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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:22:46 -0500, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


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Typical, Christian zealots need to rule by fear, because there are no
facts!


Pat Robertson warns Pa. town of disaster

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. -- Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson warned
residents of a rural Pennsylvania town Thursday that disaster may
strike there because they "voted God out of your city" by ousting
school board members who favored teaching intelligent design.

Robertson takes the term "loose cannon" to totally new levels. :-)

But, Robertson is right the issue. Either you acknowlege God or you don't.
If you don't acknowledge God then why are you asking Him for things?

which has what to do with science? and it was freedom, not religion,
that made america great. saudi arabia has religion.




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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:25:38 -0500, "P Fritz"
wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Typical, Christian zealots need to rule by fear, because there are no
facts!


Pat Robertson warns Pa. town of disaster

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. -- Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson warned
residents of a rural Pennsylvania town Thursday that disaster may
strike there because they "voted God out of your city" by ousting
school board members who favored teaching intelligent design.

Robertson takes the term "loose cannon" to totally new levels. :-)

But, Robertson is right the issue. Either you acknowlege God or you don't.
If you don't acknowledge God then why are you asking Him for things?



It is pretty funny to see the claim about ruling by fear.........that is
straight out of the liebral playbook.





robertson's a liberal?? gee...you must be ghengis khan.

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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:48:22 -0500, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:



He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish
instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves.

ROFLMAO!! he never read the bible! jesus did PRECISELY this!


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In article , says...

Only a person unwilling to know and understand the Bible would take that
passage as you and Chuck took it. A truly spiritual person sees much more
in it..........certainly not what Chuck suggested.

Read this passage and tell me what your interpretation is:

John Chapter 21
1
After this, Jesus revealed himself again to his disciples at the Sea of
Tiberias. He revealed himself in this way.
2
Together were Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana in
Galilee, Zebedee's sons, 2 and two others of his disciples.
3
Simon Peter said to them, "I am going fishing." They said to him, "We also
will come with you." So they went out and got into the boat, but that night
they caught nothing.
4
When it was already dawn, Jesus was standing on the shore; but the
disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.
5
Jesus said to them, "Children, have you caught anything to eat?" They
answered him, "No."
6
So he said to them, "Cast the net over the right side of the boat and you
will find something." So they cast it, and were not able to pull it in
because of the number of fish.
7
So the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord." When
Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he tucked in his garment, for he was
lightly clad, and jumped into the sea.
8
The other disciples came in the boat, for they were not far from shore,
only about a hundred yards, dragging the net with the fish.
9
When they climbed out on shore, they saw a charcoal fire with fish on it
and bread.
10
Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish you just caught."
11
So Simon Peter went over and dragged the net ashore full of one hundred
fifty-three large fish. Even though there were so many, the net was not
torn.
12
Jesus said to them, "Come, have breakfast." And none of the disciples
dared to ask him, Who are you?" because they realized it was the Lord.
13
Jesus came over and took the bread and gave it to them, and in like manner
the fish.
14 This was now the third time Jesus was revealed to his disciples
after being raised from the dead.
15
When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son
of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you
know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs."
16
He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?"
He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend
my sheep."
17
He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter
was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and
he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you."
(Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep.
18
Amen, amen, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to dress
yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch
out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do
not want to go."
19
He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And
when he had said this, he said to him, "Follow me."

If you think this passage is about teaching a man to fish you're dimmer
than I could have ever believed.

It's a metaphor for the direction in which you cast your life and faith.

No wonder neo-christians have such a bad name.

jps

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Most church books are subject to an audit. There is a financial committee
who oversees the spending, and an independent auditor reviewing it annually.


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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:44:22 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:20:48 -0800, jps wrote:

In article ,
PocoLoco415
@hotmail.com says...
On 11 Nov 2005 15:23:35 -0800, wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
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In article
.com,
says...

What an idiot!!!! Christians ruled by fear LONG before there
were
liberals!!! You right wing lunatics adopted any and all of
their ideals.
All Abrahamic religions include the hairy thunderer who would
smote
folks for any number of reasons.
There are consequences.

While I don't believe Jesus was the first true liberal, he
certainly was
a raging liberal.
He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving
out fish
instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves.
Gotcha!

Matthew, Chapter 14

14:15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying,
This
is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude
away,
that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals.

14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye
them to
eat.

14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and
two
fishes.

14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me.

14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass,
and took
the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he
blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to [his] disciples, and
the
disciples to the multitude.

14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of
the
fragments that remained twelve baskets full.

14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men,
beside
women and children.

14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into
a
ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the
multitudes away.


Do the conservatives have a special version of the story? One
where the
disciples come to Jesus saying "the people are hungry" and he
replies,
"Go then, and teach them how to fish!"? :-)

Looks like he not only "handed out fish", but the bread course as
well.
:-)
You missed the point: He didn't take up a collection from the
disciples to pay
for the fish!
That's the point you want to make, post facto.

The point was Jesus wasn't the one to who came up with "teach a man
to fish."

Sorta like Bush wanting to change his story every time the previous
on didn't quite pan out.

Jesus was into sharing. I'm sure he would have been into the rich
taking care of the poor and having it happen voluntarily. However,
I'm sure if he didn't see it happening voluntarily, he would not
have simply turned his back on the poor. He would have found some
reason the rich would see reason in redistributing wealth.

"easier for a camel..."

jps
Key word - voluntarily. *If* you attended almost any church, you'd
see just how
much is *voluntarily* given to the poor.

A lot of money is given voluntarily to churches, but that doesn't
mean it is going to the poor.
You, of course, track the budgets and expenditures of all churches. I
should
have known.


That's right, John. Churches never lie about where the money is going,
and Army recruiters never lie to those they are trying to induce into
signing up. Everything is perfect in your world.

Except:

March 5: Missing Church Funds

Reported and Web Produced by: I-Team
Updated: 03/05/04 17:35:08

THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE MISUSE OF FUNDS AT CINCINNATI'S LARGEST
PARISH IS NOW WITH THE HAMILTON COUNTY PROSECUTOR.

I-TEAM REPORTER LAURE QUINLIVAN HAS BEEN FOLLOWING THE ALLEGED MISUSE
OF FUNDS AT GOOD SHEPHERD PARISH BY FORMER PASTOR REVEREND TOM AXE.

LAURE WHAT'S THE LATEST?

PROSECUTOR MIKE ALLEN MUST NOW DECIDE WHETHER TO PRESENT EVIDENCE TO A
GRAND JURY.

REVEREND TOM AXE IS A CLOSE PERSONAL FRIEND OF ARCHBISHOP DANIEL
PILARCZYK, AND THE ARCHDIOCESE IS REFUSING COMMENT ON THIS CASE.

FATHER AXE TOOK EARLY RETIREMENT IN NOVEMBER. IN HIS LAST TALK FROM THE
PULPIT, HE TOLD PARISHONERS AN AUDIT FOUND SOME FUNDS IN A
DISCRETIONARY ACCOUNT WENT FOR THE PASTOR'S PERSONAL BENEFIT. HE SAID A
FULL AUDIT WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE SOON.

FOUR MONTHS LATER, GOOD SHEPHERD PARISHONERS ARE STILL WAITING TO SEE
THE AUDIT.

PARISHONERS WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WAS TAKEN AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE.

MONTGOMERY POLICE CHIEF KIRK NORDBLOOM BEGAN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION
IN DECEMBER.

And about 20,000 other hits.

You can certainly find corruption in all religions Harry. We are human
and have potential moral weaknesses. I knew someone responsible for
counting the collection plate basket and stole cash from it.

Did this make my Church bad or evil?

Yes, there are bad players in all religions. However, I do not think
that the *Church* in general intestinally lies about their donations and
budgets.




That's not my point. My point was that without audited financials, one
has no idea where that collected money is going. My house of worship
publishes an annual financial report AND a quarterly balance sheet in its
newsletter. So does my father-in-law's.

Fair enough. I agree that the Church's books should be subject to audit.
I did not know they weren't.

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"jps" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
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In article , says...
jps wrote:

Put Robertson in a robe and you'd have a hard time distinguishing
him
from a fanatical Islamic lunatic.

...or the Looney Left's Howard Dean.

Pardon me Snippy, but I don't recall Howard Dean using God as a hammer.

Could you please cite an example or, as you are able, cut and paste
something together that supports your vapid theory.

Who put the muzzle on Dean. The guy is laughable and the DNC is ****ed
that
they let him be their leader. As soon as Hillary starts here run he will
be
out on his ass.

What in God's name does this have to do with Pat Robertson being a
religious zealot?

I realize you're in the running for the Snippy Trophy of Density (STD),
but, in order to win you'll have to make comments that exceed Snippy's
density.

Happy birthday just the same Bertie.

The happy birthday wish is a day late but I thank you for remembering.

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"Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and
you have fed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to sell fish and he eats
steak."-Author unknown



"jps" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

Only a person unwilling to know and understand the Bible would take that
passage as you and Chuck took it. A truly spiritual person sees much
more
in it..........certainly not what Chuck suggested.

Read this passage and tell me what your interpretation is:

John Chapter 21
1
After this, Jesus revealed himself again to his disciples at the Sea of
Tiberias. He revealed himself in this way.
2
Together were Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana
in
Galilee, Zebedee's sons, 2 and two others of his disciples.
3
Simon Peter said to them, "I am going fishing." They said to him, "We
also
will come with you." So they went out and got into the boat, but that
night
they caught nothing.
4
When it was already dawn, Jesus was standing on the shore; but the
disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.
5
Jesus said to them, "Children, have you caught anything to eat?" They
answered him, "No."
6
So he said to them, "Cast the net over the right side of the boat and
you
will find something." So they cast it, and were not able to pull it in
because of the number of fish.
7
So the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord." When
Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he tucked in his garment, for he
was
lightly clad, and jumped into the sea.
8
The other disciples came in the boat, for they were not far from shore,
only about a hundred yards, dragging the net with the fish.
9
When they climbed out on shore, they saw a charcoal fire with fish on
it
and bread.
10
Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish you just caught."
11
So Simon Peter went over and dragged the net ashore full of one hundred
fifty-three large fish. Even though there were so many, the net was not
torn.
12
Jesus said to them, "Come, have breakfast." And none of the disciples
dared to ask him, Who are you?" because they realized it was the Lord.
13
Jesus came over and took the bread and gave it to them, and in like
manner
the fish.
14 This was now the third time Jesus was revealed to his disciples
after being raised from the dead.
15
When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon,
son
of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you
know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs."
16
He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love
me?"
He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him,
"Tend
my sheep."
17
He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?"
Peter
was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?"
and
he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you."
(Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep.
18
Amen, amen, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to dress
yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch
out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do
not want to go."
19
He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And
when he had said this, he said to him, "Follow me."

If you think this passage is about teaching a man to fish you're dimmer
than I could have ever believed.

It's a metaphor for the direction in which you cast your life and faith.

No wonder neo-christians have such a bad name.

jps

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wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
says...

What an idiot!!!! Christians ruled by fear LONG before there were
liberals!!! You right wing lunatics adopted any and all of their
ideals.

All Abrahamic religions include the hairy thunderer who would smote
folks for any number of reasons.

There are consequences.

While I don't believe Jesus was the first true liberal, he certainly
was
a raging liberal.

He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish
instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves.

Gotcha!

Matthew, Chapter 14

14:15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This
is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away,
that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals.

14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to
eat.

14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two
fishes.

14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me.

14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took
the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he
blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to [his] disciples, and the
disciples to the multitude.

14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the
fragments that remained twelve baskets full.

14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside
women and children.

14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a
ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the
multitudes away.

Why Rev. Chuck I didn't know you were a Net-Evangilist. For someone that
hates religion you sure do quote the bible alot.

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“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and
you can sell him fishing equipment.”—Author unknown





"Mr. Smithers" The University called, I lost my PhD. wrote in message
...
"Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and
you have fed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to sell fish and he eats
steak."-Author unknown



"jps" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

Only a person unwilling to know and understand the Bible would take that
passage as you and Chuck took it. A truly spiritual person sees much
more
in it..........certainly not what Chuck suggested.

Read this passage and tell me what your interpretation is:

John Chapter 21
1
After this, Jesus revealed himself again to his disciples at the Sea
of
Tiberias. He revealed himself in this way.
2
Together were Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana
in
Galilee, Zebedee's sons, 2 and two others of his disciples.
3
Simon Peter said to them, "I am going fishing." They said to him, "We
also
will come with you." So they went out and got into the boat, but that
night
they caught nothing.
4
When it was already dawn, Jesus was standing on the shore; but the
disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.
5
Jesus said to them, "Children, have you caught anything to eat?" They
answered him, "No."
6
So he said to them, "Cast the net over the right side of the boat and
you
will find something." So they cast it, and were not able to pull it in
because of the number of fish.
7
So the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord." When
Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he tucked in his garment, for he
was
lightly clad, and jumped into the sea.
8
The other disciples came in the boat, for they were not far from
shore,
only about a hundred yards, dragging the net with the fish.
9
When they climbed out on shore, they saw a charcoal fire with fish on
it
and bread.
10
Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish you just caught."
11
So Simon Peter went over and dragged the net ashore full of one
hundred
fifty-three large fish. Even though there were so many, the net was not
torn.
12
Jesus said to them, "Come, have breakfast." And none of the disciples
dared to ask him, Who are you?" because they realized it was the Lord.
13
Jesus came over and took the bread and gave it to them, and in like
manner
the fish.
14 This was now the third time Jesus was revealed to his disciples
after being raised from the dead.
15
When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon,
son
of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord,
you
know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs."
16
He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love
me?"
He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him,
"Tend
my sheep."
17
He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?"
Peter
was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?"
and
he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you."
(Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep.
18
Amen, amen, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to dress
yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will
stretch
out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you
do
not want to go."
19
He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God.
And
when he had said this, he said to him, "Follow me."

If you think this passage is about teaching a man to fish you're dimmer
than I could have ever believed.

It's a metaphor for the direction in which you cast your life and faith.

No wonder neo-christians have such a bad name.

jps

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"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:44:22 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:20:48 -0800, jps wrote:

In article , PocoLoco415
@hotmail.com says...
On 11 Nov 2005 15:23:35 -0800, wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
says...

What an idiot!!!! Christians ruled by fear LONG before there were
liberals!!! You right wing lunatics adopted any and all of their
ideals.
All Abrahamic religions include the hairy thunderer who would smote
folks for any number of reasons.
There are consequences.

While I don't believe Jesus was the first true liberal, he
certainly was
a raging liberal.
He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out
fish
instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves.
Gotcha!

Matthew, Chapter 14

14:15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying,
This
is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away,
that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals.

14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to
eat.

14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two
fishes.

14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me.

14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and
took
the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he
blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to [his] disciples, and the
disciples to the multitude.

14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the
fragments that remained twelve baskets full.

14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside
women and children.

14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a
ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the
multitudes away.


Do the conservatives have a special version of the story? One where
the
disciples come to Jesus saying "the people are hungry" and he
replies,
"Go then, and teach them how to fish!"? :-)

Looks like he not only "handed out fish", but the bread course as
well.
:-)
You missed the point: He didn't take up a collection from the
disciples to pay
for the fish!
That's the point you want to make, post facto.

The point was Jesus wasn't the one to who came up with "teach a man to
fish."

Sorta like Bush wanting to change his story every time the previous on
didn't quite pan out.

Jesus was into sharing. I'm sure he would have been into the rich
taking care of the poor and having it happen voluntarily. However, I'm
sure if he didn't see it happening voluntarily, he would not have
simply
turned his back on the poor. He would have found some reason the rich
would see reason in redistributing wealth.

"easier for a camel..."

jps

Key word - voluntarily. *If* you attended almost any church, you'd see
just how
much is *voluntarily* given to the poor.



A lot of money is given voluntarily to churches, but that doesn't mean
it is going to the poor.

You, of course, track the budgets and expenditures of all churches. I
should
have known.

He's using the Union Local's and and National's as his example.