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@hotmail.com says... On 11 Nov 2005 15:23:35 -0800, wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article .com, says... What an idiot!!!! Christians ruled by fear LONG before there were liberals!!! You right wing lunatics adopted any and all of their ideals. All Abrahamic religions include the hairy thunderer who would smote folks for any number of reasons. There are consequences. While I don't believe Jesus was the first true liberal, he certainly was a raging liberal. He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves. Gotcha! Matthew, Chapter 14 14:15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. 14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me. 14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to [his] disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. 14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full. 14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children. 14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. Do the conservatives have a special version of the story? One where the disciples come to Jesus saying "the people are hungry" and he replies, "Go then, and teach them how to fish!"? :-) Looks like he not only "handed out fish", but the bread course as well. :-) You missed the point: He didn't take up a collection from the disciples to pay for the fish! That's the point you want to make, post facto. The point was Jesus wasn't the one to who came up with "teach a man to fish." Sorta like Bush wanting to change his story every time the previous on didn't quite pan out. Jesus was into sharing. I'm sure he would have been into the rich taking care of the poor and having it happen voluntarily. However, I'm sure if he didn't see it happening voluntarily, he would not have simply turned his back on the poor. He would have found some reason the rich would see reason in redistributing wealth. "easier for a camel..." jps |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:20:48 -0800, jps wrote:
In article , PocoLoco415 says... On 11 Nov 2005 15:23:35 -0800, wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article .com, says... What an idiot!!!! Christians ruled by fear LONG before there were liberals!!! You right wing lunatics adopted any and all of their ideals. All Abrahamic religions include the hairy thunderer who would smote folks for any number of reasons. There are consequences. While I don't believe Jesus was the first true liberal, he certainly was a raging liberal. He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves. Gotcha! Matthew, Chapter 14 14:15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. 14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me. 14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to [his] disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. 14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full. 14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children. 14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. Do the conservatives have a special version of the story? One where the disciples come to Jesus saying "the people are hungry" and he replies, "Go then, and teach them how to fish!"? :-) Looks like he not only "handed out fish", but the bread course as well. :-) You missed the point: He didn't take up a collection from the disciples to pay for the fish! That's the point you want to make, post facto. The point was Jesus wasn't the one to who came up with "teach a man to fish." Sorta like Bush wanting to change his story every time the previous on didn't quite pan out. Jesus was into sharing. I'm sure he would have been into the rich taking care of the poor and having it happen voluntarily. However, I'm sure if he didn't see it happening voluntarily, he would not have simply turned his back on the poor. He would have found some reason the rich would see reason in redistributing wealth. "easier for a camel..." jps Key word - voluntarily. *If* you attended almost any church, you'd see just how much is *voluntarily* given to the poor. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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jps wrote: In article , says... wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves. Gotcha! Matthew, Chapter 14 14:15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. 14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me. 14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to [his] disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. 14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full. 14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children. 14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. Do the conservatives have a special version of the story? One where the disciples come to Jesus saying "the people are hungry" and he replies, "Go then, and teach them how to fish!"? :-) Looks like he not only "handed out fish", but the bread course as well. :-) Hell Chuck, one can quote passages from the Bible to make a case for either side. Give us the quote then. I don't think your gun has any bullets in it. Go ahead, make my day. jps Only a person unwilling to know and understand the Bible would take that passage as you and Chuck took it. A truly spiritual person sees much more in it..........certainly not what Chuck suggested. Read this passage and tell me what your interpretation is: John Chapter 21 1 After this, Jesus revealed himself again to his disciples at the Sea of Tiberias. He revealed himself in this way. 2 Together were Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, Zebedee's sons, 2 and two others of his disciples. 3 Simon Peter said to them, "I am going fishing." They said to him, "We also will come with you." So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing. 4 When it was already dawn, Jesus was standing on the shore; but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus. 5 Jesus said to them, "Children, have you caught anything to eat?" They answered him, "No." 6 So he said to them, "Cast the net over the right side of the boat and you will find something." So they cast it, and were not able to pull it in because of the number of fish. 7 So the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord." When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he tucked in his garment, for he was lightly clad, and jumped into the sea. 8 The other disciples came in the boat, for they were not far from shore, only about a hundred yards, dragging the net with the fish. 9 When they climbed out on shore, they saw a charcoal fire with fish on it and bread. 10 Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish you just caught." 11 So Simon Peter went over and dragged the net ashore full of one hundred fifty-three large fish. Even though there were so many, the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, "Come, have breakfast." And none of the disciples dared to ask him, Who are you?" because they realized it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came over and took the bread and gave it to them, and in like manner the fish. 14 This was now the third time Jesus was revealed to his disciples after being raised from the dead. 15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs." 16 He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep. 18 Amen, amen, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to dress yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go." 19 He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And when he had said this, he said to him, "Follow me." |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:44:22 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
John H. wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:20:48 -0800, jps wrote: In article , PocoLoco415 @hotmail.com says... On 11 Nov 2005 15:23:35 -0800, wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article .com, says... What an idiot!!!! Christians ruled by fear LONG before there were liberals!!! You right wing lunatics adopted any and all of their ideals. All Abrahamic religions include the hairy thunderer who would smote folks for any number of reasons. There are consequences. While I don't believe Jesus was the first true liberal, he certainly was a raging liberal. He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves. Gotcha! Matthew, Chapter 14 14:15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. 14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me. 14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to [his] disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. 14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full. 14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children. 14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. Do the conservatives have a special version of the story? One where the disciples come to Jesus saying "the people are hungry" and he replies, "Go then, and teach them how to fish!"? :-) Looks like he not only "handed out fish", but the bread course as well. :-) You missed the point: He didn't take up a collection from the disciples to pay for the fish! That's the point you want to make, post facto. The point was Jesus wasn't the one to who came up with "teach a man to fish." Sorta like Bush wanting to change his story every time the previous on didn't quite pan out. Jesus was into sharing. I'm sure he would have been into the rich taking care of the poor and having it happen voluntarily. However, I'm sure if he didn't see it happening voluntarily, he would not have simply turned his back on the poor. He would have found some reason the rich would see reason in redistributing wealth. "easier for a camel..." jps Key word - voluntarily. *If* you attended almost any church, you'd see just how much is *voluntarily* given to the poor. A lot of money is given voluntarily to churches, but that doesn't mean it is going to the poor. You, of course, track the budgets and expenditures of all churches. I should have known. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:44:22 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:20:48 -0800, jps wrote: In article , PocoLoco415 @hotmail.com says... On 11 Nov 2005 15:23:35 -0800, wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article .com, says... What an idiot!!!! Christians ruled by fear LONG before there were liberals!!! You right wing lunatics adopted any and all of their ideals. All Abrahamic religions include the hairy thunderer who would smote folks for any number of reasons. There are consequences. While I don't believe Jesus was the first true liberal, he certainly was a raging liberal. He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves. Gotcha! Matthew, Chapter 14 14:15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. 14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me. 14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to [his] disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. 14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full. 14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children. 14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. Do the conservatives have a special version of the story? One where the disciples come to Jesus saying "the people are hungry" and he replies, "Go then, and teach them how to fish!"? :-) Looks like he not only "handed out fish", but the bread course as well. :-) You missed the point: He didn't take up a collection from the disciples to pay for the fish! That's the point you want to make, post facto. The point was Jesus wasn't the one to who came up with "teach a man to fish." Sorta like Bush wanting to change his story every time the previous on didn't quite pan out. Jesus was into sharing. I'm sure he would have been into the rich taking care of the poor and having it happen voluntarily. However, I'm sure if he didn't see it happening voluntarily, he would not have simply turned his back on the poor. He would have found some reason the rich would see reason in redistributing wealth. "easier for a camel..." jps Key word - voluntarily. *If* you attended almost any church, you'd see just how much is *voluntarily* given to the poor. A lot of money is given voluntarily to churches, but that doesn't mean it is going to the poor. You, of course, track the budgets and expenditures of all churches. I should have known. That's right, John. Churches never lie about where the money is going, and Army recruiters never lie to those they are trying to induce into signing up. Everything is perfect in your world. Except: March 5: Missing Church Funds Reported and Web Produced by: I-Team Updated: 03/05/04 17:35:08 THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE MISUSE OF FUNDS AT CINCINNATI'S LARGEST PARISH IS NOW WITH THE HAMILTON COUNTY PROSECUTOR. I-TEAM REPORTER LAURE QUINLIVAN HAS BEEN FOLLOWING THE ALLEGED MISUSE OF FUNDS AT GOOD SHEPHERD PARISH BY FORMER PASTOR REVEREND TOM AXE. LAURE WHAT'S THE LATEST? PROSECUTOR MIKE ALLEN MUST NOW DECIDE WHETHER TO PRESENT EVIDENCE TO A GRAND JURY. REVEREND TOM AXE IS A CLOSE PERSONAL FRIEND OF ARCHBISHOP DANIEL PILARCZYK, AND THE ARCHDIOCESE IS REFUSING COMMENT ON THIS CASE. FATHER AXE TOOK EARLY RETIREMENT IN NOVEMBER. IN HIS LAST TALK FROM THE PULPIT, HE TOLD PARISHONERS AN AUDIT FOUND SOME FUNDS IN A DISCRETIONARY ACCOUNT WENT FOR THE PASTOR'S PERSONAL BENEFIT. HE SAID A FULL AUDIT WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE SOON. FOUR MONTHS LATER, GOOD SHEPHERD PARISHONERS ARE STILL WAITING TO SEE THE AUDIT. PARISHONERS WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WAS TAKEN AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE. MONTGOMERY POLICE CHIEF KIRK NORDBLOOM BEGAN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IN DECEMBER. And about 20,000 other hits. You can certainly find corruption in all religions Harry. We are human and have potential moral weaknesses. I knew someone responsible for counting the collection plate basket and stole cash from it. Did this make my Church bad or evil? Yes, there are bad players in all religions. However, I do not think that the *Church* in general intestinally lies about their donations and budgets. |
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" *JimH*" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:44:22 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:20:48 -0800, jps wrote: In article , PocoLoco415 @hotmail.com says... On 11 Nov 2005 15:23:35 -0800, wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article .com, says... What an idiot!!!! Christians ruled by fear LONG before there were liberals!!! You right wing lunatics adopted any and all of their ideals. All Abrahamic religions include the hairy thunderer who would smote folks for any number of reasons. There are consequences. While I don't believe Jesus was the first true liberal, he certainly was a raging liberal. He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves. Gotcha! Matthew, Chapter 14 14:15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. 14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me. 14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to [his] disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. 14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full. 14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children. 14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. Do the conservatives have a special version of the story? One where the disciples come to Jesus saying "the people are hungry" and he replies, "Go then, and teach them how to fish!"? :-) Looks like he not only "handed out fish", but the bread course as well. :-) You missed the point: He didn't take up a collection from the disciples to pay for the fish! That's the point you want to make, post facto. The point was Jesus wasn't the one to who came up with "teach a man to fish." Sorta like Bush wanting to change his story every time the previous on didn't quite pan out. Jesus was into sharing. I'm sure he would have been into the rich taking care of the poor and having it happen voluntarily. However, I'm sure if he didn't see it happening voluntarily, he would not have simply turned his back on the poor. He would have found some reason the rich would see reason in redistributing wealth. "easier for a camel..." jps Key word - voluntarily. *If* you attended almost any church, you'd see just how much is *voluntarily* given to the poor. A lot of money is given voluntarily to churches, but that doesn't mean it is going to the poor. You, of course, track the budgets and expenditures of all churches. I should have known. That's right, John. Churches never lie about where the money is going, and Army recruiters never lie to those they are trying to induce into signing up. Everything is perfect in your world. Except: March 5: Missing Church Funds Reported and Web Produced by: I-Team Updated: 03/05/04 17:35:08 THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE MISUSE OF FUNDS AT CINCINNATI'S LARGEST PARISH IS NOW WITH THE HAMILTON COUNTY PROSECUTOR. I-TEAM REPORTER LAURE QUINLIVAN HAS BEEN FOLLOWING THE ALLEGED MISUSE OF FUNDS AT GOOD SHEPHERD PARISH BY FORMER PASTOR REVEREND TOM AXE. LAURE WHAT'S THE LATEST? PROSECUTOR MIKE ALLEN MUST NOW DECIDE WHETHER TO PRESENT EVIDENCE TO A GRAND JURY. REVEREND TOM AXE IS A CLOSE PERSONAL FRIEND OF ARCHBISHOP DANIEL PILARCZYK, AND THE ARCHDIOCESE IS REFUSING COMMENT ON THIS CASE. FATHER AXE TOOK EARLY RETIREMENT IN NOVEMBER. IN HIS LAST TALK FROM THE PULPIT, HE TOLD PARISHONERS AN AUDIT FOUND SOME FUNDS IN A DISCRETIONARY ACCOUNT WENT FOR THE PASTOR'S PERSONAL BENEFIT. HE SAID A FULL AUDIT WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE SOON. FOUR MONTHS LATER, GOOD SHEPHERD PARISHONERS ARE STILL WAITING TO SEE THE AUDIT. PARISHONERS WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WAS TAKEN AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE. MONTGOMERY POLICE CHIEF KIRK NORDBLOOM BEGAN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IN DECEMBER. And about 20,000 other hits. You can certainly find corruption in all religions Harry. We are human and have potential moral weaknesses. I knew someone responsible for counting the collection plate basket and stole cash from it. Did this make my Church bad or evil? Yes, there are bad players in all religions. However, I do not think that the *Church* in general intentionally lies about their donations and budgets. Edit: Sp Damn spell check |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:44:22 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:20:48 -0800, jps wrote: In article , PocoLoco415 @hotmail.com says... On 11 Nov 2005 15:23:35 -0800, wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article .com, says... What an idiot!!!! Christians ruled by fear LONG before there were liberals!!! You right wing lunatics adopted any and all of their ideals. All Abrahamic religions include the hairy thunderer who would smote folks for any number of reasons. There are consequences. While I don't believe Jesus was the first true liberal, he certainly was a raging liberal. He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves. Gotcha! Matthew, Chapter 14 14:15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. 14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me. 14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to [his] disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. 14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full. 14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children. 14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. Do the conservatives have a special version of the story? One where the disciples come to Jesus saying "the people are hungry" and he replies, "Go then, and teach them how to fish!"? :-) Looks like he not only "handed out fish", but the bread course as well. :-) You missed the point: He didn't take up a collection from the disciples to pay for the fish! That's the point you want to make, post facto. The point was Jesus wasn't the one to who came up with "teach a man to fish." Sorta like Bush wanting to change his story every time the previous on didn't quite pan out. Jesus was into sharing. I'm sure he would have been into the rich taking care of the poor and having it happen voluntarily. However, I'm sure if he didn't see it happening voluntarily, he would not have simply turned his back on the poor. He would have found some reason the rich would see reason in redistributing wealth. "easier for a camel..." jps Key word - voluntarily. *If* you attended almost any church, you'd see just how much is *voluntarily* given to the poor. A lot of money is given voluntarily to churches, but that doesn't mean it is going to the poor. You, of course, track the budgets and expenditures of all churches. I should have known. That's right, John. Churches never lie about where the money is going, and Army recruiters never lie to those they are trying to induce into signing up. Everything is perfect in your world. Except: March 5: Missing Church Funds Reported and Web Produced by: I-Team Updated: 03/05/04 17:35:08 THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE MISUSE OF FUNDS AT CINCINNATI'S LARGEST PARISH IS NOW WITH THE HAMILTON COUNTY PROSECUTOR. I-TEAM REPORTER LAURE QUINLIVAN HAS BEEN FOLLOWING THE ALLEGED MISUSE OF FUNDS AT GOOD SHEPHERD PARISH BY FORMER PASTOR REVEREND TOM AXE. LAURE WHAT'S THE LATEST? PROSECUTOR MIKE ALLEN MUST NOW DECIDE WHETHER TO PRESENT EVIDENCE TO A GRAND JURY. REVEREND TOM AXE IS A CLOSE PERSONAL FRIEND OF ARCHBISHOP DANIEL PILARCZYK, AND THE ARCHDIOCESE IS REFUSING COMMENT ON THIS CASE. FATHER AXE TOOK EARLY RETIREMENT IN NOVEMBER. IN HIS LAST TALK FROM THE PULPIT, HE TOLD PARISHONERS AN AUDIT FOUND SOME FUNDS IN A DISCRETIONARY ACCOUNT WENT FOR THE PASTOR'S PERSONAL BENEFIT. HE SAID A FULL AUDIT WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE SOON. FOUR MONTHS LATER, GOOD SHEPHERD PARISHONERS ARE STILL WAITING TO SEE THE AUDIT. PARISHONERS WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WAS TAKEN AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE. MONTGOMERY POLICE CHIEF KIRK NORDBLOOM BEGAN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IN DECEMBER. And about 20,000 other hits. You can certainly find corruption in all religions Harry. We are human and have potential moral weaknesses. I knew someone responsible for counting the collection plate basket and stole cash from it. Did this make my Church bad or evil? Yes, there are bad players in all religions. However, I do not think that the *Church* in general intestinally lies about their donations and budgets. That's not my point. My point was that without audited financials, one has no idea where that collected money is going. My house of worship publishes an annual financial report AND a quarterly balance sheet in its newsletter. So does my father-in-law's. Fair enough. I agree that the Church's books should be subject to audit. I did not know they weren't. |
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