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Sun Compass Skills
Here's the situation: You're 100 miles offshore and bailing to the
liferaft. You've become disoriented and have lost your bearings. You reach for the GPS-12 and find it's DOA. Among your options is the sun compass. Do you know how to make and use one? -- Skipper |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... Here's the situation: You're 100 miles offshore and bailing to the liferaft. You've become disoriented and have lost your bearings. You reach for the GPS-12 and find it's DOA. Among your options is the sun compass. Do you know how to make and use one? -- Skipper In this scenario what good is any sort of compass going to do for you Skipper? Do you plan on trying to paddle a life raft 100 miles to shore against a current? |
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Skipper wrote:
Here's the situation: You're 100 miles offshore and bailing to the liferaft. You've become disoriented and have lost your bearings. You reach for the GPS-12 and find it's DOA. Among your options is the sun compass. Do you know how to make and use one? Yes. Do you? To make an accurate sun compass requires an almanac and a watch. With a protractor, you could improvise if you had a good idea of the current declination of the sun. It's based loosely on the concept that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, and at local noon will be either directly south or directly north, depending on which hemisphere you're in. With a protractor, you can draw angles on a card (or directly on the deck) and interpolate direction between sunrise and sunset. Now, can you do the same thing for the moon? ;) Fair Skies Doug King |
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I look at the sun in the AM and know that is the east. In the PM I look at the sun and I know that is west. I am close? " JimH" wrote in message ... "Skipper" wrote in message ... Here's the situation: You're 100 miles offshore and bailing to the liferaft. You've become disoriented and have lost your bearings. You reach for the GPS-12 and find it's DOA. Among your options is the sun compass. Do you know how to make and use one? -- Skipper In this scenario what good is any sort of compass going to do for you Skipper? Do you plan on trying to paddle a life raft 100 miles to shore against a current? |
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DSK wrote:
Skipper wrote: Here's the situation: You're 100 miles offshore and bailing to the liferaft. You've become disoriented and have lost your bearings. You reach for the GPS-12 and find it's DOA. Among your options is the sun compass. Do you know how to make and use one? Yes. Do you? To make an accurate sun compass requires an almanac and a watch. With a protractor, you could improvise if you had a good idea of the current declination of the sun. It's based loosely on the concept that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, and at local noon will be either directly south or directly north, depending on which hemisphere you're in. With a protractor, you can draw angles on a card (or directly on the deck) and interpolate direction between sunrise and sunset. You may remember the incident about a year ago where a fellow on the West Coast lost all power and drifted for weeks off the Mexican coast because he'd lost his bearings and had no idea where North was. Knowledge of the sun compass method would have allowed him to ID North and sail quickly to shore. The point of this thread is to remind us of the easy to learn sun compass skill for determining North. -- Skipper |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote: Here's the situation: You're 100 miles offshore and bailing to the liferaft. You've become disoriented and have lost your bearings. You reach for the GPS-12 and find it's DOA. Among your options is the sun compass. Do you know how to make and use one? -- Skipper Why would such a situation be of any concern or interest to a drygulched wannabe sal****er boat like you, stuck forever in Derby, Kansas? You could spin yourself dizzy and you'd still be within spitting distance of Wichita. BTRW, whatever happened to your oft-announced plan to leave Derby, move to the coast, buy a long-distance trawler, and ply the oceans? Lotto ticket didn't pay off? He's gotta keep those dreams alive. When they're gone...what's left? |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... Here's the situation: You're 100 miles offshore and bailing to the liferaft. You've become disoriented and have lost your bearings. You reach for the GPS-12 and find it's DOA. Among your options is the sun compass. Do you know how to make and use one? -- Skipper check the backup gps first |
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:28:49 -0600, Skipper wrote:
Here's the situation: You're 100 miles offshore and bailing to the liferaft. You've become disoriented and have lost your bearings. You reach for the GPS-12 and find it's DOA. Among your options is the sun compass. Do you know how to make and use one? ========================================== From: http://www.griffithobs.org/IPS%20Pla...IPSViking.html The sun compass. This instrument draws on the fact that the sunīs shadow from the tip in the middle of a disk describes different hyperbolas at different times of the year. When you have the hyperbola representing 62° and the four weeks around summer solstice, you donīt have to know the time of the day in order to find the general directions. All you have to do is rotate the disk until the shadow of the tip falls on the hyperbola, and the general directions are given with an accuracy of a few degrees. One of the ingenious things about navigating with this instrument is that if you should choose the wrong gnomon curve and get a course that is a little too much north in the morning, this will be corrected in the afternoon by a slightly south bound course-and your average direction will be correct. ============================================ There's another old trick with an analog wrist watch where you put a matchstick (or similar) vertically over the middle. Rotate the watch until the shadow falls along the hour hand (that's the little one). North is roughly in the direction of 12 o'clock. Works best spring and fall in the northern hemisphere. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote:
The sun compass. This instrument draws on the fact that the sunīs shadow from the tip in the middle of a disk describes different hyperbolas at different times of the year. When you have the hyperbola representing 62° and the four weeks around summer solstice, you donīt have to know the time of the day in order to find the general directions. All you have to do is rotate the disk until the shadow of the tip falls on the hyperbola, and the general directions are given with an accuracy of a few degrees. One of the ingenious things about navigating with this instrument is that if you should choose the wrong gnomon curve and get a course that is a little too much north in the morning, this will be corrected in the afternoon by a slightly south bound course-and your average direction will be correct. Another simple method: http://tinyurl.com/aub5l -- Skipper |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... DSK wrote: Skipper wrote: Here's the situation: You're 100 miles offshore and bailing to the liferaft. You've become disoriented and have lost your bearings. You reach for the GPS-12 and find it's DOA. Among your options is the sun compass. Do you know how to make and use one? Yes. Do you? To make an accurate sun compass requires an almanac and a watch. With a protractor, you could improvise if you had a good idea of the current declination of the sun. It's based loosely on the concept that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, and at local noon will be either directly south or directly north, depending on which hemisphere you're in. With a protractor, you can draw angles on a card (or directly on the deck) and interpolate direction between sunrise and sunset. You may remember the incident about a year ago where a fellow on the West Coast lost all power and drifted for weeks off the Mexican coast because he'd lost his bearings and had no idea where North was. Knowledge of the sun compass method would have allowed him to ID North and sail quickly to shore. The point of this thread is to remind us of the easy to learn sun compass skill for determining North. -- Skipper He could not find his way to an Island 26 miles away, that can be seen from the mainland. He could have looked at the sunrise and figured out which way the closest land was. And he is going to be able to improvise a compass? |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:28:49 -0600, Skipper wrote: Here's the situation: You're 100 miles offshore and bailing to the liferaft. You've become disoriented and have lost your bearings. You reach for the GPS-12 and find it's DOA. Among your options is the sun compass. Do you know how to make and use one? snip There's another old trick with an analog wrist watch where you put a matchstick (or similar) vertically over the middle. Rotate the watch until the shadow falls along the hour hand (that's the little one). North is roughly in the direction of 12 o'clock. Works best spring and fall in the northern hemisphere. No, think what happens at 6AM :-) Its actually something like point the hour hand at the sun and SOUTH is half way between the hour hand and 12 o'clock (or North in the Southern hemisphere). -- Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED) ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk [at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & 32K emails -- NUL: 'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Early 60's, Uffa Fox designed, All varnished hot moulded wooden racing dinghy. |
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Bill McKee wrote:
You may remember the incident about a year ago where a fellow on the West Coast lost all power and drifted for weeks off the Mexican coast because he'd lost his bearings and had no idea where North was. Knowledge of the sun compass method would have allowed him to ID North and sail quickly to shore. The point of this thread is to remind us of the easy to learn sun compass skill for determining North. He could not find his way to an Island 26 miles away, that can be seen from the mainland. He could have looked at the sunrise and figured out which way the closest land was. And he is going to be able to improvise a compass? I thought so too at the time, but can also understand how someone can become disoriented at sea. Had he been versed in emergency orientation skills it's likely he would not have froze...hence a major reason for *this* thread. If these methods are practiced *beforehand*, much less chance of going dumb when it counts. -- Skipper |
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Harry,
Do you keep a ditch bag in both of your boats, or do you transfer them when you are going offshore? "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan J.S. wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... Here's the situation: You're 100 miles offshore and bailing to the liferaft. You've become disoriented and have lost your bearings. You reach for the GPS-12 and find it's DOA. Among your options is the sun compass. Do you know how to make and use one? -- Skipper check the backup gps first Skipper apparently is too stupid to carry a hand bearing compass in his ditch bag. Oh, wait. Skipper doesn't have a ditch bag. He doesn't have a boat. -- Hurricane Bush - the Real Disaster |
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:43:05 -0600, Skipper wrote:
Another simple method: http://tinyurl.com/aub5l =============================== Yes, when lost at sea without a compass, find a tree, and see which side the moss is on. Perfect. |
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:53:14 +0000, Ian Malcolm
wrote: Its actually something like point the hour hand at the sun and SOUTH is half way between the hour hand and 12 o'clock (or North in the Southern hemisphere). ============================ What ever works for you. What I do at 6:00AM is roll over and try to get some more sleep. If that doesn't work and I still want to know where east is, I look to see where the sun is coming up. |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
Here's a quick hint: Sun comes up in the East and goes down in the West. Are you sure? Can you give us some references to back up this assertions? ...Since you didn't specify that you had a chart, why would you need more accuracy. Why would one not have charts? And a coast pilot would be just as useful anyway. Your example reminds me of a Mayday call the Oak Island Lighthouse got one evening. The captain of the boat reported that he was lost. The Coastie manning the radio asked the boater if he could see anything identifiable. The boater replied that he could only see some coastal lights and a lighthouse. It's always about the petty details, aint' it? DSK |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
Why would one not have charts? Because one is an idiot and/or has never ventured past the praise except in one's mind. And a coast pilot would be just as useful anyway. And how would that be beneficial to the pilot of a praise schooner? There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. Plug just about any inquiry into Deja/Google and you'd find great information from this group. Not anymore. Today...400 posts of garbage...and from 'contributors' who have very little practical knowledge of boats AND boating. The knowledgeable sources have gone to saner climes. Just look at the posts from the NG's most prolific offenders; Harry Krause, Doug Kanter, Bert Robbins, Alt_man2, JimH, JohnH, P. Fitz, or Gene Kearns. Research the archives for ANY relevant subject...these folks are totally void of useful boating information in the archives. You will not see this current crop of know nothings being the source for anything useful. Face it, rec.boats is a bad joke to serious boaters...as are those who continue to contribute to the pollution. Go ahead fellas, make a name for yourselves... -- Skipper |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... Gene Kearns wrote: Why would one not have charts? Because one is an idiot and/or has never ventured past the praise except in one's mind. And a coast pilot would be just as useful anyway. And how would that be beneficial to the pilot of a praise schooner? There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. Plug just about any inquiry into Deja/Google and you'd find great information from this group. Not anymore. Today...400 posts of garbage...and from 'contributors' who have very little practical knowledge of boats AND boating. The knowledgeable sources have gone to saner climes. Just look at the posts from the NG's most prolific offenders; Harry Krause, Doug Kanter, Bert Robbins, Alt_man2, JimH, JohnH, P. Fitz, or Gene Kearns. Research the archives for ANY relevant subject...these folks are totally void of useful boating information in the archives. You will not see this current crop of know nothings being the source for anything useful. Face it, rec.boats is a bad joke to serious boaters...as are those who continue to contribute to the pollution. Go ahead fellas, make a name for yourselves... -- Skipper So tell us about your boat and your boating adventures in Derby, Kansas Skipper. What sort of trips did you take these past years on your boat? BTW: If I remember right *you* came here just recently after a prolonged absence only to spread lies about several members here, most especially Chuck Gould. This went on for weeks. You have also not contributed one iota to any discussion about boats since you came back. You have, however, dug up some old posts you made years back about an adventure to the Sea of Cortez and fighting 20 foot waves in a 24 foot Bayliner. You have also bitched and moaned and started flame wars. Go back to hiding Skippy. We were better off without you here. |
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" JimH" wrote in message ... "Skipper" wrote in message ... Gene Kearns wrote: Why would one not have charts? Because one is an idiot and/or has never ventured past the praise except in one's mind. And a coast pilot would be just as useful anyway. And how would that be beneficial to the pilot of a praise schooner? There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. Plug just about any inquiry into Deja/Google and you'd find great information from this group. Not anymore. Today...400 posts of garbage...and from 'contributors' who have very little practical knowledge of boats AND boating. The knowledgeable sources have gone to saner climes. Just look at the posts from the NG's most prolific offenders; Harry Krause, Doug Kanter, Bert Robbins, Alt_man2, JimH, JohnH, P. Fitz, or Gene Kearns. Research the archives for ANY relevant subject...these folks are totally void of useful boating information in the archives. You will not see this current crop of know nothings being the source for anything useful. Face it, rec.boats is a bad joke to serious boaters...as are those who continue to contribute to the pollution. Go ahead fellas, make a name for yourselves... -- Skipper So tell us about your boat and your boating adventures in Derby, Kansas Skipper. What sort of trips did you take these past years on your boat? BTW: If I remember right *you* came here just recently after a prolonged absence only to spread lies about several members here, most especially Chuck Gould. This went on for weeks. You have also not contributed one iota to any discussion about boats since you came back. You have, however, dug up some old posts you made years back about an adventure to the Sea of Cortez and fighting 20 foot waves in a 24 foot Bayliner. You have also bitched and moaned and started flame wars. Go back to hiding Skippy. We were better off without you here. Skipper has become the Jimmy Swagart (sp?) of the NG |
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Wayne.B wrote: What ever works for you. What I do at 6:00AM is roll over and try to get some more sleep. If that doesn't work and I still want to know where east is, I look to see where the sun is coming up. My bed faces the east, with a large window on the east wall, I have no problem getting up and not knowing which way east is. seeing the road in front of my house runs dead north/south, and I go to work by turning right at the end of my driveway, I have no probllem knowing which way north is. Concerning sailing? I don't need to know which way north is, because I only go to a large S. Illinois lake. |
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JimH wrote:
There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. Plug just about any inquiry into Deja/Google and you'd find great information from this group. Not anymore. Today...400 posts of garbage...and from 'contributors' who have very little practical knowledge of boats AND boating. The knowledgeable sources have gone to saner climes. Just look at the posts from the NG's most prolific offenders; Harry Krause, Doug Kanter, Bert Robbins, Alt_man2, JimH, JohnH, P. Fitz, or Gene Kearns. Research the archives for ANY relevant subject...these folks are totally void of useful boating information in the archives. You will not see this current crop of know nothings being the source for anything useful. Face it, rec.boats is a bad joke to serious boaters...as are those who continue to contribute to the pollution. Go ahead fellas, make a name for yourselves... You have also not contributed one iota to any discussion about boats since you came back. You have, however, dug up some old posts you made years back Perhaps I was in error to include you in the list of the worst NG polluters. Would you care to point us toward a couple useful and informative boating posts of yours we can find in the Google archives? ....Didn't think so. And that was the message here...useful contributions versus uselessness. Time for you folks to find something useful to do. -- Skipper |
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:50:29 -0600, Skipper wrote:
There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. ====================================== You didn't say what kind of information you were looking for. That would be a good start. I have actually noticed some signs of improvement recently. Lead by example. |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. Plug just about any inquiry into Deja/Google and you'd find great information from this group. Not anymore. Today...400 posts of garbage...and from 'contributors' who have very little practical knowledge of boats AND boating. The knowledgeable sources have gone to saner climes. Just look at the posts from the NG's most prolific offenders; Harry Krause, Doug Kanter, Bert Robbins, Alt_man2, JimH, JohnH, P. Fitz, or Gene Kearns. Research the archives for ANY relevant subject...these folks are totally void of useful boating information in the archives. You will not see this current crop of know nothings being the source for anything useful. Face it, rec.boats is a bad joke to serious boaters...as are those who continue to contribute to the pollution. Go ahead fellas, make a name for yourselves... You have also not contributed one iota to any discussion about boats since you came back. You have, however, dug up some old posts you made years back Perhaps I was in error to include you in the list of the worst NG polluters. Would you care to point us toward a couple useful and informative boating posts of yours we can find in the Google archives? ...Didn't think so. And that was the message here...useful contributions versus uselessness. Time for you folks to find something useful to do. -- Skipper Solly Challie, but you haven't tried then. But a quick Google of your posts since you came here shows nothing but you whining, lying and preaching. Get a life Skipper. And then try looking in the mirror. |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. Plug just about any inquiry into Deja/Google and you'd find great information from this group. Not anymore. Today...400 posts of garbage...and from 'contributors' who have very little practical knowledge of boats AND boating. The knowledgeable sources have gone to saner climes. Just look at the posts from the NG's most prolific offenders; Harry Krause, Doug Kanter, Bert Robbins, Alt_man2, JimH, JohnH, P. Fitz, or Gene Kearns. Research the archives for ANY relevant subject...these folks are totally void of useful boating information in the archives. You will not see this current crop of know nothings being the source for anything useful. Face it, rec.boats is a bad joke to serious boaters...as are those who continue to contribute to the pollution. Go ahead fellas, make a name for yourselves... You have also not contributed one iota to any discussion about boats since you came back. You have, however, dug up some old posts you made years back Perhaps I was in error to include you in the list of the worst NG polluters. Would you care to point us toward a couple useful and informative boating posts of yours we can find in the Google archives? ...Didn't think so. And that was the message here...useful contributions versus uselessness. Time for you folks to find something useful to do. -- Skipper |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. Plug just about any inquiry into Deja/Google and you'd find great information from this group. Not anymore. Today...400 posts of garbage...and from 'contributors' who have very little practical knowledge of boats AND boating. The knowledgeable sources have gone to saner climes. Just look at the posts from the NG's most prolific offenders; Harry Krause, Doug Kanter, Bert Robbins, Alt_man2, JimH, JohnH, P. Fitz, or Gene Kearns. Research the archives for ANY relevant subject...these folks are totally void of useful boating information in the archives. You will not see this current crop of know nothings being the source for anything useful. Face it, rec.boats is a bad joke to serious boaters...as are those who continue to contribute to the pollution. Go ahead fellas, make a name for yourselves... You have also not contributed one iota to any discussion about boats since you came back. You have, however, dug up some old posts you made years back Perhaps I was in error to include you in the list of the worst NG polluters. Would you care to point us toward a couple useful and informative boating posts of yours we can find in the Google archives? ...Didn't think so. And that was the message here...useful contributions versus uselessness. Time for you folks to find something useful to do. -- Skipper Next time, include my entire post please. =================================== Here was my original post that you conveniently clipped in parts: So tell us about your boat and your boating adventures in Derby, Kansas Skipper. What sort of trips did you take these past years on your boat? BTW: If I remember right *you* came here just recently after a prolonged absence only to spread lies about several members here, most especially Chuck Gould. This went on for weeks. You have also not contributed one iota to any discussion about boats since you came back. You have, however, dug up some old posts you made years back about an adventure to the Sea of Cortez and fighting 20 foot waves in a 24 foot Bayliner. You have also bitched and moaned and started flame wars. Go back to hiding Skippy. We were better off without you here. ============= |
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JimH wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. Plug just about any inquiry into Deja/Google and you'd find great information from this group. Not anymore. Today...400 posts of garbage...and from 'contributors' who have very little practical knowledge of boats AND boating. The knowledgeable sources have gone to saner climes. Just look at the posts from the NG's most prolific offenders; Harry Krause, Doug Kanter, Bert Robbins, Alt_man2, JimH, JohnH, P. Fitz, or Gene Kearns. Research the archives for ANY relevant subject...these folks are totally void of useful boating information in the archives. You will not see this current crop of know nothings being the source for anything useful. Face it, rec.boats is a bad joke to serious boaters...as are those who continue to contribute to the pollution. Go ahead fellas, make a name for yourselves... You have also not contributed one iota to any discussion about boats since you came back. You have, however, dug up some old posts you made years back Perhaps I was in error to include you in the list of the worst NG polluters. Would you care to point us toward a couple useful and informative boating posts of yours we can find in the Google archives? ...Didn't think so. And that was the message here...useful contributions versus uselessness. Time for you folks to find something useful to do. -- Skipper Solly Challie, but you haven't tried then. But a quick Google of your posts since you came here shows nothing but you whining, lying and preaching. Holy ****, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!!!!! |
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:51:04 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Wayne, with that one, you are http://tinyurl.com/bvnds ======================= I've been called worse. |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:00:01 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:53:14 +0000, Ian Malcolm wrote: Its actually something like point the hour hand at the sun and SOUTH is half way between the hour hand and 12 o'clock (or North in the Southern hemisphere). ============================ What ever works for you. What I do at 6:00AM is roll over and try to get some more sleep. If that doesn't work and I still want to know where east is, I look to see where the sun is coming up. What if it's cloudy out? Means the weather is bad, and time to stay in bed. And if in bed, who cares which way East is? |
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:54:15 -0600, Skipper wrote:
JimH wrote: There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. Plug just about any inquiry into Deja/Google and you'd find great information from this group. Not anymore. Today...400 posts of garbage...and from 'contributors' who have very little practical knowledge of boats AND boating. The knowledgeable sources have gone to saner climes. Just look at the posts from the NG's most prolific offenders; Harry Krause, Doug Kanter, Bert Robbins, Alt_man2, JimH, JohnH, P. Fitz, or Gene Kearns. Research the archives for ANY relevant subject...these folks are totally void of useful boating information in the archives. You will not see this current crop of know nothings being the source for anything useful. Face it, rec.boats is a bad joke to serious boaters...as are those who continue to contribute to the pollution. Go ahead fellas, make a name for yourselves... You have also not contributed one iota to any discussion about boats since you came back. You have, however, dug up some old posts you made years back Perhaps I was in error to include you in the list of the worst NG polluters. Would you care to point us toward a couple useful and informative boating posts of yours we can find in the Google archives? ...Didn't think so. And that was the message here...useful contributions versus uselessness. Time for you folks to find something useful to do. You've not looked too hard, Skipper. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** |
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:25:32 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:50:29 -0600, Skipper wrote: There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. ====================================== You didn't say what kind of information you were looking for. That would be a good start. I have actually noticed some signs of improvement recently. Lead by example. Agreed. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:54:15 -0600, Skipper wrote: JimH wrote: There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. Plug just about any inquiry into Deja/Google and you'd find great information from this group. Not anymore. Today...400 posts of garbage...and from 'contributors' who have very little practical knowledge of boats AND boating. The knowledgeable sources have gone to saner climes. Just look at the posts from the NG's most prolific offenders; Harry Krause, Doug Kanter, Bert Robbins, Alt_man2, JimH, JohnH, P. Fitz, or Gene Kearns. Research the archives for ANY relevant subject...these folks are totally void of useful boating information in the archives. You will not see this current crop of know nothings being the source for anything useful. Face it, rec.boats is a bad joke to serious boaters...as are those who continue to contribute to the pollution. Go ahead fellas, make a name for yourselves... You have also not contributed one iota to any discussion about boats since you came back. You have, however, dug up some old posts you made years back Perhaps I was in error to include you in the list of the worst NG polluters. Would you care to point us toward a couple useful and informative boating posts of yours we can find in the Google archives? ...Didn't think so. And that was the message here...useful contributions versus uselessness. Time for you folks to find something useful to do. You've not looked too hard, Skipper. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** Thank you John. |
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JohnH wrote:
Skipper wrote: JimH wrote: There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. Plug just about any inquiry into Deja/Google and you'd find great information from this group. Not anymore. Today...400 posts of garbage...and from 'contributors' who have very little practical knowledge of boats AND boating. The knowledgeable sources have gone to saner climes. Just look at the posts from the NG's most prolific offenders; Harry Krause, Doug Kanter, Bert Robbins, Alt_man2, JimH, JohnH, P. Fitz, or Gene Kearns. Research the archives for ANY relevant subject...these folks are totally void of useful boating information in the archives. You will not see this current crop of know nothings being the source for anything useful. Face it, rec.boats is a bad joke to serious boaters...as are those who continue to contribute to the pollution. Go ahead fellas, make a name for yourselves... You have also not contributed one iota to any discussion about boats since you came back. You have, however, dug up some old posts you made years back Perhaps I was in error to include you in the list of the worst NG polluters. Would you care to point us toward a couple useful and informative boating posts of yours we can find in the Google archives? ...Didn't think so. And that was the message here...useful contributions versus uselessness. Time for you folks to find something useful to do. You've not looked too hard, Skipper. Actually, I have looked, JimH is one of the worst offenders. There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information, but no more. Harry's barbs and insults drew in far too many non-boaters who see NG participation as a game where nonsense prevails. The unique position of this NG to provide a variety of viewpoints to an on-topic subject has been overcome and swamped by tons of insults and gibberish. Serious boaters are no longer the driving force of this NG...and it ain't about to change. -- Skipper |
Rec.Boats Dead as Useful NG
Skipper,
It might not change, but the suggestion to start on topic posts, and ignore the Off Topic trolls for the next week is a start. Sort of like an alcoholic, we just need to take one day at a time. "Skipper" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: Skipper wrote: JimH wrote: There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. Plug just about any inquiry into Deja/Google and you'd find great information from this group. Not anymore. Today...400 posts of garbage...and from 'contributors' who have very little practical knowledge of boats AND boating. The knowledgeable sources have gone to saner climes. Just look at the posts from the NG's most prolific offenders; Harry Krause, Doug Kanter, Bert Robbins, Alt_man2, JimH, JohnH, P. Fitz, or Gene Kearns. Research the archives for ANY relevant subject...these folks are totally void of useful boating information in the archives. You will not see this current crop of know nothings being the source for anything useful. Face it, rec.boats is a bad joke to serious boaters...as are those who continue to contribute to the pollution. Go ahead fellas, make a name for yourselves... You have also not contributed one iota to any discussion about boats since you came back. You have, however, dug up some old posts you made years back Perhaps I was in error to include you in the list of the worst NG polluters. Would you care to point us toward a couple useful and informative boating posts of yours we can find in the Google archives? ...Didn't think so. And that was the message here...useful contributions versus uselessness. Time for you folks to find something useful to do. You've not looked too hard, Skipper. Actually, I have looked, JimH is one of the worst offenders. There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information, but no more. Harry's barbs and insults drew in far too many non-boaters who see NG participation as a game where nonsense prevails. The unique position of this NG to provide a variety of viewpoints to an on-topic subject has been overcome and swamped by tons of insults and gibberish. Serious boaters are no longer the driving force of this NG...and it ain't about to change. -- Skipper |
Rec.Boats Dead as Useful NG
"Skipper" wrote in message ... Serious boaters are no longer the driving force of this NG...and it ain't about to change. -- Skipper I just looked at my outdoor thermometer. Hard to take boating seriously at the moment. Eisboch |
Sun Compass Skills
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:08:08 GMT, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:00:01 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:53:14 +0000, Ian Malcolm wrote: Its actually something like point the hour hand at the sun and SOUTH is half way between the hour hand and 12 o'clock (or North in the Southern hemisphere). ============================ What ever works for you. What I do at 6:00AM is roll over and try to get some more sleep. If that doesn't work and I still want to know where east is, I look to see where the sun is coming up. What if it's cloudy out? Means the weather is bad, and time to stay in bed. And if in bed, who cares which way East is? What if you were Muslim? Speaking of which, does anybody know if Muslims East of Mecca are required to face West during prayers? Far enough east, and you are west. As to sleeping in and being a Muslim? Maybe it is a major reason they are so angry and suicide prone. No women to ogle, and can't sleep in. |
Sun Compass Skills
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:13:23 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: What ever works for you. What I do at 6:00AM is roll over and try to get some more sleep. If that doesn't work and I still want to know where east is, I look to see where the sun is coming up. What if it's cloudy out? ============================ RADAR |
Rec.Boats Dead as Useful NG
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:03:54 -0600, Skipper wrote:
JohnH wrote: Skipper wrote: JimH wrote: There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. Plug just about any inquiry into Deja/Google and you'd find great information from this group. Not anymore. Today...400 posts of garbage...and from 'contributors' who have very little practical knowledge of boats AND boating. The knowledgeable sources have gone to saner climes. Just look at the posts from the NG's most prolific offenders; Harry Krause, Doug Kanter, Bert Robbins, Alt_man2, JimH, JohnH, P. Fitz, or Gene Kearns. Research the archives for ANY relevant subject...these folks are totally void of useful boating information in the archives. You will not see this current crop of know nothings being the source for anything useful. Face it, rec.boats is a bad joke to serious boaters...as are those who continue to contribute to the pollution. Go ahead fellas, make a name for yourselves... You have also not contributed one iota to any discussion about boats since you came back. You have, however, dug up some old posts you made years back Perhaps I was in error to include you in the list of the worst NG polluters. Would you care to point us toward a couple useful and informative boating posts of yours we can find in the Google archives? ...Didn't think so. And that was the message here...useful contributions versus uselessness. Time for you folks to find something useful to do. You've not looked too hard, Skipper. Actually, I have looked, JimH is one of the worst offenders. There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information, but no more. Harry's barbs and insults drew in far too many non-boaters who see NG participation as a game where nonsense prevails. The unique position of this NG to provide a variety of viewpoints to an on-topic subject has been overcome and swamped by tons of insults and gibberish. Serious boaters are no longer the driving force of this NG...and it ain't about to change. Did you read Chuck's post? Have you read any of Wayne B's or my posts over the past couple days? If you are interested in changing the tone of the group, participate in the change. Dragging up and complaining about history is not going to change anything. Yes, except for a few, we've all acted like %#(**)(*(&^%'s. So, let's change. It ain't about to change if you let the same old grudges drive your train. You surely weren't the only one on the receiving end of the name-calling, and there were plenty of times you were on the shooting end. Me too. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** |
Rec.Boats Dead as Useful NG
GMAT.
I like "One Day at a Time". On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:06:33 -0500, "Smithers one of 1000's" Smithers of a 1000 names wrote: Skipper, It might not change, but the suggestion to start on topic posts, and ignore the Off Topic trolls for the next week is a start. Sort of like an alcoholic, we just need to take one day at a time. "Skipper" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: Skipper wrote: JimH wrote: There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information. Plug just about any inquiry into Deja/Google and you'd find great information from this group. Not anymore. Today...400 posts of garbage...and from 'contributors' who have very little practical knowledge of boats AND boating. The knowledgeable sources have gone to saner climes. Just look at the posts from the NG's most prolific offenders; Harry Krause, Doug Kanter, Bert Robbins, Alt_man2, JimH, JohnH, P. Fitz, or Gene Kearns. Research the archives for ANY relevant subject...these folks are totally void of useful boating information in the archives. You will not see this current crop of know nothings being the source for anything useful. Face it, rec.boats is a bad joke to serious boaters...as are those who continue to contribute to the pollution. Go ahead fellas, make a name for yourselves... You have also not contributed one iota to any discussion about boats since you came back. You have, however, dug up some old posts you made years back Perhaps I was in error to include you in the list of the worst NG polluters. Would you care to point us toward a couple useful and informative boating posts of yours we can find in the Google archives? ...Didn't think so. And that was the message here...useful contributions versus uselessness. Time for you folks to find something useful to do. You've not looked too hard, Skipper. Actually, I have looked, JimH is one of the worst offenders. There was a time when this NG was a great source of boating information, but no more. Harry's barbs and insults drew in far too many non-boaters who see NG participation as a game where nonsense prevails. The unique position of this NG to provide a variety of viewpoints to an on-topic subject has been overcome and swamped by tons of insults and gibberish. Serious boaters are no longer the driving force of this NG...and it ain't about to change. -- Skipper -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** |
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