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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:36:44 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
This is a Canadian car in fact - built in Canada. Because of sitting over the past couple of years, the brakes needed repair, so I started on the project around 9 this morning. I would just like to point out to my Canadian friends, that it's leftie loosey, righty tighty. Not leftie tighty, righty loosie. ~~ mutter ~~ Wait til ya find the Robertson screws! ;) Lloyd |
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"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:36:44 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: This is a Canadian car in fact - built in Canada. Because of sitting over the past couple of years, the brakes needed repair, so I started on the project around 9 this morning. I would just like to point out to my Canadian friends, that it's leftie loosey, righty tighty. Not leftie tighty, righty loosie. ~~ mutter ~~ Wait til ya find the Robertson screws! ;) Lloyd The Robertson Screw has to be one of the finest inventions.....ever!!! Jim |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:37:24 -0500, "Jim Carter" wrote: Robertson Screw Sucks. So Robertson doesn't really *screw* then......just sucks? ;-) |
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:37:24 -0500, "Jim Carter" wrote: Robertson Screw Sucks. Bulls*it! Robertson is much superior to slot or Phillips. Torex might come close, or of course Allan/Hex Key. |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:37:24 -0500, "Jim Carter" wrote: Robertson Screw Sucks. Now you get square drive in Deck Screws. |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:37:24 -0500, Jim Carter wrote:
"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:36:44 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: This is a Canadian car in fact - built in Canada. Because of sitting over the past couple of years, the brakes needed repair, so I started on the project around 9 this morning. I would just like to point out to my Canadian friends, that it's leftie loosey, righty tighty. Not leftie tighty, righty loosie. ~~ mutter ~~ Wait til ya find the Robertson screws! ;) Lloyd The Robertson Screw has to be one of the finest inventions.....ever!!! Jim Yup, if for only the Comic Releif of watching an American trying EVERY screwdriver in his toolbox to get it out! :) But I agree: colour-coded sizes, NEVER strips, and you actually CAN hold a screw in the screwdriver to get it to where you want it. Lloyd |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Torx I can understand - there's more surface area to grab hold of and you get a damn good set with torx plus you never wear the damn bits out. And a proper phillips will set a wood scew if you use the proper size bit and you never have to worry about the damn things wearing out. With the Robertson screw, the damn heads of the bits round off at the corners when you are doing a lot of screws like a deck for example and you go through bits like water. Plus the damn things twist once they wear and slip like a bitch - I damn near drove a bit through the palm of my hand once because of that crappy design. Robertson screws suck. You must have been using a cheap screwdriver and screws or you were using the wrong size bit. With the proper Robertson screws for the deck, and with a proper hardened tip screwdriver, you could do a couple of hundred decks with no problem. A proper Robertson has a tapered bit to fit the screw tightly. Jim |
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Bill McKee wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:37:24 -0500, "Jim Carter" wrote: Robertson Screw Sucks. Now you get square drive in Deck Screws. Not square drive...it's 'Robertson'...another quality Canadian invention. |
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Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
snip But I agree: colour-coded sizes, NEVER strips, and you actually CAN hold a screw in the screwdriver to get it to where you want it. Lloyd I wouldn't say 'never strips'. This afternoon, I loosened one that was partially stripped by my corded Craftsman Professional drill/driver. I was able to re-use it but the bit spun some in the slot. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:37:24 -0500, "Jim Carter" wrote: Robertson Screw Sucks. Now you get square drive in Deck Screws. Not square drive...it's 'Robertson'...another quality Canadian invention. Oh yeah.........well..........umm.......errrrr....... ...well my little sister can kick your sister's ass............so there. ;-) |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Lloyd Sumpter wrote: snip But I agree: colour-coded sizes, NEVER strips, and you actually CAN hold a screw in the screwdriver to get it to where you want it. Lloyd I wouldn't say 'never strips'. This afternoon, I loosened one that was partially stripped by my corded Craftsman Professional drill/driver. I was able to re-use it but the bit spun some in the slot. Now if you want a real debate..........let's talk about the crappy quality of Craftsman electric tools. Give me a DeWalt any day. ;-) |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:39:23 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Lloyd Sumpter wrote: snip But I agree: colour-coded sizes, NEVER strips, and you actually CAN hold a screw in the screwdriver to get it to where you want it. Lloyd I wouldn't say 'never strips'. This afternoon, I loosened one that was partially stripped by my corded Craftsman Professional drill/driver. I was able to re-use it but the bit spun some in the slot. Now if you want a real debate..........let's talk about the crappy quality of Craftsman electric tools. Give me a DeWalt any day. ;-) If I told you that Craftsman electric hand tools were made by DeWalt, would that make a difference? :) No. Not all are made by DeWalt nor are they made to DeWalt standards. I have several dead 12v Craftsman Drills that can attest to that. ;-) |
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*JimH* wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... Lloyd Sumpter wrote: snip But I agree: colour-coded sizes, NEVER strips, and you actually CAN hold a screw in the screwdriver to get it to where you want it. Lloyd I wouldn't say 'never strips'. This afternoon, I loosened one that was partially stripped by my corded Craftsman Professional drill/driver. I was able to re-use it but the bit spun some in the slot. Now if you want a real debate..........let's talk about the crappy quality of Craftsman electric tools. Give me a DeWalt any day. ;-) Makita is popular around here. DeWalt have been pretty good for a while. Now that we have 'Home Depot' we see more Milwaukee & Porter cable tools, and Bosch is just too darn expensive. |
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:39:23 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Lloyd Sumpter wrote: snip But I agree: colour-coded sizes, NEVER strips, and you actually CAN hold a screw in the screwdriver to get it to where you want it. Lloyd I wouldn't say 'never strips'. This afternoon, I loosened one that was partially stripped by my corded Craftsman Professional drill/driver. I was able to re-use it but the bit spun some in the slot. Now if you want a real debate..........let's talk about the crappy quality of Craftsman electric tools. Give me a DeWalt any day. ;-) If I told you that Craftsman electric hand tools were made by DeWalt, would that make a difference? :) Most of them compare more to Black & Decker. The only Craftsman tool I would consider now is the top of the line model (Professional) and only if on sale. Last year or so I purchased a 1/2" hammer drill, electric hand planer and a new 7&1/4" circular saw to replace a 30 year old one...all Makita, the tools feel good, work well & come with nice cases. Note: I also get them on sale locally. |
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Don White wrote:
Makita is popular around here. DeWalt have been pretty good for a while. Now that we have 'Home Depot' we see more Milwaukee & Porter cable tools, and Bosch is just too darn expensive. Porter-Cable too expensive? What kind of R/O sander do you use on your boat's bottom? -- Skipper |
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Don White wrote:
The only Craftsman tool I would consider now is the top of the line model (Professional) and only if on sale. And you might want to reconsider that in light of Sears' new warrantee policy. They are out "to catch up with the industry" when it comes to returns. Their old return policies are gone for now...now, if it breaks, "tough titty", unless you *buy* their extended warrantee. Most other reputable retailers have FAR better return policies than Sears now. Sears should be off all shoppers lists this christmas season. -- Skipper |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: Makita is popular around here. DeWalt have been pretty good for a while. Now that we have 'Home Depot' we see more Milwaukee & Porter cable tools, and Bosch is just too darn expensive. Porter-Cable too expensive? What kind of R/O sander do you use on your boat's bottom? PC 333 damn thing is great! |
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Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote: Makita is popular around here. DeWalt have been pretty good for a while. Now that we have 'Home Depot' we see more Milwaukee & Porter cable tools, and Bosch is just too darn expensive. Porter-Cable too expensive? What kind of R/O sander do you use on your boat's bottom? -- Skipper Said Bosch is too expensive, not Porter Cable. I keep my Sandpiper on it's trailer...so far no need to sand bottom, I just wash it clean. |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:39:23 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Lloyd Sumpter wrote: snip But I agree: colour-coded sizes, NEVER strips, and you actually CAN hold a screw in the screwdriver to get it to where you want it. Lloyd I wouldn't say 'never strips'. This afternoon, I loosened one that was partially stripped by my corded Craftsman Professional drill/driver. I was able to re-use it but the bit spun some in the slot. Now if you want a real debate..........let's talk about the crappy quality of Craftsman electric tools. Give me a DeWalt any day. ;-) If I told you that Craftsman electric hand tools were made by DeWalt, would that make a difference? :) Nope. they also make Black and Decker. Different quality, different price point. I bought a Craftsman's 18V drill for the jacks on my camper. Came with 2 batteries and a light. Takes 2 batteries to take the camper off the truck as the batteries are light duty, and the drill is a wimp. Plus the collet chuck is the worst I have ever seen for staying tight. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:37:24 -0500, "Jim Carter" wrote: Robertson Screw Sucks. Now you get square drive in Deck Screws. Not square drive...it's 'Robertson'...another quality Canadian invention. I said they come in square drive, did not say they were good. Have had too many bits go bad to really like them. Deckmate has a modified Phillips that is the best of the non-torx drives. |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:33:32 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
I believe, and I am more than willing to be corrected, that Craftsman power hand tools were built by Stanley which is defacto DeWalt. I think I read that In Business Week a while back. I'm not sure about that, but DeWalt is owned by Black & Decker. http://www.fortune.com/fortune/print...119285,00.html |
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:52:16 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:33:27 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: A proper Robertson has a tapered bit to fit the screw tightly. Horse feathers. AHHHHHHHHHHHGHHGHGHGHGHHHHHH...... (primal scream).... OK, so I'm fixing the deck today and I got a box of these GD SS screws. $14/lb..... and I must have stripped out the heads of 6-7 already.... POS..... gimme Torx or SOMETHING..... Are you predrilling your holes? I never put a stainless (or any other) screw into anything but soft pine without predrilling. Saves a lot of stripped screws and aggravation. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" Hypocrital Liberal |
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John H. wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:52:16 GMT, Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:33:27 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: A proper Robertson has a tapered bit to fit the screw tightly. Horse feathers. AHHHHHHHHHHHGHHGHGHGHGHHHHHH...... (primal scream).... OK, so I'm fixing the deck today and I got a box of these GD SS screws. $14/lb..... and I must have stripped out the heads of 6-7 already.... POS..... gimme Torx or SOMETHING..... Are you predrilling your holes? I never put a stainless (or any other) screw into anything but soft pine without predrilling. Saves a lot of stripped screws and aggravation. Those green, big coarse threaded 'deck screws' don't usually need a pilot hole drilled. (in spruce) |
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:19:00 GMT, Don White wrote:
John H. wrote: On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:52:16 GMT, Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:33:27 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: A proper Robertson has a tapered bit to fit the screw tightly. Horse feathers. AHHHHHHHHHHHGHHGHGHGHGHHHHHH...... (primal scream).... OK, so I'm fixing the deck today and I got a box of these GD SS screws. $14/lb..... and I must have stripped out the heads of 6-7 already.... POS..... gimme Torx or SOMETHING..... Are you predrilling your holes? I never put a stainless (or any other) screw into anything but soft pine without predrilling. Saves a lot of stripped screws and aggravation. Those green, big coarse threaded 'deck screws' don't usually need a pilot hole drilled. (in spruce) Well, he's stripping something. Not sure what it is. Pre-drilling has always solved my screw stripping problems - in anything. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" Hypocrital Liberal |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:33:27 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: A proper Robertson has a tapered bit to fit the screw tightly. Horse feathers. AHHHHHHHHHHHGHHGHGHGHGHHHHHH...... (primal scream).... OK, so I'm fixing the deck today and I got a box of these GD SS screws. $14/lb..... and I must have stripped out the heads of 6-7 already.... POS..... gimme Torx or SOMETHING..... Real nuts and bolts have six sides. Real socket wrenches only have six internal sides. |
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Bert Robbins wrote:
Real nuts and bolts have six sides. Real socket wrenches only have six internal sides. What?.. better sets come with sockets in both 6 and 12 point configuration. I believe there's also an 8 point socket for square nuts. I know this...I've been looking at Snap-On Tools (too expensive), Craftsman from Sears, and Mastercraft sets from Canadian Tire. Yesterday, the wife bought me a nice Craftsman set on a half price sale but I have to wait until Christmas. |
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Don White wrote:
John H. wrote: On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:52:16 GMT, Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:33:27 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: A proper Robertson has a tapered bit to fit the screw tightly. Horse feathers. AHHHHHHHHHHHGHHGHGHGHGHHHHHH...... (primal scream).... OK, so I'm fixing the deck today and I got a box of these GD SS screws. $14/lb..... and I must have stripped out the heads of 6-7 already.... you have obviously damaged your screwdriver bit. Robertson is "THE BEST", so long as they are genuine, not cheap knock offs. Robertsons are patented for a reason. Terry K POS..... gimme Torx or SOMETHING..... Are you predrilling your holes? I never put a stainless (or any other) screw into anything but soft pine without predrilling. Saves a lot of stripped screws and aggravation. Those green, big coarse threaded 'deck screws' don't usually need a pilot hole drilled. (in spruce) |
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:52:16 +0000, Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:33:27 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: A proper Robertson has a tapered bit to fit the screw tightly. Horse feathers. AHHHHHHHHHHHGHHGHGHGHGHHHHHH...... (primal scream).... OK, so I'm fixing the deck today and I got a box of these GD SS screws. $14/lb..... and I must have stripped out the heads of 6-7 already.... POS..... gimme Torx or SOMETHING..... You know, I can't remember EVER stripping a Robertson screw. Maybe you should have spent the $14 on a decent screwdriver? Lloyd |
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"Lloyd" wrote in message ... On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:52:16 +0000, Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:33:27 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: A proper Robertson has a tapered bit to fit the screw tightly. Horse feathers. AHHHHHHHHHHHGHHGHGHGHGHHHHHH...... (primal scream).... OK, so I'm fixing the deck today and I got a box of these GD SS screws. $14/lb..... and I must have stripped out the heads of 6-7 already.... POS..... gimme Torx or SOMETHING..... You know, I can't remember EVER stripping a Robertson screw. Maybe you should have spent the $14 on a decent screwdriver? Lloyd The Robertson deck screws come with a driver bit. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Lloyd" wrote in message ... On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:52:16 +0000, Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:33:27 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: A proper Robertson has a tapered bit to fit the screw tightly. Horse feathers. AHHHHHHHHHHHGHHGHGHGHGHHHHHH...... (primal scream).... OK, so I'm fixing the deck today and I got a box of these GD SS screws. $14/lb..... and I must have stripped out the heads of 6-7 already.... POS..... gimme Torx or SOMETHING..... You know, I can't remember EVER stripping a Robertson screw. Maybe you should have spent the $14 on a decent screwdriver? Lloyd The Robertson deck screws come with a driver bit. I found that the square 'slot' in SS decks stripped out much easier than a philips head. |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 11:54:33 -0800, Lloyd wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:52:16 +0000, Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:33:27 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: A proper Robertson has a tapered bit to fit the screw tightly. Horse feathers. AHHHHHHHHHHHGHHGHGHGHGHHHHHH...... (primal scream).... OK, so I'm fixing the deck today and I got a box of these GD SS screws. $14/lb..... and I must have stripped out the heads of 6-7 already.... POS..... gimme Torx or SOMETHING..... You know, I can't remember EVER stripping a Robertson screw. Maybe you should have spent the $14 on a decent screwdriver? Lloyd I've never done so either. I'm wondering if maybe he was using the small size bit on the large size screw. I *have* tried that, before I realized there were two sizes! But he seems to have his act together, so I didn't suggest that. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" Hypocrital Liberal |
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Lloyd wrote:
You know, I can't remember EVER stripping a Robertson screw. Been meaning to ask you, Lioyd, how is your new discussion bored going? -- Skipper |
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John H. wrote:
I've never done so either. I'm wondering if maybe he was using the small size bit on the large size screw. I *have* tried that, before I realized there were two sizes! But he seems to have his act together, so I didn't suggest that. Two sizes??? I have 4 different size Robertson screwdrivers. http://www.waterlooelectronics.com/s...s_special.html My smallest is size 0 yellow handle next size 1 green handle " size 2 red handle usually for # 8 screws " size 3 black handle " for # 12 screws http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.c...es&Params=A219 |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:22:41 GMT, Don White wrote:
John H. wrote: I've never done so either. I'm wondering if maybe he was using the small size bit on the large size screw. I *have* tried that, before I realized there were two sizes! But he seems to have his act together, so I didn't suggest that. Two sizes??? I have 4 different size Robertson screwdrivers. http://www.waterlooelectronics.com/s...s_special.html My smallest is size 0 yellow handle next size 1 green handle " size 2 red handle usually for # 8 screws " size 3 black handle " for # 12 screws http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.c...es&Params=A219 I've only seen two sizes of slots. But I haven't looked for different sizes. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" Hypocrital Liberal |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:21:12 -0500, John H. wrote: I've never done so either. I'm wondering if maybe he was using the small size bit on the large size screw. I *have* tried that, before I realized there were two sizes! But he seems to have his act together, so I didn't suggest that. Thanks for you confidence.... actually, there are three in common usage. My screwdriver is a 3/8" Milwaukee drill and the bit is a standard (#2) short insert. Essentially, the problem is that the stainless is likely a 300 grade and rather soft. The Robertson head has only four gripping sides. It is not an accident that most bolts have 6 (not 4) sides.... ditto the fact that many heavy duty fasteners have 12 sides... I never had this problem with the Phillips deck screws that were available during my last go at decking.... AND I could use my *real* screwgun.... not a drill. You have a 'real' screwgun? i almost got one for my birthday in August but couldn't decide if I'd use it enough. I have the Craftsman 'Professional' corded drill/driver with clutch. |
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"P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Lloyd" wrote in message ... On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:52:16 +0000, Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:33:27 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: A proper Robertson has a tapered bit to fit the screw tightly. Horse feathers. AHHHHHHHHHHHGHHGHGHGHGHHHHHH...... (primal scream).... OK, so I'm fixing the deck today and I got a box of these GD SS screws. $14/lb..... and I must have stripped out the heads of 6-7 already.... POS..... gimme Torx or SOMETHING..... You know, I can't remember EVER stripping a Robertson screw. Maybe you should have spent the $14 on a decent screwdriver? Lloyd The Robertson deck screws come with a driver bit. I found that the square 'slot' in SS decks stripped out much easier than a philips head. Depends on the Philips. The Deck Mates brand have a modified Philips, not a #2. Rarely strip. Griptite's have a Philip's #2 and they strip all the time if using a long 2.5 -3" screw in anything but the softest wood. |
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Not that I know anything, but if you are stripping out screws, maybe you
need to pre-drill the holes? Just my $0.02 worth (Canadian currency of course). Glenn. s/v Seawing www.seawing.net "Skipper" wrote in message ... Lloyd wrote: You know, I can't remember EVER stripping a Robertson screw. Been meaning to ask you, Lioyd, how is your new discussion bored going? -- Skipper |
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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 04:52:02 GMT, "Glenn A. Heslop"
wrote: Not that I know anything, but if you are stripping out screws, maybe you need to pre-drill the holes? Just my $0.02 worth (Canadian currency of course). Glenn. s/v Seawing www.seawing.net That was my thought at the beginning, but he didn't buy that idea. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 04:52:02 GMT, "Glenn A. Heslop" wrote: Not that I know anything, but if you are stripping out screws, maybe you need to pre-drill the holes? Just my $0.02 worth (Canadian currency of course). Glenn. s/v Seawing www.seawing.net That was my thought at the beginning, but he didn't buy that idea. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes Too much extra work, when you can get a screw that will drive without predrilling. Looking to replace my 30 year old redwood deck with Trex later this year. Looking at the Torx drive screws for the composite deck. |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:15:40 -0600, Skipper wrote:
Lloyd wrote: You know, I can't remember EVER stripping a Robertson screw. Been meaning to ask you, Lioyd, how is your new discussion bored going? Kind of a hijack of the thread, but what the hell... It's going pretty good, thanks for asking. 66 members and 289 posts so far. My only job as Moderator has been to slap the wrists of someone who was getting a bit over-zealous against Americans in their marinas. Lloyd Sumpter http://www.bcboatnet.org |
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