objective was to screw me and the title was a forgery,( with today's computer is very possible), they probably could have. Today, I think I would contact the lien holder directly get the payoff amount, ask for a check to be made jointly to me and the lien holder and I would mail the check to the lien holder. "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:23:54 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: JohnH, Did the credit union warrant that the title was clean and clear? Since you purchased the boat, and used them to "borrow the money" and they were the lien holder, I would think it was up to you to provide them with a clean title, not up to them to provide you with a clean title. Or do you mean that since the title was clean enough for the Credit Union, it probably was a clean title? "JohnH" wrote in message om... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:52:02 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Reggie, When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know that the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any liens. Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one of those states. As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines and/or major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat with a warranty. Butch To overcome the 'title' problem, I financed the boat through the credit union and let them worry about getting the correct title, etc. Then, after a couple weeks, I paid off the loan. Total cost to me was about $25, well worth it. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes The credit union worked with the seller's bank to get the title. The seller still had a note on the boat which had to be paid off by the credit union. To answer your second question, I guess I assumed if it was clean enough for the credit union, it would be clean enough for me. I figured they had some quick and dirty way to check a title. How would one go about verifying a clean title? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes In California, and also Oregon, where I purchased my boat, the lien holder is listed on the title, just like on a car. And then they get to spend time in the Greybar Hotel. Unfortunately, you may be out money. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... When I have sold or purchased boats in the past, I have written into the contract that I or the seller would provide a clean title within 3 weeks. I then paid off the lien holder, copied the seller on the check submitted to the lien holder and then provided him with a copy of the title. If either party did not honor the contract, it could be resolved in court. I have always felt this was sufficient, but if someone's objective was to screw me and the title was a forgery,( with today's computer is very possible), they probably could have. Today, I think I would contact the lien holder directly get the payoff amount, ask for a check to be made jointly to me and the lien holder and I would mail the check to the lien holder. "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:23:54 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: JohnH, Did the credit union warrant that the title was clean and clear? Since you purchased the boat, and used them to "borrow the money" and they were the lien holder, I would think it was up to you to provide them with a clean title, not up to them to provide you with a clean title. Or do you mean that since the title was clean enough for the Credit Union, it probably was a clean title? "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:52:02 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Reggie, When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know that the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any liens. Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one of those states. As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines and/or major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat with a warranty. Butch To overcome the 'title' problem, I financed the boat through the credit union and let them worry about getting the correct title, etc. Then, after a couple weeks, I paid off the loan. Total cost to me was about $25, well worth it. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes The credit union worked with the seller's bank to get the title. The seller still had a note on the boat which had to be paid off by the credit union. To answer your second question, I guess I assumed if it was clean enough for the credit union, it would be clean enough for me. I figured they had some quick and dirty way to check a title. How would one go about verifying a clean title? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes In California, and also Oregon, where I purchased my boat, the lien holder is listed on the title, just like on a car. Smithers must patronize "Midnight Boat Sales." And you must not comprehend that there are states in your region that do not issue titles for boats. |
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Harry,
If you are going to pretend you have me filtered, maybe it would work best if you didn't respond to my posts even 2nd hand. By the way, Yahoo and Comcast contacted me concerning your complaint about me "Spamming" you. I forwarded the two emails in question and they both realized that you were using the system to try to harass me. Since it would be very easy to block a user it was obvious to them that you reporting me as a SPAMMER was a feeble attempt to bring a NG disagreement out of the NG. This is a perfect example of why NO ONE should provide personal information in a NG. If you can try to screw someone based upon their Yahoo email, imagine what you would try if you knew a persons name. That might have been low for even for you. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... When I have sold or purchased boats in the past, I have written into the contract that I or the seller would provide a clean title within 3 weeks. I then paid off the lien holder, copied the seller on the check submitted to the lien holder and then provided him with a copy of the title. If either party did not honor the contract, it could be resolved in court. I have always felt this was sufficient, but if someone's objective was to screw me and the title was a forgery,( with today's computer is very possible), they probably could have. Today, I think I would contact the lien holder directly get the payoff amount, ask for a check to be made jointly to me and the lien holder and I would mail the check to the lien holder. "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:23:54 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: JohnH, Did the credit union warrant that the title was clean and clear? Since you purchased the boat, and used them to "borrow the money" and they were the lien holder, I would think it was up to you to provide them with a clean title, not up to them to provide you with a clean title. Or do you mean that since the title was clean enough for the Credit Union, it probably was a clean title? "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:52:02 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Reggie, When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know that the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any liens. Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one of those states. As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines and/or major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat with a warranty. Butch To overcome the 'title' problem, I financed the boat through the credit union and let them worry about getting the correct title, etc. Then, after a couple weeks, I paid off the loan. Total cost to me was about $25, well worth it. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes The credit union worked with the seller's bank to get the title. The seller still had a note on the boat which had to be paid off by the credit union. To answer your second question, I guess I assumed if it was clean enough for the credit union, it would be clean enough for me. I figured they had some quick and dirty way to check a title. How would one go about verifying a clean title? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes In California, and also Oregon, where I purchased my boat, the lien holder is listed on the title, just like on a car. Smithers must patronize "Midnight Boat Sales." |
Buying a Used Boat
Selling the boat to someone in a state that does not require a title is one
of the ways people will "wash" a stolen boat. "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... When I have sold or purchased boats in the past, I have written into the contract that I or the seller would provide a clean title within 3 weeks. I then paid off the lien holder, copied the seller on the check submitted to the lien holder and then provided him with a copy of the title. If either party did not honor the contract, it could be resolved in court. I have always felt this was sufficient, but if someone's objective was to screw me and the title was a forgery,( with today's computer is very possible), they probably could have. Today, I think I would contact the lien holder directly get the payoff amount, ask for a check to be made jointly to me and the lien holder and I would mail the check to the lien holder. "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:23:54 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: JohnH, Did the credit union warrant that the title was clean and clear? Since you purchased the boat, and used them to "borrow the money" and they were the lien holder, I would think it was up to you to provide them with a clean title, not up to them to provide you with a clean title. Or do you mean that since the title was clean enough for the Credit Union, it probably was a clean title? "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:52:02 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Reggie, When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know that the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any liens. Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one of those states. As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines and/or major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat with a warranty. Butch To overcome the 'title' problem, I financed the boat through the credit union and let them worry about getting the correct title, etc. Then, after a couple weeks, I paid off the loan. Total cost to me was about $25, well worth it. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes The credit union worked with the seller's bank to get the title. The seller still had a note on the boat which had to be paid off by the credit union. To answer your second question, I guess I assumed if it was clean enough for the credit union, it would be clean enough for me. I figured they had some quick and dirty way to check a title. How would one go about verifying a clean title? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes In California, and also Oregon, where I purchased my boat, the lien holder is listed on the title, just like on a car. Smithers must patronize "Midnight Boat Sales." And you must not comprehend that there are states in your region that do not issue titles for boats. |
Buying a Used Boat
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... Harry, If you are going to pretend you have me filtered, maybe it would work best if you didn't respond to my posts even 2nd hand. By the way, Yahoo and Comcast contacted me concerning your complaint about me "Spamming" you. I forwarded the two emails in question and they both realized that you were using the system to try to harass me. Since it would be very easy to block a user it was obvious to them that you reporting me as a SPAMMER was a feeble attempt to bring a NG disagreement out of the NG. This is a perfect example of why NO ONE should provide personal information in a NG. If you can try to screw someone based upon their Yahoo email, imagine what you would try if you knew a persons name. That might have been low for even for you. Too late for me. I was stalked by Harry till he found out my real name, my wife's name. He then made a couple of threats to me and went to the extent of getting a picture of our house. I am sure he has a full file of information on me now. Why does a person do this? |
Buying a Used Boat
The point isn't that Harry tried to get my ISP to cancel my account due to a
violation in the TOS, but if someone will do that when the only information he knows his a Yahoo Account and your ISP, you can imagine what damage someone can do if they knew more info. I would remind everyone to keep ALL personal information out of Newsgroups. " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message . .. "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... Harry, If you are going to pretend you have me filtered, maybe it would work best if you didn't respond to my posts even 2nd hand. By the way, Yahoo and Comcast contacted me concerning your complaint about me "Spamming" you. I forwarded the two emails in question and they both realized that you were using the system to try to harass me. Since it would be very easy to block a user it was obvious to them that you reporting me as a SPAMMER was a feeble attempt to bring a NG disagreement out of the NG. This is a perfect example of why NO ONE should provide personal information in a NG. If you can try to screw someone based upon their Yahoo email, imagine what you would try if you knew a persons name. That might have been low for even for you. Too late for me. I was stalked by Harry till he found out my real name, my wife's name. He then made a couple of threats to me and went to the extent of getting a picture of our house. I am sure he has a full file of information on me now. Why does a person do this? |
Buying a Used Boat
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-j "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. In a separate thread, there has been a discussion about buying a used boats. I have purchased both new and used boats, and if I was going to buy another boat I probably would buy a used boat. I thought it might be interested if everyone added their thoughts of buying a used boat vs. a new boat. To get the thread started I have listed a few ideas. Please add yours. Advantage of a used boat a 1. The new boats problems (and they all have a few gremlins) have probably been solved. 2. The boat will probably include many options or accessories that will be thrown in for free. 3. The other person is taking the big hit for depreciation that incurs as soon as the boat is taken off the dealers lot. Even if the boat is only 2 years old, you can probably save at least 20% off the cost of the same boat new. Any other benefits of a used boat? The disadvantage of a used boat: 1. There might be hidden problems, that even a survey and mechanic will not find. 2. You will not have the "new boat smell". 3. If you are going to finance the boat, you interest rates and down payment might be higher than new. 4. You need to be prepared to spend more time finding a good used boat at a reasonable price. It is easier to visit a boat show and check out many new boats in one location. Any other disadvantages of the used boat? |
Buying a Used Boat
When I bought my boat I got a title for the trailer but not for the boat.
(Indiana) "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. Bill, It is the same in my state, but it would be fairly easy for some to scan a legitimate title and change the info on the form. "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... When I have sold or purchased boats in the past, I have written into the contract that I or the seller would provide a clean title within 3 weeks. I then paid off the lien holder, copied the seller on the check submitted to the lien holder and then provided him with a copy of the title. If either party did not honor the contract, it could be resolved in court. I have always felt this was sufficient, but if someone's objective was to screw me and the title was a forgery,( with today's computer is very possible), they probably could have. Today, I think I would contact the lien holder directly get the payoff amount, ask for a check to be made jointly to me and the lien holder and I would mail the check to the lien holder. "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:23:54 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: JohnH, Did the credit union warrant that the title was clean and clear? Since you purchased the boat, and used them to "borrow the money" and they were the lien holder, I would think it was up to you to provide them with a clean title, not up to them to provide you with a clean title. Or do you mean that since the title was clean enough for the Credit Union, it probably was a clean title? "JohnH" wrote in message om... On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:52:02 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Reggie, When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know that the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any liens. Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one of those states. As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines and/or major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat with a warranty. Butch To overcome the 'title' problem, I financed the boat through the credit union and let them worry about getting the correct title, etc. Then, after a couple weeks, I paid off the loan. Total cost to me was about $25, well worth it. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes The credit union worked with the seller's bank to get the title. The seller still had a note on the boat which had to be paid off by the credit union. To answer your second question, I guess I assumed if it was clean enough for the credit union, it would be clean enough for me. I figured they had some quick and dirty way to check a title. How would one go about verifying a clean title? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes In California, and also Oregon, where I purchased my boat, the lien holder is listed on the title, just like on a car. |
Buying a Used Boat
I have always bought used (ok abused). Last summer I finally purchased new
and havent looked back. With new you have a 99.99999 chance of reliability. On a lake if your engine quits you just drift. On the river ( whre we boat) if the engine quits your gonna end up bouncing off a Lock and Dam. The reliability is the main reason I bought new. I love the fact that I can be downstream and not have to worry about turning the engine off. I know that it will start . "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. In a separate thread, there has been a discussion about buying a used boats. I have purchased both new and used boats, and if I was going to buy another boat I probably would buy a used boat. I thought it might be interested if everyone added their thoughts of buying a used boat vs. a new boat. To get the thread started I have listed a few ideas. Please add yours. Advantage of a used boat a 1. The new boats problems (and they all have a few gremlins) have probably been solved. 2. The boat will probably include many options or accessories that will be thrown in for free. 3. The other person is taking the big hit for depreciation that incurs as soon as the boat is taken off the dealers lot. Even if the boat is only 2 years old, you can probably save at least 20% off the cost of the same boat new. Any other benefits of a used boat? The disadvantage of a used boat: 1. There might be hidden problems, that even a survey and mechanic will not find. 2. You will not have the "new boat smell". 3. If you are going to finance the boat, you interest rates and down payment might be higher than new. 4. You need to be prepared to spend more time finding a good used boat at a reasonable price. It is easier to visit a boat show and check out many new boats in one location. Any other disadvantages of the used boat? |
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Reggie Smithers wrote:
Butch, I know if the boat is CG registered that the lien will be included on the registration, do most states include the lien holder on the boat title the way they do on car titles? I am not Butch :-) But we purchased a used boat this fall, Georgia does not have titles. You can scribble out a bill of sale on a piece of paper and the deal is done. We discussed the issue of "What if a load exist" on the boat and the Marina was willing to back up (in writing) that no leans existed as they had been the original seller of the boat (new) to the current owner. Who they new and had kept it in a the drystorage there after it was purchased. Our bill of sale states that no loans exist on the boat. The deal was done with a Marina doing the selling and representing the seller. But we were concerned about this. I would consult someone in the used boat business in your area on the best way to do a search for a load on a used boat. Now this spring I will be selling my old boat and all I have to show that it was fully paid for is a letter from the bank we had the original loan. Capt Jack R.. "Butch Davis" wrote in message ink.net... Reggie, When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know that the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any liens. Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one of those states. As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines and/or major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat with a warranty. Butch "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message m... In a separate thread, there has been a discussion about buying a used boats. I have purchased both new and used boats, and if I was going to buy another boat I probably would buy a used boat. I thought it might be interested if everyone added their thoughts of buying a used boat vs. a new boat. To get the thread started I have listed a few ideas. Please add yours. Advantage of a used boat a 1. The new boats problems (and they all have a few gremlins) have probably been solved. 2. The boat will probably include many options or accessories that will be thrown in for free. 3. The other person is taking the big hit for depreciation that incurs as soon as the boat is taken off the dealers lot. Even if the boat is only 2 years old, you can probably save at least 20% off the cost of the same boat new. Any other benefits of a used boat? The disadvantage of a used boat: 1. There might be hidden problems, that even a survey and mechanic will not find. 2. You will not have the "new boat smell". 3. If you are going to finance the boat, you interest rates and down payment might be higher than new. 4. You need to be prepared to spend more time finding a good used boat at a reasonable price. It is easier to visit a boat show and check out many new boats in one location. Any other disadvantages of the used boat? |
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Reggie Smithers wrote:
JimH, How can anyone know if the seller is being honest with the engine hours if their is not hour meter? For that matter, how can someone be sure if the seller is being honest about the engine hours even if their is an hour meter? Today's cars are set up to make it very hard to set back the mileage. I don't think there is anything similar for replacing the hour meter and just running the meter to provide a reasonable number of engine hours. You ask whether or not Krause is honest? Honest??? -- Skipper |
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Reggie Smithers wrote:
Harry, If you are going to pretend you have me filtered, maybe it would work best if you didn't respond to my posts even 2nd hand. By the way, Yahoo and Comcast contacted me concerning your complaint about me "Spamming" you. I forwarded the two emails in question and they both realized that you were using the system to try to harass me. Since it would be very easy to block a user it was obvious to them that you reporting me as a SPAMMER was a feeble attempt to bring a NG disagreement out of the NG. This is a perfect example of why NO ONE should provide personal information in a NG. If you can try to screw someone based upon their Yahoo email, imagine what you would try if you knew a persons name. That might have been low for even for you. I know from personal experience that Krause Will use any info against you. -- Skipper |
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Reggie Smithers wrote: JimH, How can anyone know if the seller is being honest with the engine hours if their is not hour meter? For that matter, how can someone be sure if the seller is being honest about the engine hours even if their is an hour meter? Today's cars are set up to make it very hard to set back the mileage. I don't think there is anything similar for replacing the hour meter and just running the meter to provide a reasonable number of engine hours. Which is precisely why an engine survey is so critical. Even *if* it can be convincingly established that there are "only 600 hours" on the engine, so what? Did the last owner beat the living stink out of the engine for 600 hours? If so, it could easily be ready to go toes up. Did the last owner cherish the engine and maintain it fastidiously? If so, there may be another 1000 hours or more left where that first 600 came from. A boat that "looks like it was well cared for" is no guarantee either. I remember one having two nearly identical 34 CHB's for sale. One arrived in "average" or maybe slightly better condition, and the other was such a blown out filthy pig when it came to the dock that we insisted the owner have it detailed before we put a "for sale" sign on it. The detailer did one heck of a job. Several people in a row came to look at both boats, and they all immediately indicated they would be much more interested in the (previously piggy) boat that had just been detailed because "It's obviously had much better care and attention from the previous owner." Even pointing out that one boat had been detailed and the other had not didn't sway any of those prospects to the actually better kept boat......seeing is believing. Fortunately the previously piggy boat passed a mechanical survey, and for all I know the buyer was happy with it for years afterward and maybe still is. Private maintenance log? Better than nothing, but could easily be dummied up by a conniving seller. Ask to see receipts for oil, filters, and tune-up parts in addition to entries in a spiral binder......(and remember to keep them if you oneday hope to impress some other skeptical buyer with your own maintenance log). Most convincing record is probably a series of work orders, from a shop, with engine hours and dates noted. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Skipper wrote: Reggie Smithers wrote: JimH, How can anyone know if the seller is being honest with the engine hours if their is not hour meter? For that matter, how can someone be sure if the seller is being honest about the engine hours even if their is an hour meter? Today's cars are set up to make it very hard to set back the mileage. I don't think there is anything similar for replacing the hour meter and just running the meter to provide a reasonable number of engine hours. You ask whether or not Krause is honest? Honest??? -- Skipper The data stored on the onboard computer on many modern outboard motors is quite revealing, a fact obviously unknown to Snipper and FourFeathersSmithers. I had the ECM replaced on my Suzuki at around 60 hours due to a recall. Twenty hours later, the oil light started flashing. Why? Because the engine was signaling me that it was due for the twenty hour service...even though it had 80 hours on it. The light failed to flash at the 100 hour mark for service...but started flashing at the 120 hour mark. There is a second recall on my boat for the ECM. After the replacement, my ECM will tell the technician that I have 0 hours on my engine. Obviously, it is quite possible that the onboard computer tells you nothing when you buy a new outboard. |
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