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Economy Rebounds - Productivity Soars, Jobless Claims Drop
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message news:usEYa.92129$uu5.12579@sccrnsc04... Ahh, but if you bothered to read my entire post, it was not only a one week drop I reported but a drop in the month of July. Spin it anyway you want to. The fact is that unemployment dropped in July. Hmmm. Wait till they tally up Kodak's latest round of layoffs. Another 5,000 will bite the dust shortly. It's not Bush's fault the World has gone digital. I haven't used dental film in 4 years and regular film in 2 years. |
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Economy Rebounds - Productivity Soars, Jobless Claims Drop
Jim wrote:
You see, when I asked you in another thread to post examples of how unions have recently improved the lives of their members you lectured me with their great deeds in the early to mid 20th century, entirely dismissing the importance of the *recent* past (yesterday, I don't think I could cite more than a a few thousand ways unions have improved the lives of their members in the last few years. But you're not worth the research, compiling and posting time, and even if I did do the exercise, it wouldn't make the slightest difference to you or any of the other brain-rot Konservatives here. This isn't the place for posting carefully researched and crafted material. It's the home of the slam-dunk, and as soon I see a couple of Konservatives who can actually write and not merely repost the writings of others, I'll consider engaging. Until then, it is bons mots, without the bons. That's all you deserve. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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Economy Rebounds - Productivity Soars, Jobless Claims Drop
"Harry Krause" wrote in message news Jim wrote: You see, when I asked you in another thread to post examples of how unions have recently improved the lives of their members you lectured me with their great deeds in the early to mid 20th century, entirely dismissing the importance of the *recent* past (yesterday, I don't think I could cite more than a a few thousand ways unions have improved the lives of their members in the last few years. But you're not worth the research, compiling and posting time, and even if I did do the exercise, it wouldn't make the slightest difference to you or any of the other brain-rot Konservatives here. This isn't the place for posting carefully researched and crafted material. It's the home of the slam-dunk, and as soon I see a couple of Konservatives who can actually write and not merely repost the writings of others, I'll consider engaging. Until then, it is bons mots, without the bons. That's all you deserve. In other words, you cannot offer any specifics because there are none. No surprise. Thanks anyway *fella*. |
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Jim wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message news Jim wrote: You see, when I asked you in another thread to post examples of how unions have recently improved the lives of their members you lectured me with their great deeds in the early to mid 20th century, entirely dismissing the importance of the *recent* past (yesterday, I don't think I could cite more than a a few thousand ways unions have improved the lives of their members in the last few years. But you're not worth the research, compiling and posting time, and even if I did do the exercise, it wouldn't make the slightest difference to you or any of the other brain-rot Konservatives here. This isn't the place for posting carefully researched and crafted material. It's the home of the slam-dunk, and as soon I see a couple of Konservatives who can actually write and not merely repost the writings of others, I'll consider engaging. Until then, it is bons mots, without the bons. That's all you deserve. In other words, you cannot offer any specifics because there are none. No surprise. Thanks anyway *fella*. There's no need for "other words." The words I used were precise and meaningful. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Jim wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message news Jim wrote: You see, when I asked you in another thread to post examples of how unions have recently improved the lives of their members you lectured me with their great deeds in the early to mid 20th century, entirely dismissing the importance of the *recent* past (yesterday, I don't think I could cite more than a a few thousand ways unions have improved the lives of their members in the last few years. But you're not worth the research, compiling and posting time, and even if I did do the exercise, it wouldn't make the slightest difference to you or any of the other brain-rot Konservatives here. This isn't the place for posting carefully researched and crafted material. It's the home of the slam-dunk, and as soon I see a couple of Konservatives who can actually write and not merely repost the writings of others, I'll consider engaging. Until then, it is bons mots, without the bons. That's all you deserve. In other words, you cannot offer any specifics because there are none. No surprise. Thanks anyway *fella*. There's no need for "other words." The words I used were precise and meaningful. And totally void of facts or other useful information. You declared yourself the union guru in another thread. If that is indeed the truth, why you would need to spend time researching the recent contributions of unions to their members is beyond me. One would think that a union loyalist could spout out such information on demand. But I guess that is not the case. My only conclusion? Unions have not improved the lives of their members in recent years. Oh, and one last thing "fella". Why do you continue to generalize about people? Why are all republicans or conservatives the same in *your* twisted little mind? Krawse, your posts are filled with venom and insults towards anyone who does not share your political ideals. Pretty pathetic. You are one sick wacko extremist. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
om... My dad has been trying to talk to someone at Dell computers about an error they made, and all he keeps reaching are ex-7-11 employees. I figure that the latest trend of using foreign speaking people in customer support won't last long once the customer satisfaction polling data comes in. snip You and Dave are unflagging supporters of an unregulated free market system. Enjoy the fruits of your most perfect system. Considering that you both have complained loud and long about any form of restriction or regulation of companies, you have absolutely no right to complain about what you are getting. Enjoy it. You used to be able to go to the hardware store and ask the man about a barn hinge and the owner could tell you what he had, and discuss alternative in a knowledgeable way. Of course, that corner hardware store has been driven out of business by Wal-Mart. When you go to Wal-Mart, the "help" there can tell you the isle where that sort of thing might be found; if they carry it. With any luck at all, that knowledgeable former owner of the old hardware store is now working as a greeter (low paid security staff) in the front of the store. This is the inevitable result of driving the wages down using the free market. Your orders are filled wrong at the fast food restaurant, your support at Dell sucks. The telephone is answered by a machine that does not have the answer to your question. As long as the only measure of the success of the economic system is how much money changes hands, then issues like quality of life and quality of services delivered will be taken off the table. A few will get the best of everything, the rest will get the lowest common denominator. This is the tyranny of "good enough". As long as there is a cost associated with delivering better service, no company can afford to spend the money to do effective support if it will raise the prices. At the time of purchase, all the majority of the customers look at is the price and features. The one or two souls that might pay a few bucks for quality service can't support a big firm like Dell. I will go out on a limb and predict that this mediocrity will continue and be compounded as the economy worsens. The split between the few and the many will continue to widen as the middle class continues to crumble. If you think that millions of professional class jobs will be created to fill the blue collar losses, then you are seeing some opportunity that are not apparent from looking at the help wanted pages. If you continue to spout this Pollyanna position, then I would ask you to explain were these jobs will come from and why they won't be outsourced. I don't think you can. Since there is not substance to your position, all I expect lots of meaningless generalities and no specifics. If you reject my starting premise (regulation of the market to achieve social goals) then it is up to you to explain how things will be fixed. Don't even ask how I would change the system. Homey don't play that game no mo. It is being broken so badly that I am not sure that it can be fixed. The needed medicine is so threatening to the supporters of both political parties that is inconceivable that any politician could put them in place unless there was a dire need. My answers I have are so far from current policy that they will not seem relevant until we see the return of large crowds of angry and unemployed homeless, like we had in the 30's. Thank God we are hanging on to the right to bear arms; this may become useful in a social crash. On the other hand, so are the desperate poor. The unthinking and uneducated don't seem capable of working through the inevitable output of current wrong-headed political decisions. To my way of thinking, we have already been driven over the cliff, it is just a matter of crashing to the ground. I don't see any way around this outcome unless some very big changes occur; considering the blindness of the current political leaders, this in not going to happen. Remember that things looked pretty good in the roaring 20's. Until the inevitable crash, you just keep your eyes shut tight and cross your fingers. It will do as much good as the actions of the current political leadership. Mark Browne |
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Jim wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Jim wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message news Jim wrote: You see, when I asked you in another thread to post examples of how unions have recently improved the lives of their members you lectured me with their great deeds in the early to mid 20th century, entirely dismissing the importance of the *recent* past (yesterday, I don't think I could cite more than a a few thousand ways unions have improved the lives of their members in the last few years. But you're not worth the research, compiling and posting time, and even if I did do the exercise, it wouldn't make the slightest difference to you or any of the other brain-rot Konservatives here. This isn't the place for posting carefully researched and crafted material. It's the home of the slam-dunk, and as soon I see a couple of Konservatives who can actually write and not merely repost the writings of others, I'll consider engaging. Until then, it is bons mots, without the bons. That's all you deserve. In other words, you cannot offer any specifics because there are none. No surprise. Thanks anyway *fella*. There's no need for "other words." The words I used were precise and meaningful. And totally void of facts or other useful information. Deliberately so, as I explained. Are you always this slow? You declared yourself the union guru in another thread. I do know quite a bit about labor unions and labor union history. I've been involved in the labor movement here and abroad for about 30 years. If that is indeed the truth, why you would need to spend time researching the recent contributions of unions to their members is beyond me. I suspect most of life is beyond you. My only conclusion? Unions have not improved the lives of their members in recent years. You and your conclusions are of no consequence. Oh, and one last thing "fella". Why do you continue to generalize about people? Why are all republicans or conservatives the same in *your* twisted little mind? They're not. There still are some righteous Republican conservatives. Not many. These days, Republican conservatism is embodied by the philosophy of "I've got mine, so screw you." You're part of that. Krawse, your posts are filled with venom and insults towards anyone who does not share your political ideals. Pretty pathetic. You are one sick wacko extremist. Nah. People on my side of the spectrum are not bombing federal office buildings, brainwashing little girls into sexual relationships, forcing airliners into office buildings and the Pentagon, and so forth. Those people are all conservatives, sick wacko right-wing extremists. Like you and your buddies here, eh? -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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My suggestion would be to get into the health care industry. An aging population has tremendous needs that are growing in leaps and bounds. You don't even need to be a provider (ie--dr. or nurse). There are thousands of companies that manufacturer or distribute health care items and pharmaceuticals. The demand grows every day. Conversely, the House recently passed legislation that would allow patients to purchase prescription drugs from abroad for less money. The Senate is not likely to pass it, and the White House has vowed to veto it. The opponents argue that there are safety and quality issues at stake. Who knows for sure. On one hand, it'd be great for Americans to have access to certain drugs at huge savings (for example, 1 month of tamoxifen for $60 instead of $360), but this law would just force more American companies to search for even cheaper ways to produce the drugs...and consequently lose more American jobs in the process. We really live in a screwed up society. Americans want to pay as little as possible for something, but then whine when the product is junk, service is poor, or domestic jobs are lost. Meanwhile, they want their 401-K's to return 15% per year. So the corporations, in the interest of returning that much-desired cheap product *and* a high return on their stock, cut expenses and move the jobs overseas. People bitch that jobs are lost, but refuse to pay more for the products if the jobs were kept here. It used to be "you got what you paid for". That meant you got good service when you paid a premium for it. The problems began when consumers started demanding *both* the cheap product *and* the good service. Of course, the corporations' profit margins fell when they tried to be everything to everybody...so they either had to raise prices (no way in today's "best deal mentality" society!)...or cut expenses and send the jobs overseas. How did we get here? Well, one possibility is that it came from today's "the World owes me" attitude. Things that were considered luxuries are now considered necessities. Every family *must* have 2 or more cars, a half dozen or more TV's, the latest footwear, the fastest computer, high speed internet, etc. If everybody would remember this saying, it just might be the answer to the hemorrhage of jobs flowing out of this country: "Ther bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of the low price is gone." We can no longer have both, folks. It was fun while it lasted, but it's really begun to take a toll on our country and our working class. |
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Economy Rebounds - Productivity Soars, Jobless Claims Drop
You used to be able to go to the hardware store and ask the man about a barn
hinge and the owner could tell you what he had, and discuss alternative in a knowledgeable way. Of course, that corner hardware store has been driven out of business by Wal-Mart. When you go to Wal-Mart, the "help" there can tell you the isle where that sort of thing might be found; if they carry it. With any luck at all, that knowledgeable former owner of the old hardware store is now working as a greeter (low paid security staff) in the front of the store. This is the inevitable result of driving the wages down using the free market. Your orders are filled wrong at the fast food restaurant, your support at Dell sucks. The telephone is answered by a machine that does not have the answer to your question. As long as the only measure of the success of the economic system is how much money changes hands, then issues like quality of life and quality of services delivered will be taken off the table. A few will get the best of everything, the rest will get the lowest common denominator. I got an eye-opening insight into the current economy at Home Depot. I bought a small truckload of bathtubs, sinks, toilets, faucets, etc recently. As the cast iron tubs are almost 300 lb apiece and Mama didn't raise too big-or at least too strong- a fool, I opted for the $55 delivery. (Anything between one item and a whole truckload is a flat $55) A nice young man followed us around with a notepad and kept track of all the fixtures we picked out. As we waited to get written up at the Special Services counter, we chatted with the guy and discovered he had to take the job clerking at the Depot with five years of college and a degree in physics! Not too many years ago, I knew a guy who went to work in the paint dept at Home D. He had a lot of knowledge about paint. They started him at $9 and hour, and after about a year raised him to $10. My friend was convinced that he would be on the fast track to management, which at the time meant working about 60 hours a week, supervising 45 employees, and being responsible for a branch store doing over a $million volume on a busy weekend. The managers made annual salaries of $50-60k at that time........ So the articulate, intelligent young guy with a physics degree? The kind of nice guy I wish my daughter would meet? If he works really hard and is willing to shoulder a huge responsibility, and if he plays his corporate politics properly, he'll get to work up to a middle class wage- eventually- if he stays at Home Depot and is really lucky. My paint selling friend moved to another store after a couple of years. He is now pretty disillusioned about his actual prospects to become the (woo woo) "manager." |
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Economy Rebounds - Productivity Soars, Jobless Claims Drop
"Mark Browne" wrote in message
news:ubZYa.101715$uu5.14588@sccrnsc04... You used to be able to go to the hardware store and ask the man about a barn hinge and the owner could tell you what he had, and discuss alternative in a knowledgeable way. Of course, that corner hardware store has been driven out of business by Wal-Mart. Actually, small hardware stores are thriving around here (Rochester NY). There's been a huge backlash against Wal Mart, the BORG and a couple of others. |
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