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[email protected] December 30th 05 01:31 AM

Gonna change the oil
 
With few people at work, its hard to get much done. Today I woulda got
more done on the boat but spent it at work. I'll go to the boat to
change the oil and engine zinc on my Yanmar 2GM tomorrow.
Tried to find some 600 ohm resistors at Radio Shack for my homemade
ultra-bright LED anchor light but no luck, will havta order em.


JimH December 30th 05 01:41 AM

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wrote in message
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With few people at work, its hard to get much done. Today I woulda got
more done on the boat but spent it at work. I'll go to the boat to
change the oil and engine zinc on my Yanmar 2GM tomorrow.
Tried to find some 600 ohm resistors at Radio Shack for my homemade
ultra-bright LED anchor light but no luck, will havta order em.


How much less power draw will that new LED anchor light have over a standard
12v light?



Eisboch December 30th 05 01:47 AM

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" JimH" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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With few people at work, its hard to get much done. Today I woulda got
more done on the boat but spent it at work. I'll go to the boat to
change the oil and engine zinc on my Yanmar 2GM tomorrow.
Tried to find some 600 ohm resistors at Radio Shack for my homemade
ultra-bright LED anchor light but no luck, will havta order em.


How much less power draw will that new LED anchor light have over a
standard 12v light?


I'd like to know also. Truckers are putting them all over their rigs and
they are *bright*. One my last trip to Florida, while driving at night, I
gave a trucker who was passing me the lights off/on routine to let him know
it was safe to pull back over. He flashed all his lights in a "thanks" and
damn near blinded me.

Eisboch



Eisboch December 30th 05 02:03 AM

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When I drop by work on the way to the coast tomorrow, I'll get the
specs from the LED package for current draw and calculate the power. I
am using 6 of the LEDs so it oughta be fairly bright. If I remember
right, it was less than 1/2 of a 12 watt bulb. I am speccing 1 watt
resistors for it though (6 resistors in parallel each in series with an
LED).


Are the LEDs part of the parallel branches of the circuit? Meaning:

12v_________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_________LED_________Ground
12v_________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_________LED_________Ground
12v_________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_________LED_________Ground
12v_________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_________LED_________Ground
12v_________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_________LED_________Ground
12v_________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_________LED_________Ground


or are they:

12v__________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\____________LED_____Ground
12v__________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_____l______ LED_____Ground
12v__________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_____l______ LED_____Ground
12v__________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_____l______ LED_____Ground
12v__________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_____l______ LED_____Ground
12v__________/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_____l______ LED_____Ground


???

Eisboch



[email protected] December 30th 05 02:07 AM

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First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


Wayne.B December 30th 05 02:10 AM

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On 29 Dec 2005 17:47:55 -0800, "
wrote:

If I remember
right, it was less than 1/2 of a 12 watt bulb. I am speccing 1 watt
resistors for it though (6 resistors in parallel each in series with an
LED).


=========================================

How many LEDs in series would it take to use no resistors at all?

Six 1 watt resistors per LED sounds like a lot of wasted power to me.


Eisboch December 30th 05 02:20 AM

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wrote in message
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First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


I was trying to roughly calculate the power requirements. You said 600 ohm
resistors, correct? The voltage drop on the LED will be minimal when
forward biased or "on", so each branch must be about .02 amps, times six
equals .12 amps, so the power must be about 12v times .12 or about 1.4
watts. Probably a bit more when you factor in the LED drop, whatever it is.
Significantly less than a regular light bulb!

Eisboch



Eisboch December 30th 05 02:26 AM

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


I was trying to roughly calculate the power requirements. You said 600
ohm resistors, correct? The voltage drop on the LED will be minimal when
forward biased or "on", so each branch must be about .02 amps, times six
equals .12 amps, so the power must be about 12v times .12 or about 1.4
watts. Probably a bit more when you factor in the LED drop, whatever it
is. Significantly less than a regular light bulb!

Eisboch


In fact, the more I think about it, somethings wrong here. I must have
misunderstood your hookup. Do you plan to use six, 600 ohm resistors in
parallel for *each* of the LED segments? If so, the power consumed will go
up big time. Or is it a single 600 ohm resistor per LED segment. If so,
one watt resistors won't hack it.

Eisboch



Bill McKee December 30th 05 02:33 AM

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


I was trying to roughly calculate the power requirements. You said 600
ohm resistors, correct? The voltage drop on the LED will be minimal when
forward biased or "on", so each branch must be about .02 amps, times six
equals .12 amps, so the power must be about 12v times .12 or about 1.4
watts. Probably a bit more when you factor in the LED drop, whatever it
is. Significantly less than a regular light bulb!

Eisboch


Most LED's are in the 400mw range.



Bill McKee December 30th 05 02:35 AM

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On 29 Dec 2005 17:47:55 -0800, "
wrote:

If I remember
right, it was less than 1/2 of a 12 watt bulb. I am speccing 1 watt
resistors for it though (6 resistors in parallel each in series with an
LED).


=========================================

How many LEDs in series would it take to use no resistors at all?

Six 1 watt resistors per LED sounds like a lot of wasted power to me.


1 watt resistor can dissipate 1 watt of power across it, does not mean there
will be that much power. We always used 1/4w resisters.



Eisboch December 30th 05 02:38 AM

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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wrote in message
ups.com...
First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


I was trying to roughly calculate the power requirements. You said 600
ohm resistors, correct? The voltage drop on the LED will be minimal when
forward biased or "on", so each branch must be about .02 amps, times six
equals .12 amps, so the power must be about 12v times .12 or about 1.4
watts. Probably a bit more when you factor in the LED drop, whatever it
is. Significantly less than a regular light bulb!

Eisboch


Most LED's are in the 400mw range.


Does that include the new, high powered ones? The are being used on trucks
for brake lights, turn signals and other places to replace bulbs. They are
incredibly bright. Maybe the brightness is due to optics being used, like a
Fresnel lens or something.

Eisboch




JimH December 30th 05 02:40 AM

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
ups.com...
First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


I was trying to roughly calculate the power requirements. You said 600
ohm resistors, correct? The voltage drop on the LED will be minimal when
forward biased or "on", so each branch must be about .02 amps, times six
equals .12 amps, so the power must be about 12v times .12 or about 1.4
watts. Probably a bit more when you factor in the LED drop, whatever it
is. Significantly less than a regular light bulb!

Eisboch


Most LED's are in the 400mw range.


How about the standard 12v bulb used for anchor lights?



[email protected] December 30th 05 02:44 AM

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OK, my recollection from a web site about LED use said to figure a
voltage drop of 3.4 volts for the white ultrabrights leaving about a 9
volt drop for the resistor. At 600 ohms, this gives about .015 amp
through each resistor and LED. Yes, the correct resistor wattage is
less than 1/4 watt but I hate blowing resistorswhen odd things happen
and space saving is not a consideration here. Radio Shack had nothing
even as alrge as 1/4 watt less than 1000 ohms.


Eisboch December 30th 05 02:44 AM

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" JimH" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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wrote in message
ups.com...
First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


I was trying to roughly calculate the power requirements. You said 600
ohm resistors, correct? The voltage drop on the LED will be minimal
when forward biased or "on", so each branch must be about .02 amps,
times six equals .12 amps, so the power must be about 12v times .12 or
about 1.4 watts. Probably a bit more when you factor in the LED drop,
whatever it is. Significantly less than a regular light bulb!

Eisboch


Most LED's are in the 400mw range.


How about the standard 12v bulb used for anchor lights?

I don't know what their wattage rating typically is. My guess would be
somewhere between 10 - 20 watts, given that they are required to be seen,
what, 2 miles away at night?

Eisboch



[email protected] December 30th 05 02:47 AM

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For the sake of comparison, a normal anchor light is 12 watts. These
LEDs are seriously bright, ordered em from Digi-Key.


Eisboch December 30th 05 02:47 AM

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wrote in message
oups.com...
OK, my recollection from a web site about LED use said to figure a
voltage drop of 3.4 volts for the white ultrabrights leaving about a 9
volt drop for the resistor. At 600 ohms, this gives about .015 amp
through each resistor and LED. Yes, the correct resistor wattage is
less than 1/4 watt but I hate blowing resistorswhen odd things happen
and space saving is not a consideration here. Radio Shack had nothing
even as alrge as 1/4 watt less than 1000 ohms.


That's what I really dislike about the "new" Radio Shack. I suspect once
their inventory of discrete components are gone, you won't be able to buy
*any* resistors, capacitors or anything there.

Eisboch



[email protected] December 30th 05 02:52 AM

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I'll admit, half the stuff I try doesnt work but i suspect this will.
Anothetr thing I am trying is to wire my solar panel as a way to turn
off the anchor light at night. I got the idea from a web site I saw so
I lay no claim to it. They connect a NC relay across the solar panel.
When it generates power, it powers the relay (30 mWatt) which turns off
the anchor light. Of course I'll incorporate a switch to turn off the
entire thing, relay incluided. Radio Shack did have the relay.


Eisboch December 30th 05 02:56 AM

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wrote in message
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I'll admit, half the stuff I try doesnt work but i suspect this will.
Anothetr thing I am trying is to wire my solar panel as a way to turn
off the anchor light at night. I got the idea from a web site I saw so
I lay no claim to it. They connect a NC relay across the solar panel.
When it generates power, it powers the relay (30 mWatt) which turns off
the anchor light. Of course I'll incorporate a switch to turn off the
entire thing, relay incluided. Radio Shack did have the relay.


You have a great attitude. People get smart not by always knowing what
works, but rather what doesn't. You never know until you try.

Eisboch



JimH December 30th 05 03:02 AM

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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" JimH" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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wrote in message
ups.com...
First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


I was trying to roughly calculate the power requirements. You said 600
ohm resistors, correct? The voltage drop on the LED will be minimal
when forward biased or "on", so each branch must be about .02 amps,
times six equals .12 amps, so the power must be about 12v times .12 or
about 1.4 watts. Probably a bit more when you factor in the LED drop,
whatever it is. Significantly less than a regular light bulb!

Eisboch


Most LED's are in the 400mw range.


How about the standard 12v bulb used for anchor lights?

I don't know what their wattage rating typically is. My guess would be
somewhere between 10 - 20 watts, given that they are required to be seen,
what, 2 miles away at night?

Eisboch



What is the benefit for a boater on the hook overnight besides having a
brighter anchor light? Is there a significant less draw on the house
battery over a 10 hour period?




[email protected] December 30th 05 03:06 AM

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Less than half the draw on the house battery.


Eisboch December 30th 05 03:08 AM

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" JimH" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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" JimH" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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wrote in message
ups.com...
First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


I was trying to roughly calculate the power requirements. You said
600 ohm resistors, correct? The voltage drop on the LED will be
minimal when forward biased or "on", so each branch must be about .02
amps, times six equals .12 amps, so the power must be about 12v times
.12 or about 1.4 watts. Probably a bit more when you factor in the
LED drop, whatever it is. Significantly less than a regular light
bulb!

Eisboch


Most LED's are in the 400mw range.


How about the standard 12v bulb used for anchor lights?

I don't know what their wattage rating typically is. My guess would be
somewhere between 10 - 20 watts, given that they are required to be seen,
what, 2 miles away at night?

Eisboch



What is the benefit for a boater on the hook overnight besides having a
brighter anchor light? Is there a significant less draw on the house
battery over a 10 hour period?


Yes.

These lights may be purchased with all the dropping resistors built into the
housing.
The OP is a do-it-yourselfer, enjoying the challange of designing his own
circuits.

Eisboch




[email protected] December 30th 05 03:10 AM

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There is a commercially available LED anchor light that sells for about
$113 but for some strange reason I had to try to make it myself. The
difference in cost is not significant when you consider what most of us
get paid/hr and the time it will take me. In fact, I'll probably lose
money so I am not sure why I am making it myself.


JimH December 30th 05 03:10 AM

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Less than half the draw on the house battery.


Thanks.

I take it this is not a cost effective thing for the casual night boater to
do, unless a brighter light and more visibility is wanted.



Eisboch December 30th 05 03:15 AM

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" JimH" wrote in message
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Less than half the draw on the house battery.


Thanks.

I take it this is not a cost effective thing for the casual night boater
to do, unless a brighter light and more visibility is wanted.


Brighter, they are, and that's not a bad thing. They also have a long life
when compared to a regular bulb. It would take a while to recover the
initial cost compared to the cost of replacement bulbs however.

Eisboch



[email protected] December 30th 05 03:30 AM

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If you have time on your hands, maybe it is cost effective. The LEDs
are about $2.00 each and the resistors cant be any more than $.50 each
and the relay is $4.50 for a total cost of components of about $20.00.


Eisboch December 30th 05 03:36 AM

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If you have time on your hands, maybe it is cost effective. The LEDs
are about $2.00 each and the resistors cant be any more than $.50 each
and the relay is $4.50 for a total cost of components of about $20.00.


I just checked a USCG approved LED anchor light. 3 watts at 12 volts.
2nm visibility.

Over 100 bucks.

Eisboch



-rick- December 30th 05 04:08 AM

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wrote:
OK, my recollection from a web site about LED use said to figure a
voltage drop of 3.4 volts for the white ultrabrights leaving about a 9
volt drop for the resistor. At 600 ohms, this gives about .015 amp
through each resistor and LED. Yes, the correct resistor wattage is
less than 1/4 watt but I hate blowing resistorswhen odd things happen
and space saving is not a consideration here. Radio Shack had nothing
even as alrge as 1/4 watt less than 1000 ohms.


It'd be more efficient to put 2 or 3 LED's in series with one resistor
so more of the power goes to lumens rather than heating resistors.

-rick-

Bill McKee December 30th 05 06:02 AM

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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wrote in message
ups.com...
First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


I was trying to roughly calculate the power requirements. You said 600
ohm resistors, correct? The voltage drop on the LED will be minimal
when forward biased or "on", so each branch must be about .02 amps,
times six equals .12 amps, so the power must be about 12v times .12 or
about 1.4 watts. Probably a bit more when you factor in the LED drop,
whatever it is. Significantly less than a regular light bulb!

Eisboch


Most LED's are in the 400mw range.


Does that include the new, high powered ones? The are being used on
trucks for brake lights, turn signals and other places to replace bulbs.
They are incredibly bright. Maybe the brightness is due to optics being
used, like a Fresnel lens or something.

Eisboch




Maybe a little more, but not much. The trucks use them for the same reason
I went to LED's on the boat trailer. Longevity. they do not have to waste
time, explaining to the cops why the clearance lights are not all working.
They are very voltage sensitive. to little voltage, not enough current and
the LED is black, increase voltage to a point and they get brighter,
increase more and they start getting dimmer, and too much voltage and they
are bright for a few milliseconds, and the magic smoke is released.



Bill McKee December 30th 05 06:04 AM

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wrote in message
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If you have time on your hands, maybe it is cost effective. The LEDs
are about $2.00 each and the resistors cant be any more than $.50 each
and the relay is $4.50 for a total cost of components of about $20.00.


There is a seller on EBAY from Asia, that sells the bright LED's for a
decent price. I think the shipping is for 20 at a time.



Bill McKee December 30th 05 06:06 AM

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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:15:47 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


" JimH" wrote in message
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Less than half the draw on the house battery.


Thanks.

I take it this is not a cost effective thing for the casual night boater
to do, unless a brighter light and more visibility is wanted.


Brighter, they are, and that's not a bad thing. They also have a long
life
when compared to a regular bulb. It would take a while to recover the
initial cost compared to the cost of replacement bulbs however.

Eisboch


When you are using a bunch of LEDs on a circuit you get every extra
one in series for free. Why waste power through 6 resistors. At least
go 3 and 3 starting with a resistor in the 100 ohm range. I bet they
will drop more than 2v each so you probably can't do six in series.
Even if they light you still want some resistance in there.


There are replacement LED lights that plug into the standard socket. May
have to do a google search for them.



K. Smith December 30th 05 07:17 AM

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wrote:
With few people at work, its hard to get much done. Today I woulda got
more done on the boat but spent it at work. I'll go to the boat to
change the oil and engine zinc on my Yanmar 2GM tomorrow.
Tried to find some 600 ohm resistors at Radio Shack for my homemade
ultra-bright LED anchor light but no luck, will havta order em.


It seems the LEDS are the thing, trucks etc & I assume your traffic stop
& speed limit lights are all LED arrays now??? Here they're replacing
them with LEDS, apparently much less power & of course if one dies the
traffic light is still functional.

Torches are all going LED & still seem to have plenty of punch.

As for anchor lights we have used them for about 3 yrs now, but we buy them.

The problem with using them as a "real" anchor light is compliance, in
the probably unlikely even you were run down in the night while at
anchor the insurance people would use whatever they could to claim you
were not using legal lighting.

The one on my boat is "maybe" visible at 2 miles, in complete darkness
you can see a pin prick of light but it's so tiny you're not sure if
it's just what you see when you look that hard at the dark:-) but by
well over a mile it's definitely in play & by 1 mile very clear.

Here the pleasure boat rules just require "visible" at 2 miles.

K

Eisboch December 30th 05 10:35 AM

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"K. Smith" wrote in message
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wrote:
With few people at work, its hard to get much done. Today I woulda got
more done on the boat but spent it at work. I'll go to the boat to
change the oil and engine zinc on my Yanmar 2GM tomorrow.
Tried to find some 600 ohm resistors at Radio Shack for my homemade
ultra-bright LED anchor light but no luck, will havta order em.


It seems the LEDS are the thing, trucks etc & I assume your traffic stop &
speed limit lights are all LED arrays now??? Here they're replacing them
with LEDS, apparently much less power & of course if one dies the traffic
light is still functional.

Torches are all going LED & still seem to have plenty of punch.

As for anchor lights we have used them for about 3 yrs now, but we buy
them.

The problem with using them as a "real" anchor light is compliance, in the
probably unlikely even you were run down in the night while at anchor the
insurance people would use whatever they could to claim you were not using
legal lighting.

The one on my boat is "maybe" visible at 2 miles, in complete darkness you
can see a pin prick of light but it's so tiny you're not sure if it's just
what you see when you look that hard at the dark:-) but by well over a
mile it's definitely in play & by 1 mile very clear.

Here the pleasure boat rules just require "visible" at 2 miles.

K


Here, at least some are being sold as "USCG approved" and suprisingly have
only 2 or 3 LEDs. Same requirements: visible at 2nm. Part of the
brightness secret is the use of a molded Fresnel lens. Even the truck
lights have mini Fresnel lens molded into the plastic housing. Fresnel lens
have been used in lighthouses since they were first built and concentrate
the light for maximum visibility.

Eisboch



Eisboch December 30th 05 12:36 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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K. Smith wrote:

As for anchor lights we have used them for about 3 yrs now, but we buy
them.



I wonder what that means in English?


I think it means she buys used anchor lights.

Eisboch



Reggie Smithers December 30th 05 03:06 PM

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JimH,

I have a deep cycle gel battery, When I use my anchor light, it has never
made it through the night without being completely discharged. Is this
normal?


" JimH" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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" JimH" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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wrote in message
ups.com...
First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


I was trying to roughly calculate the power requirements. You said
600 ohm resistors, correct? The voltage drop on the LED will be
minimal when forward biased or "on", so each branch must be about .02
amps, times six equals .12 amps, so the power must be about 12v times
.12 or about 1.4 watts. Probably a bit more when you factor in the
LED drop, whatever it is. Significantly less than a regular light
bulb!

Eisboch


Most LED's are in the 400mw range.


How about the standard 12v bulb used for anchor lights?

I don't know what their wattage rating typically is. My guess would be
somewhere between 10 - 20 watts, given that they are required to be seen,
what, 2 miles away at night?

Eisboch



What is the benefit for a boater on the hook overnight besides having a
brighter anchor light? Is there a significant less draw on the house
battery over a 10 hour period?






JimH December 30th 05 03:19 PM

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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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JimH,

I have a deep cycle gel battery, When I use my anchor light, it has never
made it through the night without being completely discharged. Is this
normal?


" JimH" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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" JimH" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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wrote in message
ups.com...
First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


I was trying to roughly calculate the power requirements. You said
600 ohm resistors, correct? The voltage drop on the LED will be
minimal when forward biased or "on", so each branch must be about
.02 amps, times six equals .12 amps, so the power must be about 12v
times .12 or about 1.4 watts. Probably a bit more when you factor in
the LED drop, whatever it is. Significantly less than a regular light
bulb!

Eisboch


Most LED's are in the 400mw range.


How about the standard 12v bulb used for anchor lights?

I don't know what their wattage rating typically is. My guess would be
somewhere between 10 - 20 watts, given that they are required to be
seen, what, 2 miles away at night?

Eisboch



What is the benefit for a boater on the hook overnight besides having a
brighter anchor light? Is there a significant less draw on the house
battery over a 10 hour period?







I never had that problem.

Something you can consider is a portable anchor light such as this one
http://tinyurl.com/akeg7



Reggie Smithers December 30th 05 03:37 PM

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JimH,

This is exactly what I need, it uses one tenth the power of a 12 volt bulb.

I saw that there were some all around LED lights to replace the 12 volt
bulbs, but they were substantially more expensive, and only saved 1/2 the
power.

I forgot to mention that the Gel Deep Cycle battery also powered the
refrigerator, so that is probably why it always died during the night.


" JimH" wrote in message
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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JimH,

I have a deep cycle gel battery, When I use my anchor light, it has never
made it through the night without being completely discharged. Is this
normal?


" JimH" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


I was trying to roughly calculate the power requirements. You said
600 ohm resistors, correct? The voltage drop on the LED will be
minimal when forward biased or "on", so each branch must be about
.02 amps, times six equals .12 amps, so the power must be about 12v
times .12 or about 1.4 watts. Probably a bit more when you factor
in the LED drop, whatever it is. Significantly less than a regular
light bulb!

Eisboch


Most LED's are in the 400mw range.


How about the standard 12v bulb used for anchor lights?

I don't know what their wattage rating typically is. My guess would be
somewhere between 10 - 20 watts, given that they are required to be
seen, what, 2 miles away at night?

Eisboch



What is the benefit for a boater on the hook overnight besides having a
brighter anchor light? Is there a significant less draw on the house
battery over a 10 hour period?







I never had that problem.

Something you can consider is a portable anchor light such as this one
http://tinyurl.com/akeg7





JohnH December 30th 05 03:48 PM

Gonna change the oil
 
I'll bet it was the bulb in the refrigerator that did it!


On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:37:53 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"
wrote:

JimH,

This is exactly what I need, it uses one tenth the power of a 12 volt bulb.

I saw that there were some all around LED lights to replace the 12 volt
bulbs, but they were substantially more expensive, and only saved 1/2 the
power.

I forgot to mention that the Gel Deep Cycle battery also powered the
refrigerator, so that is probably why it always died during the night.


" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
JimH,

I have a deep cycle gel battery, When I use my anchor light, it has never
made it through the night without being completely discharged. Is this
normal?


" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
.net...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
ups.com...
First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


I was trying to roughly calculate the power requirements. You said
600 ohm resistors, correct? The voltage drop on the LED will be
minimal when forward biased or "on", so each branch must be about
.02 amps, times six equals .12 amps, so the power must be about 12v
times .12 or about 1.4 watts. Probably a bit more when you factor
in the LED drop, whatever it is. Significantly less than a regular
light bulb!

Eisboch


Most LED's are in the 400mw range.


How about the standard 12v bulb used for anchor lights?

I don't know what their wattage rating typically is. My guess would be
somewhere between 10 - 20 watts, given that they are required to be
seen, what, 2 miles away at night?

Eisboch



What is the benefit for a boater on the hook overnight besides having a
brighter anchor light? Is there a significant less draw on the house
battery over a 10 hour period?







I never had that problem.

Something you can consider is a portable anchor light such as this one
http://tinyurl.com/akeg7





--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Reggie Smithers December 30th 05 03:50 PM

Gonna change the oil
 
JohnH,
You might be correct, we keep the refrigerator door open so we could have a
nightlight on. ; )


"JohnH" wrote in message
...
I'll bet it was the bulb in the refrigerator that did it!


On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:37:53 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"

wrote:

JimH,

This is exactly what I need, it uses one tenth the power of a 12 volt
bulb.

I saw that there were some all around LED lights to replace the 12 volt
bulbs, but they were substantially more expensive, and only saved 1/2 the
power.

I forgot to mention that the Gel Deep Cycle battery also powered the
refrigerator, so that is probably why it always died during the night.


" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
JimH,

I have a deep cycle gel battery, When I use my anchor light, it has
never
made it through the night without being completely discharged. Is this
normal?


" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
.net...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
ups.com...
First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one
single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


I was trying to roughly calculate the power requirements. You
said
600 ohm resistors, correct? The voltage drop on the LED will be
minimal when forward biased or "on", so each branch must be about
.02 amps, times six equals .12 amps, so the power must be about
12v
times .12 or about 1.4 watts. Probably a bit more when you factor
in the LED drop, whatever it is. Significantly less than a regular
light bulb!

Eisboch


Most LED's are in the 400mw range.


How about the standard 12v bulb used for anchor lights?

I don't know what their wattage rating typically is. My guess would
be
somewhere between 10 - 20 watts, given that they are required to be
seen, what, 2 miles away at night?

Eisboch



What is the benefit for a boater on the hook overnight besides having
a
brighter anchor light? Is there a significant less draw on the house
battery over a 10 hour period?







I never had that problem.

Something you can consider is a portable anchor light such as this one
http://tinyurl.com/akeg7





--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes




JimH December 30th 05 03:54 PM

Gonna change the oil
 

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH,
You might be correct, we keep the refrigerator door open so we could have
a nightlight on. ; )


"JohnH" wrote in message
...
I'll bet it was the bulb in the refrigerator that did it!


On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:37:53 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"

wrote:

JimH,

This is exactly what I need, it uses one tenth the power of a 12 volt
bulb.

I saw that there were some all around LED lights to replace the 12 volt
bulbs, but they were substantially more expensive, and only saved 1/2 the
power.

I forgot to mention that the Gel Deep Cycle battery also powered the
refrigerator, so that is probably why it always died during the night.


" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
JimH,

I have a deep cycle gel battery, When I use my anchor light, it has
never
made it through the night without being completely discharged. Is
this
normal?


" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
.net...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
ups.com...
First version, otherwise why use 6 resistors instead of one
single
lower ohmage one of higher power.


I was trying to roughly calculate the power requirements. You
said
600 ohm resistors, correct? The voltage drop on the LED will be
minimal when forward biased or "on", so each branch must be
about
.02 amps, times six equals .12 amps, so the power must be about
12v
times .12 or about 1.4 watts. Probably a bit more when you
factor
in the LED drop, whatever it is. Significantly less than a
regular
light bulb!

Eisboch


Most LED's are in the 400mw range.


How about the standard 12v bulb used for anchor lights?

I don't know what their wattage rating typically is. My guess would
be
somewhere between 10 - 20 watts, given that they are required to be
seen, what, 2 miles away at night?

Eisboch



What is the benefit for a boater on the hook overnight besides having
a
brighter anchor light? Is there a significant less draw on the
house
battery over a 10 hour period?







I never had that problem.

Something you can consider is a portable anchor light such as this one
http://tinyurl.com/akeg7





--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary
to resolve it."
Rene Descartes




It also keeps the cabin cool. ;-)



[email protected] December 30th 05 05:11 PM

Gonna change the oil
 

wrote:
With few people at work, its hard to get much done. Today I woulda got
more done on the boat but spent it at work. I'll go to the boat to
change the oil and engine zinc on my Yanmar 2GM tomorrow.
Tried to find some 600 ohm resistors at Radio Shack for my homemade
ultra-bright LED anchor light but no luck, will havta order em.



For those not inclined to make their own LED lights, here's a link to a
site with additional information about one particular brand:


http://www.mmboatyard.com/New_From_MMBoatyard.html



The one disadvantage to these lights, so far, is their cost. The offset
could be that for
any lights (like a masthead light) that some boaters might currently be
paying somebody to replace the price of installing one LED light that
should last 50,000 hours (will never wear out in typical pleasure boat
service) will be less than sending a worker up the mast
a second or third time during the ownership of the vessel.

They are very bright, and far more bulletproof than a lightbulb.

Lopo also makes interior cabin lights.



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