"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
NOYB wrote:

Some have high earning power, but for very short periods of time.
Hawaiian
Tropic girls have moderate earning power...and for even shorter periods
of
time.
Now, I know that you being a rightie and all, you can't comprehend
this, but, just because they are women, and just because they are
beautiful, doesn't mean that they don't have the brains to invest their
money properly. Think Naomi Campbell is financially strapped?

Hey, take it up with Harry...not me. He's the one who was feeling all
sorry for them since they won't be attending college. I think it's
perfectly acceptable for a woman to sleep her way into money.



Secondly, please show what you know about the wages of Hawaiian Tropic
girls.
I know this, that at many venues where they appear, there is a $200
cover charge! And when they are picked, the winners get $10,000, and
that's before they ever make an appearance as a Tropic girl.

Wow! $10k! What do the losers get?


Thirdly, they usually go on to bigger and better paying modelling jobs.
Just like about any job, your earning power goes up the more experience
you have, and the brighter you get.

People don't get brighter with time. Sure, you develop more experience
as time elapses...but dim bulbs who have worked somewhere for a long time
are just dim bulbs with even more experience at being dim.

And Harry is the one who said that the ones that he met weren't
particularly bright.


No, I was not impressed with their intellectual assets. I'm not saying
they were dumb. They just weren't very sharp.


Who really cares? I'm a true believer in the fact that God bestowed certain
"talents" on each and every individual. Those girls' talent is the fact
that they're hot. They might as well use that talent now, and earn money
through beauty pageants, modelling, and snagging themselves a rich guy while
they can.

Smart and hot are not mutually exclusive. If they're smart *and* beautiful,
then they should use that deadly combo to reach the pinnacle of whatever
career they choose.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
NOYB wrote:

Some have high earning power, but for very short periods of time.
Hawaiian
Tropic girls have moderate earning power...and for even shorter
periods of
time.
Now, I know that you being a rightie and all, you can't comprehend
this, but, just because they are women, and just because they are
beautiful, doesn't mean that they don't have the brains to invest
their
money properly. Think Naomi Campbell is financially strapped?
Hey, take it up with Harry...not me. He's the one who was feeling all
sorry for them since they won't be attending college. I think it's
perfectly acceptable for a woman to sleep her way into money.



Secondly, please show what you know about the wages of Hawaiian Tropic
girls.
I know this, that at many venues where they appear, there is a $200
cover charge! And when they are picked, the winners get $10,000, and
that's before they ever make an appearance as a Tropic girl.
Wow! $10k! What do the losers get?


Thirdly, they usually go on to bigger and better paying modelling
jobs.
Just like about any job, your earning power goes up the more
experience
you have, and the brighter you get.
People don't get brighter with time. Sure, you develop more experience
as time elapses...but dim bulbs who have worked somewhere for a long
time are just dim bulbs with even more experience at being dim.

And Harry is the one who said that the ones that he met weren't
particularly bright.

No, I was not impressed with their intellectual assets. I'm not saying
they were dumb. They just weren't very sharp.


Who really cares? I'm a true believer in the fact that God bestowed
certain "talents" on each and every individual. Those girls' talent is
the fact that they're hot. They might as well use that talent now, and
earn money through beauty pageants, modelling, and snagging themselves a
rich guy while they can.

Smart and hot are not mutually exclusive. If they're smart *and*
beautiful, then they should use that deadly combo to reach the pinnacle
of whatever career they choose.


Oh, I don't begrudge them making some bucks using their looks. Why not?

Consider if you were in their position. You'd never pay for a drink at a
bar. You'd never have to touch a dirty door handle. You'd always have a
seat in a crowded room. You'd never starve for attention. You'd be every
man's favorite co-worker. Etc.

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On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 21:05:25 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
NOYB wrote:

Some have high earning power, but for very short periods of time.
Hawaiian
Tropic girls have moderate earning power...and for even shorter
periods of
time.
Now, I know that you being a rightie and all, you can't comprehend
this, but, just because they are women, and just because they are
beautiful, doesn't mean that they don't have the brains to invest
their
money properly. Think Naomi Campbell is financially strapped?
Hey, take it up with Harry...not me. He's the one who was feeling all
sorry for them since they won't be attending college. I think it's
perfectly acceptable for a woman to sleep her way into money.



Secondly, please show what you know about the wages of Hawaiian Tropic
girls.
I know this, that at many venues where they appear, there is a $200
cover charge! And when they are picked, the winners get $10,000, and
that's before they ever make an appearance as a Tropic girl.
Wow! $10k! What do the losers get?


Thirdly, they usually go on to bigger and better paying modelling
jobs.
Just like about any job, your earning power goes up the more
experience
you have, and the brighter you get.
People don't get brighter with time. Sure, you develop more experience
as time elapses...but dim bulbs who have worked somewhere for a long
time are just dim bulbs with even more experience at being dim.

And Harry is the one who said that the ones that he met weren't
particularly bright.

No, I was not impressed with their intellectual assets. I'm not saying
they were dumb. They just weren't very sharp.


Who really cares? I'm a true believer in the fact that God bestowed
certain "talents" on each and every individual. Those girls' talent is
the fact that they're hot. They might as well use that talent now, and
earn money through beauty pageants, modelling, and snagging themselves a
rich guy while they can.

Smart and hot are not mutually exclusive. If they're smart *and*
beautiful, then they should use that deadly combo to reach the pinnacle
of whatever career they choose.


Oh, I don't begrudge them making some bucks using their looks. Why not?

Consider if you were in their position. You'd never pay for a drink at a
bar. You'd never have to touch a dirty door handle. You'd always have a
seat in a crowded room. You'd never starve for attention. You'd be every
man's favorite co-worker. Etc.


Harry seems to think he deserves that treatment now.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

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On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:22:11 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"P Fritz" wrote in message
...

"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On 5 Oct 2005 11:48:34 -0700, wrote:


NOYB wrote:

Some have high earning power, but for very short periods of time.
Hawaiian
Tropic girls have moderate earning power...and for even shorter
periods
of
time.

Now, I know that you being a rightie and all, you can't comprehend
this, but, just because they are women, and just because they are
beautiful, doesn't mean that they don't have the brains to invest their
money properly. Think Naomi Campbell is financially strapped?

Secondly, please show what you know about the wages of Hawaiian Tropic
girls.
I know this, that at many venues where they appear, there is a $200
cover charge! And when they are picked, the winners get $10,000, and
that's before they ever make an appearance as a Tropic girl.

Thirdly, they usually go on to bigger and better paying modelling jobs.
Just like about any job, your earning power goes up the more experience
you have, and the brighter you get.

Are you trying to say that even entry level jobs are good jobs?

No......he's telling everyone why his earning power has not gone up ;-)


Actually, he's trying to claim that people get brighter with time and
experience. People are either smart or dumb. Time and experience will not
change that.


Nope. I think he was subtly praising Bush's economic policies which have
resulted in tremendous job growth, even though some may be entry level positions
at MacDonalds.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

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On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:29:54 -0400, DSK wrote:

NOYB wrote:
Actually, he's trying to claim that people get brighter with time and
experience. People are either smart or dumb. Time and experience will not
change that.


An interesting viewpoint. So what is your opinion of all the
neo-conservatives who claim they used to be liberals, but got smarter?

DSK

They started listening to something besides CNN.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

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On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:52:54 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
NOYB wrote:
Actually, he's trying to claim that people get brighter with time and
experience. People are either smart or dumb. Time and experience will
not change that.


An interesting viewpoint. So what is your opinion of all the
neo-conservatives who claim they used to be liberals, but got smarter?


They got wiser, not smarter.

Wisdom is intelligence paired with experience.

Liberals who stay liberal throughout their lives are either dumb or
sheltered. That is why all of those liberal college professors remain as
liberals throughout their lives...because they've never held a real job in
the real world. They're not dumb...but certainly sheltered.


Reagan said it well.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

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NOYB,
Kevin was born the way he was., he can't help himself.


"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"P Fritz" wrote in message
...

"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On 5 Oct 2005 11:48:34 -0700, wrote:


NOYB wrote:

Some have high earning power, but for very short periods of time.
Hawaiian
Tropic girls have moderate earning power...and for even shorter
periods
of
time.

Now, I know that you being a rightie and all, you can't comprehend
this, but, just because they are women, and just because they are
beautiful, doesn't mean that they don't have the brains to invest their
money properly. Think Naomi Campbell is financially strapped?

Secondly, please show what you know about the wages of Hawaiian Tropic
girls.
I know this, that at many venues where they appear, there is a $200
cover charge! And when they are picked, the winners get $10,000, and
that's before they ever make an appearance as a Tropic girl.

Thirdly, they usually go on to bigger and better paying modelling jobs.
Just like about any job, your earning power goes up the more experience
you have, and the brighter you get.

Are you trying to say that even entry level jobs are good jobs?

No......he's telling everyone why his earning power has not gone up
;-)


Actually, he's trying to claim that people get brighter with time and
experience. People are either smart or dumb. Time and experience will
not change that.

My Great Encounter with Hawaiian Tropic Babes
 

Actually, he's trying to claim that people get brighter with time and
experience. People are either smart or dumb. Time and experience will
not change that.


An interesting viewpoint. So what is your opinion of all the
neo-conservatives who claim they used to be liberals, but got smarter?


NOYB wrote:
They got wiser, not smarter.

Wisdom is intelligence paired with experience.


Good backpedal, with rhythm.
Let's see those judges cards: 9.2 9.4 8.8
;)


Liberals who stay liberal throughout their lives are either dumb or
sheltered.

Hmm. That's certainly a reasonable, rational, assessment, not
name-calling at all nosirree!

... That is why all of those liberal college professors remain as
liberals throughout their lives...because they've never held a real job in
the real world. They're not dumb...but certainly sheltered.


And the conservative college professors?

Let's just suppose that since you owe your current (claimed, but I'm not
disputing you just making sure the facts are on the board) profession to
a college education, the people who made it possible for you don't have
"real jobs"? I suppose their contribution to the economy... macro or on
the NOYB micro scale... is totally negligible?

DSK

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Harry Krause wrote:
o-worker. Etc.


Maybe you should hire one as a dental assistant.

Or at least start her off as a receptionist....then if she's willing,
provide support to help her advance.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
NOYB wrote:

Some have high earning power, but for very short periods of time.
Hawaiian
Tropic girls have moderate earning power...and for even shorter
periods of
time.
Now, I know that you being a rightie and all, you can't comprehend
this, but, just because they are women, and just because they are
beautiful, doesn't mean that they don't have the brains to invest
their
money properly. Think Naomi Campbell is financially strapped?
Hey, take it up with Harry...not me. He's the one who was feeling all
sorry for them since they won't be attending college. I think it's
perfectly acceptable for a woman to sleep her way into money.



Secondly, please show what you know about the wages of Hawaiian
Tropic
girls.
I know this, that at many venues where they appear, there is a $200
cover charge! And when they are picked, the winners get $10,000, and
that's before they ever make an appearance as a Tropic girl.
Wow! $10k! What do the losers get?


Thirdly, they usually go on to bigger and better paying modelling
jobs.
Just like about any job, your earning power goes up the more
experience
you have, and the brighter you get.
People don't get brighter with time. Sure, you develop more
experience as time elapses...but dim bulbs who have worked somewhere
for a long time are just dim bulbs with even more experience at being
dim.

And Harry is the one who said that the ones that he met weren't
particularly bright.
No, I was not impressed with their intellectual assets. I'm not saying
they were dumb. They just weren't very sharp.

Who really cares? I'm a true believer in the fact that God bestowed
certain "talents" on each and every individual. Those girls' talent is
the fact that they're hot. They might as well use that talent now, and
earn money through beauty pageants, modelling, and snagging themselves
a rich guy while they can.

Smart and hot are not mutually exclusive. If they're smart *and*
beautiful, then they should use that deadly combo to reach the pinnacle
of whatever career they choose.

Oh, I don't begrudge them making some bucks using their looks. Why not?

Consider if you were in their position. You'd never pay for a drink at a
bar. You'd never have to touch a dirty door handle. You'd always have a
seat in a crowded room. You'd never starve for attention. You'd be
every man's favorite co-worker. Etc.


Maybe you should hire one as a dental assistant.

My wife wouldn't like that very much. But it might help correct the huge
imbalance of female patients vs. male patients that I see.

My Great Encounter with Hawaiian Tropic Babes
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
Actually, he's trying to claim that people get brighter with time and
experience. People are either smart or dumb. Time and experience will
not change that.


An interesting viewpoint. So what is your opinion of all the
neo-conservatives who claim they used to be liberals, but got smarter?


They got wiser, not smarter.

Wisdom is intelligence paired with experience.

Liberals who stay liberal throughout their lives are either dumb or
sheltered. That is why all of those liberal college professors remain as
liberals throughout their lives...because they've never held a real job in
the real world. They're not dumb...but certainly sheltered.

It also explains the Kennedy types, and the hollywood crowd.

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NOYB,
Is it possible you have more female patients due to your "additional"
services you provide for free?


"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
NOYB wrote:

Some have high earning power, but for very short periods of time.
Hawaiian
Tropic girls have moderate earning power...and for even shorter
periods of
time.
Now, I know that you being a rightie and all, you can't comprehend
this, but, just because they are women, and just because they are
beautiful, doesn't mean that they don't have the brains to invest
their
money properly. Think Naomi Campbell is financially strapped?
Hey, take it up with Harry...not me. He's the one who was feeling
all sorry for them since they won't be attending college. I think
it's perfectly acceptable for a woman to sleep her way into money.



Secondly, please show what you know about the wages of Hawaiian
Tropic
girls.
I know this, that at many venues where they appear, there is a $200
cover charge! And when they are picked, the winners get $10,000,
and
that's before they ever make an appearance as a Tropic girl.
Wow! $10k! What do the losers get?


Thirdly, they usually go on to bigger and better paying modelling
jobs.
Just like about any job, your earning power goes up the more
experience
you have, and the brighter you get.
People don't get brighter with time. Sure, you develop more
experience as time elapses...but dim bulbs who have worked somewhere
for a long time are just dim bulbs with even more experience at
being dim.

And Harry is the one who said that the ones that he met weren't
particularly bright.
No, I was not impressed with their intellectual assets. I'm not
saying they were dumb. They just weren't very sharp.

Who really cares? I'm a true believer in the fact that God bestowed
certain "talents" on each and every individual. Those girls' talent
is the fact that they're hot. They might as well use that talent now,
and earn money through beauty pageants, modelling, and snagging
themselves a rich guy while they can.

Smart and hot are not mutually exclusive. If they're smart *and*
beautiful, then they should use that deadly combo to reach the
pinnacle of whatever career they choose.

Oh, I don't begrudge them making some bucks using their looks. Why not?

Consider if you were in their position. You'd never pay for a drink at
a bar. You'd never have to touch a dirty door handle. You'd always
have a seat in a crowded room. You'd never starve for attention. You'd
be every man's favorite co-worker. Etc.


Maybe you should hire one as a dental assistant.

My wife wouldn't like that very much. But it might help correct the huge
imbalance of female patients vs. male patients that I see.

My Great Encounter with Hawaiian Tropic Babes
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Actually, he's trying to claim that people get brighter with time and
experience. People are either smart or dumb. Time and experience will
not change that.


An interesting viewpoint. So what is your opinion of all the
neo-conservatives who claim they used to be liberals, but got smarter?


NOYB wrote:
They got wiser, not smarter.

Wisdom is intelligence paired with experience.


Good backpedal, with rhythm.
Let's see those judges cards: 9.2 9.4 8.8
;)


Liberals who stay liberal throughout their lives are either dumb or
sheltered.

Hmm. That's certainly a reasonable, rational, assessment, not name-calling
at all nosirree!

... That is why all of those liberal college professors remain as
liberals throughout their lives...because they've never held a real job
in the real world. They're not dumb...but certainly sheltered.


And the conservative college professors?

Most have held a job in the business world...or lived an equally sheltered
life but were raised in a Republican household.



Let's just suppose that since you owe your current (claimed, but I'm not
disputing you just making sure the facts are on the board) profession to a
college education, the people who made it possible for you don't have
"real jobs"? I suppose their contribution to the economy... macro or on
the NOYB micro scale... is totally negligible?

The best instructors at the dental school also held part-time faculty
practices.

Teaching is a noble profession. But at the college level, a good teacher
needs real world experience to truly be effective.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:
o-worker. Etc.


Maybe you should hire one as a dental assistant.

Or at least start her off as a receptionist....then if she's willing,
provide support to help her advance.

Oddly, most receptionists start off as dental assistants and choose to move
to the front office...not the other way around.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
o-worker. Etc.


Maybe you should hire one as a dental assistant.

Or at least start her off as a receptionist....then if she's willing,
provide support to help her advance.


There you go...and I am sure it would promote marital bliss in NOYB's
household...

Way back when, I worked for an ad agency run by a real genius of the
business, EXCEPT...he kept hiring gorgeous secretaries and then started
sleeping with them, and his wives kept finding out. Why? Because each of
his three wives (when I knew him) had worked at the agency as his
secretary.

I have a friend who married one of his patients. Years later, in casual
conversation he confided in her that he used to look down her blouse every
time she came in to have dental work done. Big mistake! She automatically
(and probably correctly so) assumed that he looked down the shirts of all
his attractive female patients.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Actually, he's trying to claim that people get brighter with time and
experience. People are either smart or dumb. Time and experience
will
not change that.


An interesting viewpoint. So what is your opinion of all the
neo-conservatives who claim they used to be liberals, but got smarter?


NOYB wrote:
They got wiser, not smarter.

Wisdom is intelligence paired with experience.


Good backpedal, with rhythm.
Let's see those judges cards: 9.2 9.4 8.8
;)


Liberals who stay liberal throughout their lives are either dumb or
sheltered.

Hmm. That's certainly a reasonable, rational, assessment, not
name-calling
at all nosirree!

... That is why all of those liberal college professors remain as
liberals throughout their lives...because they've never held a real job
in the real world. They're not dumb...but certainly sheltered.


And the conservative college professors?

Most have held a job in the business world...or lived an equally sheltered
life but were raised in a Republican household.



Let's just suppose that since you owe your current (claimed, but I'm not
disputing you just making sure the facts are on the board) profession to
a
college education, the people who made it possible for you don't have
"real jobs"? I suppose their contribution to the economy... macro or on
the NOYB micro scale... is totally negligible?

The best instructors at the dental school also held part-time faculty
practices.

Teaching is a noble profession. But at the college level, a good teacher
needs real world experience to truly be effective.

Exactly......the best preof I had were the part timers that were "in" the
profession.......the worst were the ones that had never worked a day in
their lives......having gone straight from graduation to teaching........and
many of them are still there.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:
o-worker. Etc.


Maybe you should hire one as a dental assistant.

Or at least start her off as a receptionist....then if she's willing,
provide support to help her advance.

Oddly, most receptionists start off as dental assistants and choose to
move
to the front office...not the other way around.



That is true of my denist's office.

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And the conservative college professors?


NOBBY wrote:
Most have held a job in the business world...or lived an equally sheltered
life but were raised in a Republican household.


I see... in NOBBY-World, only conservative college professors have ever
held jobs outside academia, and children of Republicans always grow up
to be conservatives...

Wait a minute, wasn't it you that pointed out something about Darwin and
pangenesis?
;)


The best instructors at the dental school also held part-time faculty
practices.


I think that's true in any field. Certainly in engineering & medicine.
And yet, somehow about 99% of the engineering profs I currently know are
pretty strongly anti-Bush/Cheney. Does that make them "sheltered liberals"?




Teaching is a noble profession. But at the college level, a good teacher
needs real world experience to truly be effective.


Agreed, and IMHO experience in the field is necessary for anything above
the grammar school level.

BTW please read the current Jane Bryan Quinn column about the housing
market. She's right on the money.

DSK

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"Starbuck's Words of Wisdom" wrote in message
...
NOYB,
Is it possible you have more female patients due to your "additional"
services you provide for free?

Naww. There are several reasons why I believe that I see many more women
than men:

1) A lot of dentistry is elective today. Women are much more likely to have
cosmetic work done.

2) Women live longer. Many of the female patients are recently widowed.

3) Men usually wait until something hurts or falls out before going to the
doctor/dentist

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"P Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:
o-worker. Etc.


Maybe you should hire one as a dental assistant.

Or at least start her off as a receptionist....then if she's willing,
provide support to help her advance.

Oddly, most receptionists start off as dental assistants and choose to
move
to the front office...not the other way around.



That is true of my denist's office.

I have to pay my assistant more than my front office. Assistants are in
higher demand.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...

And the conservative college professors?


NOBBY wrote:
Most have held a job in the business world...or lived an equally
sheltered life but were raised in a Republican household.


I see... in NOBBY-World, only conservative college professors have ever
held jobs outside academia, and children of Republicans always grow up to
be conservatives...

Wait a minute, wasn't it you that pointed out something about Darwin and
pangenesis?
;)


The best instructors at the dental school also held part-time faculty
practices.


I think that's true in any field. Certainly in engineering & medicine. And
yet, somehow about 99% of the engineering profs I currently know are
pretty strongly anti-Bush/Cheney. Does that make them "sheltered
liberals"?

That is more a matter of demographics than anything else. The engineering
profs that I knew were almost all Republican conservatives. Of course, my
school (Purdue) was in the reddest of towns in the reddest of states.





Teaching is a noble profession. But at the college level, a good teacher
needs real world experience to truly be effective.


Agreed, and IMHO experience in the field is necessary for anything above
the grammar school level.

BTW please read the current Jane Bryan Quinn column about the housing
market. She's right on the money.

Send me a link.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"P Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:
o-worker. Etc.


Maybe you should hire one as a dental assistant.

Or at least start her off as a receptionist....then if she's willing,
provide support to help her advance.

Oddly, most receptionists start off as dental assistants and choose to
move
to the front office...not the other way around.



That is true of my denist's office.

I have to pay my assistant more than my front office. Assistants are in
higher demand.

My denitst's front office people were once his assistants.......I think they
made the move when they got married / had kids......he was more flexible WRT
time off etc.......plus, they act as a backup when his assistant calls in
sick.

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BTW please read the current Jane Bryan Quinn column about the housing
market. She's right on the money.


Send me a link.



I gotta do everything around here (grumble grumble)
Is your Google broken this morning?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9555157/site/newsweek/

You'll like much of what she says, but will definitely not like other
things. Overall I've found her to be a good source

DSK

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The best instructors at the dental school also held part-time faculty
practices.


I think that's true in any field. Certainly in engineering & medicine. And
yet, somehow about 99% of the engineering profs I currently know are
pretty strongly anti-Bush/Cheney. Does that make them "sheltered
liberals"?


NOYB wrote:
That is more a matter of demographics than anything else. The engineering
profs that I knew were almost all Republican conservatives. Of course, my
school (Purdue) was in the reddest of towns in the reddest of states.


Engineers in general tend to be pretty conservative. But that doesn't
make them flaming right-wing dumbasses.

DSK

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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
o-worker. Etc.


Maybe you should hire one as a dental assistant.

Or at least start her off as a receptionist....then if she's willing,
provide support to help her advance.


There you go...and I am sure it would promote marital bliss in NOYB's
household...

Way back when, I worked for an ad agency run by a real genius of the
business, EXCEPT...he kept hiring gorgeous secretaries and then started
sleeping with them, and his wives kept finding out. Why? Because each of
his three wives (when I knew him) had worked at the agency as his
secretary.

I have a friend who married one of his patients. Years later, in casual
conversation he confided in her that he used to look down her blouse every
time she came in to have dental work done. Big mistake! She
automatically (and probably correctly so) assumed that he looked down the
shirts of all his attractive female patients.



OK, first, so what! If a woman wears a dress or shirt that leaves breast
and breast cleavage uncovered, they darn well better be realistic about the
fact that every male on this planet is going to look at the bared skin.
Again, so what!

Now the guy is a dufus for telling his wife the obvious when she was content
to move along her life path without thinking about it.

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Harry Krause wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote:

wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Lars Johansson wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

I had an hour to kill Sunday night before my flight back to the
states,
so I plopped down in the Honolulu airport bar ...


I did not know that Hawaii had left the Union (yet). ;)
/Lars J




Ahh, yes, well, then, the contiguous States...



Harry, they just aren't bright enough to figure out that you meant the
mainland.

Like a little freakin' puppy dog, Kevin returns...



Go blow your nose, Dan. It's full of snot.

Do you read his posts? Aside from the fact that he is constantly in
your shadow, he *rarely* posts anything on-topic and *often* posts
vulgar flames.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
BTW please read the current Jane Bryan Quinn column about the housing
market. She's right on the money.


Send me a link.



I gotta do everything around here (grumble grumble)
Is your Google broken this morning?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9555157/site/newsweek/

You'll like much of what she says, but will definitely not like other
things. Overall I've found her to be a good source

Good article. She's pretty much on the money.

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Harry,
Even Gould thinks you have lost all of your debates years ago. Why don't
you just move onto another venue where people don't know your lies. You
might be able to impress people in another group.



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dan Krueger wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote:

wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Lars Johansson wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

I had an hour to kill Sunday night before my flight back to the
states,
so I plopped down in the Honolulu airport bar ...


I did not know that Hawaii had left the Union (yet). ;)
/Lars J




Ahh, yes, well, then, the contiguous States...



Harry, they just aren't bright enough to figure out that you meant the
mainland.

Like a little freakin' puppy dog, Kevin returns...



Go blow your nose, Dan. It's full of snot.

Do you read his posts? Aside from the fact that he is constantly in your
shadow, he *rarely* posts anything on-topic and *often* posts vulgar
flames.


Fritz, Robbins, "Smithers," Jackoff and several other righties rarely post
anything on topic, and they engage in flames. I haven't noticed you
pulling them up by their short hairs.

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"Starbuck's Words of Wisdom" wrote in message
...
Harry,
Even Gould thinks you have lost all of your debates years ago. Why don't
you just move onto another venue where people don't know your lies. You
might be able to impress people in another group.



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dan Krueger wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote:

wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Lars Johansson wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

I had an hour to kill Sunday night before my flight back to the
states,
so I plopped down in the Honolulu airport bar ...


I did not know that Hawaii had left the Union (yet). ;)
/Lars J




Ahh, yes, well, then, the contiguous States...



Harry, they just aren't bright enough to figure out that you meant
the
mainland.

Like a little freakin' puppy dog, Kevin returns...



Go blow your nose, Dan. It's full of snot.

Do you read his posts? Aside from the fact that he is constantly in
your shadow, he *rarely* posts anything on-topic and *often* posts
vulgar flames.


Fritz, Robbins, "Smithers," Jackoff and several other righties rarely
post anything on topic, and they engage in flames. I haven't noticed you
pulling them up by their short hairs.

You can go over to the corner and cry some more if it will make you feel
better Harry. Or, you can just cry right where you are now.

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NOYB wrote:
Good article. She's pretty much on the money.


Did you read the part about how houses are not good investments, and the
risks of 'decline in relative value' is the way she put it, I believe.
Florida is also one of the places identified with over-inflated house
values. I'm a little curious why you so amiably agree with an article
that flat-out contradicts almost everything you were claiming a while back.

** * ** quote ** * **
Most homeowners imagine that their properties will make them rich. But
except in unusual periods, homes aren't terrific investments. Since
1980, the price on the median house has risen only 1.46 percent a year,
adjusted for inflation, compared with 9.2 percent for stocks. Homes are
even less profitable if you deduct the cost of taxes, insurance, upkeep,
remodeling and repair.
** * ** end quote ** * **

I don't know where she got those figures, I've gotten returns in the low
teens from my stock investments, although there were a few flat periods
in there.

** * ** quote ** * **
What will happen to your life if the value of your home flattens or falls?

Nothing, if you stay in the house and keep making mortgage payments. The
only change is that you'll go back to building equity the old-fashioned
way—by paying down your mortgage loan.

It's a bad time to borrow the equity out of your house or to buy a house
with no money down. If you had to resell—because you changed your job,
lost it or divorced—you might find yourself with no money left (or owing
money to the bank). Once prices soften, they tend to stay soft for a
long time, Zandi says.
** * ** end quote ** * **

Another way of putting that is to say 'prices are sticky' and it tends
to hold for both ends of the spectrum. We all know examples of people
trying to sell cars, boats, etc etc, for what they think it's worth, and
holding it for a long long time trying to attract offers.

Here's the advice for your brother:
** * ** quote ** * **
But don't sit in a rental waiting for prices to drop so you can buy
something cheap. Prices might not drop. What's more, you'd be losing
your chance to stabilize your long-term homeowning costs, Sinai says. If
you expect to keep the home for at least four or five years, there's
more risk to staying out of the market than getting in.

Get in with a plain-vanilla fixed-rate or adjustable-rate loan.
Mortgages that let you pay only the interest (or less) each month are
bull-market dreams. A few years from now, payments on those loans will
jump—a problem you may be expecting to solve by refinancing or selling
out. But if prices flatten, you'll get trapped. I'm not saying they
will—only that it's a good time to shore up your finances, just in case.
** * ** end quote ** * **

Notice that she talks about prices flattening, not crashing.

You might want to take a look at what the projected median income in
your town will be in ten years, and think about whether or not it's a
good time to take your gains and go find something you can really
afford. Just a little friendly advice.

DSK

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"Starbuck's Words of Wisdom" wrote in message
...
Harry,
Even Gould thinks you have lost all of your debates years ago. Why don't
you just move onto another venue where people don't know your lies. You
might be able to impress people in another group.

But that is why he is here.

Krause would be eaten alive in a "real" political group.

His debating skills, or lack there of, are nothing more than mud slinging.
He makes no real points...just pointless name-calling, and edited quotes.

Even fellow democrats are ashamed of him because his grade school tactics.

Add the fact that he is a habitual liar, and, well, you get the picture...


--
-Netsock

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."
http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

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Harry,

The last time you challenged someone to post personal info in rec.boats you
were extremely upset when he meet your challenge. Now you are back to your
old games of challenging people to provide personal info concerning you and
where you live. Be very very careful what you wish for.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Netsock wrote:

Krause would be eaten alive in a "real" political group.

His debating skills, or lack there of, are nothing more than mud
slinging.
He makes no real points...just pointless name-calling, and edited quotes.

Even fellow democrats are ashamed of him because his grade school
tactics.

Add the fact that he is a habitual liar, and, well, you get the
picture...



I'm still waiting to see that photo of my house you claim you have,
drippy. And I don't mean the rooftop view from the satellite shot I posted
here. Or was this just another of your fantasies?

Poor little Netslut.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
Good article. She's pretty much on the money.


Did you read the part about how houses are not good investments, and the
risks of 'decline in relative value' is the way she put it, I believe.
Florida is also one of the places identified with over-inflated house
values. I'm a little curious why you so amiably agree with an article that
flat-out contradicts almost everything you were claiming a while back.

"But except in unusual periods, homes aren't terrific investments. "

(We're in an unusual period, and Naples is a unique place.)

" In Zandi's forecast, a handful of markets face declines of 10 percent or
more (southeast Florida, San Diego, Phoenix, Las Vegas and coastal New
Jersey), with another two dozen falling by 5 percent. "

(I'm in Southwest Florida, not southeast Florida. But right now my house
appraises for 65.7% more than when I bought it 18 months ago. If prices
drop 10%, my house is still up 50% from where I bought it. In 18 months!)


"What will happen to your life if the value of your home flattens or falls?

Nothing, if you stay in the house and keep making mortgage payments."

(This is exactly why I was arguing that your home is very safe investment.)



** * ** quote ** * **
Most homeowners imagine that their properties will make them rich. But
except in unusual periods, homes aren't terrific investments. Since 1980,
the price on the median house has risen only 1.46 percent a year, adjusted
for inflation, compared with 9.2 percent for stocks. Homes are even less
profitable if you deduct the cost of taxes, insurance, upkeep, remodeling
and repair.
** * ** end quote ** * **

I don't know where she got those figures, I've gotten returns in the low
teens from my stock investments, although there were a few flat periods in
there.

** * ** quote ** * **
What will happen to your life if the value of your home flattens or falls?

Nothing, if you stay in the house and keep making mortgage payments. The
only change is that you'll go back to building equity the old-fashioned
way—by paying down your mortgage loan.

It's a bad time to borrow the equity out of your house or to buy a house
with no money down. If you had to resell—because you changed your job,
lost it or divorced—you might find yourself with no money left (or owing
money to the bank). Once prices soften, they tend to stay soft for a long
time, Zandi says.
** * ** end quote ** * **

Another way of putting that is to say 'prices are sticky' and it tends to
hold for both ends of the spectrum. We all know examples of people trying
to sell cars, boats, etc etc, for what they think it's worth, and holding
it for a long long time trying to attract offers.

Here's the advice for your brother:
** * ** quote ** * **
But don't sit in a rental waiting for prices to drop so you can buy
something cheap. Prices might not drop. What's more, you'd be losing your
chance to stabilize your long-term homeowning costs, Sinai says. If you
expect to keep the home for at least four or five years, there's more risk
to staying out of the market than getting in.

Get in with a plain-vanilla fixed-rate or adjustable-rate loan. Mortgages
that let you pay only the interest (or less) each month are bull-market
dreams. A few years from now, payments on those loans will jump—a problem
you may be expecting to solve by refinancing or selling out. But if prices
flatten, you'll get trapped. I'm not saying they will—only that it's a
good time to shore up your finances, just in case.
** * ** end quote ** * **

My brother is getting a 7-year fixed interest only mortgage. In 7 years, he
should be earning quite a bit more than he currently earns. If not, he will
sell the place and look for a new job before then. Even if prices correct,
they should rebound to present levels by then.





Notice that she talks about prices flattening, not crashing.

That's the biggest part of her article that I agree with.



You might want to take a look at what the projected median income in your
town will be in ten years, and think about whether or not it's a good time
to take your gains and go find something you can really afford. Just a
little friendly advice.

I can afford this house just fine. I have an additional $1100/mo. in
disposable income right now if I pay interest only. I could apply that
money towards the principle...or sock it away to save for the day 5 years
from now when my rate increases.

Of course, in less than 4 years my business loan is paid off and I should
have an additional $50k/year in disposable income at that point.


You worry too much.

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NOYB wrote:
"But except in unusual periods, homes aren't terrific investments. "

(We're in an unusual period, and Naples is a unique place.)

Yeah yeah, *every* time & place is unique & exceptional.


" In Zandi's forecast, a handful of markets face declines of 10 percent or
more (southeast Florida, San Diego, Phoenix, Las Vegas and coastal New
Jersey), with another two dozen falling by 5 percent. "

(I'm in Southwest Florida, not southeast Florida. But right now my house
appraises for 65.7% more than when I bought it 18 months ago. If prices
drop 10%, my house is still up 50% from where I bought it. In 18 months!)


You missed the "or more" part, didn't you? What could you rent your
house for? What is the median income for families in your county? What
are the local schools like?

Fundamentals never change, that's why they're fundamentals. It could be
that your house is not a fiscal trap. But you're playing right into the
trap if it is.





"What will happen to your life if the value of your home flattens or falls?

Nothing, if you stay in the house and keep making mortgage payments."

(This is exactly why I was arguing that your home is very safe investment.)


And if your income doesn't go up as planned? Or if (as I suspect will be
the case) we're headed into a time frame where inflation outstrips
income growth?


My brother is getting a 7-year fixed interest only mortgage.

You mean, like JBQ said not to?

... In 7 years, he
should be earning quite a bit more than he currently earns.

Yeah, so should we all.

... If not, he will
sell the place and look for a new job before then. Even if prices correct,
they should rebound to present levels by then.

tsk tsk tsk... you don't believe the trap is real, even when you see the
video and listen to the survivor's screams.

I can afford this house just fine. I have an additional $1100/mo. in
disposable income right now if I pay interest only.

And *if* you invest all of it in something that pays higher returns than
you're mortgage interest... like say a high yield bond fund... although
remember to factor in taxes coming & going... then you can come out ahead.




Of course, in less than 4 years my business loan is paid off and I should
have an additional $50k/year in disposable income at that point.


Or you could be shopping around to refinance it.


You worry too much.


Nope, I just try to keep from getting caught in the obvious traps. And
in this case, try to warn you. I can't believe you actually read any of
that article and then go back to stubbornly saying the things you do.

"Try to learn from the mistakes of others, life isn't long enough for
you to have time to make them all yourself." - author unknown, but a
very good quote.

DSK

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On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:12:38 -0400, "Starbuck's Words of Wisdom"
wrote:

Harry,

The last time you challenged someone to post personal info in rec.boats you
were extremely upset when he meet your challenge. Now you are back to your
old games of challenging people to provide personal info concerning you and
where you live. Be very very careful what you wish for.


He's easily ignoreable!


--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:29:49 -0400, DSK wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"But except in unusual periods, homes aren't terrific investments. "

(We're in an unusual period, and Naples is a unique place.)

Yeah yeah, *every* time & place is unique & exceptional.


" In Zandi's forecast, a handful of markets face declines of 10 percent or
more (southeast Florida, San Diego, Phoenix, Las Vegas and coastal New
Jersey), with another two dozen falling by 5 percent. "

(I'm in Southwest Florida, not southeast Florida. But right now my house
appraises for 65.7% more than when I bought it 18 months ago. If prices
drop 10%, my house is still up 50% from where I bought it. In 18 months!)


You missed the "or more" part, didn't you? What could you rent your
house for? What is the median income for families in your county? What
are the local schools like?

Fundamentals never change, that's why they're fundamentals. It could be
that your house is not a fiscal trap. But you're playing right into the
trap if it is.





"What will happen to your life if the value of your home flattens or falls?

Nothing, if you stay in the house and keep making mortgage payments."

(This is exactly why I was arguing that your home is very safe investment.)


And if your income doesn't go up as planned? Or if (as I suspect will be
the case) we're headed into a time frame where inflation outstrips
income growth?


My brother is getting a 7-year fixed interest only mortgage.

You mean, like JBQ said not to?

... In 7 years, he
should be earning quite a bit more than he currently earns.

Yeah, so should we all.

... If not, he will
sell the place and look for a new job before then. Even if prices correct,
they should rebound to present levels by then.

tsk tsk tsk... you don't believe the trap is real, even when you see the
video and listen to the survivor's screams.

I can afford this house just fine. I have an additional $1100/mo. in
disposable income right now if I pay interest only.

And *if* you invest all of it in something that pays higher returns than
you're mortgage interest... like say a high yield bond fund... although
remember to factor in taxes coming & going... then you can come out ahead.




Of course, in less than 4 years my business loan is paid off and I should
have an additional $50k/year in disposable income at that point.


Or you could be shopping around to refinance it.


You worry too much.


Nope, I just try to keep from getting caught in the obvious traps. And
in this case, try to warn you. I can't believe you actually read any of
that article and then go back to stubbornly saying the things you do.

"Try to learn from the mistakes of others, life isn't long enough for
you to have time to make them all yourself." - author unknown, but a
very good quote.

DSK


You continue to prove how much you wish you'd bought a house in Naples and
watched it double, triple, or quadruple in value.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

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"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:29:49 -0400, DSK wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"But except in unusual periods, homes aren't terrific investments. "

(We're in an unusual period, and Naples is a unique place.)

Yeah yeah, *every* time & place is unique & exceptional.


" In Zandi's forecast, a handful of markets face declines of 10 percent
or
more (southeast Florida, San Diego, Phoenix, Las Vegas and coastal New
Jersey), with another two dozen falling by 5 percent. "

(I'm in Southwest Florida, not southeast Florida. But right now my
house
appraises for 65.7% more than when I bought it 18 months ago. If
prices
drop 10%, my house is still up 50% from where I bought it. In 18
months!)


You missed the "or more" part, didn't you? What could you rent your
house for? What is the median income for families in your county? What
are the local schools like?

Fundamentals never change, that's why they're fundamentals. It could be
that your house is not a fiscal trap. But you're playing right into the
trap if it is.





"What will happen to your life if the value of your home flattens or
falls?

Nothing, if you stay in the house and keep making mortgage payments."

(This is exactly why I was arguing that your home is very safe
investment.)


And if your income doesn't go up as planned? Or if (as I suspect will be
the case) we're headed into a time frame where inflation outstrips
income growth?


My brother is getting a 7-year fixed interest only mortgage.

You mean, like JBQ said not to?

... In 7 years, he
should be earning quite a bit more than he currently earns.

Yeah, so should we all.

... If not, he will
sell the place and look for a new job before then. Even if prices
correct,
they should rebound to present levels by then.

tsk tsk tsk... you don't believe the trap is real, even when you see the
video and listen to the survivor's screams.

I can afford this house just fine. I have an additional $1100/mo. in
disposable income right now if I pay interest only.

And *if* you invest all of it in something that pays higher returns than
you're mortgage interest... like say a high yield bond fund... although
remember to factor in taxes coming & going... then you can come out
ahead.




Of course, in less than 4 years my business loan is paid off and I
should
have an additional $50k/year in disposable income at that point.


Or you could be shopping around to refinance it.


You worry too much.


Nope, I just try to keep from getting caught in the obvious traps. And
in this case, try to warn you. I can't believe you actually read any of
that article and then go back to stubbornly saying the things you do.

"Try to learn from the mistakes of others, life isn't long enough for
you to have time to make them all yourself." - author unknown, but a
very good quote.

DSK


You continue to prove how much you wish you'd bought a house in Naples and
watched it double, triple, or quadruple in value.

Liebrals are all alike.....they all think they now better than everyone
else.......that and they are so willing to spent other peoples money.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's
just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

So how much of your money are you giving the wife you beat up, Paul?

Harry,
Is this being nice or are you dragging the Newsgroup to new lows. It is
this kind of post that is chasing away those who have something to
contribute.

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Poor harry......projecting his own problems on others.........LMAO

"Starbuck's Words of Wisdom" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

So how much of your money are you giving the wife you beat up, Paul?

Harry,
Is this being nice or are you dragging the Newsgroup to new lows. It is
this kind of post that is chasing away those who have something to
contribute.