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Yo!! Thunder...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:43:43 -0500, Bert Robbins wrote:
You have no proof that that yellowcake was or was not exported from Niger to Iraq. It bas been accepted in some circles that no yellowcake went from Niger to Iraq. LOL, don't you have that backwards? The claim was used as partial justification for an invasion. It would seem to me, the burden of proof is on the claimant. To date, there is no evidence that the Niger claims were anything but BS. There is no line of BS. Iraq was still under the terms and conditions of a surrender from the first gulf war. Iraq's failure to abide by the terms and conditions there was enough reason to resume hostilities. Iraq was engaged in acquiring nuclear weapons against the UN's own resolutions not to. Cite, please? One that is verifiable is preferable, but hell, I'll even accept a NewsMax article that states Iraq was engaged in acquiring nuclear weapons. Try to keep at least a little current. The nuclear weapons claim has been off the table for some time now. Put Wilson under oath and let him answer the questions. This one simple activity will bring clarity to this whole mess. My guess is that if there was *any* reason to believe Wilson outed his wife, Fitzgerald would have done that very thing. |
Yo!! Thunder...
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:08:39 -0500, Bert Robbins wrote: Niger's chief product is yellow cake urainium do you think that they are going to come out and say that they are in contact with Iraq about selling their chief product. Guy, it has been well established that there was no Niger yellowcake going to Iraq, none, zip, nada. The British MI6 intel showed that Iraq was actively *seeking* to obtain yellowcake uranium from Iraq. Rather than clinging to the hope that it could have happened, you really should be wondering how this bogus claim was ever raised to the surface. If you are going to disregard 250 years of precedent, and have a preemptive invasion, you should, at a minimum, have a better line of BS. The war was fought to enforce two UN security resolutions that Saddam had violated. That is not the first time such a war was fought. If Wilson blabbed to anyone who would listen, where are they? So far, we have the Vallely claim, but no others. It is not publicly known if Wilson told any reporters. It is publicly known that administration officials did. Do you really believe that Wilson never told Kristof and Pincus that his wife worked for CIA while he was telling the Niger tale to them in April/May 2003? The reporters are looking for a juciy storry, the longer it plays out the better for them. I have a feeling that it's not going to be "better" for some of them. Come on, I'll ask again, if Wilson blabbed to anyone who would listen, where are they? You can right off all of the worthless "liebral" media, but you would think NewsMax or Rush could at least give us a few names. Don't you think? Until Kristof and Pincus are compelled to reveal their sources and notes for their May 6th and May 24th stories, and specifically what was revealed to them at that time, you won't have a smoking gun. Unless the room was bugged when Wilson told Pincus, how would anybody else besides the two of them know? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. |
Yo!! Thunder...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:46:06 +0000, NOYB wrote:
The British MI6 intel showed that Iraq was actively *seeking* to obtain yellowcake uranium from Iraq. So the President said. Actually, he said the British government, but no matter, it's still BS. BS about BS, is still BS. Read the Butler Report. Read the Downing Street memos. Iraq was not actively or inactively seeking yellowcake from Niger. To state otherwise, is BS. The war was fought to enforce two UN security resolutions that Saddam had violated. That is not the first time such a war was fought. More BS. The UN did not authorize the invasion. To state otherwise is disingenuous. Do you really believe that Wilson never told Kristof and Pincus that his wife worked for CIA while he was telling the Niger tale to them in April/May 2003? I am very doubtful that he did, and without evidence to the contrary, assume he didn't. You, on the other hand, without any supporting evidence, seem sure that he did. So sure, in fact, that you have suggested Kristof and Pincus face conspiracy and perjury charges. I merely asked, if Wilson talked to anyone who would listen, where are they? Come on, I'll ask again, if Wilson blabbed to anyone who would listen, where are they? You can right off all of the worthless "liebral" media, but you would think NewsMax or Rush could at least give us a few names. Don't you think? Until Kristof and Pincus are compelled to reveal their sources and notes for their May 6th and May 24th stories, and specifically what was revealed to them at that time, you won't have a smoking gun. Unless the room was bugged when Wilson told Pincus, how would anybody else besides the two of them know? Come on, NOYB, "all the reporters knew". Plame's identity was well known. Wilson talked to anyone who would listen. Wilson outed his wife. To who? Where are they? Where are all these people who knew her employment status? Besides Vallely, who else has come forward? Who else knew her CIA affiliation *before* June of 2003? Come on, it's an open secret. Surely someone on the right has enough connections to at least give us a few names? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts. I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest Grady dealer in the Bay area. Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2. I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales. In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm And another: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price. The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers, radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from Maryland. I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat. Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation across all cylinders All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to fix or replace it. I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this morning. ;-) |
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"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts. I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest Grady dealer in the Bay area. Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2. I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales. In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm And another: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price. The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers, radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from Maryland. I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat. Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation across all cylinders All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to fix or replace it. I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this morning. ;-) It should be like Christmas morning for you without the heartburn. Congratulations on the purchase of the new boat. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts. I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest Grady dealer in the Bay area. Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2. I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales. In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm And another: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price. The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers, radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from Maryland. I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat. Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation across all cylinders All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to fix or replace it. I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this morning. ;-) Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla? I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage. Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's for sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already expressed to her that they might be interested in it. With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new boat, she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission. |
Yo!! Happy Tooth
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:28:58 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. =============================== Best of luck. It's always exciting bringing a new boat home. |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts. I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest Grady dealer in the Bay area. Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2. I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales. In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm And another: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price. The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers, radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from Maryland. I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat. Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation across all cylinders All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to fix or replace it. I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this morning. ;-) Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla? I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage. Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's for sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already expressed to her that they might be interested in it. With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new boat, she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission. I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the success in the world with it! Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a family boat. The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for fishing. Have a good one. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts. I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest Grady dealer in the Bay area. Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2. I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales. In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm And another: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price. The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers, radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from Maryland. I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat. Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation across all cylinders All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to fix or replace it. I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this morning. ;-) Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla? I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage. Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's for sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already expressed to her that they might be interested in it. With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new boat, she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission. I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the success in the world with it! Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a family boat. The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for fishing. Have a good one. Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or three small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a freshwater sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush. How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the beach while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks? -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts. I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest Grady dealer in the Bay area. Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2. I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales. In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm And another: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price. The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers, radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from Maryland. I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat. Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation across all cylinders All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to fix or replace it. I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this morning. ;-) Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla? I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage. Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's for sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already expressed to her that they might be interested in it. With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new boat, she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission. I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the success in the world with it! Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a family boat. The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for fishing. Have a good one. Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or three small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a freshwater sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush. How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the beach while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks? What actually started this was an invite from a friend to camp on Keywadin Island. He has a 31' Intrepid, but planned on sleeping in a tent on the beach. I suggested it to my wife, and she looked at me like I had three heads. Her response was that if I had a boat we could all sleep on (instead of in a tent), she would go. And you know the rest... |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts. I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest Grady dealer in the Bay area. Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2. I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales. In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm And another: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price. The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers, radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from Maryland. I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat. Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation across all cylinders All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to fix or replace it. I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this morning. ;-) Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla? I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage. Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's for sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already expressed to her that they might be interested in it. With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new boat, she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission. I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the success in the world with it! Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a family boat. The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for fishing. Have a good one. Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or three small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a freshwater sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush. How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the beach while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks? -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite When our kids were younger we found times when they would nap in the vee bunk or aft cabin while my wife and I cruised or relaxed on the boat. For 2 adults I would think that the vee bunk set up in a 25 foot fishing boat would be clumsy and uncomfortable for an overnight stay. It certainly would not accommodate a family with children for overnight stays on the boat. IMO you cannot have the best of both worlds with a 25~27 foot boat..........it is either good for fishing or cruising/overnighting. It is only until you get into bigger boats, such as the Grady w/aft cabin NOYB is purchasing, that you can come close to meeting both needs. |
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" *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts. I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest Grady dealer in the Bay area. Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2. I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales. In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm And another: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price. The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers, radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from Maryland. I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat. Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation across all cylinders All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to fix or replace it. I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this morning. ;-) Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla? I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage. Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's for sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already expressed to her that they might be interested in it. With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new boat, she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission. I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the success in the world with it! Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a family boat. The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for fishing. Have a good one. Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or three small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a freshwater sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush. How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the beach while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks? -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite When our kids were younger we found times when they would nap in the vee bunk or aft cabin while my wife and I cruised or relaxed on the boat. For 2 adults I would think that the vee bunk set up in a 25 foot fishing boat would be clumsy and uncomfortable for an overnight stay. It certainly would not accommodate a family with children for overnight stays on the boat. IMO you cannot have the best of both worlds with a 25~27 foot boat..........it is either good for fishing or cruising/overnighting. It is only until you get into bigger boats, such as the Grady w/aft cabin NOYB is purchasing, that you can come close to meeting both needs. I've been searching long and hard for a Grady 33 Express that would fit my budget. I had given up, figuring I'd wait another couple of years before getting the 33. But when I went to the Ft. Myers boat show, and took a look at the Marlin 30, I realized that it would certainly fit my needs almost as well as the 33. For a week or so, I was actually considering a Sea Ray Amberjack 290...but after some thought, I realized that it was geared too much towards cruising, and too little towards fishing. This is the one area in which Harry and I agree on. The Sea Ray is a "bubble boat"...and looks too much like every other boat out on the water. |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:01:49 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
John H. wrote: On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts. I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest Grady dealer in the Bay area. Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2. I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales. In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm And another: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price. The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers, radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from Maryland. I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat. Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation across all cylinders All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to fix or replace it. I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this morning. ;-) Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla? I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage. Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's for sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already expressed to her that they might be interested in it. With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new boat, she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission. I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the success in the world with it! Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a family boat. The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for fishing. Have a good one. Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or three small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a freshwater sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush. How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the beach while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks? I wouldn't let "pre-teens" take out any boat the size of my Parker or NOYB's present Whaler. Glad to hear it. That's why NOYB is going for a boat which will comfortable handle two adults *and* three kids. I'd take a Parker in a minute, but not as a *family* boat. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts. I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest Grady dealer in the Bay area. Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2. I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales. In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm And another: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price. The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers, radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from Maryland. I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat. Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation across all cylinders All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to fix or replace it. I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this morning. ;-) Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla? I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage. Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's for sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already expressed to her that they might be interested in it. With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new boat, she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission. I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the success in the world with it! Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a family boat. The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for fishing. Have a good one. Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or three small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a freshwater sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush. How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the beach while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks? -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite When our kids were younger we found times when they would nap in the vee bunk or aft cabin while my wife and I cruised or relaxed on the boat. For 2 adults I would think that the vee bunk set up in a 25 foot fishing boat would be clumsy and uncomfortable for an overnight stay. It certainly would not accommodate a family with children for overnight stays on the boat. IMO you cannot have the best of both worlds with a 25~27 foot boat..........it is either good for fishing or cruising/overnighting. It is only until you get into bigger boats, such as the Grady w/aft cabin NOYB is purchasing, that you can come close to meeting both needs. I've been searching long and hard for a Grady 33 Express that would fit my budget. I had given up, figuring I'd wait another couple of years before getting the 33. But when I went to the Ft. Myers boat show, and took a look at the Marlin 30, I realized that it would certainly fit my needs almost as well as the 33. For a week or so, I was actually considering a Sea Ray Amberjack 290...but after some thought, I realized that it was geared too much towards cruising, and too little towards fishing. This is the one area in which Harry and I agree on. The Sea Ray is a "bubble boat"...and looks too much like every other boat out on the water. Bubble boats are not fishing boats. True fishing boats are generally not well suited for cruising or comfortable overnight stays. Tiara, although expensive, offers a nice compromise. With that said, I think you are buying a very nice boat. It certainly looks like you have done your homework. |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:01:49 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts. I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest Grady dealer in the Bay area. Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2. I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales. In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm And another: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price. The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers, radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from Maryland. I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat. Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation across all cylinders All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to fix or replace it. I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this morning. ;-) Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla? I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage. Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's for sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already expressed to her that they might be interested in it. With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new boat, she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission. I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the success in the world with it! Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a family boat. The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for fishing. Have a good one. Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or three small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a freshwater sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush. How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the beach while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks? I wouldn't let "pre-teens" take out any boat the size of my Parker or NOYB's present Whaler. Glad to hear it. That's why NOYB is going for a boat which will comfortable handle two adults *and* three kids. I'd take a Parker in a minute, but not as a *family* boat. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite Why not make Harry an offer for it? He said it was "unofficially" up for sale and it sounds like it was very well maintained. Life it too short. Enjoy it. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... The 33' and 36' Gradys are two of my favorite boats. Thanks to my dealer, I've had the opportunity to drive both during "demo" days. The 33' especially demonstrated to me that a pair of outboards can offer more than a pair of diesels. Did the 33' have twin 250's or 225's? The 225's were supposed to push it to 41 or 42 mph...but I always had a hard time believing those numbers (especially since the Yamaha 225's put out 217 hp at the prop). Oddly enough, Yamaha used to have a performance bulletin on its site for the Grady 33 powered by twin 225 Yamaha four-strokes. I am certain that I read that the boat would reach 42 mph. But when I now look for the bulletin now, it is no longer there. (?!?!?) They only have performance bulletins for the 33 with twin 225's or twin 300 hpdi's (which have a tendency to blow up, or foul plugs). The "real world" numbers that I've been reading on boating forums are closer to the high 30's for the 225's. Most people feel that the boat was underpowered with the 225's. It seems as if the current choice of twin 250's is just right for that boat. I didn't even bother to look at the 36' Grady. Why tempt myself with something that's so far out of reach? I also don't like the fact that my 100 hour service would cost at least 3/4 of a grand. |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:55:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: The 33' especially demonstrated to me that a pair of outboards can offer more than a pair of diesels. ========================== The advantage of the diesels is not speed, it is range, fuel economy and longevity. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:55:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: The 33' especially demonstrated to me that a pair of outboards can offer more than a pair of diesels. ========================== The advantage of the diesels is not speed, it is range, fuel economy and longevity. There's a pretty good article in one the major magazines (or perhaps it was Powerboat Reports?) that compared the diesel Glacier bay against a Suzuki-powered Glacier Bay. They made the point that they're not convinced that the diesels will have a distinct longevity advantage over the outboards. I'm pretty sure that overall, they preferred the outboards in the shootout...but I'll have to go back in the archives and check. The reasons I prefer outboards (in order of importance): Shallow draft Speed Simplicity to replace (although it can be more costly than diesels) |
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"NOYB" wrote in message k.net... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:55:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: The 33' especially demonstrated to me that a pair of outboards can offer more than a pair of diesels. ========================== The advantage of the diesels is not speed, it is range, fuel economy and longevity. There's a pretty good article in one the major magazines (or perhaps it was Powerboat Reports?) that compared the diesel Glacier bay against a Suzuki-powered Glacier Bay. They made the point that they're not convinced that the diesels will have a distinct longevity advantage over the outboards. I'm pretty sure that overall, they preferred the outboards in the shootout...but I'll have to go back in the archives and check. In my opinion, it really depends on how, why and where you do your boating. Long range cruising is ideal for diesels whereas a weekend blast in the bay is a lot of fun with big outboards. In any case, very few ocean boaters that I know run anywhere near their boat's top speed unless the ocean lays down flat calm which is rare. 30+ kts in a thirty something foot boat in 4-5 footers is not my idea of fun regardless of the make of the boat. Eisboch |
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NYOB,
I just finished gutting and redoing two bathrooms and the kitchen. If you think you can get away with just writing the check, you are sadly mistaken. ; ) You now will have to listen to all the wonderful options in tile, granite, cabinet woods, refrigerators, stoves, water filters, soap dispensers, faucets and wallpaper. You might as well forget about fishing till the kitchen is finished. ; ) Some wives like to just show their husbands what they picked out. My wife insisted I come with her and be involved in the decision making process. That means I stand there and she tells me how terrible my choice is, and why her choice really is much better. Next, I had to supervise the General Contractor to make sure the project is finished before Armageddon. If I were you, I would price the Whaler at 3 times market value, and let it sit there an rot. ; ) "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts. I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest Grady dealer in the Bay area. Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2. I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales. In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm And another: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price. The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers, radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from Maryland. I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat. Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation across all cylinders All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to fix or replace it. I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this morning. ;-) Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla? I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage. Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's for sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already expressed to her that they might be interested in it. With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new boat, she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission. |
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NOYB,
No fisherman would ever be happy with the Sea Ray, it is definitely a weekender cruising boat, for someone who might like to get a line wet occasionally. Let us know if you wife actually spends many nights about the boat. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts. I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest Grady dealer in the Bay area. Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2. I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales. In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm And another: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price. The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers, radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from Maryland. I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat. Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation across all cylinders All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to fix or replace it. I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this morning. ;-) Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla? I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage. Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's for sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already expressed to her that they might be interested in it. With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new boat, she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission. I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the success in the world with it! Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a family boat. The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for fishing. Have a good one. Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or three small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a freshwater sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush. How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the beach while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks? -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite When our kids were younger we found times when they would nap in the vee bunk or aft cabin while my wife and I cruised or relaxed on the boat. For 2 adults I would think that the vee bunk set up in a 25 foot fishing boat would be clumsy and uncomfortable for an overnight stay. It certainly would not accommodate a family with children for overnight stays on the boat. IMO you cannot have the best of both worlds with a 25~27 foot boat..........it is either good for fishing or cruising/overnighting. It is only until you get into bigger boats, such as the Grady w/aft cabin NOYB is purchasing, that you can come close to meeting both needs. I've been searching long and hard for a Grady 33 Express that would fit my budget. I had given up, figuring I'd wait another couple of years before getting the 33. But when I went to the Ft. Myers boat show, and took a look at the Marlin 30, I realized that it would certainly fit my needs almost as well as the 33. For a week or so, I was actually considering a Sea Ray Amberjack 290...but after some thought, I realized that it was geared too much towards cruising, and too little towards fishing. This is the one area in which Harry and I agree on. The Sea Ray is a "bubble boat"...and looks too much like every other boat out on the water. |
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JohnH,
In most states it would be illegal to let preteens take out the boat for a weekend. When I a was a kid, it was fairly common to let a 12 yr old to take the boat out. Today more states are getting wiser and are setting minimum age requirements for boaters (16yr old), and insisting teens and in some states adults pass a Boater Educational Course. The offer the courses online, and they are far from perfect, but it is a start in the right direction. Today, I see substantially few idiots on the water than I did 10 yrs ago, and the accident statistics continue to show improvements. "John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts. I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest Grady dealer in the Bay area. Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2. I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales. In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm And another: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price. The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers, radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from Maryland. I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat. Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation across all cylinders All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to fix or replace it. I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this morning. ;-) Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla? I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage. Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's for sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already expressed to her that they might be interested in it. With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new boat, she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission. I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the success in the world with it! Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a family boat. The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for fishing. Have a good one. Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or three small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a freshwater sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush. How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the beach while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks? -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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JimH,
I have to agree the boat has probably been well maintained, definitely has low hours on the engine. Even if Harry is really going to sell it at the high end of market value, it would be one a deal. I have always liked the lines of a Parker, and it seems like it is well suited for fishing on the bay. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... "John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:01:49 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Forget that Grady. This is what you want: http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4 Not enough bunks for the kids. But I like Parkers. Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts. I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest Grady dealer in the Bay area. Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2. I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales. In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm And another: http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price. The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers, radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from Maryland. I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat. Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation across all cylinders All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to fix or replace it. I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday after Thanksgiving. I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this morning. ;-) Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla? I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage. Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's for sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already expressed to her that they might be interested in it. With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new boat, she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission. I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the success in the world with it! Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a family boat. The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for fishing. Have a good one. Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or three small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a freshwater sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush. How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the beach while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks? I wouldn't let "pre-teens" take out any boat the size of my Parker or NOYB's present Whaler. Glad to hear it. That's why NOYB is going for a boat which will comfortable handle two adults *and* three kids. I'd take a Parker in a minute, but not as a *family* boat. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite Why not make Harry an offer for it? He said it was "unofficially" up for sale and it sounds like it was very well maintained. Life it too short. Enjoy it. |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:20:23 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:
Why not make Harry an offer for it? He said it was "unofficially" up for sale and it sounds like it was very well maintained. Life it too short. Enjoy it. I can't rationalize a need for a new boat. The one I've got is well suited to the Bay, although another 4' would be nice. Every year I go through the 'new boat' thought process, realizing that as time goes by, my Proline will be more and more difficult to resell. But then I consider the repower option, and it's much cheaper than buying a new boat. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:40:39 -0500, "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my
knighthood. wrote: JohnH, In most states it would be illegal to let preteens take out the boat for a weekend. When I a was a kid, it was fairly common to let a 12 yr old to take the boat out. Today more states are getting wiser and are setting minimum age requirements for boaters (16yr old), and insisting teens and in some states adults pass a Boater Educational Course. The offer the courses online, and they are far from perfect, but it is a start in the right direction. Today, I see substantially few idiots on the water than I did 10 yrs ago, and the accident statistics continue to show improvements. I know, I know. The comment was directed at Harry's comment that his boat could comfortably sleep three kids *or* two adults. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:52:28 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
John H. wrote: On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:40:39 -0500, "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote: JohnH, In most states it would be illegal to let preteens take out the boat for a weekend. When I a was a kid, it was fairly common to let a 12 yr old to take the boat out. Today more states are getting wiser and are setting minimum age requirements for boaters (16yr old), and insisting teens and in some states adults pass a Boater Educational Course. The offer the courses online, and they are far from perfect, but it is a start in the right direction. Today, I see substantially few idiots on the water than I did 10 yrs ago, and the accident statistics continue to show improvements. I know, I know. The comment was directed at Harry's comment that his boat could comfortably sleep three kids *or* two adults. I've had three little kids aboard, and for 10 minutes two of them actually did take naps. Then, it was back to the usual mayhem. I just slap lifejackets on them and hope for the best. Any kid who won't wear a jacket stays ashore. One of my cats likes to ride on the boats. Most of the others probably would not. There aren't many under 30' boats in which I'd want to be trying to sleep while there are a bunch of rugrats aboard. Albin makes a model or two that might be suitable, and they are not the horrid bubble boats. I believe NOYB was talking about an 'overnighter', not an afternoon on the water. The law requires life jackets for little kids, so it's not a matter of choosing. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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Damn, I hate when it whooshes overhead like that.
"John H." wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:40:39 -0500, "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote: JohnH, In most states it would be illegal to let preteens take out the boat for a weekend. When I a was a kid, it was fairly common to let a 12 yr old to take the boat out. Today more states are getting wiser and are setting minimum age requirements for boaters (16yr old), and insisting teens and in some states adults pass a Boater Educational Course. The offer the courses online, and they are far from perfect, but it is a start in the right direction. Today, I see substantially few idiots on the water than I did 10 yrs ago, and the accident statistics continue to show improvements. I know, I know. The comment was directed at Harry's comment that his boat could comfortably sleep three kids *or* two adults. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:43:04 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
The reasons I prefer outboards (in order of importance): Shallow draft Speed Simplicity to replace (although it can be more costly than diesels) ================================= All perfectly valid reasons, it just depends on your priorities. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message k.net... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:55:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: The 33' especially demonstrated to me that a pair of outboards can offer more than a pair of diesels. ========================== The advantage of the diesels is not speed, it is range, fuel economy and longevity. There's a pretty good article in one the major magazines (or perhaps it was Powerboat Reports?) that compared the diesel Glacier bay against a Suzuki-powered Glacier Bay. They made the point that they're not convinced that the diesels will have a distinct longevity advantage over the outboards. I'm pretty sure that overall, they preferred the outboards in the shootout...but I'll have to go back in the archives and check. In my opinion, it really depends on how, why and where you do your boating. Long range cruising is ideal for diesels whereas a weekend blast in the bay is a lot of fun with big outboards. In any case, very few ocean boaters that I know run anywhere near their boat's top speed unless the ocean lays down flat calm which is rare. 30+ kts in a thirty something foot boat in 4-5 footers is not my idea of fun regardless of the make of the boat. You are correct. Seas were running exactly that during the last 25 miles of my trip from Tampa this evening. I was heading SE and the wind was blowing 20 knots from the ENE. It made for a nasty quartering sea. The new boat managed 20-22mph through it, with a fine mist on the transom seat...and rarely some spray on the side curtains. It was especially fun in the dark...as I got a late start leaving the marina. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message k.net... You are correct. Seas were running exactly that during the last 25 miles of my trip from Tampa this evening. I was heading SE and the wind was blowing 20 knots from the ENE. It made for a nasty quartering sea. The new boat managed 20-22mph through it, with a fine mist on the transom seat...and rarely some spray on the side curtains. It was especially fun in the dark...as I got a late start leaving the marina. Well, congrats on the new Grady. Nice boat, for sure. Eisboch |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 04:36:09 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message k.net... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:55:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: The 33' especially demonstrated to me that a pair of outboards can offer more than a pair of diesels. ========================== The advantage of the diesels is not speed, it is range, fuel economy and longevity. There's a pretty good article in one the major magazines (or perhaps it was Powerboat Reports?) that compared the diesel Glacier bay against a Suzuki-powered Glacier Bay. They made the point that they're not convinced that the diesels will have a distinct longevity advantage over the outboards. I'm pretty sure that overall, they preferred the outboards in the shootout...but I'll have to go back in the archives and check. In my opinion, it really depends on how, why and where you do your boating. Long range cruising is ideal for diesels whereas a weekend blast in the bay is a lot of fun with big outboards. In any case, very few ocean boaters that I know run anywhere near their boat's top speed unless the ocean lays down flat calm which is rare. 30+ kts in a thirty something foot boat in 4-5 footers is not my idea of fun regardless of the make of the boat. You are correct. Seas were running exactly that during the last 25 miles of my trip from Tampa this evening. I was heading SE and the wind was blowing 20 knots from the ENE. It made for a nasty quartering sea. The new boat managed 20-22mph through it, with a fine mist on the transom seat...and rarely some spray on the side curtains. It was especially fun in the dark...as I got a late start leaving the marina. Glad to hear you got it home safely! -- John H. |
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