Well it was a knock on paddling flat water after all, and to be honest
everyone I boat with here in the East for the most part are very very
considerate of land owners wishes, and if an access issue, permission is
always asked first and honored if refused. This also goes for respecting
fishermen possibly encountered while sharing streams. As for the Eagles,
it's totally beyond me, and remember I have no idea of the circumstance
you're speaking of, how paddling past a nest, which are usually very high up
could possibly do harm. We're not talking fumes from noisey gas+oil motors
here. I see a nesting pair almost every time I paddle a local stream, and on
more than one occaision see one or the other perched and ripping a fish
apart (yummy) paying me\us no heed. Take care.....
"Scott Weiser" wrote in message
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A Usenet persona calling itself Grip wrote:


Is it worth the risk for an afternoon's flat water float? You'd have to
be
crazy to say yes.

Now THAT changes things, NOTHING is worth a flat water float! Make it a
class IV, and bringin out a whole crew! lol

And if it were class IV water? How would that justify harming (even
potentially) a protected species? Are you so selfish that you truly
believe
that absolutely nothing ought to be allowed to impede your ability to boat
wherever you want, whenever you want?

If not, under what circumstances WOULD you agree to voluntarily avoid a
specific area?

--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

A Usenet persona calling itself Grip wrote:

Well it was a knock on paddling flat water after all, and to be honest
everyone I boat with here in the East for the most part are very very
considerate of land owners wishes, and if an access issue, permission is
always asked first and honored if refused. This also goes for respecting
fishermen possibly encountered while sharing streams.

Good for you! I think that's probable true of most boaters, but I spar with
the zealots who don't give a damn about anything but their own pleasure.

As for the Eagles,
it's totally beyond me, and remember I have no idea of the circumstance
you're speaking of, how paddling past a nest, which are usually very high up
could possibly do harm. We're not talking fumes from noisey gas+oil motors
here.

So what? It's simply a fact that human presence and activity in wildlands
causes wildlife disturbances. The research has been done, and the results
are in.

I see a nesting pair almost every time I paddle a local stream, and on
more than one occaision see one or the other perched and ripping a fish
apart (yummy) paying me\us no heed. Take care.....

As long as it remains that way, you're fine. But again, you cannot
generalize about eagle behavior. Each pair is different, and the amount of
human presence they will tolerate is likewise different.

But you evade answering the questions, which we


And if it were class IV water? How would that justify harming (even
potentially) a protected species? Are you so selfish that you truly
believe
that absolutely nothing ought to be allowed to impede your ability to boat
wherever you want, whenever you want?

If not, under what circumstances WOULD you agree to voluntarily avoid a
specific area?

--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

I do not justify harming anything or anyone, I've simply never seen such a
case where paddling any stream I've ever been on endangering anything.

"Scott Weiser" wrote in message
...
A Usenet persona calling itself Grip wrote:

Well it was a knock on paddling flat water after all, and to be honest
everyone I boat with here in the East for the most part are very very
considerate of land owners wishes, and if an access issue, permission is
always asked first and honored if refused. This also goes for respecting
fishermen possibly encountered while sharing streams.

Good for you! I think that's probable true of most boaters, but I spar
with
the zealots who don't give a damn about anything but their own pleasure.

As for the Eagles,
it's totally beyond me, and remember I have no idea of the circumstance
you're speaking of, how paddling past a nest, which are usually very
high up
could possibly do harm. We're not talking fumes from noisey gas+oil
motors
here.

So what? It's simply a fact that human presence and activity in wildlands
causes wildlife disturbances. The research has been done, and the results
are in.

I see a nesting pair almost every time I paddle a local stream, and on
more than one occaision see one or the other perched and ripping a fish
apart (yummy) paying me\us no heed. Take care.....

As long as it remains that way, you're fine. But again, you cannot
generalize about eagle behavior. Each pair is different, and the amount of
human presence they will tolerate is likewise different.

But you evade answering the questions, which we


And if it were class IV water? How would that justify harming (even
potentially) a protected species? Are you so selfish that you truly
believe
that absolutely nothing ought to be allowed to impede your ability to
boat
wherever you want, whenever you want?

If not, under what circumstances WOULD you agree to voluntarily avoid a
specific area?

--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

A Usenet persona calling itself Grip wrote:

I do not justify harming anything or anyone, I've simply never seen such a
case where paddling any stream I've ever been on endangering anything.

How would you know if you're disturbing wildlife or not? Even if you observe
one type of wildlife you don't appear to be disturbing, how can you be sure
that you're not disturbing other species? Are you aware of every species
along the river and what your impact on each is? Of course you aren't.

We have to look at the research into such disturbances to determine your
impacts, and the research says you are certainly impacting, to one degree or
another, all wildlife you encounter along the river, whether you see them or
not.

If your presence causes an animal not to water at the stream, that's an
impact. And the cumulative impact of many boaters may have substantial
impacts even on species that tend to be tolerant of human activity.



--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser