BoatBanter.com - Our Fuhrer has done it again

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:44:47 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:42:35 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

JohnH wrote:

He did not.

Ever read the 4th amendment to the Constitution?

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:54:48 -0800, Tamaroak
wrote:

And he admits violating the law

He did not.

and says he will do it again. It's
interesting to note that the special secret court organized to hear
the
probable cause for these wiretaps has only turned down one of them
and
that the NSA can proceed with a tap under the current law if they
obtain
a warrant within a specified period, 48 hours, I think. So, it would
appear that the only real reason to circumvent due process is to
prevent
the court from finding out who they are surveilling.

One of our legislators recently tried to remind him that it's
President
bush, not KING bush. If we don't step on this guy's fingers on this
one,
he's going to have all those in uniforms chasing those without.

Capt. Jeff

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Is the 4th Amendment where Bush admits violating the law? If not, then
of what pertinence is your
question?
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Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The 4th amendment is the law violated, on orders of the president.

Tamaroak said that Bush admitted violating the law. I said that Bush made
no such admission.

Your insertion of the 4th Amendment has no bearing on my statement.

Furthermore, you have no proof that a law was broken.

"The allegation of Presidential law-breaking rests solely on the fact that
Mr. Bush authorized wiretaps without first getting the approval of the court
established under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. But no
Administration then or since has ever conceded that that Act trumped a
President's power to make exceptions to FISA if national security required
it. FISA established a process by which certain wiretaps in the context of
the Cold War could be approved, not a limit on what wiretaps could ever be
allowed.
The courts have been explicit on this point, most recently in In Sealed
Case, the 2002 opinion by the special panel of appellate judges established
to hear FISA appeals. In its per curiam opinion, the court noted that in a
previous FISA case (U.S. v. Truong), a federal "court, as did all the other
courts to have decided the issue [our emphasis], held that the President did
have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign
intelligence information." And further that "we take for granted that the
President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not
encroach on the President's constitutional power

On Sunday Mr. Graham opined that "I don't know of any legal basis to go
around" FISA--which suggests that next time he should do his homework before
he implies on national TV that a President is acting like a dictator. (Mr.
Graham made his admission of ignorance on CBS's "Face the Nation," where he
was representing the Republican point of view. Democrat Joe Biden was
certain that laws had been broken, while the two journalists asking
questions clearly had no idea what they were talking about. So much for
enlightening television.)

The mere Constitution aside, the evidence is also abundant that the
Administration was scrupulous in limiting the FISA exceptions. They applied
only to calls involving al Qaeda suspects or those with terrorist ties. Far
from being "secret," key Members of Congress were informed about them at
least 12 times, President Bush said yesterday. The two district court judges
who have presided over the FISA court since 9/11 also knew about them.

Inside the executive branch, the process allowing the wiretaps was routinely
reviewed by Justice Department lawyers, by the Attorney General personally,
and with the President himself reauthorizing the process every 45 days. In
short, the implication that this is some LBJ-J. Edgar Hoover operation
designed to skirt the law to spy on domestic political enemies is nothing
less than a political smear."

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editor...l?id=110007703
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