wrote in message news:5TRGc.4940
Tell you what, if you want yourself to look credible on this, perhaps you
can locate the actual numbers for what did happen rather than relying on
the
premonitions you are quoting.


Here's a great article:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busine...oeingweb.shtml

Not only does it substantiate my claim about the 1999 and 2000 layoffs, it
also points out that the great majority of jobs lost in 2001 under Bush was
a result of 9/11.

Here's an excerpt:

2000: May: Boeing ends two years of job cuts, reducing companywide payroll
from 238,400 in February 1998, to 191,500.

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Feel better now?

Ok.. So what you are admitting here is that the projected loss of 48,000
jobs made in 1998 in actuality was 46,900 jobs lost.

Looks to me that 1,100 projected job losses were actually saved.

So I gather you took the projection to be fact and when pressured you proved
your own fact wrong.

If you look further into this story you have referenced, you will see that
Boeing had a slow year in 1997, delivering only 375 airplanes, they then
announced payroll reduction and terminations to meet that end which was
followed by 563 airplane deliveries in 1998, 620 in 1999. They ended the 2
years of job cuts just in time to see the deliveries drop to 489 in 2000.

You also missed this very important quote:
"Boeing and the airlines were already suffering under the weight of a
sluggish economy before two commercial jets destroyed the World Trade Center
Towers last Tuesday, and damaged the Pentagon. A fourth airliner
commandeered by hijackers crashed in Pennsylvania."

Your quote:
"Not only does it substantiate my claim about the 1999 and 2000 layoffs, it
also points out that the great majority of jobs lost in 2001 under Bush was
a result of 9/11."

While an interesting take on the situation, the terrorism was nothing more
than a "final straw" of an already larger problem. Please keep in mind,
Boeing was scheduled to deliver 538 airplane in 2001. This number was only
reduced by 38 in their projections for the year. Taking into account of
"worse case scenario" Boeing projected a reduction of 120 airplanes for
2002.


Congratulations NOYB, you have now learned the lesson of making sure your
facts are correct before sticking your foot in your mouth. Perhaps you would
be interested in location the final outcome of these job losses Boeing
predicted 8 days after the terrorist attacks.

(I'll give you a hint, 36,490 as of November 22, 2003. Boeing had predicted
30,000) Rather interesting side point is that now Boeing is sharing profits
with the remaining work force.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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wrote in message news:5TRGc.4940
Tell you what, if you want yourself to look credible on this, perhaps
you
can locate the actual numbers for what did happen rather than relying on
the
premonitions you are quoting.


Here's a great article:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busine...oeingweb.shtml

Not only does it substantiate my claim about the 1999 and 2000 layoffs, it
also points out that the great majority of jobs lost in 2001 under Bush
was
a result of 9/11.

Here's an excerpt:

2000: May: Boeing ends two years of job cuts, reducing companywide payroll
from 238,400 in February 1998, to 191,500.

----------------------------------------------------
Feel better now?

wrote in message
ink.net...
Ok.. So what you are admitting here is that the projected loss of 48,000
jobs made in 1998 in actuality was 46,900 jobs lost.

Looks to me that 1,100 projected job losses were actually saved.

So I gather you took the projection to be fact and when pressured you
proved
your own fact wrong.


Wow. I was off by a whopping 2%. You sure got me there.



If you look further into this story you have referenced, you will see that
Boeing had a slow year in 1997, delivering only 375 airplanes, they then
announced payroll reduction and terminations to meet that end

Sure they did.

Boeing hired more than 25,000 engineers in 1998. They got rid of almost
twice that many in 1999 and 2000.

Trying to blame cuts in 1999 and 2000 on the 1993 WTC attack is downright
comical...especially when in the next breath you discount the effect of the
9/11/01 attack.

My dad has been a supplier to the aircraft industry for nearly 40 years.
Boeing and Sikorsky are his two biggest accounts. My brother worked for
Boeing at the exact time in question. I think I know a little bit more
about this than you. But if you insist on keep making an ass of yourself,
please don't let me stop you.

No NOYB, you make a fool of yourself when you have the facts in your own
evidence and you ignore it, and an even bigger fool when you remove the
facts when they are pointed out to you just so you can attack.

You know, you are so easy sometimes... I am beginning to miss the days when
you weren't quite so predictable!!

By the way, if you do a little research, you will find that any employee
with Boeing terminated prior to 14 months on the job, does get a severance
package to assist them in relocation if needed. You might want to tell your
brother about it.


"NOYB" wrote in message
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wrote in message
ink.net...
Ok.. So what you are admitting here is that the projected loss of 48,000
jobs made in 1998 in actuality was 46,900 jobs lost.

Looks to me that 1,100 projected job losses were actually saved.

So I gather you took the projection to be fact and when pressured you
proved
your own fact wrong.


Wow. I was off by a whopping 2%. You sure got me there.



If you look further into this story you have referenced, you will see
that
Boeing had a slow year in 1997, delivering only 375 airplanes, they then
announced payroll reduction and terminations to meet that end

Sure they did.

Boeing hired more than 25,000 engineers in 1998. They got rid of almost
twice that many in 1999 and 2000.

Trying to blame cuts in 1999 and 2000 on the 1993 WTC attack is downright
comical...especially when in the next breath you discount the effect of
the
9/11/01 attack.

My dad has been a supplier to the aircraft industry for nearly 40 years.
Boeing and Sikorsky are his two biggest accounts. My brother worked for
Boeing at the exact time in question. I think I know a little bit more
about this than you. But if you insist on keep making an ass of yourself,
please don't let me stop you.

wrote in message
nk.net...
No NOYB, you make a fool of yourself when you have the facts in your own
evidence and you ignore it, and an even bigger fool when you remove the
facts when they are pointed out to you just so you can attack.

You know, you are so easy sometimes... I am beginning to miss the days
when
you weren't quite so predictable!!

By the way, if you do a little research, you will find that any employee
with Boeing terminated prior to 14 months on the job, does get a severance
package to assist them in relocation if needed. You might want to tell
your
brother about it.


Not in 1999. It was 12 months.