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Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation took nearly two years, sent a reporter to jail, cost millions of dollars, and preoccupied some of the White House's senior officials. The fruit it has now borne is the five-count indictment of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the Vice President's Chief of Staff--not for leaking the name of Valerie Plame to Robert Novak, which started this entire "scandal," but for contradictions between his testimony and the testimony of two or three reporters about what he told them, when he told them, and what words he used. Mr. Fitzgerald would not comment yesterday on whether he had evidence for the perjury, obstruction of justice and false statement counts beyond the testimonies of Mr. Libby and three journalists. Instead, he noted that a criminal investigation into a "national security matter" of this sort hinged on "very fine distinctions," and that any attempt to obscure exactly who told what to whom and when was a serious matter. Let us stipulate that impeding a criminal investigation is indeed a serious matter; no one should feel he can lie to a grand jury or to federal investigators. But there is a question to be asked about the end to which the accused allegedly lied. The indictment itself contains no motive. And Mr. Libby is not alleged to have been the source for Robert Novak's July 14, 2003 column, in which Valerie Plame's employment with the CIA was revealed. Rather, according to the indictment, Mr. Libby did a little digging, found out who Joe Wilson's wife was, and apparently told Judith Miller of the New York Times, who never wrote it up, and Matthew Cooper of Time magazine, who put it into print after Mr. Novak's column had run. What's more, he allegedly did not talk to Tim Russert of NBC about it, although he claimed that he had. Mr. Libby then didn't tell a grand jury and the FBI the truth about what he told those reporters, the indictment claims. If this is a conspiracy to silence Administration critics, it was more daft than deft. The indictment itself contains no evidence of a conspiracy, and Mr. Libby has not been accused of trying to cover up some high crime or misdemeanor by the Bush Administration. The indictment amounts to an allegation that one official lied about what he knew about an underlying "crime" that wasn't committed. And we still don't know who did tell Mr. Novak--presumably, it was the soon-to-be-infamous "Official A" from paragraph 21 of the indictment, although we don't know whether Official A was Mr. Novak's primary source or merely a corroborating one. To the extent that the facts alleged in the indictment can be relied upon, the story goes something like this. Sometime in May 2003, or slightly before, Nicholas Kristof, a columnist for the New York Times, was informed of Joe Wilson's 2002 trip to Niger to investigate claims that Saddam Hussein had attempted to buy yellowcake there. Mr. Kristof wrote a column, and Mr. Libby began to ask around, to determine why a Democratic partisan had been sent on such a sensitive mission in the run-up to the Iraq war. He allegedly learned in the course of his inquiries that Mr. Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. Mr. Fitzgerald alleges that Mr. Libby informed Judith Miller of the New York Times about Mr. Wilson's wife in June, but she never wrote it up. In the meantime, Mr. Wilson went public with his own account of his mission and its outcome, without reference to his wife's employment or possible involvement in his trip. Mr. Libby also spoke to Mr. Cooper of Time about it, who did write it up, but only after Mr. Novak's column had run. In this same time period, he had a conversation with Mr. Russert, which may or may not have covered Mr. Wilson and his wife, depending on whom you believe. So, we are left with this. Did Mr. Libby offer the truth about Mr. Wilson to Mr. Cooper "without qualifications," as Mr. Fitzgerald alleges, or did he merely confirm what Mr. Cooper had heard elsewhere? Did he, or did he not, discuss Mr. Wilson with Tim Russert at all? On this much we can agree with Mr. Fitzgerald: These are "very fine distinctions" indeed, especially as they pertain to discussions that occurred two years ago, and whose importance only became clear well after the fact, when investigators came knocking. In a statement yesterday, Mr. Libby's counsel zeroed in on this point when he said, "We are quite distressed the Special Counsel has now sought to pursue alleged inconsistencies in Mr. Libby's recollection and those of others' and to charge such inconsistencies as false statements." He added that they "will defend vigorously against these charges." On the answers to these questions hang a possible 30-year jail term and $1.25 million in fines for a Bush Administration official who was merely attempting to expose the truth about Mr. Wilson, a critic of the Administration who was lying to the press about the nature of his involvement in the Niger mission and about the nature of the intelligence that it produced. In other words, Mr. Libby was defending Administration policy against political attack, not committing a crime. Mr. Fitzgerald has been dogged in pursuing his investigation, and he gave every appearance of being a reasonable and tough prosecutor in laying out the charges yesterday. But he has thrust himself into what was, at bottom, a policy dispute between an elected Administration and critics of the President's approach to the war on terror, who included parts of the permanent bureaucracy of the State Department and CIA. Unless Mr. Fitzgerald can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Libby was lying, and doing so for some nefarious purpose, this indictment looks like a case of criminalizing politics. http://www.opinionjournal.com/weeken.../?id=110007476 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A policy dispute indeed! One that culminated into treason committed by bureaucrats in State and the CIA who worked in concert to destabilize a President. |
OT--Charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed?
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:08:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Last I checked a bj wasn't a crime. bb |
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NOYB wrote:
A policy dispute indeed! One that culminated into treason committed by bureaucrats in State and the CIA who worked in concert to destabilize a President. And that is the way it is...treason by the Wilsons. They have done great damage to America. -- Skipper |
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bb wrote:
Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Last I checked a bj wasn't a crime. Many prostitutes wish it were so. -- Skipper |
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"bb" wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:08:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Last I checked a bj wasn't a crime. Precisely. So what were your thoughts about Clinton's impeachment? And how do they jive with your eagerness to see Libby burn for a non-crime? |
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jps wrote:
Skipper says... bb wrote: Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Last I checked a bj wasn't a crime. Many prostitutes wish it were so. That's right Snippy. Clearly, you've never had sex you haven't had to pay for. Last I heard Monica didn't charge, unlike your wife. Clearly? Now if that's an example of a Dem's cognitive skills, it's no wonder they're so screwed. -- Skipper |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote: NOYB wrote: A policy dispute indeed! One that culminated into treason committed by bureaucrats in State and the CIA who worked in concert to destabilize a President. And that is the way it is...treason by the Wilsons. They have done great damage to America. Treason, eh? You'd think one of the Bushsh*t administration's many prosecutors would be seeking indictments. You'da thunk someone with an advanced degree in English would be able to express themselves without cursing. One wonders if that was a prevarication also. -- Skipper |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote: bb wrote: Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Last I checked a bj wasn't a crime. Many prostitutes wish it were so. Especially after one of your visits, eh? Particularly when one is up for The Challenge. -- Skipper |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Libby is a really smart guy. If he lied, it was to cover up for his former boss, Dicqueless Cheney. You present as a very frustrated person, Krause. Did you short your Halliburton stock? -- Skipper |
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"jps" wrote in message ... In article et, says... Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Then why lie? I don't think the facts will bear out that he lied. His testimony may not square with the testimony of a few news reporters (Russert, Cooper, etc0 but that doesn't mean that his testimony is false. Finding out who lied is what the trial is about. Someone obviously isn't telling the truth...and it very well could be Russert and Cooper. (As a side note, Bush must be absolutely delighted that someone in his staff is getting raked over the coals as a result of speaking with the media. Bush hates leaks, and he can use this Libby incident as an example to warn other admin officials to shut up) So your next question is: why not charge Russert and Cooper? Because it's impractical at this point to charge two people whose stories match rather than one single entity whose story doesn't match the other two. Did you read the indictment? Here are the important excerpts: According to Libby: "Russert asked LIBBY if LIBBY knew that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, and told LIBBY that all the reporters knew it; and At the time of this conversation, LIBBY was surprised to hear that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA;" According to Russert: "Russert did not ask LIBBY if LIBBY knew that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, nor did he tell LIBBY that all the reporters knew it" (so why are we supposed to believe Libby over Russert? This is where perjury charge came from) Libby then repeated the same statement to the FBI that he made to the grand jury: During a conversation with Tim Russert of NBC News on July 10 or 11, 2003, Russert asked LIBBY if LIBBY was aware that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. LIBBY responded to Russert that he did not know that, and Russert replied that all the reporters knew it. LIBBY was surprised by this statement because, while speaking with Russert, LIBBY did not recall that he previously had learned about Wilson's wife's employment from the Vice President. (this is where the obstruction of justice charge came from. Notice that it uses the same Russert/Libby dispute about where the Plame info came from...and Libby stands by his story) Two days later, Libby spoke with Cooper. Once again, Libby stated that reporters were telling the administration that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, but LIBBY did not know if this was true. Or if he did, he states that he didn't confirm the story for Cooper. Cooper's testimony is : "LIBBY confirmed for Cooper, without qualification, that LIBBY had heard that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA" (So is Libby telling the truth or Cooper?) Even if Libby and Russert knew about Plame before they each spoke (which Libby disputes), Libby refused to confirm for Russert that he knew for sure that Plame was a CIA agent: " I didn't want him (Russert) to take anything I was saying as in any way confirming what he said, because at that point in time I did not recall that I had ever known, and I thought this is something that he was telling me that I was first learning. And so I said, no, I don't know that because I want to be very careful not to confirm it for him, so that he didn't take my statement as confirmation for him. Mr. Russert said to me, did you know that Ambassador Wilson's wife, or his wife, works at the CIA? And I said, no, I don't know that. And then he said, yeah - yes, all the reporters know it. And I said, again, I don't know that. I just wanted to be clear that I wasn't confirming anything for him on this." |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Try to find something you know and entertain us with that, eh? Certainly. Let's talk lobsta boats. -- Skipper |
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"jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "bb" wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:08:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Last I checked a bj wasn't a crime. Precisely. So what were your thoughts about Clinton's impeachment? And how do they jive with your eagerness to see Libby burn for a non-crime? Oh for ****'s sake Toothy! Clinton lied about an embarrassing bj. Libby lied about the outing of a CIA agent. Libby is *accused* of lying. It hasn't been proven that Libby lied. It easily could be Russert lying. Perhaps he heard Plame's name from people in the CIA (perhaps Wilson or Plame!) who were seeking to use the press to destabilize the Bush administration? Being the loyal liberal Democrat that he is, he went right to the VP's office to let the CIA-led set-up begin. That's the type of scenario that Jim Hoagland from the Washington Post presented when he wrote: "The hidden management of the criminal justice process AND THE NEWS MEDIA practiced by spooks in Wilson-Rove-Libbygate is nothing short of brilliant. So you (Bush) were right to fear the agency. Where else do you think the one-page crime report that triggered the investigation and then the pressure-building leaks disclosing its existence came from?"" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...202277_pf.html |
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"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "bb" wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:08:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Last I checked a bj wasn't a crime. Precisely. So what were your thoughts about Clinton's impeachment? And how do they jive with your eagerness to see Libby burn for a non-crime? Oh for ****'s sake Toothy! Clinton lied about an embarrassing bj. Libby lied about the outing of a CIA agent. Libby is *accused* of lying. It hasn't been proven that Libby lied. It easily could be Russert lying. Perhaps he heard Plame's name from people in the CIA (perhaps Wilson or Plame!) who were seeking to use the press to destabilize the Bush administration? Being the loyal liberal Democrat that he is, he went right to the VP's office to let the CIA-led set-up begin. That's the type of scenario that Jim Hoagland from the Washington Post presented when he wrote: "The hidden management of the criminal justice process AND THE NEWS MEDIA practiced by spooks in Wilson-Rove-Libbygate is nothing short of brilliant. So you (Bush) were right to fear the agency. Where else do you think the one-page crime report that triggered the investigation and then the pressure-building leaks disclosing its existence came from?"" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2/AR2005110202 277_pf.html And there was no "outing" of a CIA agent either. |
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says... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "bb" wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:08:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Last I checked a bj wasn't a crime. Precisely. So what were your thoughts about Clinton's impeachment? And how do they jive with your eagerness to see Libby burn for a non-crime? Oh for ****'s sake Toothy! Clinton lied about an embarrassing bj. Libby lied about the outing of a CIA agent. Libby is *accused* of lying. It hasn't been proven that Libby lied. It easily could be Russert lying. Perhaps he heard Plame's name from people in the CIA (perhaps Wilson or Plame!) who were seeking to use the press to destabilize the Bush administration? Being the loyal liberal Democrat that he is, he went right to the VP's office to let the CIA-led set-up begin. That's the type of scenario that Jim Hoagland from the Washington Post presented when he wrote: "The hidden management of the criminal justice process AND THE NEWS MEDIA practiced by spooks in Wilson-Rove-Libbygate is nothing short of brilliant. So you (Bush) were right to fear the agency. Where else do you think the one-page crime report that triggered the investigation and then the pressure-building leaks disclosing its existence came from?"" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2/AR2005110202 277_pf.html And there was no "outing" of a CIA agent either. You, again, prove what an uninformed pea brain you are. Valerie Plame was working in a company that was purposefully set up to provide cover for a handful of CIA agents. Her specialty was WMDs. Not only was her cover blown but the cover of all her associates in that company were blown. The outing ruined several people's careers. That's treasonous. Libby, Rove and Cheney should be keel hauled somewhere around where the Republicans were going to build the bridge to nowhere. During December. jps |
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"jps" wrote in message ... In article et, says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "bb" wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:08:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Last I checked a bj wasn't a crime. Precisely. So what were your thoughts about Clinton's impeachment? And how do they jive with your eagerness to see Libby burn for a non-crime? Oh for ****'s sake Toothy! Clinton lied about an embarrassing bj. Libby lied about the outing of a CIA agent. Libby is *accused* of lying. So, if there was no crime or misuse of power, why did Libby testify the way he did? Why would Libby say something that directly contradicts his own notes? Libby said something that blatantly contradicted Russert's testimony. One of them is lying about that conversation. The indictment suggests that it was Libby who lied...but the trial should show where the truth really lies. Libby said something that didn't square perfectly with Cooper's testimony, but it wasn't as blatant a difference as in the Russert testimony...and it could easily be excused as unreliable memory (from either party) as to what happened. Perjury isn't something that's taken lightly by federal prosecutors. No kidding. It got the 42nd President impeached. Would you tell a different story than what you know is in your own notes about the details being investigated? I didn't read that in the indictment. If you'd like to wait until after he's gone to trial to find out whether he did lie, so be it but don't bitch about the outcome beforehand. I'm not. I'm upset that he resigned his position beforehand. If found innocent, Cheney ought to reinstate him. If he's accused and not-guilty he'll get off. If he's convicted or plea bargains then we'll know he lied and I'll once again ask the question, Why would he lie? I don't know...particularly since it wasn't a crime. Why would Russert lie? Why would Wilson lie? They certainly have a better motive (ie--to destabilize a President whose public policy they disagreed with). |
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"jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... I don't think the facts will bear out that he lied. His testimony may not square with the testimony of a few news reporters (Russert, Cooper, etc0 but that doesn't mean that his testimony is false. His testimony doesn't square with his own notes, contemporaneously recorded when Cheney told him about Valerie Plame. He testified that Russert told him about Plame...not the other way around. He also testified that he told Russert that he didn't know it to be true or not. Did he lie to Russert? Perhaps. Did he lie to Fitzgerald? Maybe not. But is it a crime to lie to a news reporter? Especially a reporter who is fishing for a story by pretending to know the answer to the questions he's asking? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "jps" wrote in message ... In article et, says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "bb" wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:08:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Last I checked a bj wasn't a crime. Precisely. So what were your thoughts about Clinton's impeachment? And how do they jive with your eagerness to see Libby burn for a non-crime? Oh for ****'s sake Toothy! Clinton lied about an embarrassing bj. Libby lied about the outing of a CIA agent. Libby is *accused* of lying. So, if there was no crime or misuse of power, why did Libby testify the way he did? Why would Libby say something that directly contradicts his own notes? Libby said something that blatantly contradicted Russert's testimony. One of them is lying about that conversation. The indictment suggests that it was Libby who lied...but the trial should show where the truth really lies. Libby said something that didn't square perfectly with Cooper's testimony, but it wasn't as blatant a difference as in the Russert testimony...and it could easily be excused as unreliable memory (from either party) as to what happened. Yeah......try remembering the order and content of your conversations from a year ago......... Perjury isn't something that's taken lightly by federal prosecutors. No kidding. It got the 42nd President impeached. Would you tell a different story than what you know is in your own notes about the details being investigated? I didn't read that in the indictment. If you'd like to wait until after he's gone to trial to find out whether he did lie, so be it but don't bitch about the outcome beforehand. I'm not. I'm upset that he resigned his position beforehand. If found innocent, Cheney ought to reinstate him. He needed to resign in order to devote his time to fighting the charge..........he could not have handled his position while trying to defend himself. If he's accused and not-guilty he'll get off. If he's convicted or plea bargains then we'll know he lied and I'll once again ask the question, Why would he lie? I don't know...particularly since it wasn't a crime. Why would Russert lie? Why would Wilson lie? They certainly have a better motive (ie--to destabilize a President whose public policy they disagreed with). |
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"P Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "jps" wrote in message ... In article et, says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "bb" wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:08:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Last I checked a bj wasn't a crime. Precisely. So what were your thoughts about Clinton's impeachment? And how do they jive with your eagerness to see Libby burn for a non-crime? Oh for ****'s sake Toothy! Clinton lied about an embarrassing bj. Libby lied about the outing of a CIA agent. Libby is *accused* of lying. So, if there was no crime or misuse of power, why did Libby testify the way he did? Why would Libby say something that directly contradicts his own notes? Libby said something that blatantly contradicted Russert's testimony. One of them is lying about that conversation. The indictment suggests that it was Libby who lied...but the trial should show where the truth really lies. Libby said something that didn't square perfectly with Cooper's testimony, but it wasn't as blatant a difference as in the Russert testimony...and it could easily be excused as unreliable memory (from either party) as to what happened. Yeah......try remembering the order and content of your conversations from a year ago......... Perjury isn't something that's taken lightly by federal prosecutors. No kidding. It got the 42nd President impeached. Would you tell a different story than what you know is in your own notes about the details being investigated? I didn't read that in the indictment. If you'd like to wait until after he's gone to trial to find out whether he did lie, so be it but don't bitch about the outcome beforehand. I'm not. I'm upset that he resigned his position beforehand. If found innocent, Cheney ought to reinstate him. He needed to resign in order to devote his time to fighting the charge..........he could not have handled his position while trying to defend himself. Leon Panetta made this point very strongly last night on the News Hour with Jim Lehrer. He also went on to say that *anyone* in the Administratoin who gets indicted should resign their post until their name is cleared. Unfortunately, Lehrer missed this meatball lobbed right over the plate. A sharper host would have asked Leon why he didn't favor this strategy for *his* boss just 7 years ago? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "jps" wrote in message ... In article et, says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "bb" wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:08:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Last I checked a bj wasn't a crime. Precisely. So what were your thoughts about Clinton's impeachment? And how do they jive with your eagerness to see Libby burn for a non-crime? Oh for ****'s sake Toothy! Clinton lied about an embarrassing bj. Libby lied about the outing of a CIA agent. Libby is *accused* of lying. So, if there was no crime or misuse of power, why did Libby testify the way he did? Why would Libby say something that directly contradicts his own notes? Libby said something that blatantly contradicted Russert's testimony. One of them is lying about that conversation. The indictment suggests that it was Libby who lied...but the trial should show where the truth really lies. Libby said something that didn't square perfectly with Cooper's testimony, but it wasn't as blatant a difference as in the Russert testimony...and it could easily be excused as unreliable memory (from either party) as to what happened. Yeah......try remembering the order and content of your conversations from a year ago......... Perjury isn't something that's taken lightly by federal prosecutors. No kidding. It got the 42nd President impeached. Would you tell a different story than what you know is in your own notes about the details being investigated? I didn't read that in the indictment. If you'd like to wait until after he's gone to trial to find out whether he did lie, so be it but don't bitch about the outcome beforehand. I'm not. I'm upset that he resigned his position beforehand. If found innocent, Cheney ought to reinstate him. He needed to resign in order to devote his time to fighting the charge..........he could not have handled his position while trying to defend himself. Leon Panetta made this point very strongly last night on the News Hour with Jim Lehrer. He also went on to say that *anyone* in the Administratoin who gets indicted should resign their post until their name is cleared. Unfortunately, Lehrer missed this meatball lobbed right over the plate. A sharper host would have asked Leon why he didn't favor this strategy for *his* boss just 7 years ago? LMAO |
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"P Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "jps" wrote in message ... In article et, says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "bb" wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:08:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Last I checked a bj wasn't a crime. Precisely. So what were your thoughts about Clinton's impeachment? And how do they jive with your eagerness to see Libby burn for a non-crime? Oh for ****'s sake Toothy! Clinton lied about an embarrassing bj. Libby lied about the outing of a CIA agent. Libby is *accused* of lying. So, if there was no crime or misuse of power, why did Libby testify the way he did? Why would Libby say something that directly contradicts his own notes? Libby said something that blatantly contradicted Russert's testimony. One of them is lying about that conversation. The indictment suggests that it was Libby who lied...but the trial should show where the truth really lies. Libby said something that didn't square perfectly with Cooper's testimony, but it wasn't as blatant a difference as in the Russert testimony...and it could easily be excused as unreliable memory (from either party) as to what happened. Yeah......try remembering the order and content of your conversations from a year ago......... Perjury isn't something that's taken lightly by federal prosecutors. No kidding. It got the 42nd President impeached. Would you tell a different story than what you know is in your own notes about the details being investigated? I didn't read that in the indictment. If you'd like to wait until after he's gone to trial to find out whether he did lie, so be it but don't bitch about the outcome beforehand. I'm not. I'm upset that he resigned his position beforehand. If found innocent, Cheney ought to reinstate him. He needed to resign in order to devote his time to fighting the charge..........he could not have handled his position while trying to defend himself. Leon Panetta made this point very strongly last night on the News Hour with Jim Lehrer. He also went on to say that *anyone* in the Administratoin who gets indicted should resign their post until their name is cleared. Unfortunately, Lehrer missed this meatball lobbed right over the plate. A sharper host would have asked Leon why he didn't favor this strategy for *his* boss just 7 years ago? LMAO I thought it was funny too...so I replayed it and hit "save" on my DVR. |
OT--Charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed?
"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "jps" wrote in message ... In article et, says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "bb" wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:08:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Last I checked a bj wasn't a crime. Precisely. So what were your thoughts about Clinton's impeachment? And how do they jive with your eagerness to see Libby burn for a non-crime? Oh for ****'s sake Toothy! Clinton lied about an embarrassing bj. Libby lied about the outing of a CIA agent. Libby is *accused* of lying. So, if there was no crime or misuse of power, why did Libby testify the way he did? Why would Libby say something that directly contradicts his own notes? Libby said something that blatantly contradicted Russert's testimony. One of them is lying about that conversation. The indictment suggests that it was Libby who lied...but the trial should show where the truth really lies. Libby said something that didn't square perfectly with Cooper's testimony, but it wasn't as blatant a difference as in the Russert testimony...and it could easily be excused as unreliable memory (from either party) as to what happened. Yeah......try remembering the order and content of your conversations from a year ago......... Perjury isn't something that's taken lightly by federal prosecutors. No kidding. It got the 42nd President impeached. Would you tell a different story than what you know is in your own notes about the details being investigated? I didn't read that in the indictment. If you'd like to wait until after he's gone to trial to find out whether he did lie, so be it but don't bitch about the outcome beforehand. I'm not. I'm upset that he resigned his position beforehand. If found innocent, Cheney ought to reinstate him. He needed to resign in order to devote his time to fighting the charge..........he could not have handled his position while trying to defend himself. Leon Panetta made this point very strongly last night on the News Hour with Jim Lehrer. He also went on to say that *anyone* in the Administratoin who gets indicted should resign their post until their name is cleared. Unfortunately, Lehrer missed this meatball lobbed right over the plate. A sharper host would have asked Leon why he didn't favor this strategy for *his* boss just 7 years ago? LMAO I thought it was funny too...so I replayed it and hit "save" on my DVR. Speaking of DVR's...........how do you like yours? Do you have to subscribe to TiVo? |
OT--Charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed?
" *JimH*" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "jps" wrote in message ... In article et, says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "bb" wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:08:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Last I checked a bj wasn't a crime. Precisely. So what were your thoughts about Clinton's impeachment? And how do they jive with your eagerness to see Libby burn for a non-crime? Oh for ****'s sake Toothy! Clinton lied about an embarrassing bj. Libby lied about the outing of a CIA agent. Libby is *accused* of lying. So, if there was no crime or misuse of power, why did Libby testify the way he did? Why would Libby say something that directly contradicts his own notes? Libby said something that blatantly contradicted Russert's testimony. One of them is lying about that conversation. The indictment suggests that it was Libby who lied...but the trial should show where the truth really lies. Libby said something that didn't square perfectly with Cooper's testimony, but it wasn't as blatant a difference as in the Russert testimony...and it could easily be excused as unreliable memory (from either party) as to what happened. Yeah......try remembering the order and content of your conversations from a year ago......... Perjury isn't something that's taken lightly by federal prosecutors. No kidding. It got the 42nd President impeached. Would you tell a different story than what you know is in your own notes about the details being investigated? I didn't read that in the indictment. If you'd like to wait until after he's gone to trial to find out whether he did lie, so be it but don't bitch about the outcome beforehand. I'm not. I'm upset that he resigned his position beforehand. If found innocent, Cheney ought to reinstate him. He needed to resign in order to devote his time to fighting the charge..........he could not have handled his position while trying to defend himself. Leon Panetta made this point very strongly last night on the News Hour with Jim Lehrer. He also went on to say that *anyone* in the Administratoin who gets indicted should resign their post until their name is cleared. Unfortunately, Lehrer missed this meatball lobbed right over the plate. A sharper host would have asked Leon why he didn't favor this strategy for *his* boss just 7 years ago? LMAO I thought it was funny too...so I replayed it and hit "save" on my DVR. Speaking of DVR's...........how do you like yours? Do you have to subscribe to TiVo? I like it. It's part of my Dish Network satellite receiver. |
OT--Charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed?
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OT--Charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed?
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:23:36 -0800, jps wrote:
In article , says... NOYB wrote: A policy dispute indeed! One that culminated into treason committed by bureaucrats in State and the CIA who worked in concert to destabilize a President. And that is the way it is...treason by the Wilsons. They have done great damage to America. You are an anti-american scum. If anyone in Clinton's administration had outed a CIA agent, you'd have called for their head on pike pole and the outed CIA agent would have received the congressional medal of honor, a concert played for them at the Kennedy Center featuring the marches of John Phillips Souza and a lifetime supply of 24 hour security. You're ****ing insane Snippy. jps Anyone in the Clinton administration outing a CIA agent would deserve all you suggest. The same is true for anyone in the Bush administration. No one in either administration has been shown to have done so. So, why are you calling names? -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" HK |
OT--Charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed?
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:13:39 -0800, jps wrote:
In article et, says... Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Then why lie? If Scooter had nothing to hide, why lie? TO A GRAND JURY??? Was Scooter asleep during Clinton's second term? Clinton didn't commit a crime. He certainly was guilty of indiscretion but philandering isn't a crime. Were you unhappy when he was prosecuted for lying under oath? jps Has anyone proven yet that Libby lied? -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" HK |
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OT--Charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed?
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:00:53 -0800, jps wrote:
In article , says... Yeah......try remembering the order and content of your conversations from a year ago......... Pinhead, He had copies of notes that he turned over. Don't you think he was smart enough to have a look at them before testifying? Either he didn't think the investigators were smart enough to find the evidence in his notes or he was purposefully lying to protect his boss. Either way, the cocksucker lied. In your book, that means he's a liberal, right? jps Now you're throwing 'cocksucker' into the fray. My gosh, what do you guys do with each other? -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" HK |
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OT--Charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed?
"jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... Leon Panetta made this point very strongly last night on the News Hour with Jim Lehrer. He also went on to say that *anyone* in the Administratoin who gets indicted should resign their post until their name is cleared. Unfortunately, Lehrer missed this meatball lobbed right over the plate. A sharper host would have asked Leon why he didn't favor this strategy for *his* boss just 7 years ago? Lehrer is above that, which is why he's the anchor and you drill stanky teeth. I disagree with Panetta and haven't the slightest idea why anyone who hasn't been convicted, much less indicted, should give up his post. The matter of resignation should be between themselves and their bosses. I'm sure Panetta felt that way 7 years ago. He's only 67, so it can't be that he's getting old and losing his memory. When I heard him say it, I thought to myself "what a hypocrite!". But I agree with you on this for the most part. |
OT--Charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed?
In article , PocoLoco415
@hotmail.com says... On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:00:53 -0800, jps wrote: In article , says... Yeah......try remembering the order and content of your conversations from a year ago......... Pinhead, He had copies of notes that he turned over. Don't you think he was smart enough to have a look at them before testifying? Either he didn't think the investigators were smart enough to find the evidence in his notes or he was purposefully lying to protect his boss. Either way, the cocksucker lied. In your book, that means he's a liberal, right? jps Now you're throwing 'cocksucker' into the fray. My gosh, what do you guys do with each other? It's a Deadwood thing. Ever watch it? Brilliant writing. Lots of cussing. Favorite word around town is cocksucker. If you haven't seen it, the first and second seasons are out on DVD. Incredibly well done with a great cast. jps |
OT--Charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed?
In article , PocoLoco415
@hotmail.com says... On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:23:36 -0800, jps wrote: In article , says... NOYB wrote: A policy dispute indeed! One that culminated into treason committed by bureaucrats in State and the CIA who worked in concert to destabilize a President. And that is the way it is...treason by the Wilsons. They have done great damage to America. You are an anti-american scum. If anyone in Clinton's administration had outed a CIA agent, you'd have called for their head on pike pole and the outed CIA agent would have received the congressional medal of honor, a concert played for them at the Kennedy Center featuring the marches of John Phillips Souza and a lifetime supply of 24 hour security. You're ****ing insane Snippy. jps Anyone in the Clinton administration outing a CIA agent would deserve all you suggest. The same is true for anyone in the Bush administration. No one in either administration has been shown to have done so. So, why are you calling names? My rectal sphincter tightens when Snippy makes his outlandish claims that he just read on his fave White Power website. jps |
OT--Charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed?
In article , PocoLoco415
@hotmail.com says... On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:13:39 -0800, jps wrote: In article et, says... Obstruction for What? Libby is charged with lying about a crime that wasn't committed. Then why lie? If Scooter had nothing to hide, why lie? TO A GRAND JURY??? Was Scooter asleep during Clinton's second term? Clinton didn't commit a crime. He certainly was guilty of indiscretion but philandering isn't a crime. Were you unhappy when he was prosecuted for lying under oath? jps Has anyone proven yet that Libby lied? It's pretty clear from what Fitzgerald has said. His testimony directly conflicts with his contemporaneous notes about Cheney informing him of Plame. It's pretty obvious he was protecting something or someone. jps |
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