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NOYB November 13th 05 08:24 PM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Autumn of Discontent
The latest NEWSWEEK poll shows serious political trouble for President
Bush.
WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Marcus Mabry
Newsweek
Updated: 2:00 p.m. ET Nov. 12, 2005

Nov. 12, 2005 - In the wake of the bombings in Jordan by suspected
followers of Iraq’s Al Qaeda chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the indictment of
top White House aide I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby and the withdrawal of
Harriet Miers’s nomination to the Supreme Court, President George W. Bush
is sinking deeper and deeper into political trouble, according to the
latest NEWSWEEK poll. Only 36 percent of Americans approve of the job he
is doing as president


They're oversampling Democrats...as usual:

"When NEWSWEEK asked registered voters whether they planned to vote for a
Democrat or a Republican in those elections, 53 percent said a Democrat and
36 percent said a Republican"


These polls mean nothing as long as they continue to oversample Democrats.



But for the second day in a row, Rasmussen has Bush at 46%:

Sunday November 13, 2005--Forty-six percent (46%) of American adults approve
of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-three
percent (53%) of Americans Disapprove of the President's performance.

Bush Job Approval

Strongly Approve 24%
Somewhat Approve 22%
Somewhat Disapprove 15%
Strongly Disapprove 38%



NOYB November 13th 05 09:13 PM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Autumn of Discontent
The latest NEWSWEEK poll shows serious political trouble for President
Bush.
WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Marcus Mabry
Newsweek
Updated: 2:00 p.m. ET Nov. 12, 2005

Nov. 12, 2005 - In the wake of the bombings in Jordan by suspected
followers of Iraq’s Al Qaeda chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the indictment
of top White House aide I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby and the withdrawal of
Harriet Miers’s nomination to the Supreme Court, President George W.
Bush is sinking deeper and deeper into political trouble, according to
the latest NEWSWEEK poll. Only 36 percent of Americans approve of the
job he is doing as president


They're oversampling Democrats...as usual:

"When NEWSWEEK asked registered voters whether they planned to vote for a
Democrat or a Republican in those elections, 53 percent said a Democrat
and 36 percent said a Republican"


These polls mean nothing as long as they continue to oversample
Democrats.





More likely it shows that a percentage of those who voted Republican last
time around aren't going to do so in 2006 or 2008. Doesn;t mean they are
Repubs or Dems.


Yeah, they conveniently leave out the statistics about how many respondents
were registered Democrats vs. registered Republicans. But the AP-Ipsos poll
*did* provide that data: 52% registered Dems and 39% registered
Republicans. I'd suspect that this poll is just as badly skewed.









But for the second day in a row, Rasmussen has Bush at 46%:



HArd to find anyone paying attention to Rasmussen and his autodialers.


Hard for someone intentionally trying to ignore it maybe.




John H. November 13th 05 09:38 PM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:13:40 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:





But for the second day in a row, Rasmussen has Bush at 46%:



HArd to find anyone paying attention to Rasmussen and his autodialers.


Hard for someone intentionally trying to ignore it maybe.



Why are you arguing with Harry when you could be out at Tiburon watching some
PGA golf? The weather looks beautiful down in Naples right now!

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

John H. November 13th 05 09:39 PM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:18:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Autumn of Discontent
The latest NEWSWEEK poll shows serious political trouble for President
Bush.
WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Marcus Mabry
Newsweek
Updated: 2:00 p.m. ET Nov. 12, 2005

Nov. 12, 2005 - In the wake of the bombings in Jordan by suspected
followers of Iraq’s Al Qaeda chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the indictment
of top White House aide I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby and the withdrawal of
Harriet Miers’s nomination to the Supreme Court, President George W.
Bush is sinking deeper and deeper into political trouble, according to
the latest NEWSWEEK poll. Only 36 percent of Americans approve of the
job he is doing as president
They're oversampling Democrats...as usual:

"When NEWSWEEK asked registered voters whether they planned to vote for a
Democrat or a Republican in those elections, 53 percent said a Democrat
and 36 percent said a Republican"


These polls mean nothing as long as they continue to oversample
Democrats.



More likely it shows that a percentage of those who voted Republican last
time around aren't going to do so in 2006 or 2008. Doesn;t mean they are
Repubs or Dems.


Yeah, they conveniently leave out the statistics about how many respondents
were registered Democrats vs. registered Republicans. But the AP-Ipsos poll
*did* provide that data: 52% registered Dems and 39% registered
Republicans. I'd suspect that this poll is just as badly skewed.







But for the second day in a row, Rasmussen has Bush at 46%:

HArd to find anyone paying attention to Rasmussen and his autodialers.


Hard for someone intentionally trying to ignore it maybe.

Well, I don't watch Faux or read Fauxnewsmax.


Who would expect someone enthralled with the 'Enquirer' to watch decent news?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

NOYB November 14th 05 12:39 AM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Autumn of Discontent
The latest NEWSWEEK poll shows serious political trouble for President
Bush.
WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Marcus Mabry
Newsweek
Updated: 2:00 p.m. ET Nov. 12, 2005

Nov. 12, 2005 - In the wake of the bombings in Jordan by suspected
followers of Iraq’s Al Qaeda chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the
indictment of top White House aide I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby and the
withdrawal of Harriet Miers’s nomination to the Supreme Court,
President George W. Bush is sinking deeper and deeper into political
trouble, according to the latest NEWSWEEK poll. Only 36 percent of
Americans approve of the job he is doing as president
They're oversampling Democrats...as usual:

"When NEWSWEEK asked registered voters whether they planned to vote for
a Democrat or a Republican in those elections, 53 percent said a
Democrat and 36 percent said a Republican"


These polls mean nothing as long as they continue to oversample
Democrats.



More likely it shows that a percentage of those who voted Republican
last
time around aren't going to do so in 2006 or 2008. Doesn;t mean they are
Repubs or Dems.


Yeah, they conveniently leave out the statistics about how many
respondents were registered Democrats vs. registered Republicans. But
the AP-Ipsos poll *did* provide that data: 52% registered Dems and 39%
registered Republicans. I'd suspect that this poll is just as badly
skewed.







But for the second day in a row, Rasmussen has Bush at 46%:

HArd to find anyone paying attention to Rasmussen and his autodialers.


Hard for someone intentionally trying to ignore it maybe.

Well, I don't watch Faux or read Fauxnewsmax.


Here is a sampling of local (and some national) news outlets that have made
mention of Rasmussen polling data in the last couple of weeks:

Fort Worth Star Telegram
Kansas City Star
Suffolk News Herald
Palm Beach Post
Richmond Times Dispatch
Washington Times
Stockton Record
St. Petersburg Times
The Free-Lance Star
Lynchburg News and Advance
Huntington Herald Dispatch
LaCrosse Tribune
Eatonville Dispatch
Bloomberg
Beaver Dam Daily Citizen
Harrisonburg Daily News Record
Daily Free Press

And then, of course, there are plenty of Conservative "news" outlets that
have carried it:
Christian Science Monitor
WorldNet Daily
Rushlimbaugh.com
etc...


You may not be reading it in your local rag...but folks around the country
are reading it in their local papers every morning.






NOYB November 14th 05 12:52 AM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:13:40 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:





But for the second day in a row, Rasmussen has Bush at 46%:


HArd to find anyone paying attention to Rasmussen and his autodialers.


Hard for someone intentionally trying to ignore it maybe.



Why are you arguing with Harry when you could be out at Tiburon watching
some
PGA golf? The weather looks beautiful down in Naples right now!


Yesterday, I went to the Ft. Myers in-water boat show, which gave me the
new-boat bug again. So today, I went up to Fishtale Marina in Ft. Myers
Beach to look a Grady White 300 Marlin that I'm thinking about buying.
While up there, I had lunch at the Fish House restaurant. I jumped on the
computer when I got back home to do some "boat research".


I used to enjoy playing golf (even got my handicap down to an 18 for
awhile), but when my second son was born, I gave up playing golf, moved to a
house on the water, and now go boating every weekend with the family
instead. But I've never enjoyed watching golf. The Tiburon golf course is
a nice course that's attached to the Ritz Carlton Golf Lodge. (Trivia:
Naples is the only city in the world that has two Ritz Carlton's--one on the
beach and one on the gulf). I've played the course when it was new, and
thought it was pretty but nothing special. IMO, the course that I used to
live on (Olde Cypress) was a nicer, more challenging course...but there are
a lot more homes around it making it less conducive to spectators.



NOYB November 14th 05 12:53 AM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
NOYB wrote:


Yeah, they conveniently leave out the statistics about how many
respondents were registered Democrats vs. registered Republicans. But
the AP-Ipsos poll *did* provide that data: 52% registered Dems and 39%
registered Republicans. I'd suspect that this poll is just as badly
skewed.



I'd guess a large number of Republicans are so ashamed of their party now,
they won't admit it to pollsters.


But they'll "admit" it to a robot poll...which makes the robot poll more
accurate.




NOYB November 14th 05 12:54 AM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
NOYB wrote:


Yeah, they conveniently leave out the statistics about how many
respondents were registered Democrats vs. registered Republicans. But
the AP-Ipsos poll *did* provide that data: 52% registered Dems and 39%
registered Republicans. I'd suspect that this poll is just as badly
skewed.



I'd guess a large number of Republicans are so ashamed of their party now,
they won't admit it to pollsters.


Which makes the robot poll more accurate. No shame in your answers. Just
truth.






NOYB November 14th 05 01:10 AM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Autumn of Discontent
The latest NEWSWEEK poll shows serious political trouble for
President Bush.
WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Marcus Mabry
Newsweek
Updated: 2:00 p.m. ET Nov. 12, 2005

Nov. 12, 2005 - In the wake of the bombings in Jordan by suspected
followers of Iraq’s Al Qaeda chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the
indictment of top White House aide I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby and the
withdrawal of Harriet Miers’s nomination to the Supreme Court,
President George W. Bush is sinking deeper and deeper into political
trouble, according to the latest NEWSWEEK poll. Only 36 percent of
Americans approve of the job he is doing as president
They're oversampling Democrats...as usual:

"When NEWSWEEK asked registered voters whether they planned to vote
for a Democrat or a Republican in those elections, 53 percent said a
Democrat and 36 percent said a Republican"


These polls mean nothing as long as they continue to oversample
Democrats.


More likely it shows that a percentage of those who voted Republican
last
time around aren't going to do so in 2006 or 2008. Doesn;t mean they
are Repubs or Dems.
Yeah, they conveniently leave out the statistics about how many
respondents were registered Democrats vs. registered Republicans. But
the AP-Ipsos poll *did* provide that data: 52% registered Dems and 39%
registered Republicans. I'd suspect that this poll is just as badly
skewed.





But for the second day in a row, Rasmussen has Bush at 46%:
HArd to find anyone paying attention to Rasmussen and his autodialers.
Hard for someone intentionally trying to ignore it maybe.

Well, I don't watch Faux or read Fauxnewsmax.


Here is a sampling of local (and some national) news outlets that have
made mention of Rasmussen polling data in the last couple of weeks:

Fort Worth Star Telegram
Kansas City Star
Suffolk News Herald
Palm Beach Post
Richmond Times Dispatch
Washington Times
Stockton Record
St. Petersburg Times
The Free-Lance Star
Lynchburg News and Advance
Huntington Herald Dispatch
LaCrosse Tribune
Eatonville Dispatch
Bloomberg
Beaver Dam Daily Citizen
Harrisonburg Daily News Record
Daily Free Press

And then, of course, there are plenty of Conservative "news" outlets that
have carried it:
Christian Science Monitor
WorldNet Daily
Rushlimbaugh.com
etc...


You may not be reading it in your local rag...but folks around the
country are reading it in their local papers every morning.



Yes, I often read the Beaver Dam Daily, the Eatonville Dispatch, and the
Lynchburg News.


Maybe not. But the folks living in Beaver Dam, Eatonville, and Lynchburg
sure do. Doesn't it bug you that some backwoods inbred in Lynchburg knows
more about the President's accurate approval rating than you do?




[email protected] November 14th 05 01:56 AM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 
Maybe not. But the folks living in Beaver Dam, Eatonville, and Lynchburg
sure do. Doesn't it bug you that some backwoods inbred in Lynchburg knows
more about the President's accurate approval rating than you do?



I don't worry about the "backwoods inbred in Lynchburg" that votes Dem
allthe time. I doubt if they really care who is President, as long as
the aid check flows on a regular basis, they probably dont' care who is
what.....


[email protected] November 14th 05 02:01 AM

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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Autumn of Discontent
The latest NEWSWEEK poll shows serious political trouble for President
Bush.
WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Marcus Mabry
Newsweek
Updated: 2:00 p.m. ET Nov. 12, 2005


Nov. 12, 2005 - In the wake of the bombings in Jordan by suspected
followers of Iraq's Al Qaeda chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the
indictment of top White House aide I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby and the
withdrawal of Harriet Miers's nomination to the Supreme Court,
President George W. Bush is sinking deeper and deeper into political
trouble, according to the latest NEWSWEEK poll. Only 36 percent of
Americans approve of the job he is doing as president
They're oversampling Democrats...as usual:



"When NEWSWEEK asked registered voters whether they planned to vote for
a Democrat or a Republican in those elections, 53 percent said a
Democrat and 36 percent said a Republican"



These polls mean nothing as long as they continue to oversample
Democrats.



More likely it shows that a percentage of those who voted Republican
last
time around aren't going to do so in 2006 or 2008. Doesn;t mean they are
Repubs or Dems.
Yeah, they conveniently leave out the statistics about how many
respondents were registered Democrats vs. registered Republicans. But
the AP-Ipsos poll *did* provide that data: 52% registered Dems and 39%
registered Republicans. I'd suspect that this poll is just as badly
skewed.



But for the second day in a row, Rasmussen has Bush at 46%:
HArd to find anyone paying attention to Rasmussen and his autodialers.
Hard for someone intentionally trying to ignore it maybe.



Well, I don't watch Faux or read Fauxnewsmax.



Here is a sampling of local (and some national) news outlets that have made
mention of Rasmussen polling data in the last couple of weeks:



Fort Worth Star Telegram
Kansas City Star
Suffolk News Herald
Palm Beach Post
Richmond Times Dispatch
Washington Times
Stockton Record
St. Petersburg Times
The Free-Lance Star
Lynchburg News and Advance
Huntington Herald Dispatch
LaCrosse Tribune
Eatonville Dispatch
Bloomberg
Beaver Dam Daily Citizen
Harrisonburg Daily News Record
Daily Free Press



And then, of course, there are plenty of Conservative "news" outlets that
have carried it:
Christian Science Monitor
WorldNet Daily
Rushlimbaugh.com
etc...



You may not be reading it in your local rag...but folks around the country
are reading it in their local papers every morning.


Yes, I often read the Beaver Dam Daily, the Eatonville Dispatch, and the
Lynchburg News.


Harry, I didn't know you were really that intrested in the opinions of
"backwoods inbreds"..


Bill McKee November 14th 05 02:09 AM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Autumn of Discontent
The latest NEWSWEEK poll shows serious political trouble for
President Bush.
WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Marcus Mabry
Newsweek
Updated: 2:00 p.m. ET Nov. 12, 2005

Nov. 12, 2005 - In the wake of the bombings in Jordan by suspected
followers of Iraq's Al Qaeda chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the
indictment of top White House aide I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby and the
withdrawal of Harriet Miers's nomination to the Supreme Court,
President George W. Bush is sinking deeper and deeper into political
trouble, according to the latest NEWSWEEK poll. Only 36 percent of
Americans approve of the job he is doing as president
They're oversampling Democrats...as usual:

"When NEWSWEEK asked registered voters whether they planned to vote
for a Democrat or a Republican in those elections, 53 percent said a
Democrat and 36 percent said a Republican"


These polls mean nothing as long as they continue to oversample
Democrats.



More likely it shows that a percentage of those who voted Republican
last
time around aren't going to do so in 2006 or 2008. Doesn;t mean they
are Repubs or Dems.

Yeah, they conveniently leave out the statistics about how many
respondents were registered Democrats vs. registered Republicans. But
the AP-Ipsos poll *did* provide that data: 52% registered Dems and 39%
registered Republicans. I'd suspect that this poll is just as badly
skewed.







But for the second day in a row, Rasmussen has Bush at 46%:

HArd to find anyone paying attention to Rasmussen and his autodialers.

Hard for someone intentionally trying to ignore it maybe.

Well, I don't watch Faux or read Fauxnewsmax.


Here is a sampling of local (and some national) news outlets that have
made mention of Rasmussen polling data in the last couple of weeks:

Fort Worth Star Telegram
Kansas City Star
Suffolk News Herald
Palm Beach Post
Richmond Times Dispatch
Washington Times
Stockton Record
St. Petersburg Times
The Free-Lance Star
Lynchburg News and Advance
Huntington Herald Dispatch
LaCrosse Tribune
Eatonville Dispatch
Bloomberg
Beaver Dam Daily Citizen
Harrisonburg Daily News Record
Daily Free Press

And then, of course, there are plenty of Conservative "news" outlets that
have carried it:
Christian Science Monitor
WorldNet Daily
Rushlimbaugh.com
etc...


You may not be reading it in your local rag...but folks around the country
are reading it in their local papers every morning.



Does not matter what the polls say, Bush is POTUS until January 2009. What
kind of candidate is the Democratic party going to run? Another loser like
AGore or Kerry? If the Dem's persist on peeing on their leg, and the
Republican's put up a more moderate candidate, the Dem's are toast for
another 8 years.



-rick- November 14th 05 03:25 AM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

Yeah, they conveniently leave out the statistics about how many respondents
were registered Democrats vs. registered Republicans. But the AP-Ipsos poll
*did* provide that data: 52% registered Dems and 39% registered Republicans.
I'd suspect that this poll is just as badly skewed.



You misstate the data.

----
Question #1:

Do your beliefs tend to lean more toward the Democrats or the Republicans?
----

Which does not necessarily equate to party affiliation.

(hint: independents)



Bert Robbins November 14th 05 03:37 AM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 

"-rick-" wrote in message
. ..

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

Yeah, they conveniently leave out the statistics about how many
respondents were registered Democrats vs. registered Republicans. But
the AP-Ipsos poll *did* provide that data: 52% registered Dems and 39%
registered Republicans. I'd suspect that this poll is just as badly
skewed.



You misstate the data.

----
Question #1:

Do your beliefs tend to lean more toward the Democrats or the Republicans?
----

Which does not necessarily equate to party affiliation.

(hint: independents)


Independents are those that have not internalized that they are Republican
or Democrat.



NOYB November 14th 05 03:56 AM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 

"-rick-" wrote in message
. ..

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

Yeah, they conveniently leave out the statistics about how many
respondents were registered Democrats vs. registered Republicans. But
the AP-Ipsos poll *did* provide that data: 52% registered Dems and 39%
registered Republicans. I'd suspect that this poll is just as badly
skewed.



You misstate the data.

----
Question #1:

Do your beliefs tend to lean more toward the Democrats or the Republicans?
----

Which does not necessarily equate to party affiliation.


" Half the respondents were asked party identification in this location, the
other half were asked at the end of the survey with the

other demographic questions. Results for the respondents who were asked the
question early were 40% Republican, 50%

Democrat. For the respondents asked later in the survey, the results were
39% Republican, 52% Democrat."





(In your opinion, party identification doesn't mean the same thing as party
affiliation? )




(hint: independents)


Yes, independents...which is explained by the fact that 52%+39% doesn't
equal 100%.







thunder November 14th 05 04:03 AM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:09:12 +0000, Bill McKee wrote:


Does not matter what the polls say, Bush is POTUS until January 2009.
What kind of candidate is the Democratic party going to run? Another
loser like AGore or Kerry? If the Dem's persist on peeing on their leg,
and the Republican's put up a more moderate candidate, the Dem's are toast
for another 8 years.


There are quite a few "ifs" in there, but the main one is a "more moderate
candidate." A lot of Americans don't have a problem voting Republican or
Democrat. A lot of Americans do have a problem with voting for someone
who panders to the far wings, left or right. This country has always been
run from the center. Some of the most vocal in the Republican Party,
think they have a mandate to move this country way over to the right.
They don't.

NOYB November 14th 05 04:09 AM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:09:12 +0000, Bill McKee wrote:


Does not matter what the polls say, Bush is POTUS until January 2009.
What kind of candidate is the Democratic party going to run? Another
loser like AGore or Kerry? If the Dem's persist on peeing on their leg,
and the Republican's put up a more moderate candidate, the Dem's are
toast
for another 8 years.


There are quite a few "ifs" in there, but the main one is a "more moderate
candidate." A lot of Americans don't have a problem voting Republican or
Democrat. A lot of Americans do have a problem with voting for someone
who panders to the far wings, left or right. This country has always been
run from the center. Some of the most vocal in the Republican Party,
think they have a mandate to move this country way over to the right.
They don't.


We'll see. Two successful conservative Supreme Court nominations could
certainly move us to the right.




thunder November 14th 05 04:19 AM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:09:28 +0000, NOYB wrote:


We'll see. Two successful conservative Supreme Court nominations could
certainly move us to the right.


Uh, no, that would move the Court to the right. Personally, I'm thinking
it's a wash. Rehnquist was already quite conservative. I think Alito
will be comparably right, but I'm also suspecting Roberts is a lot close
to an O'Connor than you would like. Still, Stevens is 85. If he can't
hang on, and Bush gets to appoint yet another Justice, all bets are off.
I'd also point out, if you think the Court is too liberal, you have no one
to blame but Republicans. They have appointed 7 of the 9 Justices.

-rick- November 14th 05 05:50 AM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier (OT)
 

"NOYB" wrote ...

" Half the respondents were asked party identification in this location, the
other half were asked at the end of the survey with the

other demographic questions. Results for the respondents who were asked the
question early were 40% Republican, 50%

Democrat. For the respondents asked later in the survey, the results were 39%
Republican, 52% Democrat."

(In your opinion, party identification doesn't mean the same thing as party
affiliation? )


Not exactly. Expectations and performance vary over time. "Do your beliefs
tend to lean more toward the Democrats or the Republicans?" is not equivalent to
"what is your party affiliation" or "are you a registered republican or
democrat?" as you seem to imply. That was my point.

I don't mean to unreasonably split hairs but your premise that this response
invalidates the poll isn't obvious to me. If a statistically significant random
sample yields that result why is it not valid within the probabilities of it's
margin of error? Do you have evidence of non-random sampling?

-rick-



NOYB November 14th 05 01:33 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:09:12 +0000, Bill McKee wrote:


Does not matter what the polls say, Bush is POTUS until January 2009.
What kind of candidate is the Democratic party going to run? Another
loser like AGore or Kerry? If the Dem's persist on peeing on their
leg,
and the Republican's put up a more moderate candidate, the Dem's are
toast
for another 8 years.
There are quite a few "ifs" in there, but the main one is a "more
moderate
candidate." A lot of Americans don't have a problem voting Republican
or
Democrat. A lot of Americans do have a problem with voting for someone
who panders to the far wings, left or right. This country has always
been
run from the center. Some of the most vocal in the Republican Party,
think they have a mandate to move this country way over to the right.
They don't.


We'll see. Two successful conservative Supreme Court nominations could
certainly move us to the right.



Back to the dark ages.


Were the 1950's really all that dark?




NOYB November 14th 05 01:36 PM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:09:28 +0000, NOYB wrote:


We'll see. Two successful conservative Supreme Court nominations could
certainly move us to the right.


Uh, no, that would move the Court to the right. Personally, I'm thinking
it's a wash. Rehnquist was already quite conservative. I think Alito
will be comparably right, but I'm also suspecting Roberts is a lot close
to an O'Connor than you would like. Still, Stevens is 85. If he can't
hang on, and Bush gets to appoint yet another Justice, all bets are off.
I'd also point out, if you think the Court is too liberal, you have no one
to blame but Republicans. They have appointed 7 of the 9 Justices.


Just because a President has an (R) after his name, doesn't mean that every
choice
he makes is a good one. That is, unless we're talking about Bush 43.




NOYB November 14th 05 01:38 PM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:09:28 +0000, NOYB wrote:


We'll see. Two successful conservative Supreme Court nominations could
certainly move us to the right.


NOYB, with all of this torture talk coming from the VP's office, I'm
starting to see things your way. I'm thinking Cheney might be on to
something. I'm thinking if Fitzgerald put the electrodes to Libby we
might get to the bottom of this Plame mess.




What say you?


Sure. As long as he doesn't turn the thing on, it's not torture.

Maybe not real
"torture", just the fraternity type hazing Rush keeps talking about. You
know, strip Libby naked, hook up some wires, snap some pics and plaster
them all over the world's televisions. I think Libby will sing like a
canary. What say you?


Only the Commander in Chief gets to choose who is lucky enough to receive
such forms
of interrogation. I say Bush hooks Wilson up to the electrodes.



NOYB November 14th 05 01:39 PM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier (OT)
 

"-rick-" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote ...

" Half the respondents were asked party identification in this location,
the other half were asked at the end of the survey with the

other demographic questions. Results for the respondents who were asked
the question early were 40% Republican, 50%

Democrat. For the respondents asked later in the survey, the results were
39% Republican, 52% Democrat."

(In your opinion, party identification doesn't mean the same thing as
party affiliation? )


Not exactly. Expectations and performance vary over time. "Do your
beliefs tend to lean more toward the Democrats or the Republicans?" is not
equivalent to "what is your party affiliation" or "are you a registered
republican or democrat?" as you seem to imply. That was my point.

I don't mean to unreasonably split hairs but your premise that this
response invalidates the poll isn't obvious to me. If a statistically
significant random sample yields that result why is it not valid within
the probabilities of it's margin of error? Do you have evidence of
non-random sampling?


The sampling may be fine. It's the weighting that I have a problem with.




John H. November 14th 05 10:03 PM

Newsweek Poll makes a sunny Sunday sunnier
 
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:28:54 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:09:28 +0000, NOYB wrote:


We'll see. Two successful conservative Supreme Court nominations could
certainly move us to the right.


NOYB, with all of this torture talk coming from the VP's office, I'm
starting to see things your way. I'm thinking Cheney might be on to
something. I'm thinking if Fitzgerald put the electrodes to Libby we
might get to the bottom of this Plame mess. What say you? Maybe not real
"torture", just the fraternity type hazing Rush keeps talking about. You
know, strip Libby naked, hook up some wires, snap some pics and plaster
them all over the world's televisions. I think Libby will sing like a
canary. What say you?


What's Rush been talking about lately?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes


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