But what do we see when we look over the pond?
A country that rapidly alters from a dependable big brother with whom
one could achieve rational solutions into an irrational schizophrene
brother that more and more becomes a helpless
part of the problem and in time may need to be isolated in a
straightjacket.


Could it be because Europe is changing more then the U.S.? When euthenesia
is legal, quality of manufacturing is worse than ever, and strikes bring
down countries to stand still? Lets not even talk about the racism that is
on the rise, and anti-semitism is reaching pre wwii levels. England will put
you in jail for defending yourself against criminals in your own homes! Talk
about a legal system on its head.

I was born in Poland myself, and lived in Norway for a while. I will tell
you I would rather live in the U.S. then anywhere else. The kindness of
people, opportunities, and openess is amazing.

Dan,
The interesting thing about the gentleman's comments, is not the reality of
the situation, but the perception of reality.

His assessment of the US is a very common viewpoint in Europe.


"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

But what do we see when we look over the pond?
A country that rapidly alters from a dependable big brother with whom
one could achieve rational solutions into an irrational schizophrene
brother that more and more becomes a helpless
part of the problem and in time may need to be isolated in a
straightjacket.


Could it be because Europe is changing more then the U.S.? When euthenesia
is legal, quality of manufacturing is worse than ever, and strikes bring
down countries to stand still? Lets not even talk about the racism that
is on the rise, and anti-semitism is reaching pre wwii levels. England
will put you in jail for defending yourself against criminals in your own
homes! Talk about a legal system on its head.

I was born in Poland myself, and lived in Norway for a while. I will tell
you I would rather live in the U.S. then anywhere else. The kindness of
people, opportunities, and openess is amazing.

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:58:39 -0500, "Dan J.S." wrote:

Could it be because Europe is changing more then the U.S.? When euthenesia
is legal, quality of manufacturing is worse than ever, and strikes bring
down countries to stand still? Lets not even talk about the racism that is
on the rise, and anti-semitism is reaching pre wwii levels. England will put
you in jail for defending yourself against criminals in your own homes! Talk
about a legal system on its head.

I am proud we dutch have had the guts to *regulate* euthanasia.
I hope you won't be hit by lungcancer and in the end when you're
almost suffocate your eventual question for a mercyful and dignified
end won't be denied. And when you trust some doctor can be persuaded
to help you then that is right on the spot the subject that should be
dealt with legally.

When you are against euthanasia for a religious reason I think you're
totally free in that choice. But where did you get the right to tell
others to suffer where they have no bibletext to fear?
Another example, where do christians obtain the right to prevent
homosexuals to become happy?
It's sad to see how, in "the finest country in the world", dictatorial
christian fundamentalists manipulate even the supreme court so their
views will be exercised for the next 30 years. Why can't you seperate
church and state? Practice your belief behind your front door.

Racism is always and everywhere. Thats a fact. Buyt that's a
characteritic of specific people themselves. You can't judge a nation
on it. If that were the case the us wouldn't score very good.
I think it takes a very big heart to fully acknowledge that all people
are equal world citizens. I don't even know if my heart is that big...
I am worried about radical islamic youth in my country... I wouldn't
call it racism but it is sad that I get extra cautious when I step
into a train with a group of 'm...

I was born in Poland myself, and lived in Norway for a while. I will tell
you I would rather live in the U.S. then anywhere else. The kindness of
people, opportunities, and openess is amazing.

I am sure, and I can verify it every day that the people I meet are
almost always kind, open and fun to be with. I make friends all the
time. I am sure there are lot's of americans I could have lifelasting
friendships with but that wasn't the point.
The point here is can you take 5 seconds in which you stop pointing
back at me with all kinds of mirrorred critiques and have a good look
at how things are becoming in the us.

Len wrote:

The point here is can you take 5 seconds in which you stop pointing
back at me with all kinds of mirrorred critiques and have a good look
at how things are becoming in the us.

That mirror works both ways, Len. I'm afraid you misunderstand what's
going on over here. It's not about compassion, or lack of it, it's about
the thieving forced redistribution of wealth and real freedoms. We have
had our share of incompetent leadership; Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, etc.,
but we also have had true world leaders like Reagan. Our once great
Democrat party is no more, having been hijacked by radical socialists
and assorted special interests. Suspect you have your share of wackos
too (judging from the Aruba fiasco).

--
Skipper

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:49:12 -0500, Skipper wrote:

Len wrote:

The point here is can you take 5 seconds in which you stop pointing
back at me with all kinds of mirrorred critiques and have a good look
at how things are becoming in the us.

That mirror works both ways, Len. I'm afraid you misunderstand what's
going on over here. It's not about compassion, or lack of it, it's about
the thieving forced redistribution of wealth and real freedoms. We have
had our share of incompetent leadership; Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, etc.,
but we also have had true world leaders like Reagan. Our once great
Democrat party is no more, having been hijacked by radical socialists
and assorted special interests. Suspect you have your share of wackos
too (judging from the Aruba fiasco).

Lets try to lift the discussion from the simple pointing at situations
or anecdotes. Cause if we don't there only will be a series of it.
In my post I admmitted up front there are things to be seriously
improved in Europe. Why can't you? Are you serious in calling Reagan a
competent leader? In my view he was accidentally in office when a true
leader like Gorbatsjow entered the circustent. What would or better
could Reagan have achieved without Gorbatsjow bringing Glasnost and
Perestrojka? Furthermore he is the one that started serious
overspending to please the industry (Star Wars). He spent that much
that democrats wil have to raise taxes (cause the reps won't) so
their and you children will have a lesser debt.
What is actually wrong with this series of facts? Please stick to this
series....

Regards, Len.

Len wrote:


Lets try to lift the discussion from the simple pointing at situations
or anecdotes. Cause if we don't there only will be a series of it.
In my post I admmitted up front there are things to be seriously
improved in Europe. Why can't you? Are you serious in calling Reagan a
competent leader? In my view he was accidentally in office when a true
leader like Gorbatsjow entered the circustent. What would or better
could Reagan have achieved without Gorbatsjow bringing Glasnost and
Perestrojka? Furthermore he is the one that started serious
overspending to please the industry (Star Wars). He spent that much
that democrats wil have to raise taxes (cause the reps won't) so
their and you children will have a lesser debt.
What is actually wrong with this series of facts? Please stick to this
series....

Mikhail is in town today. Perhaps I'll ask him about HIS views of
Reagan. Believe his views of Reagan will be a bit more accurate than
yours.

--
Skipper

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:10:58 -0500, Skipper wrote:
Mikhail is in town today. Perhaps I'll ask him about HIS views of
Reagan. Believe his views of Reagan will be a bit more accurate than
yours.

Oh I agree totally, of course. But I am convinced mr Gorbatsjow is an
extraordinary erudite and civilised man and therefore would never
give negative comments in public about a deceased collegue. No one
with a good upbringing would (yes you're right indeed: except me). But
I think when you ask him unexpectedly he will feel embarassed cause it
forces him to think fast and come up with something that makes the
ridiculity vanish of a man with no credits, -other than being a B-film
actor with a mediocre IQ-, becoming president of the us.

But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?

"Len" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:10:58 -0500, Skipper wrote:
Mikhail is in town today. Perhaps I'll ask him about HIS views of
Reagan. Believe his views of Reagan will be a bit more accurate than
yours.

Oh I agree totally, of course. But I am convinced mr Gorbatsjow is an
extraordinary erudite and civilised man and therefore would never
give negative comments in public about a deceased collegue. No one
with a good upbringing would (yes you're right indeed: except me). But
I think when you ask him unexpectedly he will feel embarassed cause it
forces him to think fast and come up with something that makes the
ridiculity vanish of a man with no credits, -other than being a B-film
actor with a mediocre IQ-, becoming president of the us.

But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?


The fact that they are not facts.

In article ,
says...
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:10:58 -0500, Skipper wrote:
Mikhail is in town today. Perhaps I'll ask him about HIS views of
Reagan. Believe his views of Reagan will be a bit more accurate than
yours.

Oh I agree totally, of course. But I am convinced mr Gorbatsjow is an
extraordinary erudite and civilised man and therefore would never
give negative comments in public about a deceased collegue. No one
with a good upbringing would (yes you're right indeed: except me). But
I think when you ask him unexpectedly he will feel embarassed cause it
forces him to think fast and come up with something that makes the
ridiculity vanish of a man with no credits, -other than being a B-film
actor with a mediocre IQ-, becoming president of the us.

But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?

Well said Len. I think you may have sent Snippy in search of his
bottle.

jps

Len wrote:

But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?

Gorby spoke in lindsborg today. He does not agree with your Reagan
conclusions.

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Skipper