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US Military puts value on life
It's official. The US military fined Maj. Harry 'Psycho' Schmidt 2 half
months pay.. (just over $ 5K) for killin' 4 Canadian soldiers. What's that .....just over $ 1250.00 per body. This of course doesn't count the additional 8 injured...one of which lost an eye. Killer Kowboy Schmidt thinks that's too much and is appealing the ruling. There are some intelligent men in the military though. Lt.-General Bruce Carlson, presiding officer at the trial, called Schmidt "arrogant" & "rash" citing lack of flight discipline and blatant disobeying direction to hold fire. His "willful misconduct directly caused the most egregious consequences imaginable". The general also cited Schmidt's "lack of integrity in not taking responsibility for his actions" and blaming others. I realize that different cultures hold the value of human life differently, but I will certainly be contacting my elected representative anytime there are rumors of Canadian military joining Bush's adventures. |
US Military puts value on life
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:20:16 GMT, "Don White"
wrote: It's official. The US military fined Maj. Harry 'Psycho' Schmidt 2 half months pay.. (just over $ 5K) for killin' 4 Canadian soldiers. What's that ....just over $ 1250.00 per body. This of course doesn't count the additional 8 injured...one of which lost an eye. Killer Kowboy Schmidt thinks that's too much and is appealing the ruling. There are some intelligent men in the military though. Lt.-General Bruce Carlson, presiding officer at the trial, called Schmidt "arrogant" & "rash" citing lack of flight discipline and blatant disobeying direction to hold fire. His "willful misconduct directly caused the most egregious consequences imaginable". The general also cited Schmidt's "lack of integrity in not taking responsibility for his actions" and blaming others. That's the new liberal mindset. Never take responsibility. It's always the fault of someone else, or some societal problem. I realize that different cultures hold the value of human life differently, but I will certainly be contacting my elected representative anytime there are rumors of Canadian military joining Bush's adventures. How are the flaws in judgement of one irresponsible soildier, a reflection on Bush? How could Bush have prevented this soldier's actions? Dave |
US Military puts value on life
Don White wrote:
It's official. The US military fined Maj. Harry 'Psycho' Schmidt 2 half months pay.. (just over $ 5K) for killin' 4 Canadian soldiers. What's that ....just over $ 1250.00 per body. This of course doesn't count the additional 8 injured...one of which lost an eye. Killer Kowboy Schmidt thinks that's too much and is appealing the ruling. There are some intelligent men in the military though. Lt.-General Bruce Carlson, presiding officer at the trial, called Schmidt "arrogant" & "rash" citing lack of flight discipline and blatant disobeying direction to hold fire. His "willful misconduct directly caused the most egregious consequences imaginable". The general also cited Schmidt's "lack of integrity in not taking responsibility for his actions" and blaming others. I realize that different cultures hold the value of human life differently, but I will certainly be contacting my elected representative anytime there are rumors of Canadian military joining Bush's adventures. We don't value life much in the United States, not, of course, unless it is a fetus. Then we'll kill to protect it. |
US Military puts value on life
WaIIy wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:58:18 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: We don't value life much in the United States, not, of course, unless it is a fetus. Then we'll kill to protect it. No, you would just elect to kill the baby. No judge, no jury, no conscience. It's not a baby, it's a fetus. And the decision over whether to stay pregnant or not is a decision that rightfully belongs to the mother and her medical specialist. You righties, but not necessarily you, Wally, are absolute hypocrites on the false "right-to-life" issue. Most righties don't give a tinker's dam about the problems millions of children already here facr in terms of medical care, shelter, food, clothing and enjoying a modest lifestyle. Sometimes I think righties are anti-choice because prevention of abortions provides plenty of fodder for military expansionism. |
US Military puts value on life
Abortion is a very tough moral question for me. I generally agree with the "woman's right to choose", but am at odds since I believe life begins at conception. Be careful, Wally. Not seeing issues as strictly "black or white" or "right or wrong is the surest way to be labeled as a reasonable person :^) |
US Military puts value on life
"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:20:16 GMT, "Don White" wrote: How are the flaws in judgement of one irresponsible soildier, a reflection on Bush? How could Bush have prevented this soldier's actions? George W probably couldn't prevent it. I just think anyone disobeying orders and causing unnecessary death should be punished to fit the crime. example: Reckless speeding that might take a life. Bet the driver might lose more than a months pay. |
US Military puts value on life
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... WaIIy wrote: On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:58:18 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: We don't value life much in the United States, not, of course, unless it is a fetus. Then we'll kill to protect it. No, you would just elect to kill the baby. No judge, no jury, no conscience. It's not a baby, it's a fetus. And the decision over whether to stay pregnant or not is a decision that rightfully belongs to the mother and her medical specialist. Depends upon what you believe. You obviously take the convienent view to your goal of promoting behavior where responsibility is not wanted. As I said before, if you had a child of yours that was born in the second tri-mester and is thriving your view would be different. You righties, but not necessarily you, Wally, are absolute hypocrites on the false "right-to-life" issue. Most righties don't give a tinker's dam about the problems millions of children already here facr in terms of medical care, shelter, food, clothing and enjoying a modest lifestyle. This gets back to responsibility. Why should I be held monitarily and socially responsible for your lack of judgement in having wanton sex. Sometimes I think righties are anti-choice because prevention of abortions provides plenty of fodder for military expansionism. You already have the choice to have sex or not have sex. If you have sex and a pregnancy results you have the responsibility to stand up and take responsibility and raise the child. |
US Military puts value on life
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... WaIIy wrote: On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:58:18 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: We don't value life much in the United States, not, of course, unless it is a fetus. Then we'll kill to protect it. No, you would just elect to kill the baby. No judge, no jury, no conscience. It's not a baby, it's a fetus. And the decision over whether to stay pregnant or not is a decision that rightfully belongs to the mother and her medical specialist. Depends upon what you believe. You obviously take the convienent view to your goal of promoting behavior where responsibility is not wanted. What I believe is the promotion of privacy and the ability of citizens to make medical decisions in conjunction with their medical professionals. You righties, but not necessarily you, Wally, are absolute hypocrites on the false "right-to-life" issue. Most righties don't give a tinker's dam about the problems millions of children already here facr in terms of medical care, shelter, food, clothing and enjoying a modest lifestyle. This gets back to responsibility. Why should I be held monitarily and socially responsible for your lack of judgement in having wanton sex. We're talking about the children here, dummy, not their parents. OF course, as a conservative GOP'er, you really don't give a damn about the children or the problems they face. After all, they've been born...and don't need championing, eh? |
US Military puts value on life
"Don White" wrote in message
... It's official. The US military fined Maj. Harry 'Psycho' Schmidt 2 half months pay.. (just over $ 5K) for killin' 4 Canadian soldiers. What's that ....just over $ 1250.00 per body. This of course doesn't count the additional 8 injured...one of which lost an eye. Killer Kowboy Schmidt thinks that's too much and is appealing the ruling. There are some intelligent men in the military though. Lt.-General Bruce Carlson, presiding officer at the trial, called Schmidt "arrogant" & "rash" citing lack of flight discipline and blatant disobeying direction to hold fire. His "willful misconduct directly caused the most egregious consequences imaginable". The general also cited Schmidt's "lack of integrity in not taking responsibility for his actions" and blaming others. I realize that different cultures hold the value of human life differently, but I will certainly be contacting my elected representative anytime there are rumors of Canadian military joining Bush's adventures. Find something else to whine about! |
US Military puts value on life
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... WaIIy wrote: On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:58:18 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: We don't value life much in the United States, not, of course, unless it is a fetus. Then we'll kill to protect it. No, you would just elect to kill the baby. No judge, no jury, no conscience. It's not a baby, it's a fetus. And the decision over whether to stay pregnant or not is a decision that rightfully belongs to the mother and her medical specialist. Depends upon what you believe. You obviously take the convienent view to your goal of promoting behavior where responsibility is not wanted. What I believe is the promotion of privacy and the ability of citizens to make medical decisions in conjunction with their medical professionals. Nobody is saying that you can't do just that. But, when a man and a woman have sex and the woman gets pregnant then the decision has to be made by the two of them. Why if the woman wants to abort and the man wants to keep the baby the womans desire is important. If the man wants to abort and the woman wants to keep the baby the man is made to pay for raising the child. If decisions are important then all parties involved need to be part of the decision making process. You righties, but not necessarily you, Wally, are absolute hypocrites on the false "right-to-life" issue. Most righties don't give a tinker's dam about the problems millions of children already here facr in terms of medical care, shelter, food, clothing and enjoying a modest lifestyle. This gets back to responsibility. Why should I be held monitarily and socially responsible for your lack of judgement in having wanton sex. We're talking about the children here, dummy, not their parents. OF course, as a conservative GOP'er, you really don't give a damn about the children or the problems they face. After all, they've been born...and don't need championing, eh? I am worried about the child that is sucked out and thrown away due to the parents selfishness. The selfless act is raising the child once it is concieved. |
US Military puts value on life
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... Find something else to whine about! What's the matter Bertie? Does the needless loss of human life mean that little to you? |
US Military puts value on life
Bert Robbins wrote:
Nobody is saying that you can't do just that. But, when a man and a woman have sex and the woman gets pregnant then the decision has to be made by the two of them. Nope. We're talking about the children here, dummy, not their parents. OF course, as a conservative GOP'er, you really don't give a damn about the children or the problems they face. After all, they've been born...and don't need championing, eh? I am worried about the child that is sucked out and thrown away due to the parents selfishness. The selfless act is raising the child once it is concieved. It's a fetus. Not a child. |
US Military puts value on life
Don White wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... Find something else to whine about! What's the matter Bertie? Does the needless loss of human life mean that little to you? Life is cheap to Bert and the rest of the right-wing trash. They are the ones who dismiss the deaths of US soldiers and Iraqi civilians in the current war, and the deaths of those Canadians killed by that repugnant pilotl. |
US Military puts value on life
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: Nobody is saying that you can't do just that. But, when a man and a woman have sex and the woman gets pregnant then the decision has to be made by the two of them. Nope. Why not, the child is a product of the two. There haven't been any immaculate conceptions in about 2000 years. We're talking about the children here, dummy, not their parents. OF course, as a conservative GOP'er, you really don't give a damn about the children or the problems they face. After all, they've been born...and don't need championing, eh? I am worried about the child that is sucked out and thrown away due to the parents selfishness. The selfless act is raising the child once it is concieved. It's a fetus. Not a child. Says who? |
US Military puts value on life
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ...
"Don White" wrote in message ... It's official. The US military fined Maj. Harry 'Psycho' Schmidt 2 half months pay.. (just over $ 5K) for killin' 4 Canadian soldiers. What's that ....just over $ 1250.00 per body. This of course doesn't count the additional 8 injured...one of which lost an eye. Killer Kowboy Schmidt thinks that's too much and is appealing the ruling. There are some intelligent men in the military though. Lt.-General Bruce Carlson, presiding officer at the trial, called Schmidt "arrogant" & "rash" citing lack of flight discipline and blatant disobeying direction to hold fire. His "willful misconduct directly caused the most egregious consequences imaginable". The general also cited Schmidt's "lack of integrity in not taking responsibility for his actions" and blaming others. I realize that different cultures hold the value of human life differently, but I will certainly be contacting my elected representative anytime there are rumors of Canadian military joining Bush's adventures. Find something else to whine about! Whine?? Do you think that, if those killed were your relatives, that you'd consider it whining when you spoke out about the stupid and selfish killings? |
US Military puts value on life
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:22:05 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... WaIIy wrote: On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:58:18 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: We don't value life much in the United States, not, of course, unless it is a fetus. Then we'll kill to protect it. No, you would just elect to kill the baby. No judge, no jury, no conscience. It's not a baby, it's a fetus. And the decision over whether to stay pregnant or not is a decision that rightfully belongs to the mother and her medical specialist. Depends upon what you believe. You obviously take the convienent view to your goal of promoting behavior where responsibility is not wanted. As I said before, if you had a child of yours that was born in the second tri-mester and is thriving your view would be different. You righties, but not necessarily you, Wally, are absolute hypocrites on the false "right-to-life" issue. Most righties don't give a tinker's dam about the problems millions of children already here facr in terms of medical care, shelter, food, clothing and enjoying a modest lifestyle. This gets back to responsibility. Why should I be held monitarily and socially responsible for your lack of judgement in having wanton sex. Sometimes I think righties are anti-choice because prevention of abortions provides plenty of fodder for military expansionism. You already have the choice to have sex or not have sex. If you have sex and a pregnancy results you have the responsibility to stand up and take responsibility and raise the child. Don't talk about personal responsibility. That gives liberals hives. Society is responsible for each and every problem that happens, and should bear the burden for their indiscretions. Dave |
US Military puts value on life
basskisser wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... It's official. The US military fined Maj. Harry 'Psycho' Schmidt 2 half months pay.. (just over $ 5K) for killin' 4 Canadian soldiers. What's that ....just over $ 1250.00 per body. This of course doesn't count the additional 8 injured...one of which lost an eye. Killer Kowboy Schmidt thinks that's too much and is appealing the ruling. There are some intelligent men in the military though. Lt.-General Bruce Carlson, presiding officer at the trial, called Schmidt "arrogant" & "rash" citing lack of flight discipline and blatant disobeying direction to hold fire. His "willful misconduct directly caused the most egregious consequences imaginable". The general also cited Schmidt's "lack of integrity in not taking responsibility for his actions" and blaming others. I realize that different cultures hold the value of human life differently, but I will certainly be contacting my elected representative anytime there are rumors of Canadian military joining Bush's adventures. Find something else to whine about! Whine?? Do you think that, if those killed were your relatives, that you'd consider it whining when you spoke out about the stupid and selfish killings? Bert's a Konservatrasher...he doesn't give a damn about who is killed, so long as he can control women who get pregnant. |
US Military puts value on life
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: Nobody is saying that you can't do just that. But, when a man and a woman have sex and the woman gets pregnant then the decision has to be made by the two of them. Nope. Why not, the child is a product of the two. There haven't been any immaculate conceptions in about 2000 years. You obviously do not know what the term "immaculate conception" means. In reference to Mary, it means she was brought about without original sin. The term you probably want is "virgin birth." No theology courses in your background, Berti-Krap? I see that you have been studying your enemy. We're talking about the children here, dummy, not their parents. OF course, as a conservative GOP'er, you really don't give a damn about the children or the problems they face. After all, they've been born...and don't need championing, eh? I am worried about the child that is sucked out and thrown away due to the parents selfishness. The selfless act is raising the child once it is concieved. It's a fetus. Not a child. Says who? Lots of people, including the majority of those with serious education in biological sciences. References to a fetus as a child is the result of fundie-think, not science. No surprise. You're the guy who thinks immaculate conception refers to non-sexual impregnation among humans. There was a time when those with serious education in the physical sciences thought that the earth was flat and that the earth is the center of the universe. Well, they turned out to be wrong too. |
US Military puts value on life
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: Nobody is saying that you can't do just that. But, when a man and a woman have sex and the woman gets pregnant then the decision has to be made by the two of them. Nope. Why not, the child is a product of the two. There haven't been any immaculate conceptions in about 2000 years. You obviously do not know what the term "immaculate conception" means. In reference to Mary, it means she was brought about without original sin. The term you probably want is "virgin birth." No theology courses in your background, Berti-Krap? I see that you have been studying your enemy. Sorry, Bertie, but I started learning about Catholic theology 55 years ago, as a wee laddie hanging out at St. Aedans in New Haven. Even as a pre-teenager, I knew the difference between immaculate conception and virgin birth. It's too bad you had such a ****-poor education, eh? We're talking about the children here, dummy, not their parents. OF course, as a conservative GOP'er, you really don't give a damn about the children or the problems they face. After all, they've been born...and don't need championing, eh? I am worried about the child that is sucked out and thrown away due to the parents selfishness. The selfless act is raising the child once it is concieved. It's a fetus. Not a child. Says who? Lots of people, including the majority of those with serious education in biological sciences. References to a fetus as a child is the result of fundie-think, not science. No surprise. You're the guy who thinks immaculate conception refers to non-sexual impregnation among humans. There was a time when those with serious education in the physical sciences thought that the earth was flat and that the earth is the center of the universe. Well, they turned out to be wrong too. Just as wrong as you are. If you don't know the difference between immaculate conception and virgin birth, you ought to stay out of discussions with religious moral overtones. It just makes you look...dumber. |
US Military puts value on life
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: Nobody is saying that you can't do just that. But, when a man and a woman have sex and the woman gets pregnant then the decision has to be made by the two of them. Nope. Why not, the child is a product of the two. There haven't been any immaculate conceptions in about 2000 years. You obviously do not know what the term "immaculate conception" means. In reference to Mary, it means she was brought about without original sin. The term you probably want is "virgin birth." No theology courses in your background, Berti-Krap? I see that you have been studying your enemy. Sorry, Bertie, but I started learning about Catholic theology 55 years ago, as a wee laddie hanging out at St. Aedans in New Haven. Even as a pre-teenager, I knew the difference between immaculate conception and virgin birth. It's too bad you had such a ****-poor education, eh? So did you win the lawsuit or did you just put it behind you and forget about the abuse? We're talking about the children here, dummy, not their parents. OF course, as a conservative GOP'er, you really don't give a damn about the children or the problems they face. After all, they've been born...and don't need championing, eh? I am worried about the child that is sucked out and thrown away due to the parents selfishness. The selfless act is raising the child once it is concieved. It's a fetus. Not a child. Says who? Lots of people, including the majority of those with serious education in biological sciences. References to a fetus as a child is the result of fundie-think, not science. No surprise. You're the guy who thinks immaculate conception refers to non-sexual impregnation among humans. There was a time when those with serious education in the physical sciences thought that the earth was flat and that the earth is the center of the universe. Well, they turned out to be wrong too. Just as wrong as you are. If you don't know the difference between immaculate conception and virgin birth, you ought to stay out of discussions with religious moral overtones. It just makes you look...dumber. Ah the joys of Usenet, where anybody can be anything. You can have a 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat and a wife that is a MD PhD. |
US Military puts value on life
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Life is cheap to Bert and the rest of the right-wing trash. They are the ones who dismiss the deaths of US soldiers and Iraqi civilians in the current war, and the deaths of those Canadians killed by that repugnant pilotl. That come from a person who believes that life of an infant is "cheap". Harry and his kind have no problem performing a partial birth abortion, one that lets a baby be born until only it's head is left in the birth canal. Then they insert a tube into its head and suck its brain out, or they use forceps and crush its skull, of they cut the umbilical cord and bleed it to death. This is the Liberal Left that Harry and his henchmen want you to sign on to. Makes you sick, huh? The US Democratic Party... the party of hatred and baby killing. Jack |
US Military puts value on life
Jack Goff wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Life is cheap to Bert and the rest of the right-wing trash. They are the ones who dismiss the deaths of US soldiers and Iraqi civilians in the current war, and the deaths of those Canadians killed by that repugnant pilotl. That come from a person who believes that life of an infant is "cheap". Some fantasy of yours, Bertie? You right-wing trashmeisters are the ones who don't a damn about children who are already here. Harry and his kind have no problem performing a partial birth abortion, one that lets a baby be born until only it's head is left in the birth canal. Then they insert a tube into its head and suck its brain out, or they use forceps and crush its skull, of they cut the umbilical cord and bleed it to death. Nice try, ****head...now go for something real. |
US Military puts value on life
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Jack Goff wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Life is cheap to Bert and the rest of the right-wing trash. They are the ones who dismiss the deaths of US soldiers and Iraqi civilians in the current war, and the deaths of those Canadians killed by that repugnant pilotl. That come from a person who believes that life of an infant is "cheap". Some fantasy of yours, Bertie? You right-wing trashmeisters are the ones who don't a damn about children who are already here. How many children have you adpoted? How much of your take home pay do you send to organizations, that keep 90%, to feed the children in other countries. Show us the way, be the example, shut your mouth and open your wallet. Harry and his kind have no problem performing a partial birth abortion, one that lets a baby be born until only it's head is left in the birth canal. Then they insert a tube into its head and suck its brain out, or they use forceps and crush its skull, of they cut the umbilical cord and bleed it to death. Nice try, ****head...now go for something real. "Nice try?" this is exactly how the abortionists describe the procedure of partial birth abortion. These abortionists do everything they can to not see the fact of the baby before they kill it. |
US Military puts value on life
"Jack Goff" wrote in message r.com...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Life is cheap to Bert and the rest of the right-wing trash. They are the ones who dismiss the deaths of US soldiers and Iraqi civilians in the current war, and the deaths of those Canadians killed by that repugnant pilotl. That come from a person who believes that life of an infant is "cheap". Harry and his kind have no problem performing a partial birth abortion, one that lets a baby be born until only it's head is left in the birth canal. Then they insert a tube into its head and suck its brain out, or they use forceps and crush its skull, of they cut the umbilical cord and bleed it to death. This is the Liberal Left that Harry and his henchmen want you to sign on to. Makes you sick, huh? The US Democratic Party... the party of hatred and baby killing. Jack Listen to conservative talk shows, if you want to see REAL hate. As for the killing part, I suggest you look in the ****ing body bags coming from Iraq, you piece of ****. |
US Military puts value on life
basskisser wrote:
"Jack Goff" wrote in message r.com... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Life is cheap to Bert and the rest of the right-wing trash. They are the ones who dismiss the deaths of US soldiers and Iraqi civilians in the current war, and the deaths of those Canadians killed by that repugnant pilotl. That come from a person who believes that life of an infant is "cheap". Harry and his kind have no problem performing a partial birth abortion, one that lets a baby be born until only it's head is left in the birth canal. Then they insert a tube into its head and suck its brain out, or they use forceps and crush its skull, of they cut the umbilical cord and bleed it to death. This is the Liberal Left that Harry and his henchmen want you to sign on to. Makes you sick, huh? The US Democratic Party... the party of hatred and baby killing. Jack Listen to conservative talk shows, if you want to see REAL hate. As for the killing part, I suggest you look in the ****ing body bags coming from Iraq, you piece of ****. Those guys and gals don't count; they're just pawns in the GOP game. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... It's official. The US military fined Maj. Harry 'Psycho' Schmidt 2 half months pay.. (just over $ 5K) for killin' 4 Canadian soldiers. What's that ....just over $ 1250.00 per body. This of course doesn't count the additional 8 injured...one of which lost an eye. Killer Kowboy Schmidt thinks that's too much and is appealing the ruling. There are some intelligent men in the military though. Lt.-General Bruce Carlson, presiding officer at the trial, called Schmidt "arrogant" & "rash" citing lack of flight discipline and blatant disobeying direction to hold fire. His "willful misconduct directly caused the most egregious consequences imaginable". The general also cited Schmidt's "lack of integrity in not taking responsibility for his actions" and blaming others. I realize that different cultures hold the value of human life differently, but I will certainly be contacting my elected representative anytime there are rumors of Canadian military joining Bush's adventures. |
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