I just don't understand why...
 

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:53:25 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/8/05 4:43 PM:

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:02:35 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
...
snip
Not to disparage the dead, but consider this, two people together, a
49 year old guy with all his attributes, and a 26 year old gal with
all her uh "attributes"
snip

Why did you say it if you don't know what it means?


I did not say I don't know what I mean, why don't you take a SWAG at
what I mean?

snip

Getting back on point, can you please answer the question?


Getting back on point, what specifically is your question?

snip

Why did you say it if you don't know what it means?


I did not say I don't know what I mean, why don't you take a SWAG at
what I mean?

snip

You have no clue. What is known is that they were novices, they had a guide,
they wore no PFDs, they went to a place where they should nove have been.


Yeah, I also have learned that there is usually alot more to the story
than what we have been told! So I try to read between the lines, which
is the point about a discussion group like this! None of us were there
to be making a truely informed statement, and most don't actually know
the people involved. So most all that is said is conjecture, even what
you have just stated! Did the article say they were novices? How did
you determine they were novices?

snip

I went backcountry skiing by myself,...
snip

What does this have to do with a couple going kayaking with a guide?


Nothing, it has to do with the original question, of why people do
stupid things! In this story a couple is kayaking, in mine, I did
stupid things. Similarity may stop there, but we can look at
ourselves, and usually find where we have also done stupid things.
Have you any stupid human stunts to your credit?

snip

Add the feature of a couple of hot-blooded young adventurers

How do you know they were "hot-blooded young adventurers?" What the hell are
you talking about?


Why don't you take a SWAG at what I am talking about? Although I will
admit, that at 49, he was not that young, but obviously still able to
make some stupid decisions!

to the
mix, and things can get real exciting. I did not see the Discovery
Channel special about the survival of some seakayakers, which is being
discussed on Paddlewise. If they had been opposite sex, the story
would have been on ABC primetime!

Any chance you can possibly stay on the topic of these two people that died
and your bizarre and unsubstantiated comments about them?

Any chance you can take a SWAG at what and why I am saying what I
wrote, or are you naive?

snip

You mean you used to be MORE STUPID than you are now?!?

No, now I am just perfecting it!

There's not much room for improvement.


Real people can always improve, we are not perfect like you!

This is really stretching the imagination.

Oh, sorry about that, overexertion is a problem, for some! Especially
a nonentity cyber-identity who has never done anything really, but
assimilate real people experiences. You can do everything, anything,
perfectly, with no stupid moments! Must be nice! RknMtnHootOwl OvO

Yet another attempt at a dodge.

You've made stupid satement after stupid statement in this thread.

And yours are brilliant?

You obviously like the word "stupid"! Reminds me of a little kid who
discovers a new word, and uses it in every statement they make for a
day or two, or until they learn a new word! Are you a little child?
What is your new word for today? RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

I just don't understand why...
 

RkyMtnHootOwl wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:53:25 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/8/05 4:43 PM:

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:02:35 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
...
snip
Not to disparage the dead, but consider this, two people together, a
49 year old guy with all his attributes, and a 26 year old gal with
all her uh "attributes"
snip

Why did you say it if you don't know what it means?


I did not say I don't know what I mean, why don't you take a SWAG at
what I mean?


Why not take a SWAG? Well, because most of us are not the kind of
decent upright Christians who go around with our minds in the gutter.
Most of us do not assume that when two colleagues, working out of town,
want to try a recreational activity that doesn't interest anyone else
in their workgroup, that there must be a sexual basis for their
interest. It would certainly never have occured to me without yer
tacky inuendo.

Is this what Jesus has given you? A mean-sprited, narrow-minded,
fault-finding, back-biting view of life? The presumption that everyone
operates out of the most base motives? I'll bet you thank Jesus every
day for his gifts

I have a friend who has figured out that the reason Christians
attribute disgusting motivations to everyone else is that they are
constantly battling those same disgusting motivations within
themselves, and they cannot believe that the rest of us operate under a
diferent set of motivations. They cannot understand that the operative
word in "secular humanist" is "humanist"; that we tend to operate,
without conscious thought or the need to resist any vile impulses, by
principles of humanity and humanitarianism -- courtesy, consideration,
love, trust, and generosity.

My apologies to all the kind, decent Christians who read this. It's
just that those fundamentalist assholes give you all a bad name.


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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I just don't understand why...
 

On 9 Dec 2005 07:09:44 -0800, Oci-One Kanubi wrote:

RkyMtnHootOwl wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:53:25 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/8/05 4:43 PM:

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:02:35 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
...
snip
Not to disparage the dead, but consider this, two people together, a
49 year old guy with all his attributes, and a 26 year old gal with
all her uh "attributes"
snip

Why did you say it if you don't know what it means?


I did not say I don't know what I mean, why don't you take a SWAG at
what I mean?


Why not take a SWAG? Well, because most of us are not the kind of
decent upright Christians who go around with our minds in the gutter.
Most of us do not assume that when two colleagues, working out of town,
want to try a recreational activity that doesn't interest anyone else
in their workgroup, that there must be a sexual basis for their
interest. It would certainly never have occured to me without yer
tacky inuendo.

Is this what Jesus has given you? A mean-sprited, narrow-minded,
fault-finding, back-biting view of life? The presumption that everyone
operates out of the most base motives? I'll bet you thank Jesus every
day for his gifts

I have a friend who has figured out that the reason Christians
attribute disgusting motivations to everyone else is that they are
constantly battling those same disgusting motivations within
themselves, and they cannot believe that the rest of us operate under a
diferent set of motivations. They cannot understand that the operative
word in "secular humanist" is "humanist"; that we tend to operate,
without conscious thought or the need to resist any vile impulses, by
principles of humanity and humanitarianism -- courtesy, consideration,
love, trust, and generosity.

My apologies to all the kind, decent Christians who read this. It's
just that those fundamentalist assholes give you all a bad name.


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty

Richard, First off, I don't recall saying anything about Christian
values or morals, or anything along that line. I was just making a
comment about the reality of the world in which we live! If you have
difficulty dealing with reality, I would recommend a good reality
check. It seems that your high minded humanist principles knew exactly
what I was referring to. I don't think you claim to be a Christian, so
I expect that those awareness' to the inuendos, like it or not, come
from your deep well of high-browed humanism. Your gutter was already
there, if you choose to ignore it, and then complain when it is
brought into view, I suggest that is your problem.

Secondly I was not saying that I understood all the facts of the case,
since we were given little info. However the jist of this thread is
why do people do stupid things, and one major reason often involves
mixing relationships under the circumstances that these two found
themselves. They may have been totally up and up in what they were up
to, but that would not change the theme of the thread.

Third, If you choose to write a memorial to these outstanding upright,
colleagues, then I would suggest that this is not the forum or the
thread for that statement. I find it amusing whenever someone dies,
and all the sad sacks come out and post "Oh how terrible it is" when
the people who died were doing what they wanted to be doing. If they
were up to mischief, that is not the issue except how it teaches us
how to avoid making the same stupid mistakes.

Fourth, If you desire to discuss the Christian ethic, and the Humanist
ethic, I would be glad to do so, but I will leave the door open for
you to make a graceful escape. I have been avoiding that conversation
until now, being content to comment in this NG just as a paddler, with
my eyes open to see reality one day at a time. I do appreciate your
concern about my ongoing view of life, but I assure you that I am
quite happy and well adjusted to the world in which we live, and yes I
do thank Jesus every day for His good gifts, of which my life
overflows!

RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

The pessimist complains about the wind,
the optimist expects it to change,
the realist adjusts the sails.

I just don't understand why...
 

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:53:25 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/8/05 4:43 PM:

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:02:35 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
...
snip
Not to disparage the dead, but consider this, two people together, a
49 year old guy with all his attributes, and a 26 year old gal with
all her uh "attributes"
snip

Why did you say it if you don't know what it means?


I did not say I don't know what I mean, why don't you take a SWAG at
what I mean?

I already told you I have no idea what you are talking about. Is it a
secret? If you know what you meant, why won't you explain it?

snip

Getting back on point, can you please answer the question?

Getting back on point, what specifically is your question?

You've erased them all without answering. But I am happy to repost. Try
following along and stopping each time you see a question mark, and them
following it up with an answer to the question. Here is your original post
and my original questions.

===

Not to disparage the dead, but consider this, two people together, a
49 year old guy with all his attributes, and a 26 year old gal with
all her uh "attributes"

What the christ is that supposed to mean?

[In case this is unclear, I am asking you to explain what you mean by
"attributes"]

makes for a pretty stupid stew

Please explain. Why does a 49 year old guy and a 26 year old gal make for a
stupider stew than, say, a 22 year old guy and a 30 year old gal?

[In case this is unclear, I am asking you to explain what the ages have to
do with it]

Considering that he was married, the disparity of age, probable difference
in
rank, a long way from home, I expect they may have had other things on
their minds.

What the christ are you talking about?

[In case this is unclear, I am asking you to explain what the guy's marital
status and the "disparity of age" between the two paddlers has to do with
their deaths. Further, what do you mean by "probable difference in rank."]

When the mind process is divided, the thinking gets
muddled and stupid decisions follow. The guide may have recommended
that they use the PFD, but was he in any position to make them put
them on, or even hear his recommedation.

The guide may have never said a damned thing. Maybe they got in the kayaks,
and paddled out on the water.

I know a 49 year old that was in a similar situation

What situation???

[I am asking you to explain what the "situation" is and how it was similar]

and made similar bad decisions. Luckily, I lived to write this passage,
but I realize
in hind sight just how stupid, and lucky I was! RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

You mean you used to be MORE STUPID than you are now?!?

This is really stretching the imagination.

===
snip

Why did you say it if you don't know what it means?

I did not say I don't know what I mean, why don't you take a SWAG at
what I mean?

I don't know what you mean, that's why I am asking. Is it a secret? If you
know what you meant, why not simply explain it?

You have no clue. What is known is that they were novices, they had a
guide,
they wore no PFDs, they went to a place where they should not have been.

Yeah, I also have learned that there is usually alot more to the story
than what we have been told! So I try to read between the lines, which
is the point about a discussion group like this!

Fine. But what the christ is it you are reading, and what are the lines?

None of us were there
to be making a truely informed statement, and most don't actually know
the people involved. So most all that is said is conjecture, even what
you have just stated! Did the article say they were novices? How did
you determine they were novices?

The article said so.

snip

I went backcountry skiing by myself,...
snip

What does this have to do with a couple going kayaking with a guide?

Nothing

OK. This is progress. So far, of all your comments about this tragedy,
you've made a number of cryptic comments which you have refused to explain,
and have admitted that your supposed relevant "situation" is in fact
irrelevant.

it has to do with the original question, of why people do
stupid things! In this story a couple is kayaking, in mine, I did
stupid things. Similarity may stop there, but we can look at
ourselves, and usually find where we have also done stupid things.
Have you any stupid human stunts to your credit?

Yes, of course. For example, I really thought it was possible you might be
less of an asshole in talking about this tragedy.

snip

Add the feature of a couple of hot-blooded young adventurers

How do you know they were "hot-blooded young adventurers?" What the hell
are
you talking about?

Why don't you take a SWAG at what I am talking about?

I don't know what you are talking about, that's why I asked. Is it a secret?
If you know what it is you are talking about, why not simply explain it?

Although I will
admit, that at 49, he was not that young, but obviously still able to
make some stupid decisions!

That's extremely insightful (not).

to the
mix, and things can get real exciting. I did not see the Discovery
Channel special about the survival of some seakayakers, which is being
discussed on Paddlewise. If they had been opposite sex, the story
would have been on ABC primetime!

Any chance you can possibly stay on the topic of these two people that
died
and your bizarre and unsubstantiated comments about them?

Any chance you can take a SWAG at what and why I am saying what I
wrote, or are you naive?

Apparently I am naïve because I don't know what you are talking about. If it
is not a secret, why can't you explain it?

snip

You mean you used to be MORE STUPID than you are now?!?

No, now I am just perfecting it!

There's not much room for improvement.

Real people can always improve, we are not perfect like you!

You missed what I was saying. You said you were working at perfecting being
stupid. I am saying that I think you have done a find job. But I am sure you
can improve.

This is really stretching the imagination.

Oh, sorry about that, overexertion is a problem, for some! Especially
a nonentity cyber-identity who has never done anything really, but
assimilate real people experiences. You can do everything, anything,
perfectly, with no stupid moments! Must be nice! RknMtnHootOwl OvO

Yet another attempt at a dodge.

You've made stupid satement after stupid statement in this thread.

And yours are brilliant?

Thus far I am simply seeking to have explanations for your comments about
this tragedy.

You obviously like the word "stupid"! Reminds me of a little kid who
discovers a new word, and uses it in every statement they make for a
day or two, or until they learn a new word! Are you a little child?
What is your new word for today? RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

Now that you have decided to not even attempt to explain your statements, I
would upgrade you from stupid to pathetic.

I just don't understand why...
 

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
. ..
On 9 Dec 2005 07:09:44 -0800, Oci-One Kanubi wrote:

RkyMtnHootOwl wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:53:25 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl
at
wrote on 12/8/05 4:43 PM:

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:02:35 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
...
snip
Not to disparage the dead, but consider this, two people together, a
49 year old guy with all his attributes, and a 26 year old gal with
all her uh "attributes"
snip

Why did you say it if you don't know what it means?


I did not say I don't know what I mean, why don't you take a SWAG at
what I mean?


Why not take a SWAG? Well, because most of us are not the kind of
decent upright Christians who go around with our minds in the gutter.
Most of us do not assume that when two colleagues, working out of town,
want to try a recreational activity that doesn't interest anyone else
in their workgroup, that there must be a sexual basis for their
interest. It would certainly never have occured to me without yer
tacky inuendo.

Is this what Jesus has given you? A mean-sprited, narrow-minded,
fault-finding, back-biting view of life? The presumption that everyone
operates out of the most base motives? I'll bet you thank Jesus every
day for his gifts

I have a friend who has figured out that the reason Christians
attribute disgusting motivations to everyone else is that they are
constantly battling those same disgusting motivations within
themselves, and they cannot believe that the rest of us operate under a
diferent set of motivations. They cannot understand that the operative
word in "secular humanist" is "humanist"; that we tend to operate,
without conscious thought or the need to resist any vile impulses, by
principles of humanity and humanitarianism -- courtesy, consideration,
love, trust, and generosity.

My apologies to all the kind, decent Christians who read this. It's
just that those fundamentalist assholes give you all a bad name.


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty

Richard, First off, I don't recall saying anything about Christian
values or morals, or anything along that line. I was just making a
comment about the reality of the world in which we live!

What "reality" are you talking about?

If you have difficulty dealing with reality

What did he say, specifically, that indicates he is having difficulty with
reality?

I would recommend a good reality
check. It seems that your high minded humanist principles knew exactly
what I was referring to.

Whatever it is, why are you keeping it a secret?

I don't think you claim to be a Christian, so
I expect that those awareness' to the inuendos, like it or not, come
from your deep well of high-browed humanism. Your gutter was already
there, if you choose to ignore it, and then complain when it is
brought into view, I suggest that is your problem.

What has been brought into view?

Secondly I was not saying that I understood all the facts of the case,
since we were given little info. However the jist of this thread is
why do people do stupid things, and one major reason often involves
mixing relationships

Do you have evidence that the "mixing of relationsihips" (whatever the
christ that means!) has a direct correlation to increased kayaking tragedies
or other such accidents? If not, what the hell are you talking about?!?

under the circumstances that these two found themselves.

What circumstances?!?!

They may have been totally up and up in what they were up
to, but that would not change the theme of the thread.

What the...? They went kayaking. What the christ are you talking about? Are
you suggesting they were trying to have sex while balancing on the bow? Or
what? What the hell are you talking about?!

Third, If you choose to write a memorial to these outstanding upright,
colleagues, then I would suggest that this is not the forum or the
thread for that statement. I find it amusing whenever someone dies,
and all the sad sacks come out and post "Oh how terrible it is" when
the people who died were doing what they wanted to be doing.

Well, they surely didn't want to be drowning.

If they were up to mischief

What mischief?!?!?!? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

that is not the issue except how it teaches us
how to avoid making the same stupid mistakes.

Isn't the only lesson here that you should wear a PFD and go out on the
ocean in an area you know nothing about?

And secondly that kayaking guides should not support the above?

Fourth, If you desire to discuss the Christian ethic, and the Humanist
ethic, I would be glad to do so, but I will leave the door open for
you to make a graceful escape. I have been avoiding that conversation
until now, being content to comment in this NG just as a paddler, with
my eyes open to see reality one day at a time. I do appreciate your
concern about my ongoing view of life, but I assure you that I am
quite happy

That could only be true if you are full-blown delusional, because you are
truly one of the more disturbed individuals on usenet.

and well adjusted to the world in which we live, and yes I
do thank Jesus every day for His good gifts, of which my life
overflows!

Like diarrhea from a clogged crapper.

I just don't understand why...
 

On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:12:12 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:53:25 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/8/05 4:43 PM:

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:02:35 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
...
snip

I already told you I have no idea what you are talking about. Is it a
secret? If you know what you meant, why won't you explain it?

Because, You're so smart, I want you to take a SWAG.

snip

Not to disparage the dead, but consider this, two people together, a
49 year old guy with all his attributes, and a 26 year old gal with
all her uh "attributes"

What the christ is that supposed to mean?

[In case this is unclear, I am asking you to explain what you mean by
"attributes"]


Because, You're so smart, I want you to take a SWAG.

makes for a pretty stupid stew

Please explain. Why does a 49 year old guy and a 26 year old gal make for a
stupider stew than, say, a 22 year old guy and a 30 year old gal?

[In case this is unclear, I am asking you to explain what the ages have to
do with it]

Because, You're so smart, I want you to take a SWAG.

Considering that he was married, the disparity of age, probable difference
in
rank, a long way from home, I expect they may have had other things on
their minds.

What the christ are you talking about?

[In case this is unclear, I am asking you to explain what the guy's marital
status and the "disparity of age" between the two paddlers has to do with
their deaths. Further, what do you mean by "probable difference in rank."]

At least you are beginning to deal with the details of what I said,
and your questions become more specific. So I see no hinderance for
you because, you're so smart, I want you to take a SWAG.

I did not find a question in this so I snipped to save bandwidth.

snip

I don't know what you mean, that's why I am asking. Is it a secret? If you
know what you meant, why not simply explain it?


Because, You're so smart, I want you to take a SWAG.

You have no clue. What is known is that they were novices, they had a
guide,
they wore no PFDs, they went to a place where they should not have been.

Yeah, I also have learned that there is usually alot more to the story
than what we have been told! So I try to read between the lines, which
is the point about a discussion group like this!

Fine. But what the christ is it you are reading, and what are the lines?


Because, You're so smart, I want you to take a SWAG.

None of us were there
to be making a truely informed statement, and most don't actually know
the people involved. So most all that is said is conjecture, even what
you have just stated! Did the article say they were novices? How did
you determine they were novices?

The article said so.

Now you are reading between the lines, no where in the article was it
stated that these two were novices. The word was not even used, unless
you are reading somewhere else than the posted link. So obviously you
are able, so take a SWAG at what I am writing about!

snip

I went backcountry skiing by myself,...
snip

What does this have to do with a couple going kayaking with a guide?

Nothing

OK. This is progress. So far, of all your comments about this tragedy,
you've made a number of cryptic comments which you have refused to explain,
and have admitted that your supposed relevant "situation" is in fact
irrelevant.

I don't recall that I admitted such a thing! How you do snip to your
cryptic convinence! Smart boy!

it has to do with the original question, of why people do
stupid things! In this story a couple is kayaking, in mine, I did
stupid things. Similarity may stop there, but we can look at
ourselves, and usually find where we have also done stupid things.
Have you any stupid human stunts to your credit?

Yes, of course. For example, I really thought it was possible you might be
less of an asshole in talking about this tragedy.

Such childish language from someone so smart and well educated. I
guess well bred does not necessarily come in the package?
snip

I don't know what you are talking about, that's why I asked. Is it a secret?
If you know what it is you are talking about, why not simply explain it?

Because, You're so smart, I want you to take a SWAG.

Although I will
admit, that at 49, he was not that young, but obviously still able to
make some stupid decisions!

That's extremely insightful (not).

Some more deep insight on your part, not!

snip

Apparently I am naïve because I don't know what you are talking about. If it
is not a secret, why can't you explain it?

Well you finally admit that you are so naive that you can't figure it
out? Maybe there is something to the perception that Canadians are
naive, humm? But still why don't you take a SWAG!

snip

You missed what I was saying. You said you were working at perfecting being
stupid. I am saying that I think you have done a find job. But I am sure you
can improve.

On this I am sure you are correct, I can always improve!

snip

And yours are brilliant?

Thus far I am simply seeking to have explanations for your comments about
this tragedy.

And I am seeking your SWAG!

You obviously like the word "stupid"! Reminds me of a little kid who
discovers a new word, and uses it in every statement they make for a
day or two, or until they learn a new word! Are you a little child?
What is your new word for today? RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

Now that you have decided to not even attempt to explain your statements, I
would upgrade you from stupid to pathetic.

Is that your new word? It does have 2 more letters, so I am sure that
must be exciting for you! RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

I just don't understand why...
 

On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:20:52 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
. ..
On 9 Dec 2005 07:09:44 -0800, Oci-One Kanubi wrote:

RkyMtnHootOwl wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:53:25 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl
at
wrote on 12/8/05 4:43 PM:

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:02:35 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
...
snip
Not to disparage the dead, but consider this, two people together, a
49 year old guy with all his attributes, and a 26 year old gal with
all her uh "attributes"
snip

Why did you say it if you don't know what it means?


I did not say I don't know what I mean, why don't you take a SWAG at
what I mean?


Why not take a SWAG? Well, because most of us are not the kind of
decent upright Christians who go around with our minds in the gutter.
Most of us do not assume that when two colleagues, working out of town,
want to try a recreational activity that doesn't interest anyone else
in their workgroup, that there must be a sexual basis for their
interest. It would certainly never have occured to me without yer
tacky inuendo.

Is this what Jesus has given you? A mean-sprited, narrow-minded,
fault-finding, back-biting view of life? The presumption that everyone
operates out of the most base motives? I'll bet you thank Jesus every
day for his gifts

I have a friend who has figured out that the reason Christians
attribute disgusting motivations to everyone else is that they are
constantly battling those same disgusting motivations within
themselves, and they cannot believe that the rest of us operate under a
diferent set of motivations. They cannot understand that the operative
word in "secular humanist" is "humanist"; that we tend to operate,
without conscious thought or the need to resist any vile impulses, by
principles of humanity and humanitarianism -- courtesy, consideration,
love, trust, and generosity.

My apologies to all the kind, decent Christians who read this. It's
just that those fundamentalist assholes give you all a bad name.


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty

Richard, First off, I don't recall saying anything about Christian
values or morals, or anything along that line. I was just making a
comment about the reality of the world in which we live!

What "reality" are you talking about?

Is your name Richard?
If you have difficulty dealing with reality

What did he say, specifically, that indicates he is having difficulty with
reality?

Is your name Richard?

I would recommend a good reality
check. It seems that your high minded humanist principles knew exactly
what I was referring to.

Whatever it is, why are you keeping it a secret?

Is your name Richard?

I don't think you claim to be a Christian, so
I expect that those awareness' to the inuendos, like it or not, come
from your deep well of high-browed humanism. Your gutter was already
there, if you choose to ignore it, and then complain when it is
brought into view, I suggest that is your problem.

What has been brought into view?

Is your name Richard?

Secondly I was not saying that I understood all the facts of the case,
since we were given little info. However the jist of this thread is
why do people do stupid things, and one major reason often involves
mixing relationships

Do you have evidence that the "mixing of relationsihips" (whatever the
christ that means!) has a direct correlation to increased kayaking tragedies
or other such accidents? If not, what the hell are you talking about?!?

Is your name Richard?

under the circumstances that these two found themselves.

What circumstances?!?!

Is your name Richard?

They may have been totally up and up in what they were up
to, but that would not change the theme of the thread.

What the...? They went kayaking. What the christ are you talking about? Are
you suggesting they were trying to have sex while balancing on the bow? Or
what? What the hell are you talking about?!

Is your name Richard?

Third, If you choose to write a memorial to these outstanding upright,
colleagues, then I would suggest that this is not the forum or the
thread for that statement. I find it amusing whenever someone dies,
and all the sad sacks come out and post "Oh how terrible it is" when
the people who died were doing what they wanted to be doing.

Well, they surely didn't want to be drowning.

Is your name Richard?

If they were up to mischief

What mischief?!?!?!? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

Is your name Richard?

that is not the issue except how it teaches us
how to avoid making the same stupid mistakes.

Isn't the only lesson here that you should wear a PFD and go out on the
ocean in an area you know nothing about?

And secondly that kayaking guides should not support the above?

Is your name Richard?

Fourth, If you desire to discuss the Christian ethic, and the Humanist
ethic, I would be glad to do so, but I will leave the door open for
you to make a graceful escape. I have been avoiding that conversation
until now, being content to comment in this NG just as a paddler, with
my eyes open to see reality one day at a time. I do appreciate your
concern about my ongoing view of life, but I assure you that I am
quite happy

That could only be true if you are full-blown delusional, because you are
truly one of the more disturbed individuals on usenet.

Is your name Richard?

and well adjusted to the world in which we live, and yes I
do thank Jesus every day for His good gifts, of which my life
overflows!

Like diarrhea from a clogged crapper.

Is your name Richard?

I just don't understand why...
 

I'll get back to you when you improve yer reading comprehension skills
to the point where yer response actually addresses my remarks.

'Til then, attempting to communicate with you is just a waste of my
time, so I'm outta here.

RkyMtnHootOwl wrote:
On 9 Dec 2005 07:09:44 -0800, Oci-One Kanubi wrote:

RkyMtnHootOwl wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:53:25 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/8/05 4:43 PM:

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:02:35 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
...
snip
Not to disparage the dead, but consider this, two people together, a
49 year old guy with all his attributes, and a 26 year old gal with
all her uh "attributes"
snip

Why did you say it if you don't know what it means?


I did not say I don't know what I mean, why don't you take a SWAG at
what I mean?


Why not take a SWAG? Well, because most of us are not the kind of
decent upright Christians who go around with our minds in the gutter.
Most of us do not assume that when two colleagues, working out of town,
want to try a recreational activity that doesn't interest anyone else
in their workgroup, that there must be a sexual basis for their
interest. It would certainly never have occured to me without yer
tacky inuendo.

Is this what Jesus has given you? A mean-sprited, narrow-minded,
fault-finding, back-biting view of life? The presumption that everyone
operates out of the most base motives? I'll bet you thank Jesus every
day for his gifts

I have a friend who has figured out that the reason Christians
attribute disgusting motivations to everyone else is that they are
constantly battling those same disgusting motivations within
themselves, and they cannot believe that the rest of us operate under a
diferent set of motivations. They cannot understand that the operative
word in "secular humanist" is "humanist"; that we tend to operate,
without conscious thought or the need to resist any vile impulses, by
principles of humanity and humanitarianism -- courtesy, consideration,
love, trust, and generosity.

My apologies to all the kind, decent Christians who read this. It's
just that those fundamentalist assholes give you all a bad name.


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty

Richard, First off, I don't recall saying anything about Christian
values or morals, or anything along that line. I was just making a
comment about the reality of the world in which we live! If you have
difficulty dealing with reality, I would recommend a good reality
check. It seems that your high minded humanist principles knew exactly
what I was referring to. I don't think you claim to be a Christian, so
I expect that those awareness' to the inuendos, like it or not, come
from your deep well of high-browed humanism. Your gutter was already
there, if you choose to ignore it, and then complain when it is
brought into view, I suggest that is your problem.

Secondly I was not saying that I understood all the facts of the case,
since we were given little info. However the jist of this thread is
why do people do stupid things, and one major reason often involves
mixing relationships under the circumstances that these two found
themselves. They may have been totally up and up in what they were up
to, but that would not change the theme of the thread.

Third, If you choose to write a memorial to these outstanding upright,
colleagues, then I would suggest that this is not the forum or the
thread for that statement. I find it amusing whenever someone dies,
and all the sad sacks come out and post "Oh how terrible it is" when
the people who died were doing what they wanted to be doing. If they
were up to mischief, that is not the issue except how it teaches us
how to avoid making the same stupid mistakes.

Fourth, If you desire to discuss the Christian ethic, and the Humanist
ethic, I would be glad to do so, but I will leave the door open for
you to make a graceful escape. I have been avoiding that conversation
until now, being content to comment in this NG just as a paddler, with
my eyes open to see reality one day at a time. I do appreciate your
concern about my ongoing view of life, but I assure you that I am
quite happy and well adjusted to the world in which we live, and yes I
do thank Jesus every day for His good gifts, of which my life
overflows!

RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

The pessimist complains about the wind,
the optimist expects it to change,
the realist adjusts the sails.

I just don't understand why...
 

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:12:12 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:53:25 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl
at
wrote on 12/8/05 4:43 PM:

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:02:35 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
...
snip

I already told you I have no idea what you are talking about. Is it a
secret? If you know what you meant, why won't you explain it?

Because, You're so smart, I want you to take a SWAG.

I took a guess in a different post that you thought they were trying to have
sex on the bow of a kayak and fell in, or something. Sounds ridiculous,
obviously, but I really have no idea what you are getting at. So that's my
guess. Now can you reveal the secret?

snip

Not to disparage the dead, but consider this, two people together, a
49 year old guy with all his attributes, and a 26 year old gal with
all her uh "attributes"

What the christ is that supposed to mean?

[In case this is unclear, I am asking you to explain what you mean by
"attributes"]

Because, You're so smart, I want you to take a SWAG.

I have no guess on this one. Why is it a secret?

makes for a pretty stupid stew

Please explain. Why does a 49 year old guy and a 26 year old gal make for
a
stupider stew than, say, a 22 year old guy and a 30 year old gal?

[In case this is unclear, I am asking you to explain what the ages have
to
do with it]

Because, You're so smart, I want you to take a SWAG.

Again, I really have no guess. Seems to me, in general, a 22 year old is
going to be less risk-averse than a 49 year old. So, I don't know. Why is it
a secret?

Considering that he was married, the disparity of age, probable
difference
in
rank, a long way from home, I expect they may have had other things on
their minds.

What the christ are you talking about?

[In case this is unclear, I am asking you to explain what the guy's
marital
status and the "disparity of age" between the two paddlers has to do with
their deaths. Further, what do you mean by "probable difference in
rank."]

At least you are beginning to deal with the details of what I said

I have all along.

and your questions become more specific.

Only because you continue to dodge any and all efforts are giving specifics
of your own.

So I see no hinderance for
you because, you're so smart, I want you to take a SWAG.

And so it continues.

I did not find a question in this so I snipped to save bandwidth.

snip

I don't know what you mean, that's why I am asking. Is it a secret? If
you
know what you meant, why not simply explain it?

Because, You're so smart, I want you to take a SWAG.

I really have no idea. If you intend to keep it a secret, just say so.

You have no clue. What is known is that they were novices, they had a
guide,
they wore no PFDs, they went to a place where they should not have
been.

Yeah, I also have learned that there is usually alot more to the story
than what we have been told! So I try to read between the lines, which
is the point about a discussion group like this!

Fine. But what the christ is it you are reading, and what are the lines?

Because, You're so smart, I want you to take a SWAG.

I really have no idea. If you intend to keep it a secret, just say so.

None of us were there
to be making a truely informed statement, and most don't actually know
the people involved. So most all that is said is conjecture, even what
you have just stated! Did the article say they were novices? How did
you determine they were novices?

The article said so.

Now you are reading between the lines, no where in the article was it
stated that these two were novices. The word was not even used, unless
you are reading somewhere else than the posted link. So obviously you
are able, so take a SWAG at what I am writing about!

I'll try to find the reference for you.

snip

I went backcountry skiing by myself,...
snip

What does this have to do with a couple going kayaking with a guide?

Nothing

OK. This is progress. So far, of all your comments about this tragedy,
you've made a number of cryptic comments which you have refused to
explain,
and have admitted that your supposed relevant "situation" is in fact
irrelevant.

I don't recall that I admitted such a thing! How you do snip to your
cryptic convinence! Smart boy!

You mean you think the fact that you went skiing by yourself and got lost
does bear some relevance to the tragedy that is the topic of this thread.
Sigh. I guess this is part of your brilliant point that human beings do
stupid things sometimes?

it has to do with the original question, of why people do
stupid things! In this story a couple is kayaking, in mine, I did
stupid things. Similarity may stop there, but we can look at
ourselves, and usually find where we have also done stupid things.
Have you any stupid human stunts to your credit?

Yes, of course. For example, I really thought it was possible you might
be
less of an asshole in talking about this tragedy.

Such childish language from someone so smart and well educated. I
guess well bred does not necessarily come in the package?
snip

The word is perfectly accurate. Calling you contemptible and detestable
would carry the same meaning, but most people do better with "asshole" and
to me it does a better job of describing your behaviour.

I don't know what you are talking about, that's why I asked. Is it a
secret?
If you know what it is you are talking about, why not simply explain it?

Because, You're so smart, I want you to take a SWAG.

I really have no idea. If you intend to keep it a secret, just say so.

Although I will
admit, that at 49, he was not that young, but obviously still able to
make some stupid decisions!

That's extremely insightful (not).

Some more deep insight on your part, not!

snip

Apparently I am naïve because I don't know what you are talking about. If
it
is not a secret, why can't you explain it?

Well you finally admit that you are so naive that you can't figure it
out? Maybe there is something to the perception that Canadians are
naive, humm? But still why don't you take a SWAG!

I really have no idea. If you intend to keep it a secret, just say so.

Things are even more obscured now that you are suggesting one's nationality
has something to do with it.

You missed what I was saying. You said you were working at perfecting
being
stupid. I am saying that I think you have done a find job. But I am sure
you
can improve.

On this I am sure you are correct, I can always improve!

For you to demonstrate enhanced stupidity would be a remarkable achievement,
but you show me each and every day you are capable of it!

snip

And yours are brilliant?

Thus far I am simply seeking to have explanations for your comments about
this tragedy.

And I am seeking your SWAG!

I really have no idea. If you intend to keep it a secret, just say so.

You obviously like the word "stupid"! Reminds me of a little kid who
discovers a new word, and uses it in every statement they make for a
day or two, or until they learn a new word! Are you a little child?
What is your new word for today? RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

Now that you have decided to not even attempt to explain your statements,
I
would upgrade you from stupid to pathetic.

Is that your new word? It does have 2 more letters, so I am sure that
must be exciting for you! RkyMtnHootOwl OvO

No.

I just don't understand why...
 

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:20:52 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in message
. ..
On 9 Dec 2005 07:09:44 -0800, Oci-One Kanubi wrote:

RkyMtnHootOwl wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:53:25 -0500, KMAN wrote:

in article , RkyMtnHootOwl
at
wrote on 12/8/05 4:43 PM:

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:02:35 -0500, KMAN wrote:

"RkyMtnHootOwl" wrote in
message
...
snip
Not to disparage the dead, but consider this, two people together,
a
49 year old guy with all his attributes, and a 26 year old gal
with
all her uh "attributes"
snip

Why did you say it if you don't know what it means?


I did not say I don't know what I mean, why don't you take a SWAG at
what I mean?


Why not take a SWAG? Well, because most of us are not the kind of
decent upright Christians who go around with our minds in the gutter.
Most of us do not assume that when two colleagues, working out of town,
want to try a recreational activity that doesn't interest anyone else
in their workgroup, that there must be a sexual basis for their
interest. It would certainly never have occured to me without yer
tacky inuendo.

Is this what Jesus has given you? A mean-sprited, narrow-minded,
fault-finding, back-biting view of life? The presumption that everyone
operates out of the most base motives? I'll bet you thank Jesus every
day for his gifts

I have a friend who has figured out that the reason Christians
attribute disgusting motivations to everyone else is that they are
constantly battling those same disgusting motivations within
themselves, and they cannot believe that the rest of us operate under a
diferent set of motivations. They cannot understand that the operative
word in "secular humanist" is "humanist"; that we tend to operate,
without conscious thought or the need to resist any vile impulses, by
principles of humanity and humanitarianism -- courtesy, consideration,
love, trust, and generosity.

My apologies to all the kind, decent Christians who read this. It's
just that those fundamentalist assholes give you all a bad name.


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty

Richard, First off, I don't recall saying anything about Christian
values or morals, or anything along that line. I was just making a
comment about the reality of the world in which we live!

What "reality" are you talking about?

Is your name Richard?

No. This is a newsgroup, not Richard's email account.

Why not answer the question?

If you have difficulty dealing with reality

What did he say, specifically, that indicates he is having difficulty
with
reality?

Is your name Richard?

No. This is a newsgroup, not Richard's email account.

Why not answer the question?

I would recommend a good reality
check. It seems that your high minded humanist principles knew exactly
what I was referring to.

Whatever it is, why are you keeping it a secret?

Is your name Richard?

No. This is a newsgroup, not Richard's email account.

Why not answer the question?

I don't think you claim to be a Christian, so
I expect that those awareness' to the inuendos, like it or not, come
from your deep well of high-browed humanism. Your gutter was already
there, if you choose to ignore it, and then complain when it is
brought into view, I suggest that is your problem.

What has been brought into view?

Is your name Richard?

No. This is a newsgroup, not Richard's email account.

Why not answer the question?

Secondly I was not saying that I understood all the facts of the case,
since we were given little info. However the jist of this thread is
why do people do stupid things, and one major reason often involves
mixing relationships

Do you have evidence that the "mixing of relationsihips" (whatever the
christ that means!) has a direct correlation to increased kayaking
tragedies
or other such accidents? If not, what the hell are you talking about?!?

Is your name Richard?

No. This is a newsgroup, not Richard's email account.

Why not answer the question?

under the circumstances that these two found themselves.

What circumstances?!?!

Is your name Richard?

No. This is a newsgroup, not Richard's email account.

Why not answer the question?

They may have been totally up and up in what they were up
to, but that would not change the theme of the thread.

What the...? They went kayaking. What the christ are you talking about?
Are
you suggesting they were trying to have sex while balancing on the bow?
Or
what? What the hell are you talking about?!

Is your name Richard?

No. This is a newsgroup, not Richard's email account.

Why not answer the question?

Third, If you choose to write a memorial to these outstanding upright,
colleagues, then I would suggest that this is not the forum or the
thread for that statement. I find it amusing whenever someone dies,
and all the sad sacks come out and post "Oh how terrible it is" when
the people who died were doing what they wanted to be doing.

Well, they surely didn't want to be drowning.

Is your name Richard?

No. This is a newsgroup, not Richard's email account.

Why not answer the question?

If they were up to mischief

What mischief?!?!?!? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

Is your name Richard?

No. This is a newsgroup, not Richard's email account.

Why not answer the question?

that is not the issue except how it teaches us
how to avoid making the same stupid mistakes.

Isn't the only lesson here that you should wear a PFD and go out on the
ocean in an area you know nothing about?

And secondly that kayaking guides should not support the above?

Is your name Richard?

No. This is a newsgroup, not Richard's email account.

Why not answer the question?

Fourth, If you desire to discuss the Christian ethic, and the Humanist
ethic, I would be glad to do so, but I will leave the door open for
you to make a graceful escape. I have been avoiding that conversation
until now, being content to comment in this NG just as a paddler, with
my eyes open to see reality one day at a time. I do appreciate your
concern about my ongoing view of life, but I assure you that I am
quite happy

That could only be true if you are full-blown delusional, because you are
truly one of the more disturbed individuals on usenet.

Is your name Richard?

No. This is a newsgroup, not Richard's email account.

Why not answer the question?

and well adjusted to the world in which we live, and yes I
do thank Jesus every day for His good gifts, of which my life
overflows!

Like diarrhea from a clogged crapper.

Is your name Richard?

No. This is a newsgroup, not Richard's email account.

Why not answer the question?