"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 6 Oct 2005 20:15:42 -0700, wrote:

There is no ham license requirement for having a **marine** SSB
onboard, only if you want to use it on the ham bands in a
non-emergency situation. In a true emergency, anything goes. A marine
SSB does require a license but it is a paper work formality requiring
no technical skills.

And there is that.

PS, a Beverage antenna has nothing to do with liquid refreshment :-)

LOL!!!

Yep.

Might take some beverage to climb an 800' mast.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote in message
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And I have climbed a 1,300' TV tower - that is an experience.

Yes it is. While in the Navy at a transmitter site in Annapolis, I climbed
a 1,200 ft ELF antenna. Metal ladder, all the way up. I did it because we
were horsing around with the civilian antenna maintenance people and the
subject came up about replacing the aircraft warning light. The civilians
were betting that none of us "swabbies" could climb the antenna and one
thing led to another and I got official permission to attempt it.

I found the problem was not so much going up - it was climbing back down
because you are supporting your weight more with your arms than your legs.

I made the top but halfway down I was not sure I could make it the rest of
the way. I did, but the arms were sore for a week.

Eisboch

Harry Krause wrote in message
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Was this one of those ELF antennae that also went deep into the ground?


I am not sure how deep into the ground they were, but there was an array of
wires buried from the base outward from the tower, like the spokes of a
wheel. As I recall, there were also smaller, 800 ft towers in a rough circle
surrounding the 1200 footer that supported radial antenna wires from the
1200 footer. For the ham enthusiast, the 1200 foot tower was the inductive
component and the parallel arrays where the capacitive component of the
antenna. The transmitter was a million watts and coupling from it to the
antenna was accomplished in a "helix" house with a huge, tunable coil. It
was used to communicate to submerged subs.

It has all been torn down now, but for many years the ELF transmitter site
at Annapolis and another one in Cutler, Maine were the only means of world
communications with deployed subs.

Eisboch (full of useless information)

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:17:19 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:07:51 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:34:01 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
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Was this one of those ELF antennae that also went deep into the ground?

I am not sure how deep into the ground they were, but there was an array of
wires buried from the base outward from the tower, like the spokes of a
wheel. As I recall, there were also smaller, 800 ft towers in a rough circle
surrounding the 1200 footer that supported radial antenna wires from the
1200 footer. For the ham enthusiast, the 1200 foot tower was the inductive
component and the parallel arrays where the capacitive component of the
antenna. The transmitter was a million watts and coupling from it to the
antenna was accomplished in a "helix" house with a huge, tunable coil. It
was used to communicate to submerged subs.

It has all been torn down now, but for many years the ELF transmitter site
at Annapolis and another one in Cutler, Maine were the only means of world
communications with deployed subs.

They still have one out in Wisconsin and Michigan I think.

The interesting thing about ELF is that it can take up to 2 hours, 53
minutes to receive one letter. The shortest is something on the order
of 15 minutes I think.

Been a while since I read up on it. I don't think they use the ELF
system anymore.

No ELFs? Next, you'll claim there is no Easter bunny.

Of course there are ELFs. They just don't use them anymore.

And there IS an Easter Bunny - he's cute, cuddly and votes Republican.

Hush, Harry will be up all Easter Eve night waiting for the little bugger to
come eat the scraps he put out on the grass!

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

Harry,
Even you must see the humor in this statement.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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For a buttwiper who is always asking whether I am "dogging" you, Herring,
you sure like to bring me into your conversations a lot.

Krause also follows me around like a little puppy dog.

He is just craving for attention and has never been house broken.


"Starbucker" wrote in message
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Harry,
Even you must see the humor in this statement.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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For a buttwiper who is always asking whether I am "dogging" you, Herring,
you sure like to bring me into your conversations a lot.

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:49:08 -0400, "Starbucker"
wrote:

Harry,
Even you must see the humor in this statement.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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For a buttwiper who is always asking whether I am "dogging" you, Herring,
you sure like to bring me into your conversations a lot.


Poor Harry!

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:45:21 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:


They still have one out in Wisconsin and Michigan I think.

According to this, they were shut down and disassembled recently (2004).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZEVS


The interesting thing about ELF is that it can take up to 2 hours, 53
minutes to receive one letter. The shortest is something on the order of
15 minutes I think.

I had to do a little reading on this. My thick skull couldn't fathom why
it would take so long, interesting stuff. A general overview:

http://www.elfrad.com/clam.htm

Been a while since I read up on it. I don't think they use the ELF system
anymore.

thunder wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:45:21 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:


They still have one out in Wisconsin and Michigan I think.

According to this, they were shut down and disassembled recently (2004).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZEVS


The interesting thing about ELF is that it can take up to 2 hours, 53
minutes to receive one letter. The shortest is something on the order
of
15 minutes I think.

I had to do a little reading on this. My thick skull couldn't fathom why
it would take so long, interesting stuff. A general overview:

http://www.elfrad.com/clam.htm

Been a while since I read up on it. I don't think they use the ELF
system
anymore.

I think I was in error when I identified the Annapolis site as an ELF
system. (it's been a long time). I believe it was a Very Low Frequency
(VLF) system, used for the same purpose but operated at slightly higher
frequencies. The antenna structure was very different than those described
at the Wisconsin and Michigan sites and basically transmitted a ground wave.

Eisboch

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:15:00 +0000, Eisboch wrote:


I think I was in error when I identified the Annapolis site as an ELF
system. (it's been a long time). I believe it was a Very Low Frequency
(VLF) system, used for the same purpose but operated at slightly higher
frequencies. The antenna structure was very different than those described
at the Wisconsin and Michigan sites and basically transmitted a ground
wave.

VLF or ELF, it was still a damn high climb. ;-)