Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

Just watched Fitzgerald's news conference. He is just a hack for the
Justice Department Dems. Did he get an indictment for the outing? Did he
prosecute the illegal politicking by the husband and wife? He is
motivated by the Dems stereotyping of all Republicans. He IS a Democrat
out to damage the current administration.

--
Skipper

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:37:22 -0500, Skipper wrote:

He IS a Democrat
out to damage the current administration.

Who needs a democrat to do that? Seems the administration is doing a
fine job all on it's own.

bb

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

In article , says...

Just watched Fitzgerald's news conference. He is just a hack for the
Justice Department Dems. Did he get an indictment for the outing? Did he
prosecute the illegal politicking by the husband and wife? He is
motivated by the Dems stereotyping of all Republicans. He IS a Democrat
out to damage the current administration.

Hey, a Dem who regularly votes Republican.

Could it be Bill McKee and Patrick Fitzgerald are the same person?

Snippy, it's time to bury your head in your latest issue of White Power
and leave justice to those charged with upholding the law.

jps

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

jps wrote:

Snippy, leave justice to those charged with upholding the law.

The DOJ does not uphold the law, they abuse it. Fitzgerald is a good
example of DOJ "justice". He just ruined a man and his family and has no
shame.

--
Skipper

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

Skipper wrote:
jps wrote:

Snippy, leave justice to those charged with upholding the law.

The DOJ does not uphold the law, they abuse it. Fitzgerald is a good
example of DOJ "justice". He just ruined a man and his family and has no
shame.

--
Skipper

Would you say that a judge who charges anybody else with a crime has no
shame? After all, every day in the U.S. a judge charges, and convicts
people, who in turn, gets "ruined", as well as his family.

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

Harry Krause wrote:

Perjury, false statements, and obstruction on matters more important
than semen stains on a blue dress necessitates charges and a trial.

The man is looking at 30 years for not making accurate statements. How
many years should one get for lying about a lobster boat?

--
Skipper

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

Harry Krause wrote:

The DOJ does not uphold the law, they abuse it. Fitzgerald is a good
example of DOJ "justice". He just ruined a man and his family and has no
shame.

Libby has been charged with a number of serious offenses. If the case
against him goes to trial, he'll either be exonerated or convicted.

"Either exonerated or convicted"??? The man has been ruined no matter
how the case turns out. You show an exceptional feeling for the plight
of your fellow man, Krause. Is that instinct or heritage?

--
Skipper

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

Harry Krause wrote:

Libby allegedly lied to a federal grand jury. That's perjury. He also
allegedly made false statements to federal officials investigating the
case, and he is accused of obstructing justice. Those are all federal
felonies.

Libby was charged with five (5) counts of lying. That's like a cop
issuing bumper-to-bumper tickets...abusive. The prosecutor was *only*
charged with prosecuting the outing. When he couldn't do that, he went
for entrapment. Damn Dems!!!

--
Skipper

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

In article , says...
jps wrote:

Snippy, leave justice to those charged with upholding the law.

The DOJ does not uphold the law, they abuse it. Fitzgerald is a good
example of DOJ "justice". He just ruined a man and his family and has no
shame.

Cough...cough....snort..."oh my god."

The DOJ gathered the FACTS. Based on the FACTS, the grand jury decided
to indict.

It's pretty clear that Libby tightened the noose around his own neck.

Your and my definition of "good man" differ quite a bit. I think your
definition includes lying, cheating and stealing. Mine doesn't.

jps

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

In article , says...
Harry Krause wrote:

The DOJ does not uphold the law, they abuse it. Fitzgerald is a good
example of DOJ "justice". He just ruined a man and his family and has no
shame.

Libby has been charged with a number of serious offenses. If the case
against him goes to trial, he'll either be exonerated or convicted.

"Either exonerated or convicted"??? The man has been ruined no matter
how the case turns out. You show an exceptional feeling for the plight
of your fellow man, Krause. Is that instinct or heritage?

You're an idiot Snippy.

The reason the charges are taken before a grand jury is so the person in
question can be spared the injustice of a public airing of the
investigation.

The grand jury obviously felt the charges had merit, otherwise they
would not have voted to indict.

I suppose the jury is also in the pocket of the dems?

You got a dunce cap?

jps

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

In article , says...
wrote:

Would you say that a judge who charges anybody else with a crime has no
shame?

The judge assigned this case is a well know Dem political hack. Most
Dems are without shame, particularly when referring to stains on blue
dresses.

If that's what it comes down to in your simple little mind then he

Goose, gander.

May Scooter Libby face cocksucking *******s who have the moral and
ethical equivalents of Henry Hyde and Ken Star.

Have a nice day.

jps

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

Harry Krause wrote:

The Bush White House went after the Wilsons for (outing them). The
White House played hardball here and lost.

Perhaps the White House should have found a better, more final solution
to the Wilson problem.

--
Skipper

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

The reason the charges are taken before a grand jury is so the person in
question can be spared the injustice of a public airing of the
investigation.

Unscrupulous Dems can indict a ham sandwich. They'll drag this out for
maximum exposure.

--
Skipper

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
jps wrote:

Snippy, leave justice to those charged with upholding the law.

The DOJ does not uphold the law, they abuse it. Fitzgerald is a good
example of DOJ "justice". He just ruined a man and his family and has no
shame.

--
Skipper


Libby has been charged with a number of serious offenses. If the case
against him goes to trial, he'll either be exonerated or convicted.

Perjury, false statements, and obstruction on matters more important than
semen stains on a blue dress necessitates charges and a trial. The
indictment papers state that one of the jurors believes Libby lied in
response to a direct question from the grand jury. That would be perjury.

You keep referring obliquely to a bad experience you had with the DoJ. Did
you lie to a federal official?

Seaman (lets make this a little boat related) was not why he was in court,
he was in court over sexual Harassment charges, and he lied under oath. And
if Fitzpatrick can not get anything on the Plame case, except a left out
comment to the Grand Jury, he is going to have a hard time getting a
conviction.

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Libby allegedly lied to a federal grand jury. That's perjury. He also
allegedly made false statements to federal officials investigating the
case, and he is accused of obstructing justice. Those are all federal
felonies.

Libby was charged with five (5) counts of lying. That's like a cop
issuing bumper-to-bumper tickets...abusive. The prosecutor was *only*
charged with prosecuting the outing. When he couldn't do that, he went
for entrapment. Damn Dems!!!

--
Skipper

At the time the prosecutor began investigating the retaliatory "outing"
of Valerie Plame, the (alleged) crime of lying under oath to the grand
jury had not yet been committed. One the (alleged) crime was committed
and thereby discovered in the course of the investigation it is only
fitting and proper to file charges.

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
jps wrote:

Snippy, leave justice to those charged with upholding the law.

The DOJ does not uphold the law, they abuse it. Fitzgerald is a good
example of DOJ "justice". He just ruined a man and his family and has no
shame.

--
Skipper


Libby has been charged with a number of serious offenses. If the case
against him goes to trial, he'll either be exonerated or convicted.

Perjury, false statements, and obstruction on matters more important than
semen stains on a blue dress necessitates charges and a trial. The
indictment papers state that one of the jurors believes Libby lied in
response to a direct question from the grand jury. That would be perjury.

You keep referring obliquely to a bad experience you had with the DoJ.
Did you lie to a federal official?

Seaman (lets make this a little boat related) was not why he was in court,
he was in court over sexual Harassment charges, and he lied under oath.
And if Fitzpatrick can not get anything on the Plame case, except a left
out comment to the Grand Jury, he is going to have a hard time getting a
conviction.


Oops, Fitzgerald.

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:34:22 +0000, Bill McKee wrote:


And if Fitzpatrick can not get anything on the Plame case, except a left
out comment to the Grand Jury, he is going to have a hard time getting a
conviction.

You may be missing the point. There may not be any charges on the leak
itself, because they would be hard to prove. These charges were brought
because they will be much easier to prove. You may want to read the
indictment, these charges weren't about a "left out comment".

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:34:22 +0000, Bill McKee wrote:


And if Fitzpatrick can not get anything on the Plame case, except a left
out comment to the Grand Jury, he is going to have a hard time getting a
conviction.

You may be missing the point. There may not be any charges on the leak
itself, because they would be hard to prove. These charges were brought
because they will be much easier to prove. You may want to read the
indictment, these charges weren't about a "left out comment".

Hard to prove? Everyone in Wash. DC that meet the "Wilson's" was introduced
to Mrs. Wilson as my CIA Agent wife. This was occuring before the year 2002
was ever entered.

Wilson outed his wife and when they got caught running an political smear
agains the White House they screamed and claimed that the White House outed
Plame, Mrs. Wilson.

Where is the authorization to send Mr. Wilson to Niger? Where is the
specification of the work he was supposed to do. Somebody should charge the
CIA with getting involved in politics rather than doing their job of
keeiping an eye on the US's enemies.

Fitzgerald a Pol Hack
 

Skipper wrote:
wrote:

At the time the prosecutor began investigating the retaliatory "outing"
of Valerie Plame, the (alleged) crime of lying under oath to the grand
jury had not yet been committed.

Retaliatory outing? What were they retaliating for? Could it be for the
illegal politically motivated activities of the Wilsons?

--
Skipper


See how easy this is? As long as we have agreed that the outing was
"retaliatory", the question of whether she was outed at all is also
carried, is it not?

What an interesting, tragic, turn of events. It's much like the early
days of Watergate. Too bad, also. It effectively knee caps GWB for the
rest of his term, and even though he's a terrible president
representing a selfish and destructive contingent of the far right he
is still the only president we've got until 2009.

We'll never have antoher president that isn't prone to doing, or
surrounding himself with people who do, dishonest things. To get
elected to that office, and often to get reelected, one must play by
some very unfair and vicious rules. The newly elected presidents fill
the top positions in the administration with "pay-back" jobs for the
people who proved more unscrupulous and ruthless than their opponents
and who (through the political process) have nearly always demonstrated
that they have no difficulty lying to the American public en masse.

Scooter Libby was one of the original New American Century gang. If he
is convicted, may he spend his New American Century in jail.

Gould's Position on LRC Vessels
 

Gould's Position on LRC Vessels
 

Skipper wrote:
wrote:

Scooter Libby was one of the original New American Century gang. If he
is convicted, may he spend his New American Century in jail.

A bit surprised you'd like to see incompetent lying charlatans go to
jail. Thought you might have some sort of fraternal affinity for
them...birds of a feather, or some such, don't you know.

BTW, care to quantify your earlier position that one *must* have a
$500,000 Nordhavn or better to safely and comfortably cruise Alaska to
the Cortez and back? We'd really like to see you detail why vessels
selling for under $200,000 cannot accomplish that task. And finally, do
you think such a voyage is better handled by power or sail?

--
Skipper


Poor Psuedo. As soon as the discussion of current events seems not to
be going his way, he changes the header on the thread and takes up an
unwarranted personal attack.

Accomplished seapersons can cruise around the world in a walnut shell,
Psuedo.

Why would *you* need a Krogen, or Nordhavn, or other full displacement
deep draft boat for coastal cruising between Cabo and the Gulf of
Alaska?
Because you lack the knowledge and physical agility to sail, and you
probably can't afford the type of vessel you truly belong on- a
passenger liner. One has to compare the experience of the skipper with
the anticipated voyage to see whether the prospective vessel makes any
sense. Sir Francis Chichester sailed around the world in
"Gypsy Moth" (14-16 feet?). When a guy from East Outhouse, KS, (with a
boating resume that consists primarily of making up stories about
trailering a 22-foot Bayliner to the Gulf of California and riding out
hurricanes), says he wants to go cruising offshore no responsible
person is going to encourage him to do so in a clapped-out old
high-hours semi-displacement inland waterways boat- and "Gypsy Moth" is
out of the question entirely.

You might consider flying all around the world and taking some Carnival
or
NCL cruises. They even have special venues for seniors. You could get a
cabin on the main deck, so your bad knees wouldn't be required to climb
stairs as often. Those monster floating hotels are large enough that
even an aquaphobic might feel comfortable, and just think of the
stories you could tell about your experiences "boating" in the
Caribbean, the Med, Polynesia, etc!

Gould's Position on LRC Vessels
 

Gould's Position on LRC Vessels
 

Skipper,

What is your preference for a bluewater boat? What do you look for in a
true cruising boat. I would assume you prefer a sailboat, but do you prefer
a full keel for stability in bad weather or a modified keel for great speed
and ability to point higher? What would you considered the minimum size for
2 people to comfortable live on board?

Has your wife ever sail in heavy weather? I know my wife always felt
comfortable on a powerboat, but would freak out whenever the sailboat
heeled.


"Skipper" wrote in message
...
wrote:

BTW, care to quantify your earlier position that one *must* have a
$500,000 Nordhavn or better to safely and comfortably cruise Alaska to
the Cortez and back? We'd really like to see you detail why vessels
selling for under $200,000 cannot accomplish that task. And finally, do
you think such a voyage is better handled by power or sail?

You lack the knowledge and physical agility to sail, and you
probably can't afford the type of vessel you truly belong on- a
passenger liner. When a guy from East Outhouse, KS, (with a
boating resume that consists primarily of making up stories about
trailering a 22-foot Bayliner to the Gulf of California and riding out
hurricanes), says he wants to go cruising offshore no responsible
person is going to encourage him to do so. You might consider flying
all around the world and taking some Carnival or NCL cruises. They even
have special venues for seniors. Those monster floating hotels are
large enough that even an aquaphobic might feel comfortable...

Appreciate this demonstration of your knowledge on the subject. It does
tend to reinforce the points some have been noting about you.

--
Skipper

Gould's Position on LRC Vessels
 

Smith Smithers wrote:

Skipper,

What is your preference for a bluewater boat?

Check your email inbox.

--
Skipper

Gould's Position on LRC Vessels
 

Skipper,

My correct email address is:

but of course delete the remove from this address.

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Smith Smithers wrote:

Skipper,

What is your preference for a bluewater boat?

Check your email inbox.

--
Skipper

Gould's Position on LRC Vessels
 

Skipper wrote:
wrote:

BTW, care to quantify your earlier position that one *must* have a
$500,000 Nordhavn or better to safely and comfortably cruise Alaska to
the Cortez and back? We'd really like to see you detail why vessels
selling for under $200,000 cannot accomplish that task. And finally, do
you think such a voyage is better handled by power or sail?

You lack the knowledge and physical agility to sail, and you
probably can't afford the type of vessel you truly belong on- a
passenger liner. When a guy from East Outhouse, KS, (with a
boating resume that consists primarily of making up stories about
trailering a 22-foot Bayliner to the Gulf of California and riding out
hurricanes), says he wants to go cruising offshore no responsible
person is going to encourage him to do so. You might consider flying
all around the world and taking some Carnival or NCL cruises. They even
have special venues for seniors. Those monster floating hotels are
large enough that even an aquaphobic might feel comfortable...

Appreciate this demonstration of your knowledge on the subject. It does
tend to reinforce the points some have been noting about you.

--
Skipper


The points I just noted about you include:

1) When the discussion appears to be going against you, you change the
header and hijack the thread to personal attack.

That's fine. Everybody has some area in which they are an expert. Yours
is
apparent, and demonstrated yet again in this thread, Psuedo.

Some really funny items from the archives:
 

Skipper wrote:
wrote:

BTW, care to quantify your earlier position that one *must* have a
$500,000 Nordhavn or better to safely and comfortably cruise Alaska to
the Cortez and back? We'd really like to see you detail why vessels
selling for under $200,000 cannot accomplish that task. And finally, do
you think such a voyage is better handled by power or sail?

You lack the knowledge and physical agility to sail, and you
probably can't afford the type of vessel you truly belong on- a
passenger liner. When a guy from East Outhouse, KS, (with a
boating resume that consists primarily of making up stories about
trailering a 22-foot Bayliner to the Gulf of California and riding out
hurricanes), says he wants to go cruising offshore no responsible
person is going to encourage him to do so. You might consider flying
all around the world and taking some Carnival or NCL cruises. They even
have special venues for seniors. Those monster floating hotels are
large enough that even an aquaphobic might feel comfortable...

Appreciate this demonstration of your knowledge on the subject. It does
tend to reinforce the points some have been noting about you.

--
Skipper


Thought I'd try changing the header myself. :-)

Two interesting comments from 1999......


The first, from August 1999....

Gee, sorry there "Skipper" I take it you don't like it when people
actually
notice the distortions you fabricate. FYI DW stands for Dennis Woodcock
-
that's my name. You really shouldn't manufacture quotes though, it
makes you
look very petty. It's simple enough to cut and paste a quote without
making
one up, just send me an E-Mail if you need help with it, I'll do my
best to
explain it to you. BTW with that Dim Wit crack you've slain me with
your
rapier wit. You are like a genius...only not as smart. :-)



The second, from the same thread........


Auckie1962 wrote:
H Krause wrote:
I don't recall a post from SlipKnot indicating he has ever piloted his extra
long range daycruiser in "the ocean."
I've managed to stay neutral on this subject during my 2+ years here,,,but
I do seem to remember Skipper posting about
going to sea with NUMEROUS 5 gallon cans of fuel strapped to the deck of the
Bayliner to extend cruising range.
(I believe it some insane number of jugs,,,,like twenty or more !!)
I remember thinking at the time (@ early last summer) what an odd (and
dangerous !!) sight that must have been,,,,Big Malotov cocktail waiting to
happen!!!.
Still trying to be neutral,, (and testing my memory,,- Auckie

Ahhh, but....
....that alleged trip was in the Gulf of California, *not* an ocean by
any
stretch of even Skipper's imagination.
And forget not, he also claimed to be carrying at the same time an
offshore
life raft. He probably filled it with hydrogen.
All this on a 22' day cruiser with a tiny cockpit astern of the
steering
console.

Gould's Position on LRC Vessels
 

Harry Krause wrote:

Libby is not an incompetent. But you are. I suspect he lied to provide
cover for his criminal boss, Dickless Cheney.

Truly sad to see your obviously diminished skills.

--
Skipper

Chuck Gould is a Crook
 

Gould's Position on LRC Vessels
 

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:14:33 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



Why would a semi-invalid living in Derby, Kansas, have a preference for
a bluewater boat? How are those assist bars on your bathtub working out?

What's an "assist bar"? Can you tell us a little more about them,
Harry?

Jack

Some really funny items from the archives:
 

Some really funny items from the archives:
 

Skipper wrote:
wrote:

Ahhh, but...that alleged trip was in the Gulf of California, *not* an
ocean by any stretch of even Skipper's imagination. And forget not, he
also claimed to be carrying at the same time an offshore life raft.
All this on a 22' day cruiser with a tiny cockpit astern of the
steering console.

You are fabricating again, Chuckie. There was no claim of an offshore
liferaft, the claim was of an Avon tender stored *under* the starboard
cockpit seats and a 15 hp Evinrude. The stored tender was behind cockpit
doors when not in use keeping that cockpit uncluttered.

BTW, that tender COULD have been used as an emergency raft if needed.

--
Skipper


I am fabricating *nothing*, Psuedo.

All those comments were from the archives, made by other people. None
of those comments were mine.

What did they say?

Well, one said he noticed that you get upset when you get caught
fabricating distortions. Looks like nothing has changed there, has it?

Another poked fun at your "sea story" about the only time you ever
reported taking your Bayliner for a cruise........into a hurricane on
the Sea of Cortez, with a boatload of auxiliary gas cans and some sort
of "tender"......(which was probably really essential on a boat that
draws what, 15" with the drive up?).....

The last quote was your good friend Harry, simply agreeing with the
other two comments.

You got a problem with what was said? Take it up with the people who
said it.

Some really funny items from the archives: