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![]() wrote in message ... want to use it pretty much just for my refrigerator (about 800W), That is either a very large refrigerator, a very inefficent one, or the rating is way above what it actually draws. If this is a "frost free" refrigerator then you would be best to get rid of it and get one that uses lots less power. Frost Free refrigerators use more energy creating heat (directly, not counting the byproducts) then they do "cold". and my TV/VCR etc. It seems like it would be cheaper to get two less powerful inverters, than one powerful one. It is possible that dedicating a smaller inverter to the refrigerator might be more efficient. An inverter uses power even when there is nothing drawing AC power. This "idle" power can be significant, especially on the larger inverters. There are advantages to a good expensive inverter, however. seems like the best deal for me. That would leave me plenty of head room--especially on the TV circuit--for including other things. Does anyone know of a better deal? I would go with a minimum of 1500 watts, then you can run just about anything (coffee maker, blow drier, belnder, etc.). You can decide if it is wise to run such things, but at least you will have the option. How do I figure what size batteries to use? Should I keep the batteries separate for each inverter, or is it better to connect two or more batteries and go from there? If so, how to connect the batteries together, and then how to go from there to the inverters? One large battery bank is much better than two smaller ones. The first step will be to establish how much capacity that you need. The refrigerator is going to be the biggest consumer. 800 watts will force the inverter to draw about 76 amps out of the battery system, after adjusting for the inverter efficiency loss. I would guess that the refrigerator would run about 50% of the time, which means that you would need 919 amp-hours per day. That's a lot! If you want to last a three day weekend you would need 2700 amp-hours. To treat the batteries reasonably well you don't want to discharge them below 20%, so you really would need ~3300 amp-hours. That's a bunch of some very serious batteries. A lot of weight, a lot of room, a lot of cost. Since you started off saying that you were concerned about cost I would think that this would be a major issue. I'm lead to believe that any inverters I can afford would produce a square wave instead of a sine wave. There are sine wave inverters, square wave inverters, and modified sine wave. A square wave inverter goes from +60 volts to -60 volts in one step. A modified square wave would go from somthing larger than 60 volts, to zero, then to somethng larger (magnitude) than - 60 volts. The pause in the middle would approximate the zero crossing of the sine wave and would make inductive loads much happier. How to know what influence that would have on my TV's performance? If the TV was made in the last 20 years it probably would be very happy with the output of any inverter. Most electronics these days use switching power supplies that would actually have better efficiency off a square wave than they would off a sine wave. Where you can get into trouble is with inductive loads (some motors) and transformers. On a sine wave AC, the peak voltage is ~1.4 times the RMS voltage. Thus, if you had a device that uses a "wall wart" transformer it would be expecting a " 6 volt" output to actually peak at 8.4 volts. When rectified, this would produce a useable amount of 8 volts DC, which could be used recharge a 6 volt battery operated device. If you connected this up to a square wave inverter than the rectified output would only be 6 volts, which might not be enough for the circuit to operate. The modified sine wave would certainly be better and they probably make the "modification" such that the peak is the same. Square wave inverters are great for running series wound motors (drill motors, blenders, saws, etc.). They will run most electronic items that have swicthing power supplies or that aren't too sensitive on the voltage. They are a lot cheaper and more efficient than modified square wave or sine wave. There are other factors to consider for the total installation. If you go with something like a Xantrex marine inverter you will get the following features (which will not be available from the inverters you have indicated) 1) Automatic AC input cross over. When you have 110 Volts available you will not want to be running off the batteries. The Xantrex will sense the incoming AC and pass it through, switching the load over without ever powering it down. With the cheap inverter you will have to pull the plug out of the inverter and plug it into the normal AC outlet. (that can be a real hassle if the refrigerator/TV is recess mounted). 2) The Xantrex inverter includes a battery charger, suitably sized for the job. If you install that 3300 amp-hour battery bank you will need a way to charge it. If you don't have a really good charger it could take a week to get the batteries recharged! 3) I have some amount of faith in Xantrex products. They have been around for a while and I know many people who have used them. Some fly by night company off the internet is a gamble. My recommendations: 1) Get a refrigerator that uses a lot less power. The "old" style, where the cooling coils are the floor of the freezer, and you have to manually defrost them occasionally, are the best for this application. 2) Install a battery bank that will provide at least twice what you think you will need for the length of time you will be away from shore power. 3) install a single inverter that will cover all your needs. Rod McInnis |
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