Clinton's day in the Sun is over and Clinton needs to move to Florida and
start playing golf everyday and chasing women after dark.


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From New York Magazine, 12/9/05:
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people...314/index.html

Bush Threatens U.N. Over Clinton Climate Speech

By Greg Sargent

Bush-administration officials privately threatened organizers of the
U.N. Climate Change Conference, telling them that any chance there
might’ve been for the United States to sign on to the Kyoto
global-warming protocol would be scuttled if they allowed Bill Clinton
to speak at the gathering today in Montreal, according to a source
involved with the negotiations who spoke to New York Magazine on
condition of anonymity.

Bush officials informed organizers of their intention to pull out of
the new Kyoto deal late Thursday afternoon, soon after news leaked
that Clinton was scheduled to speak, the source said.

The threat set in motion a flurry of frantic back-channel negotiations
between conference organizers and aides to Bush and Clinton that
lasted into the night on Thursday, and at one point Clinton flatly
told his advisers that he was going to pull out and not deliver the
speech, the source said.

"It’s just astounding," the source told New York Magazine.

"It came through loud and clear from the Bush people--they wouldn’t
sign the deal if Clinton were allowed to speak."

Clinton spokesman Jay Carson confirmed the behind the dustup took
place and that the former president had decided not to go out of fear
of harming the negotiations, but Carson declined to comment further.

On Friday afternoon, Clinton did end up speaking at the conference, a
global audience of diplomats, environmentalists, and others who were
in the final hours of a two-week gathering devoted to discussing the
future of the protocol, the existing emissions-controls agreement.

In 1997, Al Gore, then vice-president, helped negotiate the protocol,
but it never passed the Senate.

In 2001, it was formally renounced by the Bush administration, which
argues that cutting greenhouse-gas emissions would hurt the American
economy.

Some delegations at the conference appear ready to move forward and
renegotiate the agreement without the Bush administration.

But environmentalists and conference organizers are holding out hope
that the administration will reconsider and sign on to the treaty or
take steps to implement tougher climate-control standards.

Both options would be considered an improvement over current U.S.
commitments.

But the specter of Clinton’s speaking caused the Bush administration
to threaten to walk away.

In his Friday speech, Clinton blasted the Bush administration’s
opposition as "flat wrong."

But the speech almost didn’t happen.

The contretemps started late Thursday afternoon, when the Associated
Press ran a story saying that Clinton had been added at the last
minute to the gathering’s speaking schedule at the request of
conference organizers.

According to the source, barely minutes after the news leaked,
conference organizers called Clinton aides and told them that
Bush-administration officials were displeased.

"The organizers said the Bush people were threatening to pull out of
the deal," the source said.

After some deliberation between Clinton and his aides, Clinton decided
he wouldn’t speak, added the source:

"President Clinton immediately said, ‘There’s no way that I’m gonna
let petty politics get in the way of the deal. So I’m not gonna come.’
That’s the message [the Clinton people] sent back to the organizers."

But the organizers of the conference didn’t want to accept a
Bush-administration dictum.

They asked Clinton that he go ahead with the speech.

"The organizers decided to call the administration’s bluff," the
source said.

"They said, ‘We’re gonna push [the Bush people] back on this.’"

Several hours went by, and at the Clinton Foundation’s holiday party
on Thursday night, the former president and his aides still thought
they weren’t going to Montreal.

"The staff that was supposed to go with him had canceled their travel
plans," the source said.

At around 8:30 p.m., organizers called Clinton aides and said that
they’d successfully called the bluff of Bush officials, adding that
Bush’s aides had backed off and indicated that Clinton’s appearance
wouldn’t in fact have adverse diplomatic consequences.

Several hours after all these tense negotiations had been resolved,
the U.S. delegation’s chief, Paula Dobriansky, issued a statement
saying that events such as Clinton’s speaking "are useful
opportunities to hear a wide range of views on global climate change."

"They were trying to clean up the mess," the source said.

Late Friday the U.S. walked out for other reasons.

A White House spokesman couldn’t immediately be reached for comment.

---

This is delicious. The right wing continues to fear Clinton while the rest
of the world admires him. A testament to the ongoing political strength of
the former president.
--
Support the troops: Impeach Bush!

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
Clinton's day in the Sun is over and Clinton needs to move to Florida and
start playing golf everyday and chasing women after dark.

We don't want him. I think he should move to Southern California. He'll
fit in better out there with the rest of the liberals.

May the Lord be with you and yours, Harry.

--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
Clinton's day in the Sun is over and Clinton needs to move to Florida and
start playing golf everyday and chasing women after dark.


Actually, it is Bush's day that is almost over. After he is out of office,
he'll revert to public drinking.

Clinton is well-respected around the world. Bush is...considered a
buffoon.

Bush is well respected, and feared, because he can't be pushed around.

Clinton is malleable and can be coerced into supporting whatever point the
group seeking his presence wants him to support.

I think Ted Kennedy has that market covered.


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
Clinton's day in the Sun is over and Clinton needs to move to Florida and
start playing golf everyday and chasing women after dark.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
From New York Magazine, 12/9/05:

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people...314/index.html

Bush Threatens U.N. Over Clinton Climate Speech

By Greg Sargent

Bush-administration officials privately threatened organizers of the
U.N. Climate Change Conference, telling them that any chance there
might've been for the United States to sign on to the Kyoto
global-warming protocol would be scuttled if they allowed Bill Clinton
to speak at the gathering today in Montreal, according to a source
involved with the negotiations who spoke to New York Magazine on
condition of anonymity.

Bush officials informed organizers of their intention to pull out of
the new Kyoto deal late Thursday afternoon, soon after news leaked
that Clinton was scheduled to speak, the source said.

The threat set in motion a flurry of frantic back-channel negotiations
between conference organizers and aides to Bush and Clinton that
lasted into the night on Thursday, and at one point Clinton flatly
told his advisers that he was going to pull out and not deliver the
speech, the source said.

"It's just astounding," the source told New York Magazine.

"It came through loud and clear from the Bush people--they wouldn't
sign the deal if Clinton were allowed to speak."

Clinton spokesman Jay Carson confirmed the behind the dustup took
place and that the former president had decided not to go out of fear
of harming the negotiations, but Carson declined to comment further.

On Friday afternoon, Clinton did end up speaking at the conference, a
global audience of diplomats, environmentalists, and others who were
in the final hours of a two-week gathering devoted to discussing the
future of the protocol, the existing emissions-controls agreement.

In 1997, Al Gore, then vice-president, helped negotiate the protocol,
but it never passed the Senate.

In 2001, it was formally renounced by the Bush administration, which
argues that cutting greenhouse-gas emissions would hurt the American
economy.

Some delegations at the conference appear ready to move forward and
renegotiate the agreement without the Bush administration.

But environmentalists and conference organizers are holding out hope
that the administration will reconsider and sign on to the treaty or
take steps to implement tougher climate-control standards.

Both options would be considered an improvement over current U.S.
commitments.

But the specter of Clinton's speaking caused the Bush administration
to threaten to walk away.

In his Friday speech, Clinton blasted the Bush administration's
opposition as "flat wrong."

But the speech almost didn't happen.

The contretemps started late Thursday afternoon, when the Associated
Press ran a story saying that Clinton had been added at the last
minute to the gathering's speaking schedule at the request of
conference organizers.

According to the source, barely minutes after the news leaked,
conference organizers called Clinton aides and told them that
Bush-administration officials were displeased.

"The organizers said the Bush people were threatening to pull out of
the deal," the source said.

After some deliberation between Clinton and his aides, Clinton decided
he wouldn't speak, added the source:

"President Clinton immediately said, 'There's no way that I'm gonna
let petty politics get in the way of the deal. So I'm not gonna come.'
That's the message [the Clinton people] sent back to the organizers."

But the organizers of the conference didn't want to accept a
Bush-administration dictum.

They asked Clinton that he go ahead with the speech.

"The organizers decided to call the administration's bluff," the
source said.

"They said, 'We're gonna push [the Bush people] back on this.'"

Several hours went by, and at the Clinton Foundation's holiday party
on Thursday night, the former president and his aides still thought
they weren't going to Montreal.

"The staff that was supposed to go with him had canceled their travel
plans," the source said.

At around 8:30 p.m., organizers called Clinton aides and said that
they'd successfully called the bluff of Bush officials, adding that
Bush's aides had backed off and indicated that Clinton's appearance
wouldn't in fact have adverse diplomatic consequences.

Several hours after all these tense negotiations had been resolved,
the U.S. delegation's chief, Paula Dobriansky, issued a statement
saying that events such as Clinton's speaking "are useful
opportunities to hear a wide range of views on global climate change."

"They were trying to clean up the mess," the source said.

Late Friday the U.S. walked out for other reasons.

A White House spokesman couldn't immediately be reached for comment.

---

This is delicious. The right wing continues to fear Clinton while the
rest
of the world admires him. A testament to the ongoing political strength
of
the former president.
--
Support the troops: Impeach Bush!

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
Clinton's day in the Sun is over and Clinton needs to move to Florida
and start playing golf everyday and chasing women after dark.

Actually, it is Bush's day that is almost over. After he is out of
office, he'll revert to public drinking.

Clinton is well-respected around the world. Bush is...considered a
buffoon.

Bush is well respected, and feared, because he can't be pushed around.



You're delusional. Bush probably is the least-respected US president
around the world in the last 100 years. Most of the world believes he is
retarded.

They can believe whatever they want. What you don't see them doing is trying
to push us around.

Respect is borne from fear, and right now the rest of the world is in fear
of what the US may do if we are provoked.

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:27:14 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


Are you saying we've become the new Soviet Union?

If you mean Russia, we are seen as having a much more positive influence.
Hell, 38% of the respondents in a recent survey thought we had a positive
influence. Only 36% said the same about Russia. Of course we trailed
communist China, 48% saw them as having a positive influence.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4318551.stm

Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote:

Clinton's day in the Sun is over and Clinton needs to move to Florida
and start playing golf everyday and chasing women after dark.

Actually, it is Bush's day that is almost over. After he is out of
office, he'll revert to public drinking.

Clinton is well-respected around the world. Bush is...considered a
buffoon.

Bush is well respected, and feared, because he can't be pushed around.



You're delusional. Bush probably is the least-respected US president
around the world in the last 100 years. Most of the world believes he is
retarded.


They can believe whatever they want. What you don't see them doing is trying
to push us around.

Respect is borne from fear, and right now the rest of the world is in fear
of what the US may do if we are provoked.


Yeah...for now. How long before China catches up & passes you?

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote:

Clinton's day in the Sun is over and Clinton needs to move to Florida
and start playing golf everyday and chasing women after dark.

Actually, it is Bush's day that is almost over. After he is out of
office, he'll revert to public drinking.

Clinton is well-respected around the world. Bush is...considered a
buffoon.

Bush is well respected, and feared, because he can't be pushed around.



You're delusional. Bush probably is the least-respected US president
around the world in the last 100 years. Most of the world believes he is
retarded.


They can believe whatever they want. What you don't see them doing is
trying to push us around.

Respect is borne from fear, and right now the rest of the world is in
fear of what the US may do if we are provoked.


Yeah...for now. How long before China catches up & passes you?

That's the way it works in the world Don. The mighty have allways been
brought down by the new kid on the block. Canada by the way is nothing more
than a bit player on the world stage.

I figure that the US has between 50 and 100 years at the world leading
power. China is going to go through a period of modernization in the next 50
years that will impove the working and living conditions. Then, the Chinese
will start to swing their economic muscle around the trest of the world.
What I havn't figured out is how the Indians are going to figure into the
equation.

Bert Robbins wrote:


That's the way it works in the world Don. The mighty have allways been
brought down by the new kid on the block. Canada by the way is nothing more
than a bit player on the world stage.

snip..

That was quite profound Bert.....
"Canada by the way is nothing more than a bit player on the world stage."
I would say most of the 200 or so countries in the world are 'bit
players'... some bigger bits than others. Of course the US is 'Special'.
Would you have been considered a 'bit player' in the Reserves?