Common courtesy?
 

I wanted to relate a story that happened during our cruise yesterday and get
some feedback from you all.

We were cruising in the Thousand Islands, crawling along at about 7 knots
and not too far from shore.

From behind us came three big cruisers, each around 30', making about 20+
knots it seemed. They passed us close on the port side, maybe 200'. They
were lined up one directly behind the other and they were close enough
together that all three had passed before the wakes reached us.

The wakes hit us hard, tossing us about so when the way was clear I turned
into them. Although I saw it all coming, I couldn't turn directly into them
right away because there was other traffic to consider, however I was the
only one taking it directly on the beam.

I believe that one boat's wake might not have been too bad but all three in
a row like that made it quite uncomfortable, borderline scary. Anything
smaller than us (I'm 30'), or especially a pontoon boat would have been in
some amount of danger I think. Once we had ridden out the wakes I returned
to my course.

I understand they may not have wanted to go to the trouble of powering back
especially since they were trimmed for flight. But there was a whole lot
more room that they could have used.

So I'm not sure how I should think about this. Should they be considering
the impact they may be causing and make efforts to minimize that?

Or is it every man for himself out there?

The one thing I will do differently should this situation crop up again is
immediately adjust course to take the wakes on the bow.Even though it would
have required a number of course adjustments from the other boats in the
area -- and possibly caused some confusion -- they'll just have to
understand that I didn't "start" this whole thing.

A little earlier that day, on the downstream leg of our cruise I was on
plane making about 28 knots and made a wide course adjustment to keep me
well clear of an anchored dive boat. While it seemed a large, seaworthy
craft I imagined (probably correctly) that they didn't really need to be
turned into a rocking chair and I also had a lot of water to maneuver so I
figured it was the right thing to do.

Any thoughts you guys have would be appreciated, I have a lot to learn.

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Yes, when your in international waters like that, that is part of the St.
Lawrence Seaway so there are even larger ships navigating through there. I
think it may be the "every man for themselves theory". Basically it is also
the largest ship rule, you have to see them coming and take precautions.







"Paul" wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...
I wanted to relate a story that happened during our cruise yesterday and
get
some feedback from you all.

We were cruising in the Thousand Islands, crawling along at about 7 knots
and not too far from shore.

From behind us came three big cruisers, each around 30', making about 20+
knots it seemed. They passed us close on the port side, maybe 200'. They
were lined up one directly behind the other and they were close enough
together that all three had passed before the wakes reached us.

The wakes hit us hard, tossing us about so when the way was clear I turned
into them. Although I saw it all coming, I couldn't turn directly into
them
right away because there was other traffic to consider, however I was the
only one taking it directly on the beam.

I believe that one boat's wake might not have been too bad but all three
in
a row like that made it quite uncomfortable, borderline scary. Anything
smaller than us (I'm 30'), or especially a pontoon boat would have been in
some amount of danger I think. Once we had ridden out the wakes I returned
to my course.

I understand they may not have wanted to go to the trouble of powering
back
especially since they were trimmed for flight. But there was a whole lot
more room that they could have used.

So I'm not sure how I should think about this. Should they be considering
the impact they may be causing and make efforts to minimize that?

Or is it every man for himself out there?

The one thing I will do differently should this situation crop up again is
immediately adjust course to take the wakes on the bow.Even though it
would
have required a number of course adjustments from the other boats in the
area -- and possibly caused some confusion -- they'll just have to
understand that I didn't "start" this whole thing.

A little earlier that day, on the downstream leg of our cruise I was on
plane making about 28 knots and made a wide course adjustment to keep me
well clear of an anchored dive boat. While it seemed a large, seaworthy
craft I imagined (probably correctly) that they didn't really need to be
turned into a rocking chair and I also had a lot of water to maneuver so I
figured it was the right thing to do.

Any thoughts you guys have would be appreciated, I have a lot to learn.

Common courtesy?
 

33 years of driving has taught me that 90% of automobile drivers fall into
one or more of these categories:

1) Dead. Actually, really dead. Nobody's bothered to remove them from the
car.

2) Drunk, regardless of the time of day.

3) Completely distracted by one thing or another

4) Blind, according to any legal or medical definition

5) Stupid - too stupid to operate a toaster, much less a car.


There's no reason to believe that boaters are any different, and the horror
stories in this newsgroup are proof of the theory.

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That dive boat you passed at 28 knots?
Even though you steered well clear of it, all that really accomplished was
to
increase the time between your passing and the
moment the dive boat began to rock as a result.

Oops, no. A boat wake will dissipate over distance.

Your math on the 2-3 foot waves failed to mention the period and the energy.
As I'm sure you're aware, 2 foot waves can be barely noticed or be quite an
event depending on the period. The energy would also be an important factor.
Wave height alone is insufficient information upon which to base a
conclusion.

I had to take marks off for that, otherwise a good effort. B-

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Oops, no. A boat wake will dissipate over distance.

Agreed, but how far away would a boat (of unknown displacement and running
characteristics) travelling 28 knots need to pass a stationary vessel in order
to avoid
"rocking" it at all? We don't know what the characteristics of the poster's
boat might be, but in many cases the answer would be " well over a mile."

Your math on the 2-3 foot waves failed to mention the period and the energy.
As I'm sure you're aware, 2 foot waves can be barely noticed or be quite an
event depending on the period. The energy would also be an important factor.
Wave height alone is insufficient information upon which to base a
conclusion.


I'd be interested to hear you theory about how one 2-foot wave differs in
energy content from the next, on the same body of water and if wind and current
are the same.

As far as period goes, it's hard to imagine wakes stacking up any denser than
the short vertical chop, (crests merely a few feet apart), that accumulates in
many inland waterways and harbors. Wakes generated by boats running an
identical course in close proximity and a common speed will all approach a
fixed point at
a similar angle.

The situation described isn't as tough as
some. Try dealing with a wake from a monster container ship that passed maybe
1/2 mile away coming from one angle, and
a wall of water generated by an over-powered, underbrained, sportfisherman
passing far too close abeam from another. Sometimes maneuerving to take one
wake properly leaves you badly exposed to the other. :-)

I had to take marks off for that, otherwise a good effort. B-

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:01:11 GMT, "Rural Knight"
wrote:

Snips
We've all been there - the bigger boats have the same rights to
the water as you do - as long as they weren't violating any rules
or regulations, you just have to deal with it.


Along with the bigger boats come bigger slips, bigger fuel bills, and
bigger responsibilities. Virtually every state has (due to boater
discourtesy) enacted laws governing responsibility for one's wake. It
is MUCH easier to violate these laws with a 40+ footer than a 14-
footer....

Good point - well taken.

Later,

Tom

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gene Kearns wrote:

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:01:11 GMT, "Rural Knight"
wrote:

Snips
We've all been there - the bigger boats have the same rights to
the water as you do - as long as they weren't violating any rules
or regulations, you just have to deal with it.


Along with the bigger boats come bigger slips, bigger fuel bills, and
bigger responsibilities. Virtually every state has (due to boater
discourtesy) enacted laws governing responsibility for one's wake. It
is MUCH easier to violate these laws with a 40+ footer than a 14-
footer....

I actually stopped a jetskier in Rockhold Creek Sunday. The speed limit
is 6 mph, and it is a no-wake zone. He was zipping along and making a
small, but highly visible wake as he came towards me.

I waved him down, and he came alongside. I asked if he knew about the
speed limit and the no-wake zone.

He said, "I didn't think it applied to jetskis."

I assured the fellow it did.

A couple of weeks ago, I was up at Webster Lake and there
were some guys goofing around with a PWC right off the launch
ramp making waves, pulling donuts, etc. There's a BIG sign
at the ramp with the posted regulations - no wake area and
no donuts in the cove.

I called up to the Police Station (right at the end of the beach
road as it happens) because I wanted to launch my Ranger
and these guys weren't cutting me any slack.

Cop shows up, calls one guy over - speaks with a Russian
accent. Cop says no PWC riding within 100 feet, no wake
and no donuts in the cove. Russian guy looks the cop eight
in the eye and says "No PWC - Is jetski!!!"

I cracked up - couldn't stop laughing.

Finally the cop, who was laughing as well, explained the
situation to him and they took with good grace. For my
part, I made a wake for them to jump in the lower pond
of the lake and everybody was happy.

Jetski - what a clown...

Later,

Tom

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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:01:11 GMT, "Rural Knight"
wrote:
believe me, once you
get used to "checking your six", it becomes second nature and
saves a lot of grief.
========================================
Just curious, what does "checking your six" mean, and where does the
expression come from?

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:01:11 GMT, "Rural Knight"
wrote:
believe me, once you
get used to "checking your six", it becomes second nature and
saves a lot of grief.
========================================
Just curious, what does "checking your six" mean, and where does the
expression come from?

It's an expression related to combat (and other things) and
means to check behind you. Think of the face of a clock -
twelve would be high or in front (depending on plane), six
below or behind (depending on plane), etc.

It's a way to orient yourself in free space.

Later,

Tom

Common courtesy?
 

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
From behind us came three big cruisers, each around 30', making about 20+
knots it seemed. They passed us close on the port side, maybe 200'. They
were lined up one directly behind the other and they were close enough
together that all three had passed before the wakes reached us.

First, a few clarifications.

1. 30 feet is not a "big cruiser". At 20 knots, the boats should have been
well
up on plane and creating perhaps a 2-foot wake, certainly under 3-feet at
the
most.

Unless they were Bayliner Motoryachts! I have never seen such large wakes
form boats of this size (30-40 ft). There are other culprits of course ,
but the Bayliners are bad...they seem to plow through the water and never
really come on plane! And no.. this is NOT a troll!

Larry

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:18:08 GMT, "Rural Knight"
wrote:

It's an expression related to combat (and other things) and
means to check behind you. Think of the face of a clock -
twelve would be high or in front (depending on plane), six
below or behind (depending on plane), etc.

It's a way to orient yourself in free space.
=====================================

Interesting, thanks.

Common courtesy?
 

Unless they were Bayliner Motoryachts! I have never seen such large wakes
form boats of this size (30-40 ft). There are other culprits of course ,
but the Bayliners are bad...they seem to plow through the water and never
really come on plane! And no.. this is NOT a troll!

Larry


The worst culprits have been the 32 and 38 footers. Engines set under the
cockpit made these boats butt heavy. The designers used straight outboard
shafts, which required prop pockets. The prop pockets reduced the buoyant mass
under the transom, additionally compounding the problem.

Later model Bayliners have corrected this tendency.

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Up until that point there had been some interesting situations developing
where I found myself on intersecting courses with other boats. Three times
in fact and in each situation my understanding of the colregs indicated
that
I should be given right of way (I was off their starboard bow and
maintaining a steady course and speed).


A minor clarification for your future reference: Your understanding of the
COLREGS in the situations you described is fundamentally correct, however
your terminology is somewhat dated. Some years ago, those who make such
policy decisions decided to abandon the concept and term of "right of way".
I suspect it has to do with implication that a vessel with the "right of
way" has carte blanche to do whatever suited his fancy. The current concept
and terminology declares the burdened vessel the "give way" vessel, and the
privileged vessel the "stand on" vessel. The "give way" vessel is expected
to take early and substantial action by way of changing course and/or speed
to stay clear of the "stand on" vessel. The "stand on" vessel must, in
normal conditions, maintain course and speed, just as you have described
your actions. The difference is mostly semantical, in that no one actually
gave you a right of way, but rather you were obliged by the rules of the
road to maintain course and speed, which you did. The other vessels were
obliged to alter course and/or speed, which they apparently did. Under
current terminology, no vessel actually had a "right of way." The exception
to this concept and rule is when for whatever reason, a collision appears
imminent. In that case each vessel is required to take whatever action
necessary to avoid collision, even if it means violating the conventional
rules of the road.

Common courtesy?
 

Some years ago, those who make such
policy decisions decided to abandon the concept and term of "right of way".

"Right-of-way" is still used in one case: Inland Rules, Rule 14, (d), states:
"...a power driven vessel.....proceeding downbound with a following current
shall have the right-of-way over an upbound vessel...."

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Rural Knight wrote:


Welcome to the world of big boats, big wakes, big egos, big idiots.
Ok, idiots is a little harsh - selfish, uncaring idiots is better.

You see this all the time around the Mystic/Newport area. Most of
the vessels are 50+, capable of running 30-40 knots and throw a wake
that look like freakin' mountains.

There's not much you can do about it,

Actually, there is a LOT you can do about it. Complain to the Coast Guard &
local water cops, naming the boat, the time, the location, and refer to your
log.

An even better answer is to videotape the offender, making sure you get a good
shot of the registration numbers, ame & home port, and/or the helmsperson. In
my experience, if they see you videotaping them, they immediately start minding
their manners.

A lot of big boats are operated by pros. If they generate enough complaints, or
even one of the right sort of complaint, they can have their license yanked.
Most pros are aware of this and tread very lightly on ground that could lose
them their livelihood.

IMHO the worst offenders are the high dollar sportsfishermen. Relatively few of
them are captained by pros, usually a drunk egomaniac is at the controls
showing off for his buddies.




We've all been there - the bigger boats have the same rights to
the water as you do - as long as they weren't violating any rules
or regulations, you just have to deal with it.

Bigger boats do not have the right to endanger others, and ALL boaters are
responsible for their wake. FWIW I agree that the presence of dangerous idiots
on the road & on the water is the status quo, but it is the responsibility of
all to try and improve things, not shrug it off.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:15:08 -0400, DSK
wrote:

Rural Knight wrote:


Welcome to the world of big boats, big wakes, big egos, big idiots.
Ok, idiots is a little harsh - selfish, uncaring idiots is better.

You see this all the time around the Mystic/Newport area. Most of
the vessels are 50+, capable of running 30-40 knots and throw a wake
that look like freakin' mountains.

There's not much you can do about it,

Actually, there is a LOT you can do about it. Complain to the Coast Guard &
local water cops, naming the boat, the time, the location, and refer to your
log.

An even better answer is to videotape the offender, making sure you get a good
shot of the registration numbers, ame & home port, and/or the helmsperson. In
my experience, if they see you videotaping them, they immediately start minding
their manners.

A lot of big boats are operated by pros. If they generate enough complaints, or
even one of the right sort of complaint, they can have their license yanked.
Most pros are aware of this and tread very lightly on ground that could lose
them their livelihood.

IMHO the worst offenders are the high dollar sportsfishermen. Relatively few of
them are captained by pros, usually a drunk egomaniac is at the controls
showing off for his buddies.




We've all been there - the bigger boats have the same rights to
the water as you do - as long as they weren't violating any rules
or regulations, you just have to deal with it.

Bigger boats do not have the right to endanger others, and ALL boaters are
responsible for their wake. FWIW I agree that the presence of dangerous idiots
on the road & on the water is the status quo, but it is the responsibility of
all to try and improve things, not shrug it off.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


....nice Philosophy you got there. Can I borrow it? :o)

noah

Courtesy of Lee Yeaton,
See the boats of rec.boats
www.TheBayGuide.com/rec.boats

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"noah" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:15:08 -0400, DSK
wrote:

Rural Knight wrote:


Welcome to the world of big boats, big wakes, big egos, big idiots.
Ok, idiots is a little harsh - selfish, uncaring idiots is better.

You see this all the time around the Mystic/Newport area. Most of
the vessels are 50+, capable of running 30-40 knots and throw a wake
that look like freakin' mountains.

There's not much you can do about it,

Actually, there is a LOT you can do about it. Complain to the Coast Guard
&
local water cops, naming the boat, the time, the location, and refer to
your
log.

An even better answer is to videotape the offender, making sure you get a
good
shot of the registration numbers, ame & home port, and/or the
helmsperson. In
my experience, if they see you videotaping them, they immediately start
minding
their manners.

A lot of big boats are operated by pros. If they generate enough
complaints, or
even one of the right sort of complaint, they can have their license
yanked.
Most pros are aware of this and tread very lightly on ground that could
lose
them their livelihood.

IMHO the worst offenders are the high dollar sportsfishermen. Relatively
few of
them are captained by pros, usually a drunk egomaniac is at the controls
showing off for his buddies.




We've all been there - the bigger boats have the same rights to
the water as you do - as long as they weren't violating any rules
or regulations, you just have to deal with it.

Bigger boats do not have the right to endanger others, and ALL boaters
are
responsible for their wake. FWIW I agree that the presence of dangerous
idiots
on the road & on the water is the status quo, but it is the
responsibility of
all to try and improve things, not shrug it off.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

...nice Philosophy you got there. Can I borrow it? :o)

Ok, you put your boat in the way first.

I'll go after you finish. ;)

Later,

Tom

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"noah" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:15:53 GMT, "Rural Knight"
wrote:


"noah" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:15:08 -0400, DSK
wrote:

Rural Knight wrote:


Welcome to the world of big boats, big wakes, big egos, big idiots.
Ok, idiots is a little harsh - selfish, uncaring idiots is better.

You see this all the time around the Mystic/Newport area. Most of
the vessels are 50+, capable of running 30-40 knots and throw a wake
that look like freakin' mountains.

There's not much you can do about it,

Actually, there is a LOT you can do about it. Complain to the Coast
Guard
&
local water cops, naming the boat, the time, the location, and refer
to
your
log.

An even better answer is to videotape the offender, making sure you
get a
good
shot of the registration numbers, ame & home port, and/or the
helmsperson. In
my experience, if they see you videotaping them, they immediately
start
minding
their manners.

A lot of big boats are operated by pros. If they generate enough
complaints, or
even one of the right sort of complaint, they can have their license
yanked.
Most pros are aware of this and tread very lightly on ground that
could
lose
them their livelihood.

IMHO the worst offenders are the high dollar sportsfishermen.
Relatively
few of
them are captained by pros, usually a drunk egomaniac is at the
controls
showing off for his buddies.




We've all been there - the bigger boats have the same rights to
the water as you do - as long as they weren't violating any rules
or regulations, you just have to deal with it.

Bigger boats do not have the right to endanger others, and ALL boaters
are
responsible for their wake. FWIW I agree that the presence of
dangerous
idiots
on the road & on the water is the status quo, but it is the
responsibility of
all to try and improve things, not shrug it off.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

...nice Philosophy you got there. Can I borrow it? :o)

Ok, you put your boat in the way first.

I'll go after you finish. ;)

Later,

Tom


LOL!! No heroics for me, I'm way to old, and the old Arc doesn't
manuever well. 100 cubits takes a while to come about.

It was *this* part that I wanted to borrow "...it is the
responsibility of all to try and improve things, not shrug it off."

Agreed.

Later,

Tom

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It was *this* part that I wanted to borrow "...it is the
responsibility of all to try and improve things, not shrug it off."

Rural Knight wrote:
Agreed.

Thanks... btw it could well be argued that videotaping other people without
their permission is also rude...

I often see boats that I'd like to take pictures of, and if I can't maneuver
around to asking permission (I have always had slow boats, either sailboats or
our 'new' trawler) then I don't take pictures.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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Paul Writes

From behind us came three big cruisers, each around 30', making about 20+
knots it seemed. They passed us close on the port side, maybe 200'. They
were lined up one directly behind the other and they were close enough
together that all three had passed before the wakes reached us.

I am *very* new to all this, but if the boats were overtaking you their
wakes would approach from your stern quarter. Could you have steered to
starboard thus taking the wake square on to your stern? Obviously less
comfortable than bow-first, but more stable than beam-on, and you'd not
impede the overtaking vessels.

--
Trevor Dennis
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"DSK" wrote in message
...


Thanks... btw it could well be argued that videotaping other people
without
their permission is also rude...


Is photographing people in public as rude as some drunk fool rocking your
boat to the point where some of your marginal guests start turning green,
and out of guilt, you have to cut short your day of fishing? Talk about a
crime....sheesh!

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Hi Trevor,

Thought about this a lot since, and of course this weekend during cruising
as well.

Yes, there were things I could have done in hindsight and I think you're
right, taking them on the stern was a possibility however I was fairly close
to shore and taking them on the stern would have meant turning into shore.
But by turning and dropping power it would have worked. So doing the same
thing but taking them on the bow would have worked as well. Learn, learn,
learn.

This weekend I was a lot more aware of this type of thing and found that it
wasn't too hard to deal with the various wakes I encountered. I didn't
encounter anything near what I wrote about last week but even if I had I
felt much more capable of dealing with it.

This time when being overtaken from behind I altered course slightly for a
while beforehand (heading away from the overtaking boats), then after being
overtaken I would correct back a little more acutely, getting back to my
original line while taking the wakes more directly. Once through the wake, I
would correct once again back onto my original course and all was well with
the world. Obviously I was looking a lot further out than before and being
more aware.

I also did this once when meeting another boat coming towards me on a
parallel course. He was moving about my speed (6-7 knots) but it was a
working boat with a displacement hull (trawler style) and he was moving a
fair amount of water -- quite an amazing amount really, he must have been
heavy. Gently steered away from him and then cut back in a little more
sharply, took the wake and then resumed original course.

After a while I found this becoming sort of a habit or a reflex. I began to
notice less that I was doing it. Also the adjustments were probably not
really that noticeable since I was looking further.

All in all, although the experience was a bit upsetting, if it had not
happened and had the people here not given their input this valuable lesson
would have taken longer to learn.

And if I may digress, I was very pleased with how my boat handled when
cutting some of the larger or more confsued wakes this weekend. She has a
fairly good vee going on and she cut them, even coming down off the top of
them right into another without any slamming or pounding. I don't know how
else to say it except it was very knife-like.

I have been in other cruisers that have pounded down off the top of waves,
almost sounding like a big drum, but my boat seemed to do it almost silently
except for some spray squirting out from the bow.

It was actually kind of cool and increased my confidence on her ability to
take care of us.



"Trevor Dennis" wrote in message
...
Paul Writes

From behind us came three big cruisers, each around 30', making about 20+
knots it seemed. They passed us close on the port side, maybe 200'. They
were lined up one directly behind the other and they were close enough
together that all three had passed before the wakes reached us.

I am *very* new to all this, but if the boats were overtaking you their
wakes would approach from your stern quarter. Could you have steered to
starboard thus taking the wake square on to your stern? Obviously less
comfortable than bow-first, but more stable than beam-on, and you'd not
impede the overtaking vessels.

--
Trevor Dennis
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Paul writes
Hi Trevor,

Yes, there were things I could have done in hindsight and I think you're
right, taking them on the stern was a possibility however I was fairly close
to shore and taking them on the stern would have meant turning into shore.
But by turning and dropping power it would have worked. So doing the same
thing but taking them on the bow would have worked as well. Learn, learn,
learn.

I was also assuming adequate freeboard of your transom. My limited
experience is with RIBs which would have taken on water from a large
stern wave.

And if I may digress, I was very pleased with how my boat handled when
cutting some of the larger or more confsued wakes this weekend. She has a
fairly good vee going on and she cut them, even coming down off the top of
them right into another without any slamming or pounding. I don't know how
else to say it except it was very knife-like.

From the speeds you've mentioned, I don't know if yours is a planing
boat, but do you know about setting the trim to handle rough seas? I
feel a bit of a phoney talking about this, having just come off the RYA
course, and having no real sea experience, but we were shown to trim the
bow down when against the swell - thus putting the V-hull into the
waves, and to trim the bow up when powering with the swell, so as to
prevent the bow nose diving into the troughs when cresting a wave.

Learning this stuff somehow made the whole boating experience immensely
more enjoyable. Unfortunately It's going to be a while before I can put
it into practice, because we are not getting our own boat till we move
to New Zealand in a year or two.

--
Trevor Dennis
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From the speeds you've mentioned, I don't know if yours is a planing
boat, but do you know about setting the trim to handle rough seas? I
feel a bit of a phoney talking about this, having just come off the RYA
course, and having no real sea experience, but we were shown to trim the
bow down when against the swell - thus putting the V-hull into the
waves, and to trim the bow up when powering with the swell, so as to
prevent the bow nose diving into the troughs when cresting a wave.

Much appreciated info. Don't worry about whether you've had a chance to try
it or not, you're up front that you haven't tried it personally yet so
that's fair.

We'll be taking our course this fall/winter. Would have taken it sooner but
that's when the next one starts.

Yes, it's a planing hull with twin 5.7 Alpha I/Os. I haven't had it up over
30 knots yet but I may give it a shot this weekend depending on traffic and
water conditions. I think there will be plenty to learn about trimming it
properly.