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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan J.S. wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... 70k miles is nothing. Also, I know there are exceptions to the rule, so to speak. But, if you'll go somewhere like kelly blue book, or J.D. Powers, etc. and look at owner satisfaction numbers, repair frequency numbers, etc., you'll find that in most catagories, Japanese cars fair much better than U.S. built vehicles. Care to point me to a Japanese vechicle rated to tow a 15,000 lb fifth wheel and I'll consider it. Eisboch I say the amount of money you will spend on fuel towing a 15,000 lbs fifth wheel, you are better off sleeping in a fancy hotel. Most of the places Mrs. E will stay in at night while on the road won't allow horses in the room. Close to the truth. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... 70k miles is nothing. Also, I know there are exceptions to the rule, so to speak. But, if you'll go somewhere like kelly blue book, or J.D. Powers, etc. and look at owner satisfaction numbers, repair frequency numbers, etc., you'll find that in most catagories, Japanese cars fair much better than U.S. built vehicles. Care to point me to a Japanese vechicle rated to tow a 15,000 lb fifth wheel and I'll consider it. Eisboch That's a comment you really love. But, it's pointless because you're using a rarely purchased specialty vehicle* as an example. It may as well be a Caterpillar payloader. * Don't even comment on the statistical meaning of this. Just don't. |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Care to point me to a Japanese vechicle rated to tow a 15,000 lb fifth wheel and I'll consider it. Eisboch That's a comment you really love. But, it's pointless because you're using a rarely purchased specialty vehicle* as an example. It may as well be a Caterpillar payloader. * Don't even comment on the statistical meaning of this. Just don't. I won't, other than to point out that RV'ing has had a dramatic growth curve in the past few years and the market for products continues to be healthy. I am willing to bet that Toyota or some other Japanese company will, within a couple of years, introduce a truck that can compete with Ford's 250/350 series or GM and Dodge's 2500/3500 lines. What is dangerous is seeing people trying to tow a 30 foot travel trailer and all their gear with a Tundra. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Care to point me to a Japanese vechicle rated to tow a 15,000 lb fifth wheel and I'll consider it. Eisboch That's a comment you really love. But, it's pointless because you're using a rarely purchased specialty vehicle* as an example. It may as well be a Caterpillar payloader. * Don't even comment on the statistical meaning of this. Just don't. I won't, other than to point out that RV'ing has had a dramatic growth curve in the past few years and the market for products continues to be healthy. Oh boy. At least some state campgrounds are kind enough to segregate these monstrosities, far from the tent areas, so we don't need to listen to the damned generators that are cranked up at 7:01 AM when quiet hours end. |
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K. Smith wrote:
Sorry about that Skip, the msn is a little joke for us non windows people, but of course it's a huge joke for windows user:-) Just sent you a mail, been reading the NG but um ........ Krause has gone completely mad, we all suspected a 2nd term for Bushy tail would sent him off his trolly again, but damn Nicholson couldn't replicate his performance. Take care. K Isn't this special..... Karen of OZ and Skipper of Kansas. Which one is Dorthy and which one is the Wizard? |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Ooooooh. Mr. and Mrs. Skunk together again...just imagine the stench. We'll all have to buy a jug of Vapo-Rub to apply under our nostrils. |
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Skipper wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote: I've got 70,000+ miles on a 2001 F150 SuperCrew with the 5.4L V8 and I have had zero problems. I just get the oil changed every 5 to 10 thousand miles and I've replaced the tires once. We real Americans must carry the freight for hoards of leftist freeloaders clinging to the teats of this great society. -- Skipper ...and just how do you accomplish that with your Wal-Mart greeter job? |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
Get him here before Lake Ontario freezes over. Gonna take Skippy swimming? |
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*JimH* wrote:
Say again? The way we hear it up here...GM executives are crying about the expensive retired employee health plan. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Isn't this special..... Karen of OZ and Skipper of Kansas. Which one is Dorthy and which one is the Wizard? Skippy is Dorothy, and Ms. Smith is the Wizard: all bluster, knows nothing, and hides behind a curtain of anonymity. She did burn *your* tail feathers in those Ficht technology debates. -- Skipper |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: Get him here before Lake Ontario freezes over. Gonna take Skippy swimming? Yeah.....whattya think? Make him a big, fat treat for a pike? |
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Doug Kanter wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Care to point me to a Japanese vechicle rated to tow a 15,000 lb fifth wheel and I'll consider it. Eisboch That's a comment you really love. But, it's pointless because you're using a rarely purchased specialty vehicle* as an example. It may as well be a Caterpillar payloader. * Don't even comment on the statistical meaning of this. Just don't. I won't, other than to point out that RV'ing has had a dramatic growth curve in the past few years and the market for products continues to be healthy. Oh boy. At least some state campgrounds are kind enough to segregate these monstrosities, far from the tent areas, so we don't need to listen to the damned generators that are cranked up at 7:01 AM when quiet hours end. That used to burn my ass in some California state parks, they'd give me a tent site right in the middle of those land yachts with their generators running constantly. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Care to point me to a Japanese vechicle rated to tow a 15,000 lb fifth wheel and I'll consider it. Eisboch That's a comment you really love. But, it's pointless because you're using a rarely purchased specialty vehicle* as an example. It may as well be a Caterpillar payloader. * Don't even comment on the statistical meaning of this. Just don't. I won't, other than to point out that RV'ing has had a dramatic growth curve in the past few years and the market for products continues to be healthy. Oh boy. At least some state campgrounds are kind enough to segregate these monstrosities, far from the tent areas, so we don't need to listen to the damned generators that are cranked up at 7:01 AM when quiet hours end. That used to burn my ass in some California state parks, they'd give me a tent site right in the middle of those land yachts with their generators running constantly. The NY State parks are pretty good about segregation, when space allows it. And, most rangers will really slam RV people if they run any noise-making toys during quiet hours. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Care to point me to a Japanese vechicle rated to tow a 15,000 lb fifth wheel and I'll consider it. Eisboch That's a comment you really love. But, it's pointless because you're using a rarely purchased specialty vehicle* as an example. It may as well be a Caterpillar payloader. * Don't even comment on the statistical meaning of this. Just don't. I won't, other than to point out that RV'ing has had a dramatic growth curve in the past few years and the market for products continues to be healthy. Oh boy. At least some state campgrounds are kind enough to segregate these monstrosities, far from the tent areas, so we don't need to listen to the damned generators that are cranked up at 7:01 AM when quiet hours end. That used to burn my ass in some California state parks, they'd give me a tent site right in the middle of those land yachts with their generators running constantly. I am not much of a camper but the few times I've stopped at RV campsites I've never heard anyone's generator running. The sites all had power. In fact, the new RV has had the generator on twice. Once when we bought it and were given the indoctrination and once a month or so ago in my yard just to see if it still worked. Eisboch |
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Doug Kanter wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Care to point me to a Japanese vechicle rated to tow a 15,000 lb fifth wheel and I'll consider it. Eisboch That's a comment you really love. But, it's pointless because you're using a rarely purchased specialty vehicle* as an example. It may as well be a Caterpillar payloader. * Don't even comment on the statistical meaning of this. Just don't. I won't, other than to point out that RV'ing has had a dramatic growth curve in the past few years and the market for products continues to be healthy. Oh boy. At least some state campgrounds are kind enough to segregate these monstrosities, far from the tent areas, so we don't need to listen to the damned generators that are cranked up at 7:01 AM when quiet hours end. That used to burn my ass in some California state parks, they'd give me a tent site right in the middle of those land yachts with their generators running constantly. The NY State parks are pretty good about segregation, when space allows it. And, most rangers will really slam RV people if they run any noise-making toys during quiet hours. Army Corp sites are very good about it, too. As is Georgia state parks. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Isn't this special..... Karen of OZ and Skipper of Kansas. Which one is Dorthy and which one is the Wizard? Skippy is Dorothy, and Ms. Smith is the Wizard: all bluster, knows nothing, and hides behind a curtain of anonymity. She did burn *your* tail feathers in those Ficht technology debates. Wrong again, kittylitter breath. That's not what the archives show. Perhaps yet another reason you no longer archive your posts. -- Skipper |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: Get him here before Lake Ontario freezes over. Gonna take Skippy swimming? Yeah.....whattya think? Make him a big, fat treat for a pike? With the hot air he has bottled up, he'd probably float all the way over to the Ontario side, causing an international incident by polluting Canadian shores. |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On 21 Nov 2005 13:53:41 -0800, wrote: Skipper wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... Sir Rodney Smithers wrote: "Skipper" wrote: Wonder if Krause drives A GM product or one o' them oriental makes? Krause purchased a Toyota Tundra. I am sure he is completely responsible for those 30,000 employees losing their job. He should be ashamed of himself. Then bottom line, he and his ilk *are* responsible for those lost jobs. Hang on a minute, Scupper. I thought you right wing fags believe in personal responsibility. It sure seems that way when you're slamming the welfare system. But now, GM gets a pass because not enough customers want their cars? It's more a red state blue state thingy. Real Americans live in red states, buy GM or Ford, and support their country. Them leftists living in blue states allowed to drive make payments on foreign tinkle toys. Bottom line...the Looney Left does not support their country or traditional American values. They weaken American at every turn. -- Skipper That's because righties are lemmings, lefties are not. A right winger would buy American no matter what, because they're told to do so. A left winger would use their brains, and know that some of the foreign models are more dependable, and better equipped for less money. And then bitch about the jobs going overseas. -- John H My Tacoma was built in California. IIRC, the engine block came from Japan, but Toyota does that to protect my job. It guarantees that the vehicle will get me to work many more times than another brand. I recall reading several years ago that Toyota was planning to manufacture some of its truck engines in the USA, too, but I haven't followed that story, so I have no idea whether it took place. Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do, our manufacturers would be more competitive. If we all gave the money to the government, we wouldn't be able to buy the products at the prices they'd want anyway. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:50:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do, our manufacturers would be more competitive. You have a point. Last time I looked, health care costs were very close to 15% GDP. The rest of the industrialized world is around 10% and under. That is a major anti-competitive cost. I'll try and find the article I read about a month ago, which indicated that Ford & GM had an ancient deal with the unions which involved paying workers to sit around and do nothing. The deal continues, and I'm not kidding. I remember seeing it. Maybe it's part of their health plan. People sitting around don't get sick as often? -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:59:46 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On 21 Nov 2005 13:53:41 -0800, wrote: Skipper wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... Sir Rodney Smithers wrote: "Skipper" wrote: Wonder if Krause drives A GM product or one o' them oriental makes? Krause purchased a Toyota Tundra. I am sure he is completely responsible for those 30,000 employees losing their job. He should be ashamed of himself. Then bottom line, he and his ilk *are* responsible for those lost jobs. Hang on a minute, Scupper. I thought you right wing fags believe in personal responsibility. It sure seems that way when you're slamming the welfare system. But now, GM gets a pass because not enough customers want their cars? It's more a red state blue state thingy. Real Americans live in red states, buy GM or Ford, and support their country. Them leftists living in blue states allowed to drive make payments on foreign tinkle toys. Bottom line...the Looney Left does not support their country or traditional American values. They weaken American at every turn. -- Skipper That's because righties are lemmings, lefties are not. A right winger would buy American no matter what, because they're told to do so. A left winger would use their brains, and know that some of the foreign models are more dependable, and better equipped for less money. And then bitch about the jobs going overseas. -- John H My Tacoma was built in California. IIRC, the engine block came from Japan, but Toyota does that to protect my job. It guarantees that the vehicle will get me to work many more times than another brand. I recall reading several years ago that Toyota was planning to manufacture some of its truck engines in the USA, too, but I haven't followed that story, so I have no idea whether it took place. Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do, our manufacturers would be more competitive. A friend works for a maker of CDC machining equipment. He and his team are responsible for programming the things after they're delivered and installed. He tells me that Toyota and the American makers use many of the same machines, but the Americans request looser tolerances, particularly for engine blocks. They take this a step further by rejecting fewer marginal parts. His company has Japanese engineerng students on board for internships. When they see how the Americans fail to take advantage of equipment that's capable of producing far more accuracy, they scratch their heads and wonder..... I don't wonder. Too many US manufacturing corporations are infested with MBAs and others who are obsessed with the short-term bottom line. Now MBA's are bad guys? What about Ann Richards? Are only Republicans earning MBA's these days? You are a card, Harry! -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On 21 Nov 2005 13:53:41 -0800, wrote: Skipper wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... Sir Rodney Smithers wrote: "Skipper" wrote: Wonder if Krause drives A GM product or one o' them oriental makes? Krause purchased a Toyota Tundra. I am sure he is completely responsible for those 30,000 employees losing their job. He should be ashamed of himself. Then bottom line, he and his ilk *are* responsible for those lost jobs. Hang on a minute, Scupper. I thought you right wing fags believe in personal responsibility. It sure seems that way when you're slamming the welfare system. But now, GM gets a pass because not enough customers want their cars? It's more a red state blue state thingy. Real Americans live in red states, buy GM or Ford, and support their country. Them leftists living in blue states allowed to drive make payments on foreign tinkle toys. Bottom line...the Looney Left does not support their country or traditional American values. They weaken American at every turn. -- Skipper That's because righties are lemmings, lefties are not. A right winger would buy American no matter what, because they're told to do so. A left winger would use their brains, and know that some of the foreign models are more dependable, and better equipped for less money. And then bitch about the jobs going overseas. -- John H My Tacoma was built in California. IIRC, the engine block came from Japan, but Toyota does that to protect my job. It guarantees that the vehicle will get me to work many more times than another brand. I recall reading several years ago that Toyota was planning to manufacture some of its truck engines in the USA, too, but I haven't followed that story, so I have no idea whether it took place. Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do, our manufacturers would be more competitive. If we all gave the money to the government, we wouldn't be able to buy the products at the prices they'd want anyway. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite I heard this on 700 WLW this morning. The figures are pretty close to what I recall as being reported: Average number of hours to produce a car: Toyota 21 hours Ford 26 hours Chrysler 34 hours GM 38 hours Add to that the health care coverage and pension giveaways and one wonders why GM is struggling? |
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" *JimH*" wrote in message ... "John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On 21 Nov 2005 13:53:41 -0800, wrote: Skipper wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... Sir Rodney Smithers wrote: "Skipper" wrote: Wonder if Krause drives A GM product or one o' them oriental makes? Krause purchased a Toyota Tundra. I am sure he is completely responsible for those 30,000 employees losing their job. He should be ashamed of himself. Then bottom line, he and his ilk *are* responsible for those lost jobs. Hang on a minute, Scupper. I thought you right wing fags believe in personal responsibility. It sure seems that way when you're slamming the welfare system. But now, GM gets a pass because not enough customers want their cars? It's more a red state blue state thingy. Real Americans live in red states, buy GM or Ford, and support their country. Them leftists living in blue states allowed to drive make payments on foreign tinkle toys. Bottom line...the Looney Left does not support their country or traditional American values. They weaken American at every turn. -- Skipper That's because righties are lemmings, lefties are not. A right winger would buy American no matter what, because they're told to do so. A left winger would use their brains, and know that some of the foreign models are more dependable, and better equipped for less money. And then bitch about the jobs going overseas. -- John H My Tacoma was built in California. IIRC, the engine block came from Japan, but Toyota does that to protect my job. It guarantees that the vehicle will get me to work many more times than another brand. I recall reading several years ago that Toyota was planning to manufacture some of its truck engines in the USA, too, but I haven't followed that story, so I have no idea whether it took place. Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do, our manufacturers would be more competitive. If we all gave the money to the government, we wouldn't be able to buy the products at the prices they'd want anyway. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite I heard this on 700 WLW this morning. The figures are what I recall as being reported but may be off by a couple of hours: Average number of hours to produce a car: Toyota 21 hours Ford 26 hours Chrysler 34 hours GM 38 hours Add to that the health care coverage and pension giveaways and one wonders why GM is struggling? edit |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do, our manufacturers would be more competitive. You have a point. Last time I looked, health care costs were very close to 15% GDP. The rest of the industrialized world is around 10% and under. That is a major anti-competitive cost. I'll take the US's health care system over any other health system in the world. I can get the services I want when I want them rather than having them be rationed to me. |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "Bryan" wrote in message . net... "Skipper" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: Hang on a minute, Scupper. I thought you right wing fags believe in personal responsibility. It sure seems that way when you're slamming the welfare system. But now, GM gets a pass because not enough customers want their cars? It's more a red state blue state thingy. Real Americans live in red states, buy GM or Ford, and support their country. Them leftists living in blue states allowed to drive make payments on foreign tinkle toys. Bottom line...the Looney Left does not support their country or traditional American values. They weaken American at every turn. -- Skipper I guess I'm just confused: I own a Ford Truck made in UhMurkuh and a Toyota made god knows where and a Sea Ray again made in UhMurkuh. In 200,000 miles I've had fewer problems with the Toyota than I've had with my truck in 50,000 miles. I wouldn't trade my truck for anything, except another truck, but damn I wish my Ford had fewer problems. I buy American when I can, but not to the extent of buying a lesser product just to prove I'm red white and blue through and through. My heart goes out to anyone that loses a job. And there's no politics in that. I've got 70,000+ miles on a 2001 F150 SuperCrew with the 5.4L V8 and I have had zero problems. I just get the oil changed every 5 to 10 thousand miles and I've replaced the tires once. Other than oil & tires.....oh never mind. You must have missed the part where I said "I have had zero problems." Oh yeah, I replace the wiper blades every winter. |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:28:56 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message .. . On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On 21 Nov 2005 13:53:41 -0800, wrote: Skipper wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... Sir Rodney Smithers wrote: "Skipper" wrote: Wonder if Krause drives A GM product or one o' them oriental makes? Krause purchased a Toyota Tundra. I am sure he is completely responsible for those 30,000 employees losing their job. He should be ashamed of himself. Then bottom line, he and his ilk *are* responsible for those lost jobs. Hang on a minute, Scupper. I thought you right wing fags believe in personal responsibility. It sure seems that way when you're slamming the welfare system. But now, GM gets a pass because not enough customers want their cars? It's more a red state blue state thingy. Real Americans live in red states, buy GM or Ford, and support their country. Them leftists living in blue states allowed to drive make payments on foreign tinkle toys. Bottom line...the Looney Left does not support their country or traditional American values. They weaken American at every turn. -- Skipper That's because righties are lemmings, lefties are not. A right winger would buy American no matter what, because they're told to do so. A left winger would use their brains, and know that some of the foreign models are more dependable, and better equipped for less money. And then bitch about the jobs going overseas. -- John H My Tacoma was built in California. IIRC, the engine block came from Japan, but Toyota does that to protect my job. It guarantees that the vehicle will get me to work many more times than another brand. I recall reading several years ago that Toyota was planning to manufacture some of its truck engines in the USA, too, but I haven't followed that story, so I have no idea whether it took place. Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do, our manufacturers would be more competitive. If we all gave the money to the government, we wouldn't be able to buy the products at the prices they'd want anyway. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite I heard this on 700 WLW this morning. The figures are pretty close to what I recall as being reported: Average number of hours to produce a car: Toyota 21 hours Ford 26 hours Chrysler 34 hours GM 38 hours Add to that the health care coverage and pension giveaways and one wonders why GM is struggling? And how badly do the unions fight against robotics? -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:28:56 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On 21 Nov 2005 13:53:41 -0800, wrote: Skipper wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... Sir Rodney Smithers wrote: "Skipper" wrote: Wonder if Krause drives A GM product or one o' them oriental makes? Krause purchased a Toyota Tundra. I am sure he is completely responsible for those 30,000 employees losing their job. He should be ashamed of himself. Then bottom line, he and his ilk *are* responsible for those lost jobs. Hang on a minute, Scupper. I thought you right wing fags believe in personal responsibility. It sure seems that way when you're slamming the welfare system. But now, GM gets a pass because not enough customers want their cars? It's more a red state blue state thingy. Real Americans live in red states, buy GM or Ford, and support their country. Them leftists living in blue states allowed to drive make payments on foreign tinkle toys. Bottom line...the Looney Left does not support their country or traditional American values. They weaken American at every turn. -- Skipper That's because righties are lemmings, lefties are not. A right winger would buy American no matter what, because they're told to do so. A left winger would use their brains, and know that some of the foreign models are more dependable, and better equipped for less money. And then bitch about the jobs going overseas. -- John H My Tacoma was built in California. IIRC, the engine block came from Japan, but Toyota does that to protect my job. It guarantees that the vehicle will get me to work many more times than another brand. I recall reading several years ago that Toyota was planning to manufacture some of its truck engines in the USA, too, but I haven't followed that story, so I have no idea whether it took place. Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do, our manufacturers would be more competitive. If we all gave the money to the government, we wouldn't be able to buy the products at the prices they'd want anyway. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite I heard this on 700 WLW this morning. The figures are what I recall as being reported but may be off by a couple of hours: Average number of hours to produce a car: Toyota 21 hours Ford 26 hours Chrysler 34 hours GM 38 hours Add to that the health care coverage and pension giveaways and one wonders why GM is struggling? And how badly do the unions fight against robotics? -- John H http://tinyurl.com/be4qe Go figure. |
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" *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:28:56 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On 21 Nov 2005 13:53:41 -0800, wrote: Skipper wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... Sir Rodney Smithers wrote: "Skipper" wrote: Wonder if Krause drives A GM product or one o' them oriental makes? Krause purchased a Toyota Tundra. I am sure he is completely responsible for those 30,000 employees losing their job. He should be ashamed of himself. Then bottom line, he and his ilk *are* responsible for those lost jobs. Hang on a minute, Scupper. I thought you right wing fags believe in personal responsibility. It sure seems that way when you're slamming the welfare system. But now, GM gets a pass because not enough customers want their cars? It's more a red state blue state thingy. Real Americans live in red states, buy GM or Ford, and support their country. Them leftists living in blue states allowed to drive make payments on foreign tinkle toys. Bottom line...the Looney Left does not support their country or traditional American values. They weaken American at every turn. -- Skipper That's because righties are lemmings, lefties are not. A right winger would buy American no matter what, because they're told to do so. A left winger would use their brains, and know that some of the foreign models are more dependable, and better equipped for less money. And then bitch about the jobs going overseas. -- John H My Tacoma was built in California. IIRC, the engine block came from Japan, but Toyota does that to protect my job. It guarantees that the vehicle will get me to work many more times than another brand. I recall reading several years ago that Toyota was planning to manufacture some of its truck engines in the USA, too, but I haven't followed that story, so I have no idea whether it took place. Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do, our manufacturers would be more competitive. If we all gave the money to the government, we wouldn't be able to buy the products at the prices they'd want anyway. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite I heard this on 700 WLW this morning. The figures are what I recall as being reported but may be off by a couple of hours: Average number of hours to produce a car: Toyota 21 hours Ford 26 hours Chrysler 34 hours GM 38 hours Add to that the health care coverage and pension giveaways and one wonders why GM is struggling? And how badly do the unions fight against robotics? -- John H http://www.jdpa.com/news/releases/pr...asp?ID=2005088 http://www.toyota-europe.com/about/n...dNews_2005.asp http://search.japantimes.co.jp/print...20050520a3.htm Go figure. Edit links |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:31:38 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message .. . On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:28:56 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On 21 Nov 2005 13:53:41 -0800, wrote: Skipper wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... Sir Rodney Smithers wrote: "Skipper" wrote: Wonder if Krause drives A GM product or one o' them oriental makes? Krause purchased a Toyota Tundra. I am sure he is completely responsible for those 30,000 employees losing their job. He should be ashamed of himself. Then bottom line, he and his ilk *are* responsible for those lost jobs. Hang on a minute, Scupper. I thought you right wing fags believe in personal responsibility. It sure seems that way when you're slamming the welfare system. But now, GM gets a pass because not enough customers want their cars? It's more a red state blue state thingy. Real Americans live in red states, buy GM or Ford, and support their country. Them leftists living in blue states allowed to drive make payments on foreign tinkle toys. Bottom line...the Looney Left does not support their country or traditional American values. They weaken American at every turn. -- Skipper That's because righties are lemmings, lefties are not. A right winger would buy American no matter what, because they're told to do so. A left winger would use their brains, and know that some of the foreign models are more dependable, and better equipped for less money. And then bitch about the jobs going overseas. -- John H My Tacoma was built in California. IIRC, the engine block came from Japan, but Toyota does that to protect my job. It guarantees that the vehicle will get me to work many more times than another brand. I recall reading several years ago that Toyota was planning to manufacture some of its truck engines in the USA, too, but I haven't followed that story, so I have no idea whether it took place. Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do, our manufacturers would be more competitive. If we all gave the money to the government, we wouldn't be able to buy the products at the prices they'd want anyway. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite I heard this on 700 WLW this morning. The figures are what I recall as being reported but may be off by a couple of hours: Average number of hours to produce a car: Toyota 21 hours Ford 26 hours Chrysler 34 hours GM 38 hours Add to that the health care coverage and pension giveaways and one wonders why GM is struggling? And how badly do the unions fight against robotics? -- John H http://tinyurl.com/be4qe Go figure. Because of its anti-Christmas stance, Wal-Mart gets none of my business this year. Last year I canceled my Macy's card, with a letter explaining that I didn't like their Christmas stance (not using the word). This year Macy's is using "Merry Christmas" every chance it gets. I guess they got the word. We'll see if Wal-Mart amends its policy. I sent them a letter informing them of my stance. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:42:53 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:
John H http://www.jdpa.com/news/releases/pr...asp?ID=2005088 http://www.toyota-europe.com/about/n...dNews_2005.asp http://search.japantimes.co.jp/print...20050520a3.htm Go figure. Edit links I'm surprised at how few problems Jaguar had reported. After owning an MGB-GT, I thought British cars were little more than maintenance hobbies. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:01:17 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:42:53 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote: John H http://www.jdpa.com/news/releases/pr...asp?ID=2005088 http://www.toyota-europe.com/about/n...dNews_2005.asp http://search.japantimes.co.jp/print...20050520a3.htm Go figure. Edit links I'm surprised at how few problems Jaguar had reported. After owning an MGB-GT, I thought British cars were little more than maintenance hobbies. PS. I wonder where Harry, jps, and bb went after their comeuppance the bull**** posts about the Ruben Cantu execution? -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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Skipper wrote:
"K. Smith" wrote: Karen, Need your good email ady. Please send an email. Sorry about that Skip, the msn is a little joke for us non windows people, but of course it's a huge joke for windows user:-) Just sent you a mail, been reading the NG but um ........ Krause has gone completely mad, we all suspected a 2nd term for Bushy tail would sent him off his trolly again... Have you noticed his diminished capacity and total lack of civility? Sad, really. But on the bright side it shouldn't be long now for this to become a great NG again...once his stench goes away. -- Skipper He's going away?? woohoo knew it would happen, when, why & will he ver get parole??? K |
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"K. Smith" wrote:
Have you noticed his diminished capacity and total lack of civility? Sad, really. But on the bright side it shouldn't be long now for this to become a great NG again...once his stench goes away. He's going away?? woohoo knew it would happen, when, why & will he ver get parole??? He's just a shell of himself these days. His wit is gone, the wits fried. Entering a boating discussion with him these days is like bayoneting the wounded. -- Skipper |
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Skipper wrote:
"K. Smith" wrote: Have you noticed his diminished capacity and total lack of civility? Sad, really. But on the bright side it shouldn't be long now for this to become a great NG again...once his stench goes away. He's going away?? woohoo knew it would happen, when, why & will he ver get parole??? He's just a shell of himself these days. His wit is gone, the wits fried. Entering a boating discussion with him these days is like bayoneting the wounded. -- Skipper He's also been comprehensively shown as a non boating liar on so many occasions it even embarrasses his lefty lackies. K |
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John H. wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:42:53 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote: John H http://www.jdpa.com/news/releases/pr...asp?ID=2005088 http://www.toyota-europe.com/about/n...dNews_2005.asp http://search.japantimes.co.jp/print...20050520a3.htm Go figure. Edit links I'm surprised at how few problems Jaguar had reported. After owning an MGB-GT, I thought British cars were little more than maintenance hobbies. Jaguar is owned by FORD. |
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John H. wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:42:53 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote: John H http://www.jdpa.com/news/releases/pr...asp?ID=2005088 http://www.toyota-europe.com/about/n...dNews_2005.asp http://search.japantimes.co.jp/print...20050520a3.htm Go figure. Edit links I'm surprised at how few problems Jaguar had reported. After owning an MGB-GT, I thought British cars were little more than maintenance hobbies. -- The good thing about British made cars, is that because they do tend to be "maintenance hobbies", they are made to work on. The clapped out '66 Triumph TR4A I had in Florida that I never got around to completing, was always in need of some kind of wrenching, but even things like the voltage regulator was made to work on, you could adjust the points in the regulator to determine charge/non-charge rates. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote: Skipper wrote: "K. Smith" wrote: Have you noticed his diminished capacity and total lack of civility? Sad, really. But on the bright side it shouldn't be long now for this to become a great NG again...once his stench goes away. He's going away?? woohoo knew it would happen, when, why & will he ver get parole??? He's just a shell of himself these days. His wit is gone, the wits fried. Entering a boating discussion with him these days is like bayoneting the wounded. -- Skipper He's also been comprehensively shown as a non boating liar on so many occasions it even embarrasses his lefty lackies. K You two should get a room, except both of you are so old and feeble, you'd only be able to watch, and since neither of you have any money, the motel you picked wouldn't have cable, and you still would not be able to see those Roadrunner cartoons. But you do make a perfect couple...of dumbasses. They could always get a trailer toghther...somewhere in the Outback of Australia ...preferably without internet access. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: Get him here before Lake Ontario freezes over. Gonna take Skippy swimming? Yeah.....whattya think? Make him a big, fat treat for a pike? With the hot air he has bottled up, he'd probably float all the way over to the Ontario side, causing an international incident by polluting Canadian shores. Don't you fellas have regulations against the dumping of out-of-state toxic waste in your waters? The guys I know specialize in foundation work, if you get my drift. Right. With the Hoffa-Matic device. |
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do, our manufacturers would be more competitive. You have a point. Last time I looked, health care costs were very close to 15% GDP. The rest of the industrialized world is around 10% and under. That is a major anti-competitive cost. I'll take the US's health care system over any other health system in the world. I can get the services I want when I want them rather than having them be rationed to me. It some countries, they're rationed, but not in other countries. Can you provide examples of both categories, using the names of the countries? |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:28:56 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:23:57 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On 21 Nov 2005 13:53:41 -0800, wrote: Skipper wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... Sir Rodney Smithers wrote: "Skipper" wrote: Wonder if Krause drives A GM product or one o' them oriental makes? Krause purchased a Toyota Tundra. I am sure he is completely responsible for those 30,000 employees losing their job. He should be ashamed of himself. Then bottom line, he and his ilk *are* responsible for those lost jobs. Hang on a minute, Scupper. I thought you right wing fags believe in personal responsibility. It sure seems that way when you're slamming the welfare system. But now, GM gets a pass because not enough customers want their cars? It's more a red state blue state thingy. Real Americans live in red states, buy GM or Ford, and support their country. Them leftists living in blue states allowed to drive make payments on foreign tinkle toys. Bottom line...the Looney Left does not support their country or traditional American values. They weaken American at every turn. -- Skipper That's because righties are lemmings, lefties are not. A right winger would buy American no matter what, because they're told to do so. A left winger would use their brains, and know that some of the foreign models are more dependable, and better equipped for less money. And then bitch about the jobs going overseas. -- John H My Tacoma was built in California. IIRC, the engine block came from Japan, but Toyota does that to protect my job. It guarantees that the vehicle will get me to work many more times than another brand. I recall reading several years ago that Toyota was planning to manufacture some of its truck engines in the USA, too, but I haven't followed that story, so I have no idea whether it took place. Some of us realize that if the US had a decent program of national health insurance and pension programs, as most other modern nations do, our manufacturers would be more competitive. If we all gave the money to the government, we wouldn't be able to buy the products at the prices they'd want anyway. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite I heard this on 700 WLW this morning. The figures are pretty close to what I recall as being reported: Average number of hours to produce a car: Toyota 21 hours Ford 26 hours Chrysler 34 hours GM 38 hours Add to that the health care coverage and pension giveaways and one wonders why GM is struggling? And how badly do the unions fight against robotics? -- John H NPR interview with a union official from (IIRC) Kentucky: He said one of their biggest problems is a severe shortage of workers with basic reading and math skills. Toss that around in your head and if you believe (as I do) that parents are at least 50% of a kids educational success, you might start wondering about whether kibbutzes could be a good idea. Maybe some kids would be exposed to parents to give a damn, instead of the ones they've got now. |
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