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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:54:55 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:

"P Fritz" wrote in message
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Besides the fact that increasing cafe standards has costs thousands of
lives
and millions of dollars........but that doesn't matter to the liebrals.

Cost lives? How's that?

The theory is that small fuel efficient cars are not as safe as land
sleds. I've read an estimate that CAFE standards might have added 2000
additional traffic fatalities since the 70s.


Oh well.

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Is it just me, or does Harry seem like he might have suffered some minor
strokes over the holidays?


"Jack Goff" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:07:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:

From a link on the 'Time' site:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...134773,00.html

Why do overseas firms seem to thrive, building profitable cars with U.S.
workers, while Detroit languishes? For example, in the first quarter of
2005,
Nissan made $1,603 on every vehicle sold in North America, while GM lost
$2,311,
according to Harbour Consulting. For starters, the transplants,
generally with
reputations for higher quality than American brands, don't offer the
deep
discounts that U.S. makers employ. **And foreign manufacturers don't
carry the
legacy costs that drag U.S. companies down.** [Emphasis added] Workers
at
foreign companies' nonunion shops make roughly the same in wages and
benefits as
unionized employees in Detroit. But Asian and European firms, with
younger
workforces in the U.S., aren't saddled with crippling pension and
health-care
obligations. GM spends $1,525 per vehicle in the U.S. on health care,
compared
with $300 per vehicle at Toyota.


They have national health insurance, or variations on it. D'oh.

Not here in the US, where the comparison was taken. D'oh.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message ...
NYOB,

Can you believe Harry thinks the US Toyota employees have national
healthcare? I wonder if they have to go to Tokyo for a doctor visit?

Did you see the movie "Gung-ho" with Michael Keaton? They have mandatory
fitness breaks. That's how they stay so damn healthy.





This is fascinating. You simpies believe there is no relationship between
Toyota's prices and profits on what it assembles here and
its manufacturing costs in Japan, which are subsidized in many ways by the
government there?

Toyota's workers here are covered by insurance Toyota provides here, but
that doesn't mean its profitability on what it "builds" here is not
impacted by its operations in Japan.

That's just plain dumb. My neighbor Delmar sez compnes in other countrys
aint sposed ta trade spit wit their branches here. It's like a rule or
sumthin.

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Harry,
Since the big 3 and their subsidiaries manufacture cars in Mexico, Canada,
Europe and Asia isn't your statement true for American Auto Makers.

Is it possible you have no idea what you are talking about?



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message ...
NYOB,

Can you believe Harry thinks the US Toyota employees have national
healthcare? I wonder if they have to go to Tokyo for a doctor visit?

Did you see the movie "Gung-ho" with Michael Keaton? They have mandatory
fitness breaks. That's how they stay so damn healthy.





This is fascinating. You simpies believe there is no relationship between
Toyota's prices and profits on what it assembles here and
its manufacturing costs in Japan, which are subsidized in many ways by the
government there?

Toyota's workers here are covered by insurance Toyota provides here, but
that doesn't mean its profitability on what it "builds" here is not
impacted by its operations in Japan.


--
You were right, it's all abut character. Impeach Bush Now.

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Doug,

Since the big 3 and their subsidiaries manufacture cars in Mexico, Canada,
Europe and Asia isn't your statement true for American Auto Makers.

Do you honestly believe the solution to the higher cost for auto makers is
national health care? National Health Care might be a very viable solution
for Americans, but transferring the payments for health care from one pocket
to another pocket, will not make the cars cost any less.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message ...
NYOB,

Can you believe Harry thinks the US Toyota employees have national
healthcare? I wonder if they have to go to Tokyo for a doctor visit?

Did you see the movie "Gung-ho" with Michael Keaton? They have
mandatory fitness breaks. That's how they stay so damn healthy.





This is fascinating. You simpies believe there is no relationship between
Toyota's prices and profits on what it assembles here and
its manufacturing costs in Japan, which are subsidized in many ways by
the government there?

Toyota's workers here are covered by insurance Toyota provides here, but
that doesn't mean its profitability on what it "builds" here is not
impacted by its operations in Japan.

That's just plain dumb. My neighbor Delmar sez compnes in other countrys
aint sposed ta trade spit wit their branches here. It's like a rule or
sumthin.

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I'm gawn go aks Delmar.

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
Doug,

Since the big 3 and their subsidiaries manufacture cars in Mexico, Canada,
Europe and Asia isn't your statement true for American Auto Makers.

Do you honestly believe the solution to the higher cost for auto makers is
national health care? National Health Care might be a very viable
solution for Americans, but transferring the payments for health care from
one pocket to another pocket, will not make the cars cost any less.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message ...
NYOB,

Can you believe Harry thinks the US Toyota employees have national
healthcare? I wonder if they have to go to Tokyo for a doctor visit?

Did you see the movie "Gung-ho" with Michael Keaton? They have
mandatory fitness breaks. That's how they stay so damn healthy.





This is fascinating. You simpies believe there is no relationship
between Toyota's prices and profits on what it assembles here and
its manufacturing costs in Japan, which are subsidized in many ways by
the government there?

Toyota's workers here are covered by insurance Toyota provides here, but
that doesn't mean its profitability on what it "builds" here is not
impacted by its operations in Japan.

That's just plain dumb. My neighbor Delmar sez compnes in other countrys
aint sposed ta trade spit wit their branches here. It's like a rule or
sumthin.

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Doug,
Good idea.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I'm gawn go aks Delmar.

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message ...
Doug,

Since the big 3 and their subsidiaries manufacture cars in Mexico,
Canada, Europe and Asia isn't your statement true for American Auto
Makers.

Do you honestly believe the solution to the higher cost for auto makers
is national health care? National Health Care might be a very viable
solution for Americans, but transferring the payments for health care
from one pocket to another pocket, will not make the cars cost any less.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message ...
NYOB,

Can you believe Harry thinks the US Toyota employees have national
healthcare? I wonder if they have to go to Tokyo for a doctor visit?

Did you see the movie "Gung-ho" with Michael Keaton? They have
mandatory fitness breaks. That's how they stay so damn healthy.





This is fascinating. You simpies believe there is no relationship
between Toyota's prices and profits on what it assembles here and
its manufacturing costs in Japan, which are subsidized in many ways by
the government there?

Toyota's workers here are covered by insurance Toyota provides here,
but that doesn't mean its profitability on what it "builds" here is not
impacted by its operations in Japan.

That's just plain dumb. My neighbor Delmar sez compnes in other countrys
aint sposed ta trade spit wit their branches here. It's like a rule or
sumthin.

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"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
Doug,

Since the big 3 and their subsidiaries manufacture cars in Mexico, Canada,
Europe and Asia isn't your statement true for American Auto Makers.

the silence is deafening

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Delmar dint say nuthin' about health care. He jest sez it's dumb ta think
the momma company dont share no spare change with their fasilties hear.

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
Doug,

Since the big 3 and their subsidiaries manufacture cars in Mexico, Canada,
Europe and Asia isn't your statement true for American Auto Makers.

Do you honestly believe the solution to the higher cost for auto makers is
national health care? National Health Care might be a very viable
solution for Americans, but transferring the payments for health care from
one pocket to another pocket, will not make the cars cost any less.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message ...
NYOB,

Can you believe Harry thinks the US Toyota employees have national
healthcare? I wonder if they have to go to Tokyo for a doctor visit?

Did you see the movie "Gung-ho" with Michael Keaton? They have
mandatory fitness breaks. That's how they stay so damn healthy.





This is fascinating. You simpies believe there is no relationship
between Toyota's prices and profits on what it assembles here and
its manufacturing costs in Japan, which are subsidized in many ways by
the government there?

Toyota's workers here are covered by insurance Toyota provides here, but
that doesn't mean its profitability on what it "builds" here is not
impacted by its operations in Japan.

That's just plain dumb. My neighbor Delmar sez compnes in other countrys
aint sposed ta trade spit wit their branches here. It's like a rule or
sumthin.

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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:46:12 -0500, Lord Reginald Smithers wrote:


Do you honestly believe the solution to the higher cost for auto makers is
national health care? National Health Care might be a very viable
solution for Americans, but transferring the payments for health care from
one pocket to another pocket, will not make the cars cost any less.

Perhaps not national health care, but clearly our health costs put us at a
disadvantage. Our health care costs are 15% GDP. IIRC, no other nation
has costs over 10% GDP. There is no denying, those costs affect our
competitiveness internationally.