Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

The following of some of the definitions of the word "dead" and each shows why
the word is not used in the context of the guestimated, vague navigation called
Ded(uced) Reckoning:

Exact; unerring. the dead center of a target

Absolutely; altogether: You can be dead sure of my innocence.

Directly; exactly: There's a gas station dead ahead.

[In golf], a ball is said to lie dead when it lies so near the hole that the
player is certain to hole it in the next stroke.

Dead ahead (Naut.), directly ahead; -- said of a ship or any object, esp. of
the wind when blowing from that point toward which a vessel would go.

Dead Center (Mach.), either of two points in the orbit of a crank, at which
the crank and connecting rod lie a straight line. It corresponds to the end of
a stroke; as, A and B are dead centers of the crank mechanism in which the
crank C drives, or is driven by, the lever L.

Dead heat, a heat or course between two or more race horses, boats, etc., in
which they come out exactly equal, so that neither wins.

unerringly accurate; "a dead shot"; "took dead aim"

sudden and complete; "came to a dead stop"

completely and without qualification; used informally as intensifiers; "an
absolutely magnificent painting"; "a perfectly idiotic idea"; "you're perfectly
right"; "utterly miserable"; "you can be dead sure of my innocence"; "was dead
tired"; "dead right"


well, maybe those who don't know the meaning of the word "dead" might use it in
some weird fashion, but they don't count.

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

JAXAshby wrote:

The following of some of the definitions of the word "dead" and each shows why
the word is not used in the context of the guestimated, vague navigation called
Ded(uced) Reckoning:

Exact; unerring. the dead center of a target

Absolutely; altogether: You can be dead sure of my innocence.

Directly; exactly: There's a gas station dead ahead.

[In golf], a ball is said to lie dead when it lies so near the hole that the
player is certain to hole it in the next stroke.

Dead ahead (Naut.), directly ahead; -- said of a ship or any object, esp. of
the wind when blowing from that point toward which a vessel would go.

Dead Center (Mach.), either of two points in the orbit of a crank, at which
the crank and connecting rod lie a straight line. It corresponds to the end of
a stroke; as, A and B are dead centers of the crank mechanism in which the
crank C drives, or is driven by, the lever L.

Dead heat, a heat or course between two or more race horses, boats, etc., in
which they come out exactly equal, so that neither wins.

unerringly accurate; "a dead shot"; "took dead aim"

sudden and complete; "came to a dead stop"

completely and without qualification; used informally as intensifiers; "an
absolutely magnificent painting"; "a perfectly idiotic idea"; "you're perfectly
right"; "utterly miserable"; "you can be dead sure of my innocence"; "was dead
tired"; "dead right"


well, maybe those who don't know the meaning of the word "dead" might use it in
some weird fashion, but they don't count.


While "ded" reckoning is proper usage, so is "dead" reckoning:

dead reckoning.

The estimation of a ship's position from the distance run by the log and
the courses steered by the compass, with corrections for current,
leeway, etc., but without astronomical observations. Hence dead latitude
(q.v.), that computed by dead reckoning.

1613 M. Ridley Magn. Bodies 147 Keeping a true, not a dead reckoning of
his course. 1760 Pemberton in Phil. Trans. LI. 911 The latitude
exhibited by the dead reckoning of the ship. 1840 R. H. Dana Bef. Mast
xxxii. 124 We had drifted too much to allow of our dead reckoning being
anywhere near the mark. 1891 Nature 3 Sept., The log, which for the
first time enabled the mariner to carry out his dead-reckoning with
confidence, is first described in Bourne's ‘Regiment for the Sea’, which
was published in 1577. 1917 Bosanquet & Campbell Navigation for Aerial
Navigators i. 4 In aerial navigation+Dead Reckoning is the position
arrived at as calculated from the estimated track and the estimated
speed made good over the ground. Ibid. 5 These data enable us to find a
Dead Reckoning position. 1935 C. G. Burge Compl. Bk. Aviation 477/1
Dead reckoning+is a compromise between pilotage and navigation. 1868
Lowell Witchcraft Prose Wks. 1890 II. 372 The mind, when it sails by
dead reckoning+will sometimes bring up in strange latitudes.


None of these sources, Jax, have your knowledge of navigating the
world's great oceans in a clapped-out little 26' daysailer, as you
do...but, nonetheless...

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JAXAshby wrote:

The following of some of the definitions of the word "dead" and each
shows why
the word is not used in the context of the guestimated, vague navigation
called
Ded(uced) Reckoning:

Exact; unerring. the dead center of a target

Absolutely; altogether: You can be dead sure of my innocence.

Directly; exactly: There's a gas station dead ahead.

[In golf], a ball is said to lie dead when it lies so near the hole that
the
player is certain to hole it in the next stroke.

Dead ahead (Naut.), directly ahead; -- said of a ship or any object,
esp. of
the wind when blowing from that point toward which a vessel would go.

Dead Center (Mach.), either of two points in the orbit of a crank, at
which
the crank and connecting rod lie a straight line. It corresponds to the
end of
a stroke; as, A and B are dead centers of the crank mechanism in which
the
crank C drives, or is driven by, the lever L.

Dead heat, a heat or course between two or more race horses, boats,
etc., in
which they come out exactly equal, so that neither wins.

unerringly accurate; "a dead shot"; "took dead aim"

sudden and complete; "came to a dead stop"

completely and without qualification; used informally as intensifiers;
"an
absolutely magnificent painting"; "a perfectly idiotic idea"; "you're
perfectly
right"; "utterly miserable"; "you can be dead sure of my innocence";
"was dead
tired"; "dead right"


well, maybe those who don't know the meaning of the word "dead" might
use it in
some weird fashion, but they don't count.


While "ded" reckoning is proper usage, so is "dead" reckoning:

dead reckoning.

The estimation of a ship's position from the distance run by the log and
the courses steered by the compass, with corrections for current,
leeway, etc., but without astronomical observations. Hence dead latitude
(q.v.), that computed by dead reckoning.

1613 M. Ridley Magn. Bodies 147 Keeping a true, not a dead reckoning of
his course. 1760 Pemberton in Phil. Trans. LI. 911 The latitude
exhibited by the dead reckoning of the ship. 1840 R. H. Dana Bef. Mast
xxxii. 124 We had drifted too much to allow of our dead reckoning being
anywhere near the mark. 1891 Nature 3 Sept., The log, which for the
first time enabled the mariner to carry out his dead-reckoning with
confidence, is first described in Bourne's ‘Regiment for the Sea’, which
was published in 1577. 1917 Bosanquet & Campbell Navigation for Aerial
Navigators i. 4 In aerial navigation+Dead Reckoning is the position
arrived at as calculated from the estimated track and the estimated
speed made good over the ground. Ibid. 5 These data enable us to find a
Dead Reckoning position. 1935 C. G. Burge Compl. Bk. Aviation 477/1
Dead reckoning+is a compromise between pilotage and navigation. 1868
Lowell Witchcraft Prose Wks. 1890 II. 372 The mind, when it sails by
dead reckoning+will sometimes bring up in strange latitudes.


None of these sources, Jax, have your knowledge of navigating the
world's great oceans in a clapped-out little 26' daysailer, as you
do...but, nonetheless...


My compliments Harry. A very well thought out and documented On Topic post.

Too bad you won't see this since I am killfiled :)

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

(I think somebody is taking a beginning nav course. Will probably need it if
stepping up from the cartop sail board)

Two references:

From the Dictionary of Nautical Literacy, published by International Marine ( a
division of McGraw-Hill)

Dead reckoning: The process of determining the position of a vessel by tracking
course and speed for a given time.
From the phrase, "deduced reckoning", the plot is called a "DR".

According to this source, Jax is half right. The process is called "dead
reckoning", but the hypothetical plot it produces can be called a "deduced
reckoning."

Then there's another source that indicates neither side of the argument has an
absolute leg to stand on:

From "The Sailor's Illustrated Dictionary"

dead reckoning (DR): The determining of a position by course, speed, and time
elapsed, but without a fix. A DR position is shownon the chart with a half
cirlce and a dot and the time the vessel was calculated to be in the position.
With any other information included, such as wind and current, it is called an
estimated position.
The term "dead reckoning" comes from "deduced reckoning" or "ded. reckoning",
which later became "dead reckoning."

According to this source, the hypotheticaly correct term realy is ded.
reckoning, (short for deduced). Unlike an assertion that anybody who knew squat
about navigation would never say "dead reckoning", those who are exposed to the
practice on an actual basis, in the real world rather than by reading about
boating, have probably never heard the technique called anything
except "dead reckoning."

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
(I think somebody is taking a beginning nav course. Will probably need it
if
stepping up from the cartop sail board)

Two references:

From the Dictionary of Nautical Literacy, published by International
Marine ( a
division of McGraw-Hill)

Dead reckoning: The process of determining the position of a vessel by
tracking
course and speed for a given time.
From the phrase, "deduced reckoning", the plot is called a "DR".

According to this source, Jax is half right. The process is called "dead
reckoning", but the hypothetical plot it produces can be called a "deduced
reckoning."

Then there's another source that indicates neither side of the argument
has an
absolute leg to stand on:

From "The Sailor's Illustrated Dictionary"

dead reckoning (DR): The determining of a position by course, speed, and
time
elapsed, but without a fix. A DR position is shownon the chart with a half
cirlce and a dot and the time the vessel was calculated to be in the
position.
With any other information included, such as wind and current, it is
called an
estimated position.
The term "dead reckoning" comes from "deduced reckoning" or "ded.
reckoning",
which later became "dead reckoning."

According to this source, the hypotheticaly correct term realy is ded.
reckoning, (short for deduced). Unlike an assertion that anybody who knew
squat
about navigation would never say "dead reckoning", those who are exposed
to the
practice on an actual basis, in the real world rather than by reading
about
boating, have probably never heard the technique called anything
except "dead reckoning."


Thanks for taking your time to share this information. Though I am not a
world sailor, this is quite interesting. I never knew there was a difference
in terminology regarding dead reckoning.

Best regards

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

hoary, you quote phonetic spellings of ancient words. "dead" is exact, "ded"
is deduced.

The following of some of the definitions of the word "dead" and each shows
why
the word is not used in the context of the guestimated, vague navigation
called
Ded(uced) Reckoning:

Exact; unerring. the dead center of a target

Absolutely; altogether: You can be dead sure of my innocence.

Directly; exactly: There's a gas station dead ahead.

[In golf], a ball is said to lie dead when it lies so near the hole that
the
player is certain to hole it in the next stroke.

Dead ahead (Naut.), directly ahead; -- said of a ship or any object, esp.
of
the wind when blowing from that point toward which a vessel would go.

Dead Center (Mach.), either of two points in the orbit of a crank, at
which
the crank and connecting rod lie a straight line. It corresponds to the end
of
a stroke; as, A and B are dead centers of the crank mechanism in which the
crank C drives, or is driven by, the lever L.

Dead heat, a heat or course between two or more race horses, boats, etc.,
in
which they come out exactly equal, so that neither wins.

unerringly accurate; "a dead shot"; "took dead aim"

sudden and complete; "came to a dead stop"

completely and without qualification; used informally as intensifiers; "an
absolutely magnificent painting"; "a perfectly idiotic idea"; "you're
perfectly
right"; "utterly miserable"; "you can be dead sure of my innocence"; "was
dead
tired"; "dead right"


well, maybe those who don't know the meaning of the word "dead" might use
it in
some weird fashion, but they don't count.


While "ded" reckoning is proper usage, so is "dead" reckoning:

dead reckoning.

The estimation of a ship's position from the distance run by the log and
the courses steered by the compass, with corrections for current,
leeway, etc., but without astronomical observations. Hence dead latitude
(q.v.), that computed by dead reckoning.

1613 M. Ridley Magn. Bodies 147 Keeping a true, not a dead reckoning of
his course. 1760 Pemberton in Phil. Trans. LI. 911 The latitude
exhibited by the dead reckoning of the ship. 1840 R. H. Dana Bef. Mast
xxxii. 124 We had drifted too much to allow of our dead reckoning being
anywhere near the mark. 1891 Nature 3 Sept., The log, which for the
first time enabled the mariner to carry out his dead-reckoning with
confidence, is first described in Bourne's ‘Regiment for the Sea’, which
was published in 1577. 1917 Bosanquet & Campbell Navigation for Aerial
Navigators i. 4 In aerial navigation+Dead Reckoning is the position
arrived at as calculated from the estimated track and the estimated
speed made good over the ground. Ibid. 5 These data enable us to find a
Dead Reckoning position. 1935 C. G. Burge Compl. Bk. Aviation 477/1
Dead reckoning+is a compromise between pilotage and navigation. 1868
Lowell Witchcraft Prose Wks. 1890 II. 372 The mind, when it sails by
dead reckoning+will sometimes bring up in strange latitudes.


None of these sources, Jax, have your knowledge of navigating the
world's great oceans in a clapped-out little 26' daysailer, as you
do...but, nonetheless...

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

sorry, dood, but hoary is repeating phonetic misinterpretations of ancient
words. like that if it makes you feel better, but DR is not, can not be, "dead
on".

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JAXAshby wrote:

The following of some of the definitions of the word "dead" and each
shows why
the word is not used in the context of the guestimated, vague navigation
called
Ded(uced) Reckoning:

Exact; unerring. the dead center of a target

Absolutely; altogether: You can be dead sure of my innocence.

Directly; exactly: There's a gas station dead ahead.

[In golf], a ball is said to lie dead when it lies so near the hole that
the
player is certain to hole it in the next stroke.

Dead ahead (Naut.), directly ahead; -- said of a ship or any object,
esp. of
the wind when blowing from that point toward which a vessel would go.

Dead Center (Mach.), either of two points in the orbit of a crank, at
which
the crank and connecting rod lie a straight line. It corresponds to the
end of
a stroke; as, A and B are dead centers of the crank mechanism in which
the
crank C drives, or is driven by, the lever L.

Dead heat, a heat or course between two or more race horses, boats,
etc., in
which they come out exactly equal, so that neither wins.

unerringly accurate; "a dead shot"; "took dead aim"

sudden and complete; "came to a dead stop"

completely and without qualification; used informally as intensifiers;
"an
absolutely magnificent painting"; "a perfectly idiotic idea"; "you're
perfectly
right"; "utterly miserable"; "you can be dead sure of my innocence";
"was dead
tired"; "dead right"


well, maybe those who don't know the meaning of the word "dead" might
use it in
some weird fashion, but they don't count.


While "ded" reckoning is proper usage, so is "dead" reckoning:

dead reckoning.

The estimation of a ship's position from the distance run by the log and
the courses steered by the compass, with corrections for current,
leeway, etc., but without astronomical observations. Hence dead latitude
(q.v.), that computed by dead reckoning.

1613 M. Ridley Magn. Bodies 147 Keeping a true, not a dead reckoning of
his course. 1760 Pemberton in Phil. Trans. LI. 911 The latitude
exhibited by the dead reckoning of the ship. 1840 R. H. Dana Bef. Mast
xxxii. 124 We had drifted too much to allow of our dead reckoning being
anywhere near the mark. 1891 Nature 3 Sept., The log, which for the
first time enabled the mariner to carry out his dead-reckoning with
confidence, is first described in Bourne's ‘Regiment for the Sea’, which
was published in 1577. 1917 Bosanquet & Campbell Navigation for Aerial
Navigators i. 4 In aerial navigation+Dead Reckoning is the position
arrived at as calculated from the estimated track and the estimated
speed made good over the ground. Ibid. 5 These data enable us to find a
Dead Reckoning position. 1935 C. G. Burge Compl. Bk. Aviation 477/1
Dead reckoning+is a compromise between pilotage and navigation. 1868
Lowell Witchcraft Prose Wks. 1890 II. 372 The mind, when it sails by
dead reckoning+will sometimes bring up in strange latitudes.


None of these sources, Jax, have your knowledge of navigating the
world's great oceans in a clapped-out little 26' daysailer, as you
do...but, nonetheless...


My compliments Harry. A very well thought out and documented On Topic post.

Too bad you won't see this since I am killfiled :)

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

Thanks for taking your time to share this information. Though I am not a
world sailor, this is quite interesting. I never knew there was a difference
in terminology regarding dead reckoning.

oh yeah, and there is a HUGE difference in the output between Ded and Dead
Reckoning. those who use ded rec are knowledgeable as to its uncertainties,
while those who use dead rec are about to now, or will sometime in the future,
hit the rocks. Assuming they sail at all.

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

JAXAshby wrote:

hoary, you quote phonetic spellings of ancient words. "dead" is exact, "ded"
is deduced.

The following of some of the definitions of the word "dead" and each shows
why
the word is not used in the context of the guestimated, vague navigation
called
Ded(uced) Reckoning:

Exact; unerring. the dead center of a target

Absolutely; altogether: You can be dead sure of my innocence.

Directly; exactly: There's a gas station dead ahead.

[In golf], a ball is said to lie dead when it lies so near the hole that
the
player is certain to hole it in the next stroke.

Dead ahead (Naut.), directly ahead; -- said of a ship or any object, esp.
of
the wind when blowing from that point toward which a vessel would go.

Dead Center (Mach.), either of two points in the orbit of a crank, at
which
the crank and connecting rod lie a straight line. It corresponds to the end
of
a stroke; as, A and B are dead centers of the crank mechanism in which the
crank C drives, or is driven by, the lever L.

Dead heat, a heat or course between two or more race horses, boats, etc.,
in
which they come out exactly equal, so that neither wins.

unerringly accurate; "a dead shot"; "took dead aim"

sudden and complete; "came to a dead stop"

completely and without qualification; used informally as intensifiers; "an
absolutely magnificent painting"; "a perfectly idiotic idea"; "you're
perfectly
right"; "utterly miserable"; "you can be dead sure of my innocence"; "was
dead
tired"; "dead right"


well, maybe those who don't know the meaning of the word "dead" might use
it in
some weird fashion, but they don't count.


While "ded" reckoning is proper usage, so is "dead" reckoning:

dead reckoning.

The estimation of a ship's position from the distance run by the log and
the courses steered by the compass, with corrections for current,
leeway, etc., but without astronomical observations. Hence dead latitude
(q.v.), that computed by dead reckoning.

1613 M. Ridley Magn. Bodies 147 Keeping a true, not a dead reckoning of
his course. 1760 Pemberton in Phil. Trans. LI. 911 The latitude
exhibited by the dead reckoning of the ship. 1840 R. H. Dana Bef. Mast
xxxii. 124 We had drifted too much to allow of our dead reckoning being
anywhere near the mark. 1891 Nature 3 Sept., The log, which for the
first time enabled the mariner to carry out his dead-reckoning with
confidence, is first described in Bourne's ‘Regiment for the Sea’, which
was published in 1577. 1917 Bosanquet & Campbell Navigation for Aerial
Navigators i. 4 In aerial navigation+Dead Reckoning is the position
arrived at as calculated from the estimated track and the estimated
speed made good over the ground. Ibid. 5 These data enable us to find a
Dead Reckoning position. 1935 C. G. Burge Compl. Bk. Aviation 477/1
Dead reckoning+is a compromise between pilotage and navigation. 1868
Lowell Witchcraft Prose Wks. 1890 II. 372 The mind, when it sails by
dead reckoning+will sometimes bring up in strange latitudes.


None of these sources, Jax, have your knowledge of navigating the
world's great oceans in a clapped-out little 26' daysailer, as you
do...but, nonetheless...


Nice try, dipstick, but the sources I quoted are quite real, unlike the
imaginary gremlins that occupy your synapses. Ded or Dead is proper. If
you want to compare your education in and experience with etymology to
mine, why, you go right ahead. My master's degree in English is really
in etymology, and, as part of the requirements, I worked for two
semesters as an editor and project director of the National Union
Catalog, a project that involved alphabetizing and organizing the entire
card catalogue of the Library of Congress.

The definition I posted is from the second edition of the OED. There's
no knowledge you have that trumps the OED.

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

JAXAshby wrote:

Thanks for taking your time to share this information. Though I am not a
world sailor, this is quite interesting. I never knew there was a difference
in terminology regarding dead reckoning.

oh yeah, and there is a HUGE difference in the output between Ded and Dead
Reckoning. those who use ded rec are knowledgeable as to its uncertainties,
while those who use dead rec are about to now, or will sometime in the future,
hit the rocks. Assuming they sail at all.

Give it up, Jax. You've got a ****ty little clapped out daysailer, and
probably couldn't navigate from Milford to Port Jefferson on a bright
sunny day with the Port Jeff stacks puffing.

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Thanks for taking your time to share this information. Though I am not a
world sailor, this is quite interesting. I never knew there was a
difference
in terminology regarding dead reckoning.

oh yeah, and there is a HUGE difference in the output between Ded and Dead
Reckoning. those who use ded rec are knowledgeable as to its
uncertainties,
while those who use dead rec are about to now, or will sometime in the
future,
hit the rocks. Assuming they sail at all.

As I said, I am not a world sailor. I rely on GPS and an accurate compass to
take me home. But then again, I am not more than 25 miles or so off shore.
However, I have heard the term used and assumed wrongly that it meant exact
knowledge of position. My hobby happens to be history and the old letters
and books I have read refer to dead reckoning of a position or course. This
thread is quite enlightening giving me a better understanding of the
intended words.

Thanks to all

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

I worked for two
semesters as an editor and project director of the National Union
Catalog, a project that involved alphabetizing and organizing the entire
card catalogue of the Library of Congress.

yup, THAT proves "dead bang on center" means horribly inaccurate.

way to go, hoary.

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

hoary, the Port Jeff stacks haven't puffed in nearly three decades.

oh yeah, and there is a HUGE difference in the output between Ded and Dead
Reckoning. those who use ded rec are knowledgeable as to its
uncertainties,
while those who use dead rec are about to now, or will sometime in the
future,
hit the rocks. Assuming they sail at all.

Give it up, Jax. You've got a ****ty little clapped out daysailer, and
probably couldn't navigate from Milford to Port Jefferson on a bright
sunny day with the Port Jeff stacks puffing.

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

As I said, I am not a world sailor. I rely on GPS and an accurate compass to
take me home.

enjoy, john. and don't worry about it, for in today's world there is no reason
not to have a gps or two onboard if there is any remote chance of needing it.

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
As I said, I am not a world sailor. I rely on GPS and an accurate compass
to
take me home.

enjoy, john. and don't worry about it, for in today's world there is no
reason
not to have a gps or two onboard if there is any remote chance of needing
it.

Thanks for the thread JAX. I am enjoying this one. Amazing what one can
learn!

Regards

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

JAXAshby wrote:

hoary, the Port Jeff stacks haven't puffed in nearly three decades.

oh yeah, and there is a HUGE difference in the output between Ded and Dead
Reckoning. those who use ded rec are knowledgeable as to its
uncertainties,
while those who use dead rec are about to now, or will sometime in the
future,
hit the rocks. Assuming they sail at all.

Give it up, Jax. You've got a ****ty little clapped out daysailer, and
probably couldn't navigate from Milford to Port Jefferson on a bright
sunny day with the Port Jeff stacks puffing.



Well, that's good to know. It's been a while since I spent the summer at
Woodmont, CT.

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

hoary, it has been a while since you did anything but bitch and whine.

hoary, the Port Jeff stacks haven't puffed in nearly three decades.

oh yeah, and there is a HUGE difference in the output between Ded and
Dead
Reckoning. those who use ded rec are knowledgeable as to its
uncertainties,
while those who use dead rec are about to now, or will sometime in the
future,
hit the rocks. Assuming they sail at all.

Give it up, Jax. You've got a ****ty little clapped out daysailer, and
probably couldn't navigate from Milford to Port Jefferson on a bright
sunny day with the Port Jeff stacks puffing.



Well, that's good to know. It's been a while since I spent the summer at
Woodmont, CT.

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

JohnH wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:20:49 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:



Nice try, dipstick, but the sources I quoted are quite real, unlike the
imaginary gremlins that occupy your synapses. Ded or Dead is proper. If
you want to compare your education in and experience with etymology to
mine, why, you go right ahead. My master's degree in English is really
in etymology, and, as part of the requirements, I worked for two
semesters as an editor and project director of the National Union
Catalog, a project that involved alphabetizing and organizing the entire
card catalogue of the Library of Congress.

The definition I posted is from the second edition of the OED. There's
no knowledge you have that trumps the OED.


And, has your wife completed her second doctorate yet? Are there really people
who still believe this stuff from you, Harry?


John H


No, she hasn't. But, then, I never stated she did. Are you still taking
sexually oriented photos of minors, John?

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

And, has your wife completed her second doctorate yet? Are there really
people
who still believe this stuff from you, Harry?


John H

if hoary knew what the OED is, he would know it is a historical document, not
an arbitrator.

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

JAXAshby wrote:

And, has your wife completed her second doctorate yet? Are there really
people
who still believe this stuff from you, Harry?


John H

if hoary knew what the OED is, he would know it is a historical document, not
an arbitrator.


Most dictionaries are historial documents, ****-for-brains. The OED is
quite live, with a usually annual update, and, in fact, a completely new
third edition is in the works. I own two complete OEDs, plus the OED on
CD. Version 4.0 of the OED on CD is scheduled for release sometime this
fall. For about $700, you can buy a complete hardbound set of the
current OED, and for about $200 to $250, the same data on CD. Or you can
subscribe. The latter is a good bet, because it includes the updates as
they are produced.

I don't think you want to play word games with me, Mr. Speedo.

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Has she completed her degree as a MD?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:20:49 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



Nice try, dipstick, but the sources I quoted are quite real, unlike the
imaginary gremlins that occupy your synapses. Ded or Dead is proper. If
you want to compare your education in and experience with etymology to
mine, why, you go right ahead. My master's degree in English is really
in etymology, and, as part of the requirements, I worked for two
semesters as an editor and project director of the National Union
Catalog, a project that involved alphabetizing and organizing the entire
card catalogue of the Library of Congress.

The definition I posted is from the second edition of the OED. There's
no knowledge you have that trumps the OED.


And, has your wife completed her second doctorate yet? Are there really
people
who still believe this stuff from you, Harry?


John H


No, she hasn't. But, then, I never stated she did. Are you still taking
sexually oriented photos of minors, John?

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why is it that hoary claims to be an expert in words, but doesn't understand
how a "live" document and still be a historical document? and why does hoary
think that a "live" document is thusly an arbitrator?

hoary, does Viagra addle the mind?

And, has your wife completed her second doctorate yet? Are there really
people
who still believe this stuff from you, Harry?


John H

if hoary knew what the OED is, he would know it is a historical document,
not
an arbitrator.


Most dictionaries are historial documents, ****-for-brains. The OED is
quite live, with a usually annual update, and, in fact, a completely new
third edition is in the works. I own two complete OEDs, plus the OED on
CD. Version 4.0 of the OED on CD is scheduled for release sometime this
fall. For about $700, you can buy a complete hardbound set of the
current OED, and for about $200 to $250, the same data on CD. Or you can
subscribe. The latter is a good bet, because it includes the updates as
they are produced.

I don't think you want to play word games with me, Mr. Speedo.

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JAXAshby wrote:

why is it that hoary claims to be an expert in words, but doesn't understand
how a "live" document and still be a historical document? and why does hoary
think that a "live" document is thusly an arbitrator?

hoary, does Viagra addle the mind?

And, has your wife completed her second doctorate yet? Are there really
people
who still believe this stuff from you, Harry?


John H

if hoary knew what the OED is, he would know it is a historical document,
not
an arbitrator.


Most dictionaries are historial documents, ****-for-brains. The OED is
quite live, with a usually annual update, and, in fact, a completely new
third edition is in the works. I own two complete OEDs, plus the OED on
CD. Version 4.0 of the OED on CD is scheduled for release sometime this
fall. For about $700, you can buy a complete hardbound set of the
current OED, and for about $200 to $250, the same data on CD. Or you can
subscribe. The latter is a good bet, because it includes the updates as
they are produced.

I don't think you want to play word games with me, Mr. Speedo.



You are not equipped to play word games at my level, Jax. You should
stick to silly boating arcana not based on language skills.

Dead reckoning is correct, as is DR, and ded reckoning. You've lost this
one. Move on to your next bit of idiocy.

BTW, you do wash that speedo from time to time, eh?

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message

The following of some of the definitions of the word "dead" and each shows
why
the word is not used in the context of the guestimated, vague navigation
called
Ded(uced) Reckoning:


Both dead reckoning and ded reckoning are considered acceptable in common
daily usage, jax.

I might also point out that the method in question is not nearly so
guestimated and vague as you state. Successful DR navigation depends
largely on 1) accurate and detailed planning; 2) careful and accurate
boat handling; and is also affected by 3) unanticipated factors, which can
be ameliorated to some extent by (1).

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

JAXAshby wrote:

sorry, dood, but hoary is repeating phonetic misinterpretations of ancient
words. like that if it makes you feel better, but DR is not, can not be, "dead
on".

That's ok. It can't be "ded on" either. But both ded and dead are
correct usage for the term DR even though neither are correct in your
context.

Steve

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Huh, I can think of at least a half dozen books found at any public library
where anyone with a 3rd grade education can find this, however, only JAXAshby
(JAXASS) would try to pass this off as some great feat of knowledge on his
part. Wow, I didn't realize that prison libraries were so well stocked with
books hey JAX? After all these years it's good to know you spent your prison
time wisely!

Dennis



None of these sources, Jax, have your knowledge of navigating the
world's great oceans in a clapped-out little 26' daysailer, as you
do...but, nonetheless...

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

Both dead reckoning and ded reckoning are considered acceptable in common
daily usage, jax.

lots of things are in common usage, but that make the usage correct in its
statement that "dead" reckoning is accurate. it is not. it IS "deduced"
reckoning, and with all that that implies.

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

JAXAshby wrote:

Both dead reckoning and ded reckoning are considered acceptable in common
daily usage, jax.

lots of things are in common usage...


But your brain is not among these things, Jax. Perhaps you should just
be satisifed with your lot in life...a rejected Speedo bathing suit
model wannabe.

BTW, how's that crappy little 26' sailboat of yours...did it sink at the
dock...again?

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

I might also point out that the method in question is not nearly so
guestimated and vague as you state. Successful DR navigation depends
largely on 1) accurate and detailed planning; 2) careful and accurate
boat handling; and is also affected by 3) unanticipated factors, which can
be ameliorated to some extent by (1).

so, guesses become precision by planning to make guesses?

only if the laws of physics are wrong.

wanna explain to the aviation world, the world of physicists, or the nautical
underwriters how *your* world is an improvement over reality just because *you*
want it to be?

you guys who claim the laws of physics don't apply to boats because you don't
want them to shoudn't be allowed on a boat not painted Day-Glo Orange with a
DoNotRescue marker on it. Let Darwin fix the problem.

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

Subject: Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced
navigation
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 07/20/2004 06:26 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Both dead reckoning and ded reckoning are considered acceptable in common
daily usage, jax.

lots of things are in common usage, but that make the usage correct in its
statement that "dead" reckoning is accurate. it is not. it IS "deduced"
reckoning, and with all that that implies.


One question. How many times have you been the person in charge of navigation
on anything but a day trip on LI Sound never out of sight of land?

Shen

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message

so, guesses become precision by planning to make guesses?

I never said any such thing. Learn to read.

wanna explain to the aviation world, the world of physicists, or the
nautical
underwriters how *your* world is an improvement over reality just because
*you*
want it to be?

you guys who claim the laws of physics don't apply to boats

I never said that, either.

Funny you should mention aviation, though. What I *have* done is DR a 727
across the Atlantic, more than once, and have taught navigation courses for
the last six years.

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shen, Denver to Mpls non-stop at night is not a daysail.

Subject: Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced
navigation
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 07/20/2004 06:26 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Both dead reckoning and ded reckoning are considered acceptable in common
daily usage, jax.

lots of things are in common usage, but that make the usage correct in its
statement that "dead" reckoning is accurate. it is not. it IS "deduced"
reckoning, and with all that that implies.


One question. How many times have you been the person in charge of navigation
on anything but a day trip on LI Sound never out of sight of land?

Shen

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

so, guesses become precision by planning to make guesses?

I never said any such thing. Learn to read.

you most certainly did, when you said taht guesses become precision by making a
lot of guesses. johnny, you are not one of those stew ped USPS "instructors",
are you?

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

wanna explain to the aviation world, the world of physicists, or the
nautical
underwriters how *your* world is an improvement over reality just because
*you*
want it to be?

you guys who claim the laws of physics don't apply to boats

I never said that, either.

you most certainly did, when you said *you* can navigate using just a compass
and speed indicator.

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

Funny you should mention aviation, though. What I *have* done is DR a 727
across the Atlantic, more than once,

no, you have not. a 727 is NEVER flown DR. knock it off.

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

and have taught navigation courses for
the last six years.

how many people have you killed, so far.

ANYone who insists on teaching newbies that a compass and a speed indicator is
most certainly purposely trying to kill people. unless, of course, they are
too stew ped to pass high school geometry even after three tries.

dood, knock it off.

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(JAXAshby)
Date: 07/21/2004 05:38 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

shen, Denver to Mpls non-stop at night is not a daysail.

Interesting. So, you've navigated a plane, once, as the person in charge of
navigation, over land.... not the most experienced at this, are you.
In truth, I wasn't interested in some aircraft navigation. Although the basics
are the same there are a number of differences in the details and dem details
can get you "dead".
Next question. How many known channels have you navigated in fog?

Shen

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

Jax,
If you use a basic program like Express to read and post to the
newsgroup you can have spell check verify all out going posts so you won't
make typo mistakes. It's a great thing.
Paul

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
so, guesses become precision by planning to make guesses?

I never said any such thing. Learn to read.

you most certainly did, when you said taht guesses become precision by
making a
lot of guesses. johnny, you are not one of those stew ped USPS
"instructors",
are you?

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message

no, you have not. a 727 is NEVER flown DR. knock it off.

You would know.

Why the word "dead" is not used in the context of deduced navigation
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message

you most certainly did, when you said taht guesses become precision by
making a
lot of guesses.

You really need to regularly attend your AA meetings.