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53% of Venezuelans live in poverty. If Chavez were truly concerned about
the poor and destitute, he'd have turned his sites on lowering the poverty
rate in his country...instead of making a token gesture in the backyard of
Bush's 2004 political opponent just to take a jab at Bush.

It's ironic, though, that he singled out the folks in Massachusetts (a very
"Blue" state) as those most in need of help.

We red-staters would have told him to stuff it.




"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:
Massachusetts in energy deal with Venezuela
Deal provides discounted oil to needy in state
The Associated Press
Updated: 3:25 p.m. ET Nov. 22, 2005

QUINCY, Mass. - Venezuelan officials signed a deal Tuesday to ship 12
million gallons (45 million liters) of discounted home heating oil to
poor Americans in Massachusetts as part of plan by Venezuelan leader Hugo
Chavez to help needy U.S. communities.

The fuel is being offered by Citgo Petroleum Corp., a subsidiary of
Venezuela's state-owned oil company which runs roughly 16,000 gas
stations in the U.S.

U.S. Rep. William Delahunt, who helped broker the deal, called the
agreement "an expression of humanitarianism at its very best," and
rejected criticism that the move was motivated by politics. Chavez often
blames the plight of the poor on unbridled capitalism and had criticized
U.S. President George W. Bush's government for failing to reduce poverty.

"This is a gesture about people," said Delahunt, a Democrat.

Delahunt said the agreement could set an example for U.S. oil companies.
Congressional leaders have asked the companies to use some of their
profits to fund heating fuel assistance programs for low-income
residents.

"I just hope that this sends a message, and that other oil companies will
step and help also," Delahunt said.

Reducing costs?
Chavez announced the idea of offering fuel directly to poor U.S.
communities during a visit to Cuba in August. He has said the aim is to
bypass middlemen to reduce costs for the American poor.



Good for Chavez. He's doing more than Bush, Inc., is doing.


Poisitively? I've got to stop hanging out here with the right-wing grammar
school dropouts.

--
Bush deserves a fair trial!

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
53% of Venezuelans live in poverty. If Chavez were truly concerned about
the poor and destitute, he'd have turned his sites on lowering the
poverty rate in his country...instead of making a token gesture in the
backyard of Bush's 2004 political opponent just to take a jab at Bush.

Your grapes seem exceedingly sour.

I'm not sour that 53% of Venezuelans live in poverty.


I'm sure if the Bush misAdministration had not been involved in a plot to
assassinate Chavez, he'd be less of a thorn in Presidummy's side.

If they wanted Chavez dead, he'd be dead already.

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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:42:40 +0000, NOYB wrote:


We red-staters would have told him to stuff it.

Of course you would. You red-staters have the federal trough to feed at.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_b...ates_feed.html

But then, I guess us blue-staters can afford it.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_b..._income_d.html

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"NOYB" wrote in message news:kxEhf.3400

...instead of making a token gesture in the backyard of Bush's 2004
political opponent just to take a jab at Bush.

It's ironic, though, that he singled out the folks in Massachusetts (a
very "Blue" state) as those most in need of help.

Ya gotta know the territory.........

Joe Kennedy (former MA Congressman, Bobby's son, Teddy's nephew) has been
distributing discounted heating oil in MA for years through his Citizen's
Energy Corp. Its a great company that he set up on his own initiative, and
it does real good directly among those who need the help, without he
truckloads of administrative crap that customarily go with such plans. Even
though he supposedly left public life some years ago to keep his family out
of range of the newsas*$oles and to run Citizen's Energy, Joe is perennially
touted as a likely candidate for Governor.... Senator....Congress.....
VP....take your pick.... because he is very smart, articulate, photogenic,
common sensible (insofar as a dem is able bg) and has an inarguable track
record as a successful leader in both private and public sectors. With the
Kennedy name in MA, he is, in short, the 800 lb gorilla, whether he declares
or not.

Bill Delahunt had been a reasonably well known and successful local hack/pol
for many years until he managed to get himself into Congress some years ago.
Now that he's got a Federal meal ticket, Delahunt has aspirations. He
suffers, however, from the standard malady of a lot of pols -- he's a stiff
when speaking ex temp on the stump. But the Kennedys were born with that
gene. (Its the blarney, I guess) Any Dem in MA with statewide or federal
aspirations lives in fear that Joe K may decide to climb back into the ring.
There's no doubt in my mind that this oil deal, while likely (potentially)
doing someone some good, was conceived as a way to portray Delahunt on a par
with Kennedy in at least one area, or to try to neutralize just one of the
factors that would make Joe Kennedy a friendly candidate to so many folks
here.

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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:12:16 -0500, John Gaquin wrote:


to portray Delahunt on a par with Kennedy in at least one area, or to try
to neutralize just one of the factors that would make Joe Kennedy a
friendly candidate to so many folks here.

Perhaps, but I would expect Delahunt is just an accidental beneficiary of
Chavez's "geopolitical weapon". Chavez has been using Venezuela's oil
wealth to expand his influence in the Americas, and to undercut American
"imperialism". He just loves to tweak our noses. Robertson calls for his
assassination, and he responds with "cheap oil".

http://news.tradingcharts.com/futures/7/2/72524327.html

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"thunder" wrote in message

Perhaps, but I would expect Delahunt is just an accidental beneficiary of
Chavez's "geopolitical weapon".

Perhaps. You may well be right. Even if initiated by Chavez, however, I
suspect the choice of Delahunt as his mark was not wholly accidental.

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Harry Krause wrote:

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:

53% of Venezuelans live in poverty. If Chavez were truly concerned
about the poor and destitute, he'd have turned his sites on lowering
the poverty rate in his country...instead of making a token gesture
in the backyard of Bush's 2004 political opponent just to take a jab
at Bush.

Your grapes seem exceedingly sour.


I'm not sour that 53% of Venezuelans live in poverty.


I'm sure if the Bush misAdministration had not been involved in a
plot to assassinate Chavez, he'd be less of a thorn in Presidummy's
side.


If they wanted Chavez dead, he'd be dead already.




That must be why Osama is still alive...Bush wants him alive and
uncaptured.

You place great faith in our intel and wetwork services. I don't. I
don't believe they could unzip their pants and find their dicques.





Harry, saying "I don't believe..." is a weazle term, invalidating
anything else that may follow. It is neccessary to say "I
believe..." to carry weight.

The big problem in the world is the babelization of our supposedly
common language, due simply to sloth.

To assume that some one else will understand what we cannot clearly
express is to trust that they can read your mind. No one can.

To say that intel is always suspect is to not trust the palace
taster corps, or the head taster, very wise.

This is common sense, and implies that we must take responsibility
ourselves. Did you see the CTV news clip I can't url to but I memo's as;

-------- Original Message --------
From: - Thu Nov 24 18:03:39 2005
Subject: This guy is right!


"We've been hearing for decades now, about dumbing down America. Now
were're seeing the Dumbing down of the entire globe." Lawsuit
against broadcaster: "Simpsons kill brain cells, encourage
Homosexuality, ruined my kids!"

Imagine a world without TV. Conversation, music on the radio,
letters, stretched wits in conversation,*. Now we got the Simpsons,
and Grand theft Auto, or football and SUV ads, between murder
bulletins and spam.

Ugh!

Terry K

* encouraging heterosexuality, lots of heterosexuality. -tk


-Some bud Yelse, with a beard, and turban.

What would be God's solution to overpopulation?

Talk about laying down your own life for another.

Celibacy? As far as whom is concerned, women, men?

"The Lord, seeing him spilling his seed on the ground, killed him."

One line. Who edited the bible 900 years ago? 1400 years ago? How
long ago did a father's broken heart drive him nuts? What if he was
King, in charge of the library, commanding cowering scribes?

Does the world need this arguement? There is a shortage of females
in india and china. What are surplus ideological men there to do?

Publish! It's on the archive, anyway.

Bono is on now, Martin could give more, Canadians are good enough to
know that.

Terry K

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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:59:06 -0500, John Gaquin wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message

Perhaps, but I would expect Delahunt is just an accidental beneficiary
of Chavez's "geopolitical weapon".

Perhaps. You may well be right. Even if initiated by Chavez, however, I
suspect the choice of Delahunt as his mark was not wholly accidental.

I wouldn't argue that. Someone ought to tell NewsMax, though. Delahunt
isn't even mentioned.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...2/171616.shtml

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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:06:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

--
Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.

Harry, when did you leave Texas?
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite

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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:27:47 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:06:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

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Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.

Harry, when did you leave Texas?


Ahh, another mindless post from the co-chair of the "Obsessed with Harry
Club."

A sig just for you, Harry!
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Self-obsessed Hypocrite

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"thunder" wrote in message
...

Perhaps, but I would expect Delahunt is just an accidental beneficiary of
Chavez's "geopolitical weapon". Chavez has been using Venezuela's oil
wealth to expand his influence in the Americas, and to undercut American
"imperialism". He just loves to tweak our noses. Robertson calls for his
assassination, and he responds with "cheap oil".


You betcha ... and a stupid beneficiary he proves to be. God, do I dislike
politicians.

Eisboch

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says...

"NOYB" wrote in message news:kxEhf.3400

...instead of making a token gesture in the backyard of Bush's 2004
political opponent just to take a jab at Bush.

It's ironic, though, that he singled out the folks in Massachusetts (a
very "Blue" state) as those most in need of help.

Ya gotta know the territory.........

You must be very uncomfortable living in the bluest state in the union,
especially with the high level of education.

How can you stand to stay there?

jps

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"jps" wrote in message

You must be very uncomfortable living in the bluest state in the union,
especially with the high level of education.

How can you stand to stay there?

Its home, and politics is the #1 sport. Why should I be uncomfortable with
the ed level? If I left, I'd lower the average.

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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:36:34 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message

You must be very uncomfortable living in the bluest state in the union,
especially with the high level of education.

How can you stand to stay there?

Its home, and politics is the #1 sport. Why should I be uncomfortable with
the ed level? If I left, I'd lower the average.


LOL!
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Self-obsessed Hypocrite

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says...

"jps" wrote in message

You must be very uncomfortable living in the bluest state in the union,
especially with the high level of education.

How can you stand to stay there?

Its home, and politics is the #1 sport. Why should I be uncomfortable with
the ed level? If I left, I'd lower the average.

Right...I see. The reason Massachusetts is among the highest mean IQ
states in the country is that the largely Democrat population is offset
by an infinitesimal, yet astronomically intelligent number of
Republicans.

Makes perfect sense John.

Now, if you could just figure out a weighted average for voting, like
voting shares in a corporation, you could get Republicans to repeal all
those laws and circumstances that've made Massachusetts so successful
and turn it into model Republican state. That's just what we need,
Mississippi in the Northeast.

jps

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"jps" wrote in message

Right...I see. The reason Massachusetts is among the highest mean IQ
states in the country is that the largely Democrat population is offset
by an infinitesimal, yet astronomically intelligent number of
Republicans.

Makes perfect sense John.

I didn't say that at all, but you are free to believe what you will. I
speak only for myself.



Now, if you could just figure out a weighted average for voting, like
voting shares in a corporation,

The PRC keeps trying systems like that from time to time -- weighted voting,
proportional voting, multiple votes - anything that can be manipulated to
give advantage to the academic and welfare communities at the expense of the
working middle class. None of their attempts ever work worth a damn.


those laws and circumstances that've made Massachusetts so successful

Massachusetts successful? Never for more than a few years concurrent. The
Great and General Court (the State Legislature - House: 137D-23R, Senate:
34D-6R) constantly tries to foist more and more freebie programs into the
budget. It is only because we seem to have a habit of electing Republican
governors most of the time that we can *sometimes* hold the give-aways in
check. But inevitably, after a few years of a prospering business
environment, the legislature goes crazy and blows the cash on another social
program so that when, again inevitably, the business cycle dips, they are
forced to cut, and cut they do - but never the social programs, oh no, road
maintenance, plowing, cleanup, rebate to towns, police, fire
dept....anything but the sacred cow social programs. Massachusetts
successful? Not really. Massachusetts runs like a sine wave. The only
reason some businesses operate here is the highly educated and skilled labor
supply. Others, like auto insurance underwriters, operate here because the
State forces them to by threatening to disallow other forms of coverage if
they refuse to take on auto business. etc., etc., etc........