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...........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*!
http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? |
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I think it's just a sign of a changing market. More people are interested
in a fair weather day outing. In that situation bow riders have more usable space. Bigger just means you can take more friends. Imho boats with cabins are clastrophobic in anything under about 28 ft anyway. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
... On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:35:20 GMT, "JamesgangNC" wrote: I think it's just a sign of a changing market. More people are interested in a fair weather day outing. In that situation bow riders have more usable space. Bigger just means you can take more friends. Imho boats with cabins are clastrophobic in anything under about 28 ft anyway. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? It seems imminently impractical, to me. I don't think it will reasonably carry any more people that the 19 footer... unless they are below decks... and below the aft seating area... next to or above the engines doesn't look good. Anyway, that aft area looks dangerous for use while under way. I think I'd be more prone to claustrophobia back there than I would in a cuddy. 640 HP with 150 gallons of gas? About 3.5 hours of joy at $500 plus? I think I'll pass on that little $127,000+ bundle of joy. It's the nautical equivalent of a Lincoln Navigator, which proves once again that P.T. Barnum was correct. |
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*JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Guess you've never been in a cabin, in summer, in the south, huh? |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:35:20 GMT, "JamesgangNC" wrote: I think it's just a sign of a changing market. More people are interested in a fair weather day outing. In that situation bow riders have more usable space. Bigger just means you can take more friends. Imho boats with cabins are clastrophobic in anything under about 28 ft anyway. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? It seems imminently impractical, to me. I don't think it will reasonably carry any more people that the 19 footer... unless they are below decks... and below the aft seating area... next to or above the engines doesn't look good. Anyway, that aft area looks dangerous for use while under way. I think I'd be more prone to claustrophobia back there than I would in a cuddy. 640 HP with 150 gallons of gas? About 3.5 hours of joy at $500 plus? I think I'll pass on that little $127,000+ bundle of joy. -- _ ___c \ _| \_ __\_| oooo \_____ ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage* http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide A bowrider is an inland lake boat and is not fit for even the Great Lakes because of the possibility of the bow driving down in large seas with water filling the bow and swamping the boat. The boat is not self draining but relies solely on a bilge pump. The aft seating, as you noted, is a total waste of space. I do not see the benefits of this boat as compared to a basic 21 foot bowrider selling for $75,000+ less. |
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There you go :-)
wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Guess you've never been in a cabin, in summer, in the south, huh? |
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Thought you just bought a bowrider and use it in the great lakes? Aren't
you up there in the great white north as we southerners call it? Not that I don't agree about a bowrider and waves, a bow rider is a fair weather boat only. When the waves are so bad that I'm worried about taking them over the bow then I'm not boating. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:35:20 GMT, "JamesgangNC" wrote: I think it's just a sign of a changing market. More people are interested in a fair weather day outing. In that situation bow riders have more usable space. Bigger just means you can take more friends. Imho boats with cabins are clastrophobic in anything under about 28 ft anyway. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? It seems imminently impractical, to me. I don't think it will reasonably carry any more people that the 19 footer... unless they are below decks... and below the aft seating area... next to or above the engines doesn't look good. Anyway, that aft area looks dangerous for use while under way. I think I'd be more prone to claustrophobia back there than I would in a cuddy. 640 HP with 150 gallons of gas? About 3.5 hours of joy at $500 plus? I think I'll pass on that little $127,000+ bundle of joy. -- _ ___c \ _| \_ __\_| oooo \_____ ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage* http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide A bowrider is an inland lake boat and is not fit for even the Great Lakes because of the possibility of the bow driving down in large seas with water filling the bow and swamping the boat. The boat is not self draining but relies solely on a bilge pump. The aft seating, as you noted, is a total waste of space. I do not see the benefits of this boat as compared to a basic 21 foot bowrider selling for $75,000+ less. |
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"JamesgangNC" wrote in message link.net... Thought you just bought a bowrider and use it in the great lakes? Aren't you up there in the great white north as we southerners call it? " Nope. Mine is a cuddy. Not that I don't agree about a bowrider and waves, a bow rider is a fair weather boat only. When the waves are so bad that I'm worried about taking them over the bow then I'm not boating. Neither am I....but sometimes storms happen unexpectedly as can rogue waves from passing boats. If you bury the bow or take a couple of waves into the bow with a bowrider you better start praying. ;-) " *JimH*" wrote in message ... "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:35:20 GMT, "JamesgangNC" wrote: I think it's just a sign of a changing market. More people are interested in a fair weather day outing. In that situation bow riders have more usable space. Bigger just means you can take more friends. Imho boats with cabins are clastrophobic in anything under about 28 ft anyway. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? It seems imminently impractical, to me. I don't think it will reasonably carry any more people that the 19 footer... unless they are below decks... and below the aft seating area... next to or above the engines doesn't look good. Anyway, that aft area looks dangerous for use while under way. I think I'd be more prone to claustrophobia back there than I would in a cuddy. 640 HP with 150 gallons of gas? About 3.5 hours of joy at $500 plus? I think I'll pass on that little $127,000+ bundle of joy. -- _ ___c \ _| \_ __\_| oooo \_____ ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage* http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide A bowrider is an inland lake boat and is not fit for even the Great Lakes because of the possibility of the bow driving down in large seas with water filling the bow and swamping the boat. The boat is not self draining but relies solely on a bilge pump. The aft seating, as you noted, is a total waste of space. I do not see the benefits of this boat as compared to a basic 21 foot bowrider selling for $75,000+ less. |
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"JamesgangNC" wrote in message nk.net... There you go :-) wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Guess you've never been in a cabin, in summer, in the south, huh? Guess you never heard of air conditioning, huh? |
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JamesgangNC wrote:
Thought you just bought a bowrider and use it in the great lakes? Aren't you up there in the great white north as we southerners call it? Not that I don't agree about a bowrider and waves, a bow rider is a fair weather boat only. When the waves are so bad that I'm worried about taking them over the bow then I'm not boating. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:35:20 GMT, "JamesgangNC" wrote: I think it's just a sign of a changing market. More people are interested in a fair weather day outing. In that situation bow riders have more usable space. Bigger just means you can take more friends. Imho boats with cabins are clastrophobic in anything under about 28 ft anyway. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? It seems imminently impractical, to me. I don't think it will reasonably carry any more people that the 19 footer... unless they are below decks... and below the aft seating area... next to or above the engines doesn't look good. Anyway, that aft area looks dangerous for use while under way. I think I'd be more prone to claustrophobia back there than I would in a cuddy. 640 HP with 150 gallons of gas? About 3.5 hours of joy at $500 plus? I think I'll pass on that little $127,000+ bundle of joy. -- _ ___c \ _| \_ __\_| oooo \_____ ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage* http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide A bowrider is an inland lake boat and is not fit for even the Great Lakes because of the possibility of the bow driving down in large seas with water filling the bow and swamping the boat. The boat is not self draining but relies solely on a bilge pump. The aft seating, as you noted, is a total waste of space. I do not see the benefits of this boat as compared to a basic 21 foot bowrider selling for $75,000+ less. Sir that's Boating. Go but a motor home. |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:09:52 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? I couldn't find any rod holders. Boo. -- John H "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan |
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*JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered. First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA. That brings us down to 30-feet. Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured. In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48" swim step. Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA. No doubt they'll catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they look at the boat. Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat. BTW, Crownline is building a pretty decent boat these days. They have two very elite "C" brands glancing nervously back over their corportae shoulders. |
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wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered. First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA. That brings us down to 30-feet. Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured. In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48" swim step. Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA. No doubt they'll catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they look at the boat. Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5 footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6". So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for $130,000. How attractive it that? Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat. Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats. If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck? BTW, Crownline is building a pretty decent boat these days. They have two very elite "C" brands glancing nervously back over their corportae shoulders. I never said anything to the contrary. My problem was with a company marketing a 30~31 foot bowrider. |
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*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered. First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA. That brings us down to 30-feet. Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured. In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48" swim step. Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA. No doubt they'll catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they look at the boat. Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5 footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6". So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for $130,000. How attractive it that? Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat. Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats. If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck? BTW, Crownline is building a pretty decent boat these days. They have two very elite "C" brands glancing nervously back over their corportae shoulders. I never said anything to the contrary. My problem was with a company marketing a 30~31 foot bowrider. *Jim*, you might want to take another vacation. I don't think Chuck was arguing with you. He *did* address the use of a bowrider in "open water", etc. by simply saying "Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather". Why are you picking a fight here? Dan |
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*JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered. First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA. That brings us down to 30-feet. Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured. In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48" swim step. Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA. No doubt they'll catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they look at the boat. Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5 footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6". So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for $130,000. How attractive it that? Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat. Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats. If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck? Because I don't boat on inland lakes during settled weather? I have yet to see a boat generate a rogue wave. Must be a Great Lakes thing. BTW, Crownline is building a pretty decent boat these days. They have two very elite "C" brands glancing nervously back over their corportae shoulders. I never said anything to the contrary. My problem was with a company marketing a 30~31 foot bowrider. And my point was that if you examine what you're being shown, it's really a 26-foot boat with an oversized swimstep. |
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wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered. First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA. That brings us down to 30-feet. Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured. In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48" swim step. Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA. No doubt they'll catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they look at the boat. Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5 footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6". So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for $130,000. How attractive it that? Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat. Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats. If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck? Because I don't boat on inland lakes during settled weather? I have yet to see a boat generate a rogue wave. Must be a Great Lakes thing. Rogue or not, I guess you missed the recent tourist boat tragedy in NY. |
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"Dan Krueger" wrote in message ink.net... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered. First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA. That brings us down to 30-feet. Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured. In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48" swim step. Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA. No doubt they'll catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they look at the boat. Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5 footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6". So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for $130,000. How attractive it that? Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat. Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats. If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck? BTW, Crownline is building a pretty decent boat these days. They have two very elite "C" brands glancing nervously back over their corportae shoulders. I never said anything to the contrary. My problem was with a company marketing a 30~31 foot bowrider. *Jim*, you might want to take another vacation. I don't think Chuck was arguing with you. He *did* address the use of a bowrider in "open water", etc. by simply saying "Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather". You are correct. |
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*JimH* wrote: wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered. First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA. That brings us down to 30-feet. Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured. In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48" swim step. Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA. No doubt they'll catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they look at the boat. Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5 footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6". So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for $130,000. How attractive it that? Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat. Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats. If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck? Because I don't boat on inland lakes during settled weather? I have yet to see a boat generate a rogue wave. Must be a Great Lakes thing. Rogue or not, I guess you missed the recent tourist boat tragedy in NY. Not at all. Out west here, boaters refer to such events as "wakes", not rogue waves. The tourist boat tragedy in NY could have been prevented if the boat were properly staffed. (The owner was trying to get by cheap and not hire the two crew members the CG required him to have). With two additional crew members, the skipper would have been more likely to maintain adequate "situational awareness" and adjust course so that he didn't take that huge wake directly on the beam. If nothing else, the port or starboard watch could say, "You do see that huge wake approacing, right?" |
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wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered. First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA. That brings us down to 30-feet. Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured. In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48" swim step. Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA. No doubt they'll catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they look at the boat. Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5 footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6". So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for $130,000. How attractive it that? Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat. Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats. If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck? Because I don't boat on inland lakes during settled weather? I have yet to see a boat generate a rogue wave. Must be a Great Lakes thing. Rogue or not, I guess you missed the recent tourist boat tragedy in NY. Not at all. Out west here, boaters refer to such events as "wakes", not rogue waves. I will accept your terminology. That does not, however, dismiss the possibility of such an event. Do you disagree Chuck? |
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" *JimH*" wrote in message
... "JamesgangNC" wrote in message link.net... Thought you just bought a bowrider and use it in the great lakes? Aren't you up there in the great white north as we southerners call it? " Nope. Mine is a cuddy. Not that I don't agree about a bowrider and waves, a bow rider is a fair weather boat only. When the waves are so bad that I'm worried about taking them over the bow then I'm not boating. Neither am I....but sometimes storms happen unexpectedly as can rogue waves from passing boats. If you bury the bow or take a couple of waves into the bow with a bowrider you better start praying. ;-) Actually, you should stop boating, drinking, and imagining yourself to be old enough to leave the house without an adult. |
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wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered. First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA. That brings us down to 30-feet. Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured. In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48" swim step. Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA. No doubt they'll catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they look at the boat. Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5 footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6". So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for $130,000. How attractive it that? Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat. Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats. If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck? Because I don't boat on inland lakes during settled weather? I have yet to see a boat generate a rogue wave. Must be a Great Lakes thing. Rogue or not, I guess you missed the recent tourist boat tragedy in NY. Not at all. Out west here, boaters refer to such events as "wakes", not rogue waves. The tourist boat tragedy in NY could have been prevented if the boat were properly staffed. (The owner was trying to get by cheap and not hire the two crew members the CG required him to have). With two additional crew members, the skipper would have been more likely to maintain adequate "situational awareness" and adjust course so that he didn't take that huge wake directly on the beam. If nothing else, the port or starboard watch could say, "You do see that huge wake approacing, right?" |
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*JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered. First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA. That brings us down to 30-feet. Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured. In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48" swim step. Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA. No doubt they'll catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they look at the boat. Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5 footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6". So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for $130,000. How attractive it that? Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat. Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats. If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck? Because I don't boat on inland lakes during settled weather? I have yet to see a boat generate a rogue wave. Must be a Great Lakes thing. Rogue or not, I guess you missed the recent tourist boat tragedy in NY. Not at all. Out west here, boaters refer to such events as "wakes", not rogue waves. I will accept your terminology. That does not, however, dismiss the possibility of such an event. Do you disagree Chuck? I agree that a bowrider falls into the category of "open boat." The operator of an open boat must remain alert to water conditions at all times. A bowrider has no business out in conditions where the wind is generating breaking waves that are likely to swamp the vessel. As far as wakes, or even a genuine "rogue wave", an alert operator will be able to deal with 99.999% of them by slowing down a bit and/or adjusting his course to quarter into the wave. The danger to an open boat is not so much the height of a wave as whether or not the wave has a propensity to break. You can go up and over a pretty steep wave or wake, but if the crest is higher than the gunwale *and* it starts to break you need to be lucky as well as able. After enough of those, (as in "you've got no darn business out here in these conditions") your luck will probably run out. I would always prefer a boat with a closed bow, myself, but millions of boaters on inland lakes will choose a boat based on an entirely different set of needs and preferances. (IIRC, that tourist boat was a catamaran, not a bow rider.) |
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(IIRC, that tourist boat was a catamaran, not a bow rider.)
Not at all. It was kind of a tubby, round bottom mono hull. The USCG started to do a stability test on a sistership by filling barrels with water on the gunnels. They had to stop about halfway through the test because they were already at the safety limit for maximum listing. USCG testing was not required for licensing because it was being operated on an inland lake, and the New York State certification standards were not nearly rigorous enough. Lots of blame to go around as it turns out. |
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My problem was with a company marketing a 30~31 foot bowrider. No, your problem *is* that you're a whiny little troll in desperate need of a life. Was hoping your recent dramatic exit from here was the start of a journey in pursuit of same. Apparently it was cut short. Suggest you resume at earliest opportunity. And, at very little risk of being out on a limb, I feel more than comfortable believing that the marketing types at Crownline have a much more accurate bead on the domestic boat market than you could ever hope to have, based on the sum total of boating knowledge you have demonstrated to this group. |
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If you keep it in a marina, you might pay for a few extra feet that
Crownline decided to market it as. I'd rather let a marina see the number 261LS than 316LS before they quoted me a price. That piece of bigger is better marketing might cost me 5 more feet or almost 20% more. John |
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*JimH* wrote: Rogue or not, I guess you missed the recent tourist boat tragedy in NY. That boat that capsized was a 30' bowrider??? |
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I have heard of air conditioning. And I'm familiar with how much power it
takes. A lot. Either you have a lot of batteries and don't run the ac for long or you have a generator. Neither is very practical in a smaller boat. " *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "JamesgangNC" wrote in message nk.net... There you go :-) wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Guess you've never been in a cabin, in summer, in the south, huh? Guess you never heard of air conditioning, huh? |
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"JamesgangNC" wrote in message link.net... I have heard of air conditioning. And I'm familiar with how much power it takes. A lot. Either you have a lot of batteries and don't run the ac for long or you have a generator. Neither is very practical in a smaller boat. " *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "JamesgangNC" wrote in message nk.net... There you go :-) wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Guess you've never been in a cabin, in summer, in the south, huh? Guess you never heard of air conditioning, huh? Folks don't spend much time in the small cabins in smaller boats. Heck, we use ours as a holding bin for our gear. I was addressing the cabin in a 32 foot cruiser as the initial discussion was about a 32 foot boat. And I was also talking about the time while dockside as that is generally the time one might be in the cabin. While dockside you have shorepower. Folks cruising or anchored generally don't spend time in the cabin, even to eat. So your discussion about the need for a genny or a large bank of batteries to run the AC is also a bit over the edge. And why are you now talking about small boats? |
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*JimH* wrote:
..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? A little big for me, they make nice boats. i guess if someone wants a big dayboat with some little cabin features it would appeal. Or if they want a bowrider on a very busy like like Lake-of-the-Ozarks and don't want to be beat to death on the weekends. I had been by my local Crownline dealer a couple of times in the last few months, they didn't have this there. Would have been interesting to look at. But it way to big for my wants. Capt Jack R.. |
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JamesgangNC wrote:
I have heard of air conditioning. And I'm familiar with how much power it takes. A lot. Either you have a lot of batteries and don't run the ac for long or you have a generator. Neither is very practical in a smaller boat. At present I have a Crownline 210ccr on Lake Hartwell- along the GA SC border. This is a 21ft cuddy cabin boat. first used on Lake Murry just outside of Columbia SC. We are currently selling it because we no longer need a boat with a pottie in it, thus we are going to a bowrider. That being said, we have found by opening the door to to cockpit and opening the hatch while on the hook a pleasent breeze blows through the cuddy and makes it very nice to take a little snooze. Personally I can't recall it ever being to hot in there, but I am sure there may have been a time or two. Nine years of usage in the south without air conditioning or the desire for it. Capt Jack R. " *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "JamesgangNC" wrote in message link.net... There you go :-) wrote in message egroups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Guess you've never been in a cabin, in summer, in the south, huh? Guess you never heard of air conditioning, huh? |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Jack Redington wrote: JamesgangNC wrote: I have heard of air conditioning. And I'm familiar with how much power it takes. A lot. Either you have a lot of batteries and don't run the ac for long or you have a generator. Neither is very practical in a smaller boat. At present I have a Crownline 210ccr on Lake Hartwell- along the GA SC border. This is a 21ft cuddy cabin boat. first used on Lake Murry just outside of Columbia SC. We are currently selling it because we no longer need a boat with a pottie in it, thus we are going to a bowrider. You've stopped having bowel movements? Funny how you would think of that. When we purchased our boat we were out in it all day. When it was not in use it sat on the trailer. On Lake Murry in SC there are not alot of public places to stop. Even after moving to the Atlanta area and boating on Lanier it was nice to have the cuddy. And at the time we purchased it our two daughters we ages .5 and three. So it suited us perfectly. At 3900lbs dry it was easy to trailer, with the cuddy was great for a full day out on the water with the family. Now we have a little getaway/weekend place on Lake Hartwell with a dock. Thus the kids are older and much of our time on the boat is now skiing and wandering and not so much just finding a nice cove to spend the day. If we are just going swimming, the dock has nice deep water. Our usage has changed, now so will the boat. Capt Jack R.. |
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 04:25:00 GMT, Jack Redington
wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jack Redington wrote: JamesgangNC wrote: I have heard of air conditioning. And I'm familiar with how much power it takes. A lot. Either you have a lot of batteries and don't run the ac for long or you have a generator. Neither is very practical in a smaller boat. At present I have a Crownline 210ccr on Lake Hartwell- along the GA SC border. This is a 21ft cuddy cabin boat. first used on Lake Murry just outside of Columbia SC. We are currently selling it because we no longer need a boat with a pottie in it, thus we are going to a bowrider. You've stopped having bowel movements? Funny how you would think of that. When we purchased our boat we were out in it all day. When it was not in use it sat on the trailer. On Lake Murry in SC there are not alot of public places to stop. Even after moving to the Atlanta area and boating on Lanier it was nice to have the cuddy. And at the time we purchased it our two daughters we ages .5 and three. So it suited us perfectly. At 3900lbs dry it was easy to trailer, with the cuddy was great for a full day out on the water with the family. Now we have a little getaway/weekend place on Lake Hartwell with a dock. Thus the kids are older and much of our time on the boat is now skiing and wandering and not so much just finding a nice cove to spend the day. If we are just going swimming, the dock has nice deep water. Our usage has changed, now so will the boat. Capt Jack R.. Give Harry a break. Anal fixation and NPD go hand in hand. -- John H "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan |
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If you don't spend any time in the cabin what is the point in having a
cabin. That's what this boat is about. I never saw the point in being in a docked boat. That's what I have a lake house for. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... "JamesgangNC" wrote in message link.net... I have heard of air conditioning. And I'm familiar with how much power it takes. A lot. Either you have a lot of batteries and don't run the ac for long or you have a generator. Neither is very practical in a smaller boat. " *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "JamesgangNC" wrote in message nk.net... There you go :-) wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Guess you've never been in a cabin, in summer, in the south, huh? Guess you never heard of air conditioning, huh? Folks don't spend much time in the small cabins in smaller boats. Heck, we use ours as a holding bin for our gear. I was addressing the cabin in a 32 foot cruiser as the initial discussion was about a 32 foot boat. And I was also talking about the time while dockside as that is generally the time one might be in the cabin. While dockside you have shorepower. Folks cruising or anchored generally don't spend time in the cabin, even to eat. So your discussion about the need for a genny or a large bank of batteries to run the AC is also a bit over the edge. And why are you now talking about small boats? |
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"JamesgangNC" wrote in message link.net... If you don't spend any time in the cabin what is the point in having a cabin. That's what this boat is about. I never saw the point in being in a docked boat. That's what I have a lake house for. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... "JamesgangNC" wrote in message link.net... I have heard of air conditioning. And I'm familiar with how much power it takes. A lot. Either you have a lot of batteries and don't run the ac for long or you have a generator. Neither is very practical in a smaller boat. " *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "JamesgangNC" wrote in message nk.net... There you go :-) wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Guess you've never been in a cabin, in summer, in the south, huh? Guess you never heard of air conditioning, huh? Folks don't spend much time in the small cabins in smaller boats. Heck, we use ours as a holding bin for our gear. I was addressing the cabin in a 32 foot cruiser as the initial discussion was about a 32 foot boat. And I was also talking about the time while dockside as that is generally the time one might be in the cabin. While dockside you have shorepower. Folks cruising or anchored generally don't spend time in the cabin, even to eat. So your discussion about the need for a genny or a large bank of batteries to run the AC is also a bit over the edge. And why are you now talking about small boats? As I said earlier we use ours for storage. It also provides privacy when doing our thing on the porta potty. Lastly, it gives us the option of an overnighter on the boat, cramped quarters and all. A lake house is great but it is stationary and expensive. No adventure there. When we had your 32 footer we comfortably spent nights in the cabin (we could easily sleep 4 adults and 2 children in the cabin), with AC or heat when at our or other docks, without it when on the hook. We also had a fully enclosed head with shower. While cruising we spent our time mainly in the cockpit enjoying the sunshine. The boat gave us an opportunity to explore various ports. The 32 foot bowrider offers no option for overnighting in relative comfort. It also looks like it provides the cockpit space of only a 23 foot bowrider. Everyone has different priorities on what they need on a boat. You obviously do no overnighting and stick to inland lake boating...........so a bowrider is perfect for you. We have a different agenda. Different strokes. There is no right or wrong there. That does not, however, dismiss the fact that this 32 foot bowrider is a bit of a stretch, even realizing that the manufacturer may produce quality boats. And *that* was my original point. Peace. |
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JamesgangNC wrote:
If you don't spend any time in the cabin what is the point in having a cabin. That's what this boat is about. I never saw the point in being in a docked boat. That's what I have a lake house for. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... "JamesgangNC" wrote in message thlink.net... I have heard of air conditioning. And I'm familiar with how much power it takes. A lot. Either you have a lot of batteries and don't run the ac for long or you have a generator. Neither is very practical in a smaller boat. " *JimH*" wrote in message om... "JamesgangNC" wrote in message thlink.net... There you go :-) wrote in message glegroups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Guess you've never been in a cabin, in summer, in the south, huh? Guess you never heard of air conditioning, huh? Folks don't spend much time in the small cabins in smaller boats. Heck, we use ours as a holding bin for our gear. I was addressing the cabin in a 32 foot cruiser as the initial discussion was about a 32 foot boat. And I was also talking about the time while dockside as that is generally the time one might be in the cabin. While dockside you have shorepower. Folks cruising or anchored generally don't spend time in the cabin, even to eat. So your discussion about the need for a genny or a large bank of batteries to run the AC is also a bit over the edge. And why are you now talking about small boats? Apparently Crownline is not the only one in the big bowrider market. http://www.cobaltboats.com/model_line/282/intro282.php Capt Jack R.. |
And the winner of the most ridiculous and overpriced boat award is.............
*JimH* wrote: "JamesgangNC" wrote in message link.net... If you don't spend any time in the cabin what is the point in having a cabin. That's what this boat is about. I never saw the point in being in a docked boat. That's what I have a lake house for. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... "JamesgangNC" wrote in message link.net... I have heard of air conditioning. And I'm familiar with how much power it takes. A lot. Either you have a lot of batteries and don't run the ac for long or you have a generator. Neither is very practical in a smaller boat. " *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "JamesgangNC" wrote in message nk.net... There you go :-) wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Guess you've never been in a cabin, in summer, in the south, huh? Guess you never heard of air conditioning, huh? Folks don't spend much time in the small cabins in smaller boats. Heck, we use ours as a holding bin for our gear. I was addressing the cabin in a 32 foot cruiser as the initial discussion was about a 32 foot boat. And I was also talking about the time while dockside as that is generally the time one might be in the cabin. While dockside you have shorepower. Folks cruising or anchored generally don't spend time in the cabin, even to eat. So your discussion about the need for a genny or a large bank of batteries to run the AC is also a bit over the edge. And why are you now talking about small boats? As I said earlier we use ours for storage. It also provides privacy when doing our thing on the porta potty. Lastly, it gives us the option of an overnighter on the boat, cramped quarters and all. A lake house is great but it is stationary and expensive. No adventure there. When we had your 32 footer we comfortably spent nights in the cabin (we could easily sleep 4 adults and 2 children in the cabin), with AC or heat when at our or other docks, without it when on the hook. We also had a fully enclosed head with shower. While cruising we spent our time mainly in the cockpit enjoying the sunshine. The boat gave us an opportunity to explore various ports. The 32 foot bowrider offers no option for overnighting in relative comfort. It also looks like it provides the cockpit space of only a 23 foot bowrider. Everyone has different priorities on what they need on a boat. You obviously do no overnighting and stick to inland lake boating...........so a bowrider is perfect for you. We have a different agenda. Different strokes. There is no right or wrong there. That does not, however, dismiss the fact that this 32 foot bowrider is a bit of a stretch, even realizing that the manufacturer may produce quality boats. And *that* was my original point. Peace. I got a look at the same boat, one size smaller this afternoon. Their boat at 26 LOA has a head in the port console. There is stowage *everywhere*. The larger boat apparently has a couple of single berths for overnight cruising, under the foward seating. The larger boat also has a built in entertainment system, etc. the 30-foot LOA boat (never was and never will be 32-feet) is almost an "open bow express cruiser" more than an open bow runabout- based on amenities. |
And the winner of the most ridiculous and overpriced boat award is.............
That's a whole lot of boat for a whole lot of money ;-)
" *JimH*" wrote in message ... ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? |
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