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[email protected] December 9th 05 05:25 PM

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This, by the way, is a STATE law. Who to hell is the governor of that
hell hole anyway? Oh, yeah, Jeb Bush!



Florida: Some see disdain in move to use eminent domain
Florida officials want to relocate 6,000 in blue-collar Riviera Beach
to build a waterfront complex across from high-dollar Palm Beach.
John-Thor Dahlburg, Los Angeles Times
Last update: December 6, 2005 at 10:44 PM
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RIVIERA BEACH, FLA. - It's across the inlet from Palm Beach, but this
town -- mostly black and blue-collar, with a large industrial and
warehouse district -- could be a continent away from the Fortune 500
and Rolls-Royce set.

But Riviera Beach's fortunes may soon change.

In what has been called the largest eminent-domain case in the nation,
the mayor and other elected leaders want to move about 6,000 residents,
tear down their houses and use the emptied 400-acre site to build a
waterfront yachting and residential complex for the well-to-do.

The goal, Mayor Michael D. Brown said during a public meeting in
September, is to "forever change the landscape" in this municipality of
about 32,500. The $1 billion plan should generate jobs and move Riviera
Beach's economy out of the doldrums, local leaders have said.

Opponents call the plan a government-sanctioned land grab that benefits
private developers and the wealthy.

"What they mean is that the view I have is too good for me and should
go to some millionaire," said Martha Babson, 60, a house painter who
lives near the Intracoastal Waterway.

"This is a reverse Robin Hood," said state Rep. Ronald L. Greenstein, a
Coconut Creek Democrat who serves on a state legislative committee
making recommendations on how to strengthen safeguards on private
property.

With many Americans sensitized to eminent-domain cases after a
much-discussed ruling by the Supreme Court in June, property-rights
organizations have been pointing to redevelopment plans in this Palm
Beach County town as proof that laws must be changed to protect
homeowners and businesses from the schemes of politicians.

"Unfortunately, taking poorer folks' homes and turning them into
higher-end development projects is all too routine in Florida and
throughout the country," said Scott G. Bullock, a senior attorney for
the Institute for Justice, based in Washington, D.C. "What
distinguishes Riviera Beach is the sheer scope of the project, and the
number of people it displaces."

In June, a divided U.S. Supreme Court approved the plan of New London,
Conn., to force some homeowners to sell their properties for a private
development that was supposed to generate more jobs and tax revenue.

That ruling has led to moves in Congress and at least 35 states,
including Florida, to restrict the use of eminent-domain seizures of
private property.

'Blighted' land may be seized

In Florida, the law allows local officials to take private land for
redevelopment if they deem it "blighted." In May 2001, a study
conducted for the city found that "slum and blighted conditions"
existed in about a third of Riviera Beach and that redevelopment was
necessary "in the interest of public health, safety, morals and
welfare."

A skeptical Babson, who lives in a single-story, concrete-block home
painted aqua that she shares with parrots and a dog, did her own
survey. For three months, she walked the streets of Riviera Beach
photographing houses classified as "dilapidated" or "deteriorated" by
specialists hired by the city.

The official study, she said, was riddled with errors and
misclassifications. Lots inventoried as "vacant" (one of 14 criteria
that allow Florida cities or counties to declare a neighborhood
blighted) actually had homes on them built in 1997, she said. One house
deemed "dilapidated," she found, was two years old.

Mayor Brown and Floyd T. Johnson, executive director of the Riviera
Beach Community Redevelopment Agency, did not respond to repeated
requests from the Los Angeles Times for an interview.

The redevelopment agency's website says the plan will "create a city
respected for its community pride and purpose, and reshape it into a
most desirable urban [place] to live, work, shop and relax for its
residents, business and visitors."

In past media interviews, Brown has said that his city was in dire need
of jobs and that if officials weren't allowed to resort to eminent
domain to spur growth, Riviera Beach could perish


[email protected] December 9th 05 05:35 PM

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wrote:
This, by the way, is a STATE law. Who to hell is the governor of that
hell hole anyway? Oh, yeah, Jeb Bush!



Florida: Some see disdain in move to use eminent domain
Florida officials want to relocate 6,000 in blue-collar Riviera Beach
to build a waterfront complex across from high-dollar Palm Beach.
John-Thor Dahlburg, Los Angeles Times
Last update: December 6, 2005 at 10:44 PM
Printer friendly E-mail this story Nation
Twin Cities flights to eastern cities delayed

Wisconsin schools facing lawsuits over 'holiday' programs

'Doozy of a snowstorm' descends on Northeast

Gold coins among surprises showing up in Salvation Army kettles

Storms bring snow, freezing cold to middle of country
Page: 1 2

RIVIERA BEACH, FLA. - It's across the inlet from Palm Beach, but this
town -- mostly black and blue-collar, with a large industrial and
warehouse district -- could be a continent away from the Fortune 500
and Rolls-Royce set.

But Riviera Beach's fortunes may soon change.

In what has been called the largest eminent-domain case in the nation,
the mayor and other elected leaders want to move about 6,000 residents,
tear down their houses and use the emptied 400-acre site to build a
waterfront yachting and residential complex for the well-to-do.

The goal, Mayor Michael D. Brown said during a public meeting in
September, is to "forever change the landscape" in this municipality of
about 32,500. The $1 billion plan should generate jobs and move Riviera
Beach's economy out of the doldrums, local leaders have said.

Opponents call the plan a government-sanctioned land grab that benefits
private developers and the wealthy.

"What they mean is that the view I have is too good for me and should
go to some millionaire," said Martha Babson, 60, a house painter who
lives near the Intracoastal Waterway.

"This is a reverse Robin Hood," said state Rep. Ronald L. Greenstein, a
Coconut Creek Democrat who serves on a state legislative committee
making recommendations on how to strengthen safeguards on private
property.

With many Americans sensitized to eminent-domain cases after a
much-discussed ruling by the Supreme Court in June, property-rights
organizations have been pointing to redevelopment plans in this Palm
Beach County town as proof that laws must be changed to protect
homeowners and businesses from the schemes of politicians.

"Unfortunately, taking poorer folks' homes and turning them into
higher-end development projects is all too routine in Florida and
throughout the country," said Scott G. Bullock, a senior attorney for
the Institute for Justice, based in Washington, D.C. "What
distinguishes Riviera Beach is the sheer scope of the project, and the
number of people it displaces."

In June, a divided U.S. Supreme Court approved the plan of New London,
Conn., to force some homeowners to sell their properties for a private
development that was supposed to generate more jobs and tax revenue.

That ruling has led to moves in Congress and at least 35 states,
including Florida, to restrict the use of eminent-domain seizures of
private property.

'Blighted' land may be seized

In Florida, the law allows local officials to take private land for
redevelopment if they deem it "blighted." In May 2001, a study
conducted for the city found that "slum and blighted conditions"
existed in about a third of Riviera Beach and that redevelopment was
necessary "in the interest of public health, safety, morals and
welfare."

A skeptical Babson, who lives in a single-story, concrete-block home
painted aqua that she shares with parrots and a dog, did her own
survey. For three months, she walked the streets of Riviera Beach
photographing houses classified as "dilapidated" or "deteriorated" by
specialists hired by the city.

The official study, she said, was riddled with errors and
misclassifications. Lots inventoried as "vacant" (one of 14 criteria
that allow Florida cities or counties to declare a neighborhood
blighted) actually had homes on them built in 1997, she said. One house
deemed "dilapidated," she found, was two years old.

Mayor Brown and Floyd T. Johnson, executive director of the Riviera
Beach Community Redevelopment Agency, did not respond to repeated
requests from the Los Angeles Times for an interview.

The redevelopment agency's website says the plan will "create a city
respected for its community pride and purpose, and reshape it into a
most desirable urban [place] to live, work, shop and relax for its
residents, business and visitors."

In past media interviews, Brown has said that his city was in dire need
of jobs and that if officials weren't allowed to resort to eminent
domain to spur growth, Riviera Beach could perish




They ought to extend this to boats. Take my humble little tugboat for
example. I think it's a real blight on the marina. Somebody should
insist that a new 50-foot Nordhavn be moored in its place. I'm all for
that, of course, provided I get the document to the 50-footer. :-)


[email protected] December 9th 05 06:44 PM

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

Hey Bassy,

It was the Democratic City Council in New London, CT who turned all
eminent domain decisions to a PRIVATE developer - the New London
Development Corporation who immediately started proceedings against
people in the Fort Trumbull neighborhood which ultimately led to the
Kelo decision by the USSC. Let me spell it out for you - D E M O C R
A T S sold out to the evil P R I V A T E interests in New London which
made all this possible.

The implications of this immediately went nation wide. And it was all
the fault of a DEMOCRAT controlled City Council.

Let me be sure you understand - D E M O C R A T S...


Let me be sure YOU understand. This case is in the state of FLORIDA.
Florida's governor, and his henchmen, are REPUBLICANS. They are taking
PRIVATE homes from people to build DEVELOPMENTS that will increase the
tax base.
Let me be sure you understand - REPUBLICANS...


*JimH* December 9th 05 06:53 PM

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wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

This, by the way, is a STATE law. Who to hell is the governor of that
hell hole anyway? Oh, yeah, Jeb Bush!


Palm beach county is democrat country. It is a democrat mayor who is
pushing this plan.
These are the same compassionate liberals who wanted mandatory photo
IDs for all "guest workers" in their community and wanted to gate the
whole damn town. If you are black or brown, don't let the sun go down
on your ass in Palm Beach. That also applies to poor white people.




Kevin, I would suggest you start reading your cut 'n pastes before you post
them here to make sure they actually do support your position.



P Fritz December 9th 05 06:57 PM

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

Hey Bassy,

It was the Democratic City Council in New London, CT who turned all
eminent domain decisions to a PRIVATE developer - the New London
Development Corporation who immediately started proceedings against
people in the Fort Trumbull neighborhood which ultimately led to the
Kelo decision by the USSC. Let me spell it out for you - D E M O C R
A T S sold out to the evil P R I V A T E interests in New London which
made all this possible.

The implications of this immediately went nation wide. And it was all
the fault of a DEMOCRAT controlled City Council.

Let me be sure you understand - D E M O C R A T S...



I had to go look up what kevin was posting, and as usual, he shoots
himself in the foot once again.

It is a D E M O C R A T mayor Michael Brown who is pushing the seizure of
private property, and very likely in violation of the restrictive state law
passed after the SCOTUS decision

And Kevin wonders why he is the "King of the NG idiots" ????





P Fritz December 9th 05 06:59 PM

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" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

This, by the way, is a STATE law. Who to hell is the governor of that
hell hole anyway? Oh, yeah, Jeb Bush!


Palm beach county is democrat country. It is a democrat mayor who is
pushing this plan.
These are the same compassionate liberals who wanted mandatory photo
IDs for all "guest workers" in their community and wanted to gate the
whole damn town. If you are black or brown, don't let the sun go down
on your ass in Palm Beach. That also applies to poor white people.




Kevin, I would suggest you start reading your cut 'n pastes before you

post
them here to make sure they actually do support your position.



Yes.....it seems Florida restricted the E.D laws after the SCOTUS decision,
and the DEMOCRAT mayor is trying to skirt the law.




[email protected] December 9th 05 07:22 PM

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P Fritz wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

Hey Bassy,

It was the Democratic City Council in New London, CT who turned all
eminent domain decisions to a PRIVATE developer - the New London
Development Corporation who immediately started proceedings against
people in the Fort Trumbull neighborhood which ultimately led to the
Kelo decision by the USSC. Let me spell it out for you - D E M O C R
A T S sold out to the evil P R I V A T E interests in New London which
made all this possible.

The implications of this immediately went nation wide. And it was all
the fault of a DEMOCRAT controlled City Council.

Let me be sure you understand - D E M O C R A T S...



I had to go look up what kevin was posting, and as usual, he shoots
himself in the foot once again.

It is a D E M O C R A T mayor Michael Brown who is pushing the seizure of
private property, and very likely in violation of the restrictive state law
passed after the SCOTUS decision

And Kevin wonders why he is the "King of the NG idiots" ????


IT's a REPUBLICAN law, in the STATE OF FLORIDA, you dip****!!!!




[email protected] December 9th 05 07:24 PM

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*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

This, by the way, is a STATE law. Who to hell is the governor of that
hell hole anyway? Oh, yeah, Jeb Bush!


Palm beach county is democrat country. It is a democrat mayor who is
pushing this plan.
These are the same compassionate liberals who wanted mandatory photo
IDs for all "guest workers" in their community and wanted to gate the
whole damn town. If you are black or brown, don't let the sun go down
on your ass in Palm Beach. That also applies to poor white people.




Kevin, I would suggest you start reading your cut 'n pastes before you post
them here to make sure they actually do support your position.


You idiot, it's a STATE LAW, NOT a county ordinance!! A STATE
LAW......now, quickly, what party is now governing Florida?


[email protected] December 9th 05 07:24 PM

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wrote:
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800,
wrote:

This, by the way, is a STATE law. Who to hell is the governor of that
hell hole anyway? Oh, yeah, Jeb Bush!


Palm beach county is democrat country. It is a democrat mayor who is
pushing this plan.
These are the same compassionate liberals who wanted mandatory photo
IDs for all "guest workers" in their community and wanted to gate the
whole damn town. If you are black or brown, don't let the sun go down
on your ass in Palm Beach. That also applies to poor white people.


It's a STATE LAW, NOT A COUNTY ORDINANCE


[email protected] December 9th 05 07:27 PM

OT Florida Eminent Domain Laws
 

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

This, by the way, is a STATE law. Who to hell is the governor of that
hell hole anyway? Oh, yeah, Jeb Bush!


Palm beach county is democrat country. It is a democrat mayor who is
pushing this plan.
These are the same compassionate liberals who wanted mandatory photo
IDs for all "guest workers" in their community and wanted to gate the
whole damn town. If you are black or brown, don't let the sun go down
on your ass in Palm Beach. That also applies to poor white people.




Kevin, I would suggest you start reading your cut 'n pastes before you post
them here to make sure they actually do support your position.


I"m not Kevin but gee, little twit, you might perhaps read it yourself
before opening up you **** filled mouth:
In Florida, the law allows local officials to take private land for
redevelopment if they deem it "blighted." In May 2001, a study
conducted for the city found that "slum and blighted conditions"
existed in about a third of Riviera Beach and that redevelopment was
necessary "in the interest of public health, safety, morals and
welfare."

Now, go back to your preying.............


Wayne.B December 9th 05 07:32 PM

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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 13:47:53 -0500, wrote:

That also applies to poor white people.


================================

Which is to say those with a net worth less than about $10M or so.


*JimH* December 9th 05 07:34 PM

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wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800,
wrote:

This, by the way, is a STATE law. Who to hell is the governor of that
hell hole anyway? Oh, yeah, Jeb Bush!


Palm beach county is democrat country. It is a democrat mayor who is
pushing this plan.
These are the same compassionate liberals who wanted mandatory photo
IDs for all "guest workers" in their community and wanted to gate the
whole damn town. If you are black or brown, don't let the sun go down
on your ass in Palm Beach. That also applies to poor white people.


It's a STATE LAW, NOT A COUNTY ORDINANCE


Kevin, why are you getting so worked up? I suggest you grab a bowl of
those *buggers* you said your kids like and a coke and chill to some soft
music for a while.....maybe the sounds of the World Class all volunteer
Atlanta Philharmonic Orchestra. That was the one that you said you heard
last year in concert even though this is their first year........eh?

http://www.atlantaphilharmonic.org/




P Fritz December 9th 05 07:43 PM

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" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800,
wrote:

This, by the way, is a STATE law. Who to hell is the governor of that
hell hole anyway? Oh, yeah, Jeb Bush!


Palm beach county is democrat country. It is a democrat mayor who is
pushing this plan.
These are the same compassionate liberals who wanted mandatory photo
IDs for all "guest workers" in their community and wanted to gate the
whole damn town. If you are black or brown, don't let the sun go down
on your ass in Palm Beach. That also applies to poor white people.


It's a STATE LAW, NOT A COUNTY ORDINANCE


Kevin, why are you getting so worked up?


Because once again he has dived head first into a pile of human fecal
matter, and will now try to tap dance his way out of it.

The state law enacted after the SCOTUS decision restricted the use of E.D.
The DEMOCRAT mayor is trying to skirt the lintent of the law. Kevin lacks
reading comprehension, so he didn't understand what he cut and pasted.

I suggest you grab a bowl of
those *buggers* you said your kids like and a coke and chill to some soft
music for a while.....maybe the sounds of the World Class all volunteer
Atlanta Philharmonic Orchestra. That was the one that you said you heard
last year in concert even though this is their first year........eh?

http://www.atlantaphilharmonic.org/






NOYB December 9th 05 07:51 PM

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

Hey Bassy,

It was the Democratic City Council in New London, CT who turned all
eminent domain decisions to a PRIVATE developer - the New London
Development Corporation who immediately started proceedings against
people in the Fort Trumbull neighborhood which ultimately led to the
Kelo decision by the USSC. Let me spell it out for you - D E M O C R
A T S sold out to the evil P R I V A T E interests in New London which
made all this possible.

The implications of this immediately went nation wide. And it was all
the fault of a DEMOCRAT controlled City Council.

Let me be sure you understand - D E M O C R A T S...


Yup. Same for Riviera Beach. The state (and especially the Governor)
doesn't have anything to do with it, other than granting the power to the
local officials.




Lord Reginald Smithers December 9th 05 07:51 PM

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Tom,
What Kevin is trying to say is "it is ok if Democrats do it, it is wrong
when Republicans do it".

wrote in message
ups.com...

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

Hey Bassy,

It was the Democratic City Council in New London, CT who turned all
eminent domain decisions to a PRIVATE developer - the New London
Development Corporation who immediately started proceedings against
people in the Fort Trumbull neighborhood which ultimately led to the
Kelo decision by the USSC. Let me spell it out for you - D E M O C R
A T S sold out to the evil P R I V A T E interests in New London which
made all this possible.

The implications of this immediately went nation wide. And it was all
the fault of a DEMOCRAT controlled City Council.

Let me be sure you understand - D E M O C R A T S...


Let me be sure YOU understand. This case is in the state of FLORIDA.
Florida's governor, and his henchmen, are REPUBLICANS. They are taking
PRIVATE homes from people to build DEVELOPMENTS that will increase the
tax base.
Let me be sure you understand - REPUBLICANS...




Lord Reginald Smithers December 9th 05 07:52 PM

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JimH,
Why should this cut and paste from Kevin be any different than the other cut
and pastes from Kevin?



" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

This, by the way, is a STATE law. Who to hell is the governor of that
hell hole anyway? Oh, yeah, Jeb Bush!


Palm beach county is democrat country. It is a democrat mayor who is
pushing this plan.
These are the same compassionate liberals who wanted mandatory photo
IDs for all "guest workers" in their community and wanted to gate the
whole damn town. If you are black or brown, don't let the sun go down
on your ass in Palm Beach. That also applies to poor white people.




Kevin, I would suggest you start reading your cut 'n pastes before you
post them here to make sure they actually do support your position.




NOYB December 9th 05 07:52 PM

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wrote in message
oups.com...

P Fritz wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

Hey Bassy,

It was the Democratic City Council in New London, CT who turned all
eminent domain decisions to a PRIVATE developer - the New London
Development Corporation who immediately started proceedings against
people in the Fort Trumbull neighborhood which ultimately led to the
Kelo decision by the USSC. Let me spell it out for you - D E M O C R
A T S sold out to the evil P R I V A T E interests in New London which
made all this possible.

The implications of this immediately went nation wide. And it was all
the fault of a DEMOCRAT controlled City Council.

Let me be sure you understand - D E M O C R A T S...



I had to go look up what kevin was posting, and as usual, he shoots
himself in the foot once again.

It is a D E M O C R A T mayor Michael Brown who is pushing the seizure of
private property, and very likely in violation of the restrictive state
law
passed after the SCOTUS decision

And Kevin wonders why he is the "King of the NG idiots" ????


IT's a REPUBLICAN law, in the STATE OF FLORIDA, you dip****!!!!


Eminent domain in Riviera Beach is being conducted at the local level...not
at the state or gubernatorial level.




Skipper December 9th 05 07:55 PM

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Palm beach county is democrat country. It is a democrat mayor who is
pushing this plan.


You idiot, it's a STATE LAW, NOT a county ordinance!! A STATE
LAW......now, quickly, what party is now governing Florida?


It's not the law that's the problem, it's the abuse of law by a black
Mayor. Remember the OJ case?

--
Skipper

Lord Reginald Smithers December 9th 05 07:55 PM

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Kevin,
Let me speak slowly just for you. The State Law does not REQUIRE the county
or city to do anything. The Democratic controlled county and mayor who is
pushing the plan.

DAMN THOSE DEMOCRATS, DAMN THEM TO HELL AND BACK.


wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800,
wrote:

This, by the way, is a STATE law. Who to hell is the governor of that
hell hole anyway? Oh, yeah, Jeb Bush!


Palm beach county is democrat country. It is a democrat mayor who is
pushing this plan.
These are the same compassionate liberals who wanted mandatory photo
IDs for all "guest workers" in their community and wanted to gate the
whole damn town. If you are black or brown, don't let the sun go down
on your ass in Palm Beach. That also applies to poor white people.


It's a STATE LAW, NOT A COUNTY ORDINANCE




Skipper December 9th 05 08:05 PM

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Lord Reginald Smithers wrote:

Kevin,
Let me speak slowly just for you. The State Law does not REQUIRE the county
or city to do anything. The Democratic controlled county and mayor who is
pushing the plan.


DAMN THOSE DEMOCRATS, DAMN THEM TO HELL AND BACK.


Yet another *abuse of power* case when Dems are in control. Sadly, our
history is filled with Democrats bungling. The Dems prove the Peter
Principle daily.

--
Skipper

P Fritz December 9th 05 08:07 PM

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"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...

P Fritz wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

Hey Bassy,

It was the Democratic City Council in New London, CT who turned all
eminent domain decisions to a PRIVATE developer - the New London
Development Corporation who immediately started proceedings against
people in the Fort Trumbull neighborhood which ultimately led to the
Kelo decision by the USSC. Let me spell it out for you - D E M O C R
A T S sold out to the evil P R I V A T E interests in New London

which
made all this possible.

The implications of this immediately went nation wide. And it was all
the fault of a DEMOCRAT controlled City Council.

Let me be sure you understand - D E M O C R A T S...



I had to go look up what kevin was posting, and as usual, he shoots
himself in the foot once again.

It is a D E M O C R A T mayor Michael Brown who is pushing the seizure

of
private property, and very likely in violation of the restrictive state
law
passed after the SCOTUS decision

And Kevin wonders why he is the "King of the NG idiots" ????


IT's a REPUBLICAN law, in the STATE OF FLORIDA, you dip****!!!!


Eminent domain in Riviera Beach is being conducted at the local

level...not
at the state or gubernatorial level.


And the DEMOCRATS are trying to skirt the restrictions of the state law.

Kevin has soiled himself once again.......but will continue to shout his
position thinking that if he does it long enough, it will become true.

What else can you expect from the "King of the NG idiots"???








*JimH* December 9th 05 08:11 PM

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"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...

P Fritz wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

Hey Bassy,

It was the Democratic City Council in New London, CT who turned all
eminent domain decisions to a PRIVATE developer - the New London
Development Corporation who immediately started proceedings against
people in the Fort Trumbull neighborhood which ultimately led to the
Kelo decision by the USSC. Let me spell it out for you - D E M O C R
A T S sold out to the evil P R I V A T E interests in New London which
made all this possible.

The implications of this immediately went nation wide. And it was all
the fault of a DEMOCRAT controlled City Council.

Let me be sure you understand - D E M O C R A T S...



I had to go look up what kevin was posting, and as usual, he shoots
himself in the foot once again.

It is a D E M O C R A T mayor Michael Brown who is pushing the seizure
of
private property, and very likely in violation of the restrictive state
law
passed after the SCOTUS decision

And Kevin wonders why he is the "King of the NG idiots" ????


IT's a REPUBLICAN law, in the STATE OF FLORIDA, you dip****!!!!


Eminent domain in Riviera Beach is being conducted at the local
level...not at the state or gubernatorial level.





I think that Kevin left the building with Elvis.



P Fritz December 9th 05 08:13 PM

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But the state does have criterea that the DEMOCRATS seem to be skirting
around................

"That ruling has led to moves in Congress and at least 35 states,
including Florida, to restrict the use of eminent-domain seizures of
private property.

'Blighted' land may be seized

In Florida, the law allows local officials to take private land for
redevelopment if they deem it "blighted." In May 2001, a study
conducted for the city found that "slum and blighted conditions"
existed in about a third of Riviera Beach and that redevelopment was
necessary "in the interest of public health, safety, morals and
welfare."

A skeptical Babson, who lives in a single-story, concrete-block home
painted aqua that she shares with parrots and a dog, did her own
survey. For three months, she walked the streets of Riviera Beach
photographing houses classified as "dilapidated" or "deteriorated" by
specialists hired by the city.

The official study, she said, was riddled with errors and
misclassifications. Lots inventoried as "vacant" (one of 14 criteria
that allow Florida cities or counties to declare a neighborhood
blighted) actually had homes on them built in 1997, she said. One house
deemed "dilapidated," she found, was two years old.

Mayor Brown and Floyd T. Johnson, executive director of the Riviera
Beach Community Redevelopment Agency, did not respond to repeated
requests from the Los Angeles Times for an interview.

The redevelopment agency's website says the plan will "create a city
respected for its community pride and purpose, and reshape it into a
most desirable urban [place] to live, work, shop and relax for its
residents, business and visitors."

In past media interviews, Brown has said that his city was in dire need
of jobs and that if officials weren't allowed to resort to eminent
domain to spur growth, Riviera Beach could perish

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message . ..
Kevin,
Let me speak slowly just for you. The State Law does not REQUIRE the

county
or city to do anything. The Democratic controlled county and mayor who is
pushing the plan.

DAMN THOSE DEMOCRATS, DAMN THEM TO HELL AND BACK.


wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800,
wrote:

This, by the way, is a STATE law. Who to hell is the governor of that
hell hole anyway? Oh, yeah, Jeb Bush!


Palm beach county is democrat country. It is a democrat mayor who is
pushing this plan.
These are the same compassionate liberals who wanted mandatory photo
IDs for all "guest workers" in their community and wanted to gate the
whole damn town. If you are black or brown, don't let the sun go down
on your ass in Palm Beach. That also applies to poor white people.


It's a STATE LAW, NOT A COUNTY ORDINANCE






Lord Reginald Smithers December 9th 05 08:16 PM

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Paul,
I can promise you, Kevin will not say "Opps, I screwed up". He will insist
it is everyone else who doesn't understand. Ask Kevin about whiskey. For
some reason, Kevin does not realize whiskey must be aged in charred oak
barrels to be considered whiskey. If they are not, they are just another
grain alcohol.


"P Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...

P Fritz wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

Hey Bassy,

It was the Democratic City Council in New London, CT who turned all
eminent domain decisions to a PRIVATE developer - the New London
Development Corporation who immediately started proceedings against
people in the Fort Trumbull neighborhood which ultimately led to the
Kelo decision by the USSC. Let me spell it out for you - D E M O C
R
A T S sold out to the evil P R I V A T E interests in New London

which
made all this possible.

The implications of this immediately went nation wide. And it was
all
the fault of a DEMOCRAT controlled City Council.

Let me be sure you understand - D E M O C R A T S...



I had to go look up what kevin was posting, and as usual, he shoots
himself in the foot once again.

It is a D E M O C R A T mayor Michael Brown who is pushing the seizure

of
private property, and very likely in violation of the restrictive
state
law
passed after the SCOTUS decision

And Kevin wonders why he is the "King of the NG idiots" ????

IT's a REPUBLICAN law, in the STATE OF FLORIDA, you dip****!!!!


Eminent domain in Riviera Beach is being conducted at the local

level...not
at the state or gubernatorial level.


And the DEMOCRATS are trying to skirt the restrictions of the state law.

Kevin has soiled himself once again.......but will continue to shout his
position thinking that if he does it long enough, it will become true.

What else can you expect from the "King of the NG idiots"???










Lord Reginald Smithers December 9th 05 08:21 PM

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DAMN THOSE DEMOCRATIC CROOKS. THEY SHOULD ALL BE CASTRATED.

Rivera Beach is right next to Palm Beach, so it is easy to understand why
they could not get this correct either.


"P Fritz" wrote in message
...
But the state does have criterea that the DEMOCRATS seem to be skirting
around................

"That ruling has led to moves in Congress and at least 35 states,
including Florida, to restrict the use of eminent-domain seizures of
private property.

'Blighted' land may be seized

In Florida, the law allows local officials to take private land for
redevelopment if they deem it "blighted." In May 2001, a study
conducted for the city found that "slum and blighted conditions"
existed in about a third of Riviera Beach and that redevelopment was
necessary "in the interest of public health, safety, morals and
welfare."

A skeptical Babson, who lives in a single-story, concrete-block home
painted aqua that she shares with parrots and a dog, did her own
survey. For three months, she walked the streets of Riviera Beach
photographing houses classified as "dilapidated" or "deteriorated" by
specialists hired by the city.

The official study, she said, was riddled with errors and
misclassifications. Lots inventoried as "vacant" (one of 14 criteria
that allow Florida cities or counties to declare a neighborhood
blighted) actually had homes on them built in 1997, she said. One house
deemed "dilapidated," she found, was two years old.

Mayor Brown and Floyd T. Johnson, executive director of the Riviera
Beach Community Redevelopment Agency, did not respond to repeated
requests from the Los Angeles Times for an interview.

The redevelopment agency's website says the plan will "create a city
respected for its community pride and purpose, and reshape it into a
most desirable urban [place] to live, work, shop and relax for its
residents, business and visitors."

In past media interviews, Brown has said that his city was in dire need
of jobs and that if officials weren't allowed to resort to eminent
domain to spur growth, Riviera Beach could perish

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor.
wrote in message . ..
Kevin,
Let me speak slowly just for you. The State Law does not REQUIRE the

county
or city to do anything. The Democratic controlled county and mayor who
is
pushing the plan.

DAMN THOSE DEMOCRATS, DAMN THEM TO HELL AND BACK.


wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800,
wrote:

This, by the way, is a STATE law. Who to hell is the governor of that
hell hole anyway? Oh, yeah, Jeb Bush!


Palm beach county is democrat country. It is a democrat mayor who is
pushing this plan.
These are the same compassionate liberals who wanted mandatory photo
IDs for all "guest workers" in their community and wanted to gate the
whole damn town. If you are black or brown, don't let the sun go down
on your ass in Palm Beach. That also applies to poor white people.

It's a STATE LAW, NOT A COUNTY ORDINANCE








P Fritz December 9th 05 08:24 PM

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What to hell? Are you trying to cow down me?

LMAO

Speaking of whiskey, I have to cross the border to the south and go measure
an old residence that was once owned by a nephew of Hiram Walker......just
down the block from the distillery.

And yes.....I do have to go south to get into Canada.


"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
Paul,
I can promise you, Kevin will not say "Opps, I screwed up". He will

insist
it is everyone else who doesn't understand. Ask Kevin about whiskey. For
some reason, Kevin does not realize whiskey must be aged in charred oak
barrels to be considered whiskey. If they are not, they are just another
grain alcohol.


"P Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...

P Fritz wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

Hey Bassy,

It was the Democratic City Council in New London, CT who turned

all
eminent domain decisions to a PRIVATE developer - the New London
Development Corporation who immediately started proceedings

against
people in the Fort Trumbull neighborhood which ultimately led to

the
Kelo decision by the USSC. Let me spell it out for you - D E M O

C
R
A T S sold out to the evil P R I V A T E interests in New London

which
made all this possible.

The implications of this immediately went nation wide. And it was
all
the fault of a DEMOCRAT controlled City Council.

Let me be sure you understand - D E M O C R A T S...



I had to go look up what kevin was posting, and as usual, he

shoots
himself in the foot once again.

It is a D E M O C R A T mayor Michael Brown who is pushing the

seizure
of
private property, and very likely in violation of the restrictive
state
law
passed after the SCOTUS decision

And Kevin wonders why he is the "King of the NG idiots" ????

IT's a REPUBLICAN law, in the STATE OF FLORIDA, you dip****!!!!

Eminent domain in Riviera Beach is being conducted at the local

level...not
at the state or gubernatorial level.


And the DEMOCRATS are trying to skirt the restrictions of the state law.

Kevin has soiled himself once again.......but will continue to shout his
position thinking that if he does it long enough, it will become true.

What else can you expect from the "King of the NG idiots"???












P Fritz December 9th 05 08:29 PM

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I have to admit though, Rivera Beach was a s**t hole 15 years ago when I
traveled there all the time. It was sandwiched between West Palm to the
south, Palm Beach Gardens to the north (the Gardens Mall there was a project
of mine) and Singer Island. Rivera Beach has a great location, adjacent to
the Intercoastal.

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
DAMN THOSE DEMOCRATIC CROOKS. THEY SHOULD ALL BE CASTRATED.

Rivera Beach is right next to Palm Beach, so it is easy to understand why
they could not get this correct either.


"P Fritz" wrote in message
...
But the state does have criterea that the DEMOCRATS seem to be skirting
around................

"That ruling has led to moves in Congress and at least 35 states,
including Florida, to restrict the use of eminent-domain seizures of
private property.

'Blighted' land may be seized

In Florida, the law allows local officials to take private land for
redevelopment if they deem it "blighted." In May 2001, a study
conducted for the city found that "slum and blighted conditions"
existed in about a third of Riviera Beach and that redevelopment was
necessary "in the interest of public health, safety, morals and
welfare."

A skeptical Babson, who lives in a single-story, concrete-block home
painted aqua that she shares with parrots and a dog, did her own
survey. For three months, she walked the streets of Riviera Beach
photographing houses classified as "dilapidated" or "deteriorated" by
specialists hired by the city.

The official study, she said, was riddled with errors and
misclassifications. Lots inventoried as "vacant" (one of 14 criteria
that allow Florida cities or counties to declare a neighborhood
blighted) actually had homes on them built in 1997, she said. One house
deemed "dilapidated," she found, was two years old.

Mayor Brown and Floyd T. Johnson, executive director of the Riviera
Beach Community Redevelopment Agency, did not respond to repeated
requests from the Los Angeles Times for an interview.

The redevelopment agency's website says the plan will "create a city
respected for its community pride and purpose, and reshape it into a
most desirable urban [place] to live, work, shop and relax for its
residents, business and visitors."

In past media interviews, Brown has said that his city was in dire need
of jobs and that if officials weren't allowed to resort to eminent
domain to spur growth, Riviera Beach could perish

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor.
wrote in message . ..
Kevin,
Let me speak slowly just for you. The State Law does not REQUIRE the

county
or city to do anything. The Democratic controlled county and mayor who
is
pushing the plan.

DAMN THOSE DEMOCRATS, DAMN THEM TO HELL AND BACK.


wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800,
wrote:

This, by the way, is a STATE law. Who to hell is the governor of

that
hell hole anyway? Oh, yeah, Jeb Bush!


Palm beach county is democrat country. It is a democrat mayor who is
pushing this plan.
These are the same compassionate liberals who wanted mandatory photo
IDs for all "guest workers" in their community and wanted to gate

the
whole damn town. If you are black or brown, don't let the sun go

down
on your ass in Palm Beach. That also applies to poor white people.

It's a STATE LAW, NOT A COUNTY ORDINANCE










[email protected] December 9th 05 08:36 PM

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Skipper wrote:
Palm beach county is democrat country. It is a democrat mayor who is
pushing this plan.


You idiot, it's a STATE LAW, NOT a county ordinance!! A STATE
LAW......now, quickly, what party is now governing Florida?


It's not the law that's the problem, it's the abuse of law by a black
Mayor. Remember the OJ case?

--
Skipper


Here you go.

Probably still time for you to order several of these religious icons
in time for the upcoming
holiday. I know how much you would treasure the opportunity to display
these proudly in your home. In spite of all the flak you keep passing
my way I'll ignore that, in the spirit of the season, and share this
valuable link with you.

http://www.littleafrica.com/blacksantas/

Enjoy.


Skipper December 9th 05 08:41 PM

OT Florida Eminent Domain Laws
 
wrote:

Probably still time for you to order several of these religious icons
in time for the upcoming
holiday. I know how much you would treasure the opportunity to display
these proudly in your home. In spite of all the flak you keep passing
my way I'll ignore that, in the spirit of the season, and share this
valuable link with you.


http://www.littleafrica.com/blacksantas/

Which one is the Santa Klause?

--
Skipper

[email protected] December 10th 05 01:17 AM

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*JimH* wrote:



I think that Kevin left the building with Elvis.


Well, probably went back to rehab, after being cut loose for "work
release"


Bill McKee December 10th 05 01:25 AM

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wrote in message
oups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800, wrote:

This, by the way, is a STATE law. Who to hell is the governor of that
hell hole anyway? Oh, yeah, Jeb Bush!


Palm beach county is democrat country. It is a democrat mayor who is
pushing this plan.
These are the same compassionate liberals who wanted mandatory photo
IDs for all "guest workers" in their community and wanted to gate the
whole damn town. If you are black or brown, don't let the sun go down
on your ass in Palm Beach. That also applies to poor white people.




Kevin, I would suggest you start reading your cut 'n pastes before you
post
them here to make sure they actually do support your position.


I"m not Kevin but gee, little twit, you might perhaps read it yourself
before opening up you **** filled mouth:
In Florida, the law allows local officials to take private land for
redevelopment if they deem it "blighted." In May 2001, a study
conducted for the city found that "slum and blighted conditions"
existed in about a third of Riviera Beach and that redevelopment was
necessary "in the interest of public health, safety, morals and
welfare."

Now, go back to your preying.............


So it is a Democratic MAyor, who paid for a study to get a blighted tag hung
on the land. Sounds more like redevelopment and the take for better uses
that was the basis in the first case. But seems as if it might not be
blighted. According to the article, a 2 year old house is a blight?



Lord Reginald Smithers December 10th 05 04:35 AM

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 10:44:43 -0800, wrote:

Are you just an argumentative dumbass or is your life that empty that
you take things out of context just to be a dick and have something to
do? At least Harry's and DSK's arguments make sense.

This would never have happened if it wasn't for DEMOCRATS.


Tom,
Part of Kevin's response is because he likes to be argumentative, but in
reality the real reason he seems so argumentative is because he has severe
problems understanding simple concepts. Kevin, has the uncanny knack of
cut and pasting articles disproving his theory. This is the reason I
believe he does not have the ability to process simple concepts.







[email protected] December 10th 05 05:02 AM

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9.
Dec 9, 1:22 pm show options

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: - Find messages by this author
Date: 9 Dec 2005 11:22:47 -0800
Local: Fri, Dec 9 2005 1:22 pm
Subject: OT Florida Eminent Domain Laws

Let me be sure you understand - REPUBLICANS...
It's a STATE LAW, NOT A COUNTY ORDINANCE
IT's a REPUBLICAN law, in the STATE OF FLORIDA, you dip****!!!!



Aww, C'mon guys back off a bit, will you???

The kids about to start crying........ ;0


[email protected] December 10th 05 05:06 AM

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9.
Dec 9, 1:22 pm show options


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: - Find messages by this author
Date: 9 Dec 2005 11:22:47 -0800
Local: Fri, Dec 9 2005 1:22 pm
Subject: OT Florida Eminent Domain Laws



Let me be sure you understand - REPUBLICANS...
It's a STATE LAW, NOT A COUNTY ORDINANCE
IT's a REPUBLICAN law, in the STATE OF FLORIDA, you dip****!!!!



Aww, C'mon guys back off a bit, will you???

The kids about to start crying........ ;0


Poor dumbass, thought he'd be cute and splash in the puddle, only to
find himself neck deep in quick****. And trying to yell his way out and
hold his pride at the same time..

tisk, tisk....


[email protected] December 10th 05 12:28 PM

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I think that Kevin left the building with Elvis.


Amazing the boy could even find the door!


P. Fritz December 10th 05 01:42 PM

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 11:22:47 -0800, wrote:


P Fritz wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec 2005 09:25:19 -0800,
wrote:

Hey Bassy,

It was the Democratic City Council in New London, CT who turned all
eminent domain decisions to a PRIVATE developer - the New London
Development Corporation who immediately started proceedings against
people in the Fort Trumbull neighborhood which ultimately led to the
Kelo decision by the USSC. Let me spell it out for you - D E M O C

R
A T S sold out to the evil P R I V A T E interests in New London

which
made all this possible.

The implications of this immediately went nation wide. And it was

all
the fault of a DEMOCRAT controlled City Council.

Let me be sure you understand - D E M O C R A T S...



I had to go look up what kevin was posting, and as usual, he shoots
himself in the foot once again.

It is a D E M O C R A T mayor Michael Brown who is pushing the seizure

of
private property, and very likely in violation of the restrictive

state law
passed after the SCOTUS decision

And Kevin wonders why he is the "King of the NG idiots" ????


IT's a REPUBLICAN law, in the STATE OF FLORIDA, you dip****!!!!


It not a Republican law dummy. It's a decision by the Supreme Court
of the United States.

Never mind - it obviously too complicated for you to understand.


Kevin is dumber than a tree stump, but he will have all weekend to
recover before making an ass of himself Mon. morning.



P Fritz December 10th 05 11:02 PM

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:42:31 -0500, "P. Fritz"
wrote:

Kevin is dumber than a tree stump, but he will have all weekend to
recover before making an ass of himself Mon. morning.


That's the strange thing - he's not dumber than a tree stump.


I will politely disagree :-)


He
actually is fairly with it and when not on his freakin' high horse, he
actually has something fairly decent to say. When he get's stubborn,
the problems surface.

I've been involved in several decent threads with his participation
and enjoyed them. I have nothing against him at all - other than that
one thing.




Don White December 11th 05 01:13 AM

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:42:31 -0500, "P. Fritz"
wrote:


Kevin is dumber than a tree stump, but he will have all weekend to
recover before making an ass of himself Mon. morning.



That's the strange thing - he's not dumber than a tree stump. He
actually is fairly with it and when not on his freakin' high horse, he
actually has something fairly decent to say. When he get's stubborn,
the problems surface.

I've been involved in several decent threads with his participation
and enjoyed them. I have nothing against him at all - other than that
one thing.


And he is usually 'severely provoked' before getting worked up.

NOYB December 11th 05 01:23 AM

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:42:31 -0500, "P. Fritz"
wrote:


Kevin is dumber than a tree stump, but he will have all weekend to
recover before making an ass of himself Mon. morning.



That's the strange thing - he's not dumber than a tree stump. He
actually is fairly with it and when not on his freakin' high horse, he
actually has something fairly decent to say. When he get's stubborn,
the problems surface.

I've been involved in several decent threads with his participation
and enjoyed them. I have nothing against him at all - other than that
one thing.


And he is usually 'severely provoked' before getting worked up.


Don,
Kevin is the one who started this thread. It was OT...and completely out of
the blue.




NOYB December 11th 05 01:25 AM

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:42:31 -0500, "P. Fritz"
wrote:

Kevin is dumber than a tree stump, but he will have all weekend to
recover before making an ass of himself Mon. morning.


That's the strange thing - he's not dumber than a tree stump. He
actually is fairly with it


Tom,
Kevins skills at logic and reason are among the poorest I've seen. There
may be areas of his brain that function properly, but the logic and reason
portion isn't one of them.





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