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Hey, Speed Bumps, I Guess These Rowers Brought It on Themselves, Too, Right?
I mean, even though it's broad ****ing daylight, if you paddle and you get capsized by a powercraft, IT'S YOUR GODDAMNED FAULT -- right, speed bumps? http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT |
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Hey, Speed Bumps, I Guess These Rowers Brought It on Themselves, Too, Right?
I am glad my son decided not to join the crew team.
"NYC XYZ" wrote in message oups.com... I mean, even though it's broad ****ing daylight, if you paddle and you get capsized by a powercraft, IT'S YOUR GODDAMNED FAULT -- right, speed bumps? http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT |
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Hey, Speed Bumps, I Guess These Rowers Brought It on Themselves, Too, Right?
NYC XYZ wrote: I mean, even though it's broad ****ing daylight, if you paddle and you get capsized by a powercraft, IT'S YOUR GODDAMNED FAULT -- right, speed bumps? http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT You know, it's posts like yours above that go a long way toward *increasing* the animosity between various boating factions. Nice work. The rowers weren't merely capsized by the powerboat, the powerboat operator collided with the shell. The powerboat operator was clearly at fault. That said, I know from personal local experience that many of the rowers must bicycle down to the shell house. Some of our local bicyclists will pedal down the middle of the road at about 5mph, and if anything is said some of them flip you the finger and remind you that they have the same "rights as an automobile". Those same cyclists will come to an intersection with a STOP sign, pull up onto the sidewalk for about 10 feet and wthout missing a beat just jet out into the cross traffic. As people slam on brakes etc to avoid hitting the bikers that a few yards earlier were subject to the same STOP sign as all other traffic, there is all too often some comment like "Can't you see I'm in a crosswalk, you son of a bitch?" We have an active crew program on some of our local lakes. There is a 7 knot speed limit on these lakes, but this is routinely ignored by the crews. No problem, really, except that the shells are usually accompanied by small powerboats that also ignore the 7-knot speed limit. I've seen the coaches in the little outboard vessels go flying across the lake at 15-20 knots to bitch out some poor guy doing 5-6 knots on the other side of the lake because they think he's generating a bit more wake than their prima-donna crews should be forced to deal with. All vessels are responsible for any damage caused by wake. No problem. Vessels being rowed have the right of way over nearly all other watercraft, including sail. No problem. Where some of the scullers apparently get confused is the part of the regulations that say it is the responsibilty of all vessels to avoid a collision-(I've often seen then just start across a narrow channel under the bow on an oncoming boat, as if they're saying "we have the right of way, they'll just have to live with it and work around us somehow"), as well as the explicit requirement in the rules of the road for stand-on vessels to maintain course and speed. BTW, our local instances certainly aren't connected with an organized racing event. They're just daily practice, with shells headed in any number of random directions simultaneously. Rather obviously, an organized regatta can exert a defensible claim of exclusive use of a waterway. We have a large crew race every year, and the entire waterway is shut down for that event. No problem. Fortunately, most of the local rowers don't have the same hostile attitude your post displayed. If you ever get up to my neck of the woods and I'm out in my boat- please make yourself known to me. You can be sure I will modify my wake appropriately. :-) |
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Hey, Speed Bumps, I Guess These Rowers Brought It on Themselves,Too, Right?
Roger Houston wrote:
"NYC XYZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: I should warn you...I've applied for a firearms license...ain't no asshole capsizing me with impunity next time! You have just established premeditation. Good luck establishing your self-defense case when you carry out your plan. Self defense requires (among other things) that you be a reluctant participant in any potentially violent encounter, and that you avoid the encounter or, if it's forced upon you, that you attempt to retreat. Not in Florida! |
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Hey, Speed Bumps, I Guess These Rowers Brought It on Themselves, Too, Right?
There certainly are some conflicting reports on what happened.
http://tinyurl.com/9w4yj http://www.nyrowing.org/ http://ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=8&aid=54486 But there is also some agreement. Apparently it was not broad daylight, visibility was an issue, and no one seems to have assigned blame. If two moving craft collide, who hit whom? Generally speaking, however, the less manuverable craft has the right of way, regardless of who has the worst result. It will be interesting to see if a rowing skull is considered less manuverable than a powerboat. Noneless, everyone has the obligation to make themselves visible, paddle boats and powerboats. Either boat could be at fault, however the guy from the skull seems to be one one who had the worst consequences. My condolences to his friends and family. --riverman |
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Hey, Speed Bumps, I Guess These Rowers Brought It on Themselves, Too, Right?
riverman wrote: There certainly are some conflicting reports on what happened. http://tinyurl.com/9w4yj http://www.nyrowing.org/ http://ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=8&aid=54486 But there is also some agreement. Apparently it was not broad daylight, visibility was an issue, and no one seems to have assigned blame. Yes, I stand corrected -- though morning, it wasn't "broad" daylight since it was rainy and thus possibly misty. Visibility is always an issue where there is an absence of malice (and alcohol, for that matter). Funny our fellow paddlers are so silent this time about assigning blame! If two moving craft collide, who hit whom? Generally speaking, however, the less manuverable craft has the right of way, regardless of who has the worst result. It will be interesting to see if a rowing skull is considered less manuverable than a powerboat. It's interesting to see none of the paddling NG assholes are claiming that the paddler is at fault by default! I have read, however, that human-powered craft, though considerable slower, are considered more manuverable (!), generally speaking -- at least compared to tankers and such. It will be interesting indeed to see how things are decided when it comes to a small speed-boat. Noneless, everyone has the obligation to make themselves visible, paddle boats and powerboats. Either boat could be at fault, however the guy from the skull seems to be one one who had the worst consequences. My condolences to his friends and family. --riverman Interesting, too, how the NYPD Harbor Patrol's investigation into my case will turn out. I must say, they do seem serious about it. Most of the time, civilian complaints are duly noted and left alone. |
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Hey, Speed Bumps, I Guess These Rowers Brought It on Themselves, Too, Right?
"NYC XYZ" wrote in message oups.com... Bill McKee wrote: I run an aluminum jetboat. Rafts are supposed to stay to the side of the waterway. At least in Washington state law. That's what I did, too, but the paddler NG assholes were of the opinion that no matter what, I am at fault if they didn't see me, even if I had my light and was hugging the shoreline and they appeared to be speeding and at night too along the shoreline! That wasn't the opinion of all concerned. As I recall, you were suggesting that you had been deliberately swamped rather than a victim of an accident, which resulted in expressions of doubt. |
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Hey, Speed Bumps, I Guess These Rowers Brought It on Themselves, Too, Right?
O thank you, NYC XYZ! It's been so boring around here since our last
crackpot got wrapped up in the sleeveless jacket and taken off to the house with the rubber-walled rooms. Thanks for stepping in and filling the vacancy! Life on r.b.p is becoming interesting again. -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters ================================================== ==================== NYC XYZ wrote: I mean, even though it's broad ****ing daylight, if you paddle and you get capsized by a powercraft, IT'S YOUR GODDAMNED FAULT -- right, speed bumps? http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT |
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Hey, Speed Bumps, I Guess These Rowers Brought It on Themselves, Too, Right?
"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message oups.com... O thank you, NYC XYZ! It's been so boring around here since our last crackpot got wrapped up in the sleeveless jacket and taken off to the house with the rubber-walled rooms. Would that be rubber-walled with sponsons? -- Ever had one of those days where you just felt like: http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html ? |
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Hey, Speed Bumps, I Guess These Rowers Brought It on Themselves, Too, Right?
"NYC XYZ" wrote in news:1130334632.427311.99350
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: riverman wrote: There certainly are some conflicting reports on what happened. http://tinyurl.com/9w4yj http://www.nyrowing.org/ http://ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=8&aid=54486 But there is also some agreement. Apparently it was not broad daylight, visibility was an issue, and no one seems to have assigned blame. Yes, I stand corrected -- though morning, it wasn't "broad" daylight since it was rainy and thus possibly misty. I believe on of the site I read indicated that the incident occurred between 5:45 and 6:00am. I don't live all that far from New York City and leave for work around 7:00am and it's still quite dark. Visibility is always an issue where there is an absence of malice (and alcohol, for that matter). Funny our fellow paddlers are so silent this time about assigning blame! Why is it necessary to assign blame? The way I remember the previous episode was that the fellow paddlers here were not claiming that the police patrol boat was not at fault, but that ultimately that we are all responsible for our own safety. Legally, a motor vehicle must stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk, and if I'm in a cross walk and am run over by a motor vehicle the fault would be attributed to the driver of the motor vehicle. Pragmatically, when a collision involving a 2 ton motorized vehicle and a human occurs, the human suffers the greatest amount of damage. Subsequently assigning blame isn't as much an issue as who might be living the rest of their life crippled or have their life ended right there. Similarly, in a collision between a large power boat and a small paddle craft the operator of the paddlecraft is going to suffer the greatest damage. While maritime right-of-way laws might give the right of way to the paddle craft, those that take responsibility for their own safety take whatever precautions are necessary to ensure their safety rather than assume the rules of the road are going offer complete protection. That means that carrying a light might meet a legal obligation but if the light is not sufficient enough to prevent a near collision, most rational people would conclude that having a brighter light (or maybe just not paddling at night in certain waterways) will going further in preventing a future incident than getting a bunch of people to support you in assigning blame. |
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