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I have bought a 30 year old sailboat with an atomic 4 engine. It ran
last fall but was not properly winterized. How do I check it while its in drydock? Thoughts on replacement if its cooked? |
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Thoughts on replacement if its cooked?
take ten to twelve grand or more to your local, friendly marina and have them install a smelly, noisy, vibrating, expensive to maintain, finicky fuel system diesel engine. or spend a few minutes and make the Atomic 4 run for yet another season or ten. |
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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:31:18 +0000, martin v pool wrote:
I have bought a 30 year old sailboat with an atomic 4 engine. It ran last fall but was not properly winterized. How do I check it while its in drydock? Thoughts on replacement if its cooked? Contact Robert at Atomic 4 Engine Service: http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Atomic_4...vice/index.htm He knows All There Is To Know about the Atomic 4, and has several options for replacement. I bought my Westerbeke/Universal engine off him - I'm VERY pleased with it and with his service! Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 |
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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:31:18 -0700, martin v pool
wrote: I have bought a 30 year old sailboat with an atomic 4 engine. It ran last fall but was not properly winterized. How do I check it while its in drydock? Thoughts on replacement if its cooked? Check the compression. If the compression looks ok, more than likely it's good to go for another season. Cylinders three and four tend to have sticky valves due to exhaust water getting back into the back of the manifold. If you have no compression in either of those cylinders, a stuck valve is probably the cause. You can squirt a little Marvel Mystery oil into the cylinder and let it soak. Just the right sized allen wrench can be stuck through the plug hole and slid over the stuck valve. Tap the valve free. Turn the engine over and see if the valve sticks again. Repeat until the valve no longer sticks. Old timers used to ad MMO to the gas, but how much I don't remember. A real weak point on those engines is the electrical system. Not a bad idea to change out the coil, points, plugs, condenser, rotor, rotor cap and and plug wires. Also, the carb tends to get gummed up. A rebuild, or cleaning, is more than likely in order. A4s like to be choked when starting, even if they are warm. If the engine will sputter along while the choke is on, but not when you turn it off, you've got a clogged carb. Not a bad engine, but they take "lots" of attention. You should be personally very aware of how to maintaint both the fuel and ignition systems. For some reason A4s seem to get a big thrill of not starting when you're about to go under a draw bridge. At that point they're about as useful as the information Jax gave you in another post. bb |
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1) go to www.sailnet.com and join the Atomic 4 mailing list
-- lots of knowledge there 2) Go to WWW moyermarine.com and get his A4 manual -- more information than you will ever need; $50, but worth 10x as much. Don is a great guy and will often give free advice over the phone. He'll also do a rebuild if you need it. The A4 is a wondrous machine -- you will swear at it, mash knuckles, contort your body into positions you didn't think possible, but in the end it will be like an old friend, and someday you will be just a little sad to move on martin v pool wrote: I have bought a 30 year old sailboat with an atomic 4 engine. It ran last fall but was not properly winterized. How do I check it while its in drydock? Thoughts on replacement if its cooked? |
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A real weak point on those engines is the electrical system. Not a
bad idea to change out the coil, points, plugs, condenser, rotor, rotor cap and and plug wires. yeah, a genuine weak point. the damned points, condensor and rotor/cap only lasted eight years before I had to replace them. crummy engine. |
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Also, the carb tends to get gummed up. A rebuild, or cleaning, is
more than likely in order. yeah, gasoline does gum up a carb after a few decades. a serious problem, that is. |
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A4s like to be choked when starting, even
if they are warm. yup, a serious problem, *IF* you have the manifold bolts loose. |
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If the engine will sputter along while the choke is
on, but not when you turn it off, you've got a clogged carb. yup, a common problem once every few decades. NOT since 1970, but if you have gas older than that in your tank, check it out. |
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Not a bad engine, but they take "lots" of attention.
yup, it is *SO* time consuming to change spark plugs ever spring. |
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For some reason A4s seem to get a big thrill of not starting when
you're about to go under a draw bridge. At that point they're about as useful as the information Jax gave you in another post. one thing JAX has NEVER stated is that an emergency anchor always at the ready is a required safety item. you see only drivers of smelly, vibranting diesels with finicky fuel systems believe that tripe. want an diesel? be sure to carry your spare anchor at the ready in the cockpit. Atomic 4 owners have no idea why you do that but you can feel smug telling *that* is in case your engine quits. |
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I own lots of engines. I laugh at idiots who make idiotic statements about
engines. btw, the ill-fated fishing boat in "The Perfect Storm" had what kind of engine installed. I guarantee you, it was a gasoline engine, according to the author of the book. So, was it a gas engine or a diesel or a steam engine or a nuclear reactor? bla keys is gonna tell us, right? From: " Date: 7/6/2004 11:07 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: On 06 Jul 2004 03:44:29 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: want an diesel? be sure to carry your spare anchor at the ready in the cockpit. Atomic 4 owners have no idea why you do that but you can feel smug telling *that* is in case your engine quits. Let me guess, Jax owns an A4 so it's the best possible engine. When Jax is able to get a diesel, he'll cuss A4s for the rest of his life. bb |
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From: (JAXAshby) Date: 07/06/2004 20:26 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: I own lots of engines. I laugh at idiots who make idiotic statements about engines. btw, the ill-fated fishing boat in "The Perfect Storm" had what kind of engine installed. I guarantee you, it was a gasoline engine, according to the author of the book. So, was it a gas engine or a diesel or a steam engine or a nuclear reactor? G I'll guarantee you it was diesel. No commercial fisherman with a boat that size and the requirements placed on the engine for continuous operation and power take-offs would be using a gas engine. I'll let others argue torque, reliability, time between overhauls, HP and fuel economy. Shen |
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Shen44 wrote: Subject: atomic 4 From: (JAXAshby) Date: 07/06/2004 20:26 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: I own lots of engines. I laugh at idiots who make idiotic statements about engines. btw, the ill-fated fishing boat in "The Perfect Storm" had what kind of engine installed. I guarantee you, it was a gasoline engine, according to the author of the book. So, was it a gas engine or a diesel or a steam engine or a nuclear reactor? G I'll guarantee you it was diesel. No commercial fisherman with a boat that size and the requirements placed on the engine for continuous operation and power take-offs would be using a gas engine. I'll let others argue torque, reliability, time between overhauls, HP and fuel economy. Shen Shen, it's a simple Jaxass troll, looking for an argument. The idiot has never been closer than 100' to a boat like this, and wouldn't have a clue as to what he was seeing, if he had. otn |
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sorry, shen, but the author clearly stated the engine was gasoline.
I own lots of engines. I laugh at idiots who make idiotic statements about engines. btw, the ill-fated fishing boat in "The Perfect Storm" had what kind of engine installed. I guarantee you, it was a gasoline engine, according to the author of the book. So, was it a gas engine or a diesel or a steam engine or a nuclear reactor? G I'll guarantee you it was diesel. No commercial fisherman with a boat that size and the requirements placed on the engine for continuous operation and power take-offs would be using a gas engine. I'll let others argue torque, reliability, time between overhauls, HP and fuel economy. Shen |
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sorry, over the knee, the author clearly stated the boat had a gasoline engine.
Do you have trouble reading English? Shen44 wrote: Subject: atomic 4 From: (JAXAshby) Date: 07/06/2004 20:26 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: I own lots of engines. I laugh at idiots who make idiotic statements about engines. btw, the ill-fated fishing boat in "The Perfect Storm" had what kind of engine installed. I guarantee you, it was a gasoline engine, according to the author of the book. So, was it a gas engine or a diesel or a steam engine or a nuclear reactor? G I'll guarantee you it was diesel. No commercial fisherman with a boat that size and the requirements placed on the engine for continuous operation and power take-offs would be using a gas engine. I'll let others argue torque, reliability, time between overhauls, HP and fuel economy. Shen Shen, it's a simple Jaxass troll, looking for an argument. The idiot has never been closer than 100' to a boat like this, and wouldn't have a clue as to what he was seeing, if he had. otn |
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JAXAshby wrote: sorry, over the knee, the author clearly stated the boat had a gasoline engine. Do you have trouble reading English? Do you believe everything you see in print? If you do, you're dumber than I thought.... and I think your basic intelligence level is quite low. To be blunt, I don't give a rats ass what the "author" said .... that boat had a diesel engine. nuff said otn |
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sorry, over the knee, the author clearly stated the boat had a gasoline
engine. Do you have trouble reading English? Here's a link to a page where the author uses the phrase "without diesel engine" but he wasn't stating that the Andrea Gail didn't have a diesel. He was stating that the fishing industry might be able to continue without diesel engines, but not without ice. http://www.capepondice.com/perfectstorm_movie.htm "Lady Grace" built side by side and virtually identical to "Andrea Gail" in Panama City, FLA, has a 1271 Detroit Diesel Quote: And so the Lady Grace begins her long journey back to a normal life as an ordinary swordfishing boat after starring as the Andrea Gail in The Perfect Storm. Built side by side with the Andrea Gail in Panama City, FL in 1978, the Lady Grace is nearly identical to the ship that ran into the Halloween Storm of 1991. Capt. Layton, who trolls the Atlantic for swordfish, tuna and the occasional mako shark, spent most of last year hanging out with Hollywood big fish like George Clooney and director-producer Wolfgang Petersen while captaining the ship for film shoots in Gloucester, MA and southern California. So with the film now behind them, Sonny and crew have one last journey to make before they can roll out the longlines again. And do what they do best? Fish. Sonny has captained the Lady Grace for the past six years, spending most of that time at sea. As we passed Cabo San Lucas at the tip of Baja California, Sonny was feeling right at home. "I'm in heaven," he said from his wheelhouse throne. "I got my girl back and I'm in the middle of the ocean. It doesn't get any better for me." For the next four weeks, the Lady Grace will sail down the coast of Mexico and Central America to the Panama Canal. After crossing the canal for the first time since being turned over to Panamanian control, the ship will steam through the Cayman Islands in the Caribbean Sea to our first port of call — Miami, FL. From there we'll catch the Gulf Stream and ride the Atlantic highway up to New York City, Boston, and finally back to Gloucester where the Crow's Nest stands lookout behind the marina. The Lady Grace is a western rig longliner primarily used for catching large pelagic fish like tuna, swordfish, and mahi mahi. She's 73 feet long, 20 feet wide and weighs 93 tons — without a hold full of ice and fish. There's not a lot of comfort on this vessel. It was designed for two things only — catching fish and storing fish. On level with the deck are two small bunkrooms, which can stack four fishermen sleeping nose to tail. It's so cramped that once you've climbed out of bed, you've already left the room. A narrow galley connects the sleeping quarters to two ladders - one leading up to Sonny's wheelhouse and the other down to the engine room where Bill Botsch keeps the 1271 Detroit diesel engine purring like a catfish. End quote....... Depending on how the engine is set up, I believe most 1271's produce 700-1000 HP. Can you suggest a gasoline engine that would be suitable for an application like the Andrea Gail? |
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From: (JAXAshby) Date: 07/07/2004 18:26 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: sorry, shen, but the author clearly stated the engine was gasoline. Could care less what some writer stated. No one in their right mind would power a boat that size with gasoline. Considering the size of the boat and duration of the trips and requirements beside the propellor, how many 600HP (and I'll admit that's a guess) gasoline engines do you know of that are "marinized" to run for two weeks at a time (+) at that rated HP, and to last 8-9,000 hrs (@300,000-400,000 miles) before a top end overhaul. Take a look at the web sight for the Andrea Gail and look at the pictures of the sister boat.... my guess, a Detroit 149 something or other. (could be a smaller 71/92) Do you know why I'm guessing Detroit? Sorry Jax, but, unlike you, I've been around a lot of fishing boats over the last 30-40 years, and I've seen few if any "gasoline" powered boats. Shen |
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Gould 0738 wrote: sorry, over the knee, the author clearly stated the boat had a gasoline engine. Do you have trouble reading English? Here's a link to a page where the author uses the phrase "without diesel engine" but he wasn't stating that the Andrea Gail didn't have a diesel. He was stating that the fishing industry might be able to continue without diesel engines, but not without ice. http://www.capepondice.com/perfectstorm_movie.htm "Lady Grace" built side by side and virtually identical to "Andrea Gail" in Panama City, FLA, has a 1271 Detroit Diesel Quote: And so the Lady Grace begins her long journey back to a normal life as an ordinary swordfishing boat after starring as the Andrea Gail in The Perfect Storm. Built side by side with the Andrea Gail in Panama City, FL in 1978, the Lady Grace is nearly identical to the ship that ran into the Halloween Storm of 1991. Capt. Layton, who trolls the Atlantic for swordfish, tuna and the occasional mako shark, spent most of last year hanging out with Hollywood big fish like George Clooney and director-producer Wolfgang Petersen while captaining the ship for film shoots in Gloucester, MA and southern California. So with the film now behind them, Sonny and crew have one last journey to make before they can roll out the longlines again. And do what they do best? Fish. Sonny has captained the Lady Grace for the past six years, spending most of that time at sea. As we passed Cabo San Lucas at the tip of Baja California, Sonny was feeling right at home. "I'm in heaven," he said from his wheelhouse throne. "I got my girl back and I'm in the middle of the ocean. It doesn't get any better for me." For the next four weeks, the Lady Grace will sail down the coast of Mexico and Central America to the Panama Canal. After crossing the canal for the first time since being turned over to Panamanian control, the ship will steam through the Cayman Islands in the Caribbean Sea to our first port of call — Miami, FL. From there we'll catch the Gulf Stream and ride the Atlantic highway up to New York City, Boston, and finally back to Gloucester where the Crow's Nest stands lookout behind the marina. The Lady Grace is a western rig longliner primarily used for catching large pelagic fish like tuna, swordfish, and mahi mahi. She's 73 feet long, 20 feet wide and weighs 93 tons — without a hold full of ice and fish. There's not a lot of comfort on this vessel. It was designed for two things only — catching fish and storing fish. On level with the deck are two small bunkrooms, which can stack four fishermen sleeping nose to tail. It's so cramped that once you've climbed out of bed, you've already left the room. A narrow galley connects the sleeping quarters to two ladders - one leading up to Sonny's wheelhouse and the other down to the engine room where Bill Botsch keeps the 1271 Detroit diesel engine purring like a catfish. End quote....... Depending on how the engine is set up, I believe most 1271's produce 700-1000 HP. Can you suggest a gasoline engine that would be suitable for an application like the Andrea Gail? Thanks. I only found the pictures of the sister, and was sure it was a "Detroit", but not sure of the size. A 12-71 is a popular engine for these boats, though I remember slightly less HP, depending on NA/TI and injector size. I doubt you could find a gas engine that would match or be suitable.....especially for longevity and fuel consumption. otn |
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On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 02:40:32 GMT, something compelled otnmbrd
, to say: I doubt you could find a gas engine that would match or be suitable.....especially for longevity and fuel consumption. Nobody who expects to do serious work with a large boat would chose gasoline for a fuel. Were it suitable, you'd see Peterbilt, Kenworth, and Mack trucks with Chevy 454's. |
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over the knee? *you* think ***they*** would print something that wasn't true??
sorry, over the knee, the author clearly stated the boat had a gasoline engine. Do you have trouble reading English? Do you believe everything you see in print? If you do, you're dumber than I thought.... and I think your basic intelligence level is quite low. To be blunt, I don't give a rats ass what the "author" said .... that boat had a diesel engine. nuff said otn |
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over the knee? while *you did do a LOT of googling, *you* did NOT find where
the authur CLEARLY stated the fishing boat had a gasoline engine. are you still claiming, over the knee, that you read *****English*****, the language the book was written in??????]]]sorry, over the knee, the author clearly stated the boat had a gasoline engine. Do you have trouble reading English? Here's a link to a page where the author uses the phrase "without diesel engine" but he wasn't stating that the Andrea Gail didn't have a diesel. He was stating that the fishing industry might be able to continue without diesel engines, but not without ice. http://www.capepondice.com/perfectstorm_movie.htm "Lady Grace" built side by side and virtually identical to "Andrea Gail" in Panama City, FLA, has a 1271 Detroit Diesel Quote: And so the Lady Grace begins her long journey back to a normal life as an ordinary swordfishing boat after starring as the Andrea Gail in The Perfect Storm. Built side by side with the Andrea Gail in Panama City, FL in 1978, the Lady Grace is nearly identical to the ship that ran into the Halloween Storm of 1991. Capt. Layton, who trolls the Atlantic for swordfish, tuna and the occasional mako shark, spent most of last year hanging out with Hollywood big fish like George Clooney and director-producer Wolfgang Petersen while captaining the ship for film shoots in Gloucester, MA and southern California. So with the film now behind them, Sonny and crew have one last journey to make before they can roll out the longlines again. And do what they do best? Fish. Sonny has captained the Lady Grace for the past six years, spending most of that time at sea. As we passed Cabo San Lucas at the tip of Baja California, Sonny was feeling right at home. "I'm in heaven," he said from his wheelhouse throne. "I got my girl back and I'm in the middle of the ocean. It doesn't get any better for me." For the next four weeks, the Lady Grace will sail down the coast of Mexico and Central America to the Panama Canal. After crossing the canal for the first time since being turned over to Panamanian control, the ship will steam through the Cayman Islands in the Caribbean Sea to our first port of call — Miami, FL. From there we'll catch the Gulf Stream and ride the Atlantic highway up to New York City, Boston, and finally back to Gloucester where the Crow's Nest stands lookout behind the marina. The Lady Grace is a western rig longliner primarily used for catching large pelagic fish like tuna, swordfish, and mahi mahi. She's 73 feet long, 20 feet wide and weighs 93 tons — without a hold full of ice and fish. There's not a lot of comfort on this vessel. It was designed for two things only — catching fish and storing fish. On level with the deck are two small bunkrooms, which can stack four fishermen sleeping nose to tail. It's so cramped that once you've climbed out of bed, you've already left the room. A narrow galley connects the sleeping quarters to two ladders - one leading up to Sonny's wheelhouse and the other down to the engine room where Bill Botsch keeps the 1271 Detroit diesel engine purring like a catfish. End quote....... Depending on how the engine is set up, I believe most 1271's produce 700-1000 HP. Can you suggest a gasoline engine that would be suitable for an application like the Andrea Gail? |
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YET, the author is "The Perfect Storm" *****clearly***** stated the boat had a
gasoline engine. are *you* saying a different? Have you read the book? Do you read English? From: "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" Date: 7/7/2004 11:11 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 02:40:32 GMT, something compelled otnmbrd , to say: I doubt you could find a gas engine that would match or be suitable.....especially for longevity and fuel consumption. Nobody who expects to do serious work with a large boat would chose gasoline for a fuel. Were it suitable, you'd see Peterbilt, Kenworth, and Mack trucks with Chevy 454's. |
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shen, you wish to argue with me about it? Why?? Argue with the author. *He*
interviewed the people close at hand. *you*, on the other hand, haven't even read the book. From: (Shen44) Date: 7/7/2004 10:05 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Subject: atomic 4 From: (JAXAshby) Date: 07/07/2004 18:26 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: sorry, shen, but the author clearly stated the engine was gasoline. Could care less what some writer stated. No one in their right mind would power a boat that size with gasoline. Considering the size of the boat and duration of the trips and requirements beside the propellor, how many 600HP (and I'll admit that's a guess) gasoline engines do you know of that are "marinized" to run for two weeks at a time (+) at that rated HP, and to last 8-9,000 hrs (@300,000-400,000 miles) before a top end overhaul. Take a look at the web sight for the Andrea Gail and look at the pictures of the sister boat.... my guess, a Detroit 149 something or other. (could be a smaller 71/92) Do you know why I'm guessing Detroit? Sorry Jax, but, unlike you, I've been around a lot of fishing boats over the last 30-40 years, and I've seen few if any "gasoline" powered boats. Shen |
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gene, listen to what I said. I did NOT say the boat had a gasoline engine (I
am sure it did not), but did say the author clearly stated it did. It was just one sentence in the book, but the author clearly stated it. I guess you didn't read the book, eh? sorry, over the knee, the author clearly stated the boat had a gasoline engine. Clearly and demonstrably untrue. Do you have trouble reading English? No, but apparently, you do. The author never said what you attribute to him, Jax. What he said was, "Commercial fishing simply wouldn't be possible without ice. Without diesel engines, maybe; ..." The sister ship had a diesel engine. http://www.andreagail.com/The_Andrea...drea_gail.html Some other interesting items that I suspect are factual, but can't confirm.... http://www.library.piercelaw.edu/Exa..._Fall_1999.htm Now, please leave study hall, go back to remedial reading, and try to catch up to grade level -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
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gene, listen to what I said. I did NOT say the boat had a gasoline engine (I
am sure it did not), but did say the author clearly stated it did. It was just one sentence in the book, but the author clearly stated it. I guess you didn't read the book, eh? or didn't understand all those big words on the pages after pages after pages. sorry, over the knee, the author clearly stated the boat had a gasoline engine. Clearly and demonstrably untrue. Do you have trouble reading English? No, but apparently, you do. The author never said what you attribute to him, Jax. What he said was, "Commercial fishing simply wouldn't be possible without ice. Without diesel engines, maybe; ..." The sister ship had a diesel engine. http://www.andreagail.com/The_Andrea...drea_gail.html Some other interesting items that I suspect are factual, but can't confirm.... http://www.library.piercelaw.edu/Exa..._Fall_1999.htm Now, please leave study hall, go back to remedial reading, and try to catch up to grade level -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
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gene, fine fine fine **LICENSED** mechanic that you are with 000's and 000's
and 000's of hours professionally fixing engines when was the last time *you* saw a boat with a diesel engine that had spark plugs??? you didn't notice that, did you. but you maybe miss 80% of what you try to read anyway. gene, listen to what I said. I did NOT say the boat had a gasoline engine (I am sure it did not), but did say the author clearly stated it did. I didn't HEAR anything, but I DID post the author's quote. What part about " " did I not make clear? How about posting what the author said verbatim (plus about two sentences on either side) if it is different from what I quoted.... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
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***yet*** the author CLEARLY states the engine is a gasoline. Are **YOU**
stateing te boat sank because it did NOT have a gas engine? Or are you saying you can't read anything written in English?? It would take you less effort to open the book, find the paragraph that may contain the erroneous phrase stating that Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine, and copy it to the NG than to wail on and on that the people who disagree with you are illiterate in English. |
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From: (JAXAshby) Date: 07/07/2004 18:26 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: sorry, shen, but the author clearly stated the engine was gasoline. LOL otn doesn't give a rat's ass ... I don't give a rat's patoot what the author said, or don't you comprehend English? The engine was diesel, end of discussion .... go back to the playground and your comic books (yes, I've read the book, and yes I remember finding errors). Shen |
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From: (JAXAshby) Date: 07/07/2004 21:15 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: shen, you wish to argue with me about it? Why?? Argue with the author. You need to learn the difference between arguing a point and stating a point. I'm not arguing about what the author may (I say may, because you've shown extremely poor reading comprehension levels in the past) have said, I'm stating the point that the engine was diesel. *He* interviewed the people close at hand. .....and this guarantees total accuracy, how? *you*, on the other hand, haven't even read the book. *you* are typically, making an assumption based on scanty information, which you can not verify .... I've read the book. Happy trolling, Jaxass. I've had my say. Shen |
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Also, was probably an Atomic 4..
"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... gene, listen to what I said. I did NOT say the boat had a gasoline engine (I am sure it did not), but did say the author clearly stated it did. It was just one sentence in the book, but the author clearly stated it. I guess you didn't read the book, eh? sorry, over the knee, the author clearly stated the boat had a gasoline engine. Clearly and demonstrably untrue. Do you have trouble reading English? No, but apparently, you do. The author never said what you attribute to him, Jax. What he said was, "Commercial fishing simply wouldn't be possible without ice. Without diesel engines, maybe; ..." The sister ship had a diesel engine. http://www.andreagail.com/The_Andrea...drea_gail.html Some other interesting items that I suspect are factual, but can't confirm.... http://www.library.piercelaw.edu/Exa..._Fall_1999.htm Now, please leave study hall, go back to remedial reading, and try to catch up to grade level -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
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gould, nobody her but me read the book. several have googled looking for parts
of it, but none have read it. in fact, most could not if they tried. ***yet*** the author CLEARLY states the engine is a gasoline. Are **YOU** stateing te boat sank because it did NOT have a gas engine? Or are you saying you can't read anything written in English?? It would take you less effort to open the book, find the paragraph that may contain the erroneous phrase stating that Andrea Gail had a gasoline engine, and copy it to the NG than to wail on and on that the people who disagree with you are illiterate in English. |
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I don't give a rat's patoot what the
author said that is why you remain so ignorant, shen. Shen |
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I've read the book.
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gould, nobody her but me read the book. several have googled looking for
parts of it, but none have read it. in fact, most could not if they tried. I read it, and I'm sure many of the other NG folks did as well. For most of us, it has been several years now and we have all read at least a few things since. The author may have screwed up. As you have said, the author's misperception that there could have been sparkplugs or a gas engine on the Andrea Gail doesn't make it so. If the author, the proofreader, and the editor were all unaware of the differences between gasoline and diesel engines (and why a vessel like Andrea Gail would never be powered with a gas engine) such a misprint could have slipped through. Still, you are the one insisting this error exists. Do you know where it is? |
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First Edition, at least. Assuming you know what the term means that is enough.
If not, ask again. gould, nobody her but me read the book. several have googled looking for parts of it, but none have read it. in fact, most could not if they tried. I read it, and I'm sure many of the other NG folks did as well. For most of us, it has been several years now and we have all read at least a few things since. The author may have screwed up. As you have said, the author's misperception that there could have been sparkplugs or a gas engine on the Andrea Gail doesn't make it so. If the author, the proofreader, and the editor were all unaware of the differences between gasoline and diesel engines (and why a vessel like Andrea Gail would never be powered with a gas engine) such a misprint could have slipped through. Still, you are the one insisting this error exists. Do you know where it is? |
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