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" JimH" wrote in message
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"P. Fritz" wrote in message
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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Paul,

I am not sure if you statement about Harry is correct, but I would
think
most people would be hesitant to buy a boat from someone who says
"Guess my
price"? Harry is not only asking for JohnH to make an offer, but
even
after
JohnH makes his offer, Harry will not make a counter offer, he will
just
play the "Cold, Colder, getting Warmer" game. I have to be honest,
I
have
never heard of anyone selling anything with a "Standing Room Only"
attitude,
refusing to provide details of the product being sold, and refusing
to
provide an asking price or a even providing a counter offer.

Very strange indeed.

It does highlight one of the disadvantages of buying a used boat.
You
have
to contend with amateurs selling a boat who are too emotionally
attached or
who make unreasonable demands to the boat to facilitate the sale.

Maybe harry's wife is demanding he sell the boat ;-)

If I were selling a boat myself over the winter, I would have tarped
it, so that a potential buyer could look at it. After all the second
happiest day of boat ownership is when you sell it. Why would anyone
with any smarts make it difficult for a potential buyer?

Indeed. And if the decision to sell came after shrink wrapping the
seller
can easily have an access door installed, allowing for easy access yet
being
able to zipper it up tight. To mandate to a prospective buyer that the
boat
would have to be re-shrink wrapped if he/she wanted to look at the boat,
and
at their expense, is just plain crazy.

Around here, the brokers have all the "for sale" boats shrunk wrap in
clear plastic as well as having the access door.

Paul,

I know Chuck used to say he never would provide a sea trial until a contract
had been signed, but in my area it is normal to have a " sea trial" before a
contract is signed on trailer boats or boats less than 40' that are already
in the water .

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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Paul,

That brings up an excellent point. If you are selling the boat and you
want
to get the maximum price for the boat, you do need to make it very easy
for
the buyer to know all of the features and benefits of the boat, and
make it
easy for him to see the boat.

I would not provide a "sea trial" for someone just walking the docks,
but if
someone
had seen the boat and knew the "asking price" and made a reasonable
counter
offer, I would provide a sea trial to firm up my price. After all, if
you
have a "cherry of a boat" the buyer will not want to let it slip
through his
fingers. He will be more inclined to pay top price if he get behind
the
helm and his emotions started to take over.

Especially in boats of the size we are talking about.......it is
different for the mega yacht crowd, that has money to throw around, but
people that are buying in the under 40' range typically have a set budget,
and are not going to be willing to toss money at something for nothing.
(buy the time they pay for a survey, they are pretty much committed on
buying the boat)

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Paul,

I am not sure if you statement about Harry is correct, but I would
think
most people would be hesitant to buy a boat from someone who says
"Guess my
price"? Harry is not only asking for JohnH to make an offer, but
even
after
JohnH makes his offer, Harry will not make a counter offer, he will
just
play the "Cold, Colder, getting Warmer" game. I have to be honest,
I
have
never heard of anyone selling anything with a "Standing Room Only"
attitude,
refusing to provide details of the product being sold, and refusing
to
provide an asking price or a even providing a counter offer.

Very strange indeed.

It does highlight one of the disadvantages of buying a used boat.
You
have
to contend with amateurs selling a boat who are too emotionally
attached or
who make unreasonable demands to the boat to facilitate the sale.

Maybe harry's wife is demanding he sell the boat ;-)

If I were selling a boat myself over the winter, I would have
tarped
it, so that a potential buyer could look at it. After all the second
happiest day of boat ownership is when you sell it. Why would anyone
with any smarts make it difficult for a potential buyer?

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
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" JimH" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB"
wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we
really
buy
one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is
ideal
for
me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more
expense.
My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of
things
but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a
lot.
The
older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This
past 6
months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I
kept
her
at
pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard
about
for
years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length".
Do
others
here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want
a
bigger
boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After
a
while
I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that
Parker,
I'd
give
it
serious
thought.

There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000.
It
has
a
lesser
engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent."
Assume
for the moment it is. What's your best offer?
There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500:

http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13

That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the
electronics
included!
Thanks, NOYB.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible
and
necessary
to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw
deal
on
Krause's boat.

It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*,
especially
with
a seller reluctant to give even basic information about the
boat
(engine
hours).

Hehehe. I'm sure you, Smithers, and the rest of my "fans" here
would
love
to put the hex on any such deal.

John knows how to contact me. If he's a serious buyer he will.
My
reluctance is to do business *here* among the drooling idiots
like
you,
Skipper, Smithers, Fritz, et cetera.

Hey, if you don't know how to properly negotiate a deal or
properly
price a
boat that is your problem Harry.

I can see the spittle forming at the corners of you mouth when
you
reply to
me. After all, I proved you wrong about the boat weight and
the
total
weight of a 5.7L engine with Bravo II outdrive.

But that's OK Harry. You will get over it.

Most people that post here are too smart to ever do business with
someone
like harry.

On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 08:32:49 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 08:08:02 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:57:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:09:45 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:49:44 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:17:42 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:56:03 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"

wrote:

JohnH,
Here is anice Parker 2520 XL Pilothouse for $53.500

http://www.usedboats.com/used-boat-648705.htm

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really
buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for
me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more
expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things
but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The
older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6
months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her
at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for
years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do
others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger
boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while
I convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd
give it serious
thought.

There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has
a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer?
I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't
want to give a number
without having made the decision to go for another boat, which
would be a big
decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200).

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes
That *is* nice, and reasonably priced.
400+ engine hours.
Is that a lot for that Yamaha four stroke? How many are on yours?

A lot less.
Would you consider 400 hours a lot for that Yamaha 4-stroke?

A lot in terms of what, typical lifespan in hours? Depends. If they were
careful "Harry" hours, no. If they were 400 hours on the firewall, well,
yes, that would be a lot.

I'm not your typical outboarder, though. I watch the tach and the fuel
flow meter, not the speedometer.

So how many hours are on the engine?

Less than 400.

Why do you want to know? You're not a potential purchaser. It's not your
business.

A legitimate buyer will be allowed to see the service records.
So how many hours are on the engine?

I told you, if and when you become a serious purchaser, you can see the
service records. Otherwise, what difference does it make?
When you become a serious seller, let us know.

The boat's for sale, John. Make an offer subject to passing inspection
and we'll proceed from there. The boat's been winterized and covered, so
taking the plastic off and recovering it would be on your nickel.

Send me an email with your selling particulars. I'll keep it private.

Send me an email with what it is you want to know, as it were. Indicate
in that email the highest you'd go. If it is way too low, I'll tell you.
If it is low, but close, I'll tell you that, too. I'm more than willing
to make a fair deal but I am not interested in a giveaway.

Forget it.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 08:32:49 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 08:08:02 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:57:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:09:45 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:49:44 -0500, Harry Krause

wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:17:42 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:56:03 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"

wrote:

JohnH,
Here is anice Parker 2520 XL Pilothouse for $53.500

http://www.usedboats.com/used-boat-648705.htm

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we
really
buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is
ideal for
me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require
more
expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot
of things
but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a
lot. The
older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat.
This past 6
months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I
kept her
at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard
about for
years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length".
Do
others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want
a bigger
boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After
a while
I convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just
fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that
Parker, I'd
give it serious
thought.

There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for
$69,000. It has
a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be
an
"equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your
best offer?
I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I
wouldn't
want to give a number
without having made the decision to go for another boat,
which
would be a big
decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a
D200).

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible
and
necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes
That *is* nice, and reasonably priced.
400+ engine hours.
Is that a lot for that Yamaha four stroke? How many are on
yours?

A lot less.
Would you consider 400 hours a lot for that Yamaha 4-stroke?

A lot in terms of what, typical lifespan in hours? Depends. If
they were
careful "Harry" hours, no. If they were 400 hours on the
firewall, well,
yes, that would be a lot.

I'm not your typical outboarder, though. I watch the tach and the
fuel
flow meter, not the speedometer.

So how many hours are on the engine?

Less than 400.

Why do you want to know? You're not a potential purchaser. It's not
your
business.

A legitimate buyer will be allowed to see the service records.
So how many hours are on the engine?

I told you, if and when you become a serious purchaser, you can see
the
service records. Otherwise, what difference does it make?
When you become a serious seller, let us know.

The boat's for sale, John. Make an offer subject to passing inspection
and we'll proceed from there. The boat's been winterized and covered,
so
taking the plastic off and recovering it would be on your nickel.

Send me an email with your selling particulars. I'll keep it private.

Send me an email with what it is you want to know, as it were. Indicate
in that email the highest you'd go. If it is way too low, I'll tell you.
If it is low, but close, I'll tell you that, too. I'm more than willing
to make a fair deal but I am not interested in a giveaway.

Forget it.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Are you really that surprised John?

Buying a used boat (was Ideal size boat)

Reggie Smithers wrote:
This thread does bring up some interesting ON TOPIC discussion. How many
people would continue to negotiate with a seller who was using a "Standing
Room Only Close" when trying to sell his boat. Would you seriously consider
buying a boat from a seller whom would not discuss the number of hours on
the boat, the options available on the boat, or even allow you to see the
boat without making an offer? Besides making very specific demands on the
buyer, the seller refuses to even specify an " asking price" for the boat?

Would you continue to consider this boat or just move onto the next option?

with the number of used boats available in the marketplace, i'd just
assume drop my interest in this scenario. on the flip side, if it was
absolutely the boat i wanted, i would continue, even if the seller was
not acting in the same manner i would if i was in their position.

it should be a fairly simple process for an interested seller to search
a few sites, collect some comparisons and have a ball park number in
mind. make the offer and see what happens. i've done it myself in the
past and understand most all sellers usually believe the article is more
valuable to them than the buyer. my opinion is that the article is truly
worth only what a buyer will pay for it.

i've had similar scenarios where someone would come up and say "nice
boat, is it for sale?". technically not for sale or listed anywhere for
sale, but if i were get a fantabulous offer, practically everything i
own is subject to sale. i've answered in a similar manner of 'make me an
offer'. it is not my intention to make this a never ending process, but
if the buyer REALLY wanted it, they would make a serious offer. if they
are just fishing for a deal, keep on fishin...

Buying a used boat (was Ideal size boat)

On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:31:34 GMT, DownTime wrote:

Reggie Smithers wrote:
This thread does bring up some interesting ON TOPIC discussion. How many
people would continue to negotiate with a seller who was using a "Standing
Room Only Close" when trying to sell his boat. Would you seriously consider
buying a boat from a seller whom would not discuss the number of hours on
the boat, the options available on the boat, or even allow you to see the
boat without making an offer? Besides making very specific demands on the
buyer, the seller refuses to even specify an " asking price" for the boat?

Would you continue to consider this boat or just move onto the next option?

with the number of used boats available in the marketplace, i'd just
assume drop my interest in this scenario. on the flip side, if it was
absolutely the boat i wanted, i would continue, even if the seller was
not acting in the same manner i would if i was in their position.

it should be a fairly simple process for an interested seller to search
a few sites, collect some comparisons and have a ball park number in
mind. make the offer and see what happens. i've done it myself in the
past and understand most all sellers usually believe the article is more
valuable to them than the buyer. my opinion is that the article is truly
worth only what a buyer will pay for it.

i've had similar scenarios where someone would come up and say "nice
boat, is it for sale?". technically not for sale or listed anywhere for
sale, but if i were get a fantabulous offer, practically everything i
own is subject to sale. i've answered in a similar manner of 'make me an
offer'. it is not my intention to make this a never ending process, but
if the buyer REALLY wanted it, they would make a serious offer. if they
are just fishing for a deal, keep on fishin...

Sounds fair to me!

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

As you know, I got that Grady 30' Marlin 6 weeks ago, and put the Whaler
25' up for sale. I've had a half-dozen calls/emails on the boat, but no
serious buyers yet. My dad was down on vacation this past week, and he
was telling me he'd like to buy the boat if he had a place to keep it.
Long story short...he bought a trailer for it, and found a place to keep
it in covered dry-storage for when he retires down here next year. So
the Whaler is still in my family. We plan on trailering it over to the
east coast next month to chase the near-shore sailfish.

I discovered an interesting state of affairs regarding selling boats in
the area of Florida were we wintered. According to two brokers, it is
currently very difficult for them to sell a boat that the buyer is going
to finance. The problem is insurance. Because of the three hurricanes in
one year, insurance is hard to come by and, if you do find someone that
will insure, it is extremely expensive. I had several acceptable offers
for my 20' Scout when I had it for sale down there, but each deal fell
through because the buyer was financing and could not get the required
insurance. I ended up towing the boat back up to MA and will probably use
it for day trips.

I've never had a problem with Boat/US insurance...and they came in about 40%
cheaper than what an independent agent quoted me (he was quoting
Progressive...which I'd never use since their CEO is in bed with
moveon.org).

State Farm wouldn't write the boat even though I was with them for years,
because the boat was stored in a coastal region. Does anybody else see the
irony in the fact that they wouldn't insure a boat because it was too close
to the water?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

What are you planning on doing for a new boat if/when you sell the
Parker?

I'm looking at a couple of 30-32 footers at the moment, both diesel
inboards. One is a Bay-built pilothouse, the other is a name brand boat
made in Florida.

Personally, I like the Carolina boats in that size range with diesels:

Carolina Classic and Albemarle

Luhrs also makes a pretty boat in that size range.

Unfortunately, all draw too much water for my boating grounds.

Which Florida-built boat are you considering? Shamrock? I like the style
of the Shamrocks, but if you pound on the side, you'd think you were
pounding on a Bayliner.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
What are you planning on doing for a new boat if/when you sell the
Parker?
I'm looking at a couple of 30-32 footers at the moment, both diesel
inboards. One is a Bay-built pilothouse, the other is a name brand boat
made in Florida.

Personally, I like the Carolina boats in that size range with diesels:

Carolina Classic and Albemarle

Luhrs also makes a pretty boat in that size range.

Unfortunately, all draw too much water for my boating grounds.

Which Florida-built boat are you considering? Shamrock? I like the
style of the Shamrocks, but if you pound on the side, you'd think you
were pounding on a Bayliner.

A Luhrs.

They used to build those things across the bay from my old stompin' grounds
at the Jersey shore. My brother and I used to take our 13' Whaler and jump
the huge wakes made by the Mainship hulls they were sea-trialing. That
is...until we cracked the corners of the transom.

They moved the manufacturing facility to St. Augustine the same year that my
family and I moved from NJ to Indiana...in 1987.

Luhrs makes one of the prettiest looking boats out there...and the later
models seem to hold their value pretty well. They just draw too much water
for my area.

Reggie Smithers wrote:

Harry,

I have to agree with you on this one. I think you should be able to provide
as much or as little information as you feel comfortable doing. If you do
not feel comfortable discussing how often you use your boat or the number of
hours on your boat, you should not do it. I have trouble understanding why
this information should be secret, but that is your prerogative. I just
know I would never buy a boat from anyone who was not upfront with the
number of hours on the engine.

I for one, follow the advice of Internet Security Experts who recommend no
one provide any personal information in public newsgroups, and for that
reason I do keep my personal information (i.e. Name, telephone number,
social security number etc) off of rec.boats. I would actually recommend
anyone who uses their real name in change it to a handle. It would be too
easy for someone to use the internet to harass someone or cause them
financial or personal harm.

Harry WILL twist and then use any information against you if he has it.

--
Skipper