Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

Harry,

Your logic is, as ever, faultless. It's clear to every moron that it's Bush
who is at fault for incorrect information being realeased. Furthermore, who
but the most moronic could have any doubt that his actions are the driving
force behind international terrorism in Spain, Africa, Asia and the Middle
East. Who else could we blame for this mess? Certainly Al Queda has had no
part in the slaughter?

Gee, I don't know, but it seems to me the internet is one of the primary
tools used by terror groups. Shouldn't the guy who invented the internet
share some of the blame? I refer, of course, to your very good pal Al
Gored. ;=)

Butch


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Correcting data, US says terrorism incidents increased in '03

By Barry Schweid, Associated Press | June 11, 2004

WASHINGTON -- The State Department acknowledged yesterday it was wrong
to report that terrorism declined worldwide last year, a finding that
was used to boost one of President Bush's top foreign policy claims,
success in countering terror.

Instead, both the number of incidents and the toll in victims increased
sharply, the department said. Statements by senior administration
officials asserting success were based "on the facts as we had them at
the time; the facts that we had were wrong," department spokesman
Richard Boucher said.

The report, issued in April, said attacks had declined last year to 190,
the lowest level in 34 years, and dropped 45 percent since 2001, Bush's
first year as president. The State Department is now working to
determine the correct figures.

Among the mistakes, Boucher said, was that only part of 2003 was taken
into account.

Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said yesterday the errors were partly
the result of new data-collection procedures. "I can assure you it had
nothing to do with putting out anything but the most honest, accurate
information we can," he said.

"Errors crept in that frankly we did not catch here," Powell said of the
report, which showed a falloff in the number of attacks worldwide in
2003 and the virtual disappearance of incidents in which no one died.

Representative Henry Waxman, Democrat of California, said this week the
administration had refused to address his contention that the findings
were manipulated for political purposes. Waxman had written Powell
asking for an explanation.

Boucher said a reply to Waxman was in preparation. "We wanted to make
sure that we give the congressman the best and most accurate picture of
what we know and what's going on as we can," he said.

He said the errors began to become apparent in early May. "We got phone
calls from people who were going through our report and who said to
themselves, as we should have said to ourselves: 'This doesn't feel
right,' " he said.

When the annual report was issued April 29, senior administration
officials used it as evidence the war was being won under Bush.



-----------------------------------------------------------

Bush: the new definition of inept and incompetent

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

Butch Davis wrote:
Harry,

Your logic is, as ever, faultless. It's clear to every moron that it's Bush
who is at fault for incorrect information being realeased.


The Bush misAdministration has been feeding us misinformation from the
idiot's first day in office, especially on its fraudulent War on Terrorism.


Furthermore, who
but the most moronic could have any doubt that his actions are the driving
force behind international terrorism in Spain, Africa, Asia and the Middle
East. Who else could we blame for this mess? Certainly Al Queda has had no
part in the slaughter?

Ahhhh. You think there is no connection between Bush's attacks on
Afghanistan and invasion of Iraq and the escalation of terrorist
activities?




Gee, I don't know, but it seems to me the internet is one of the primary
tools used by terror groups. Shouldn't the guy who invented the internet
share some of the blame? I refer, of course, to your very good pal Al
Gored. ;=)

Butch


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Correcting data, US says terrorism incidents increased in '03

By Barry Schweid, Associated Press | June 11, 2004

WASHINGTON -- The State Department acknowledged yesterday it was wrong
to report that terrorism declined worldwide last year, a finding that
was used to boost one of President Bush's top foreign policy claims,
success in countering terror.

Instead, both the number of incidents and the toll in victims increased
sharply, the department said. Statements by senior administration
officials asserting success were based "on the facts as we had them at
the time; the facts that we had were wrong," department spokesman
Richard Boucher said.

The report, issued in April, said attacks had declined last year to 190,
the lowest level in 34 years, and dropped 45 percent since 2001, Bush's
first year as president. The State Department is now working to
determine the correct figures.

Among the mistakes, Boucher said, was that only part of 2003 was taken
into account.

Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said yesterday the errors were partly
the result of new data-collection procedures. "I can assure you it had
nothing to do with putting out anything but the most honest, accurate
information we can," he said.

"Errors crept in that frankly we did not catch here," Powell said of the
report, which showed a falloff in the number of attacks worldwide in
2003 and the virtual disappearance of incidents in which no one died.

Representative Henry Waxman, Democrat of California, said this week the
administration had refused to address his contention that the findings
were manipulated for political purposes. Waxman had written Powell
asking for an explanation.

Boucher said a reply to Waxman was in preparation. "We wanted to make
sure that we give the congressman the best and most accurate picture of
what we know and what's going on as we can," he said.

He said the errors began to become apparent in early May. "We got phone
calls from people who were going through our report and who said to
themselves, as we should have said to ourselves: 'This doesn't feel
right,' " he said.

When the annual report was issued April 29, senior administration
officials used it as evidence the war was being won under Bush.



-----------------------------------------------------------

Bush: the new definition of inept and incompetent

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Butch Davis wrote:
Harry,

Your logic is, as ever, faultless. It's clear to every moron that it's
Bush
who is at fault for incorrect information being realeased.


The Bush misAdministration has been feeding us misinformation from the
idiot's first day in office, especially on its fraudulent War on
Terrorism.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...reaking_1.html

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Butch Davis wrote:
Harry,

Your logic is, as ever, faultless. It's clear to every moron that
it's
Bush
who is at fault for incorrect information being realeased.


The Bush misAdministration has been feeding us misinformation from the
idiot's first day in office, especially on its fraudulent War on
Terrorism.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...reaking_1.html



Repeat after me:

1) I'm Bert, and I don't understand why my president intentionally gave
Saddam so much time to ship his weapons elsewhere.

2) I'm Bert, and I have no idea why I posted this in response to an article
about the measurement of terrorist activities.

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:36:24 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Butch Davis wrote:
Harry,

Your logic is, as ever, faultless. It's clear to every moron that
it's
Bush
who is at fault for incorrect information being realeased.


The Bush misAdministration has been feeding us misinformation from the
idiot's first day in office, especially on its fraudulent War on
Terrorism.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...reaking_1.html



Repeat after me:

1) I'm Bert, and I don't understand why my president intentionally gave
Saddam so much time to ship his weapons elsewhere.

2) I'm Bert, and I have no idea why I posted this in response to an article
about the measurement of terrorist activities.


Your President wasted too much time seeking the approval of the UN and Congress
before he took action. That was a boo-boo.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:36:24 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Butch Davis wrote:
Harry,

Your logic is, as ever, faultless. It's clear to every moron that
it's
Bush
who is at fault for incorrect information being realeased.


The Bush misAdministration has been feeding us misinformation from
the
idiot's first day in office, especially on its fraudulent War on
Terrorism.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...reaking_1.html



Repeat after me:

1) I'm Bert, and I don't understand why my president intentionally gave
Saddam so much time to ship his weapons elsewhere.

2) I'm Bert, and I have no idea why I posted this in response to an
article
about the measurement of terrorist activities.


Your President wasted too much time seeking the approval of the UN and
Congress
before he took action. That was a boo-boo.

John H

U.N.: Dead issue at this point.

Congress: That's the law. We know he'd like to function outside of it, but
as things stand, he has to follow protocol.

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:10:27 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:36:24 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Butch Davis wrote:
Harry,

Your logic is, as ever, faultless. It's clear to every moron that
it's
Bush
who is at fault for incorrect information being realeased.


The Bush misAdministration has been feeding us misinformation from
the
idiot's first day in office, especially on its fraudulent War on
Terrorism.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...reaking_1.html



Repeat after me:

1) I'm Bert, and I don't understand why my president intentionally gave
Saddam so much time to ship his weapons elsewhere.

2) I'm Bert, and I have no idea why I posted this in response to an
article
about the measurement of terrorist activities.


Your President wasted too much time seeking the approval of the UN and
Congress
before he took action. That was a boo-boo.

John H

U.N.: Dead issue at this point.

Congress: That's the law. We know he'd like to function outside of it, but
as things stand, he has to follow protocol.

Nevertheless, your dead issue provided all the time Saddam needed to do whatever
he wanted with his weapons.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

John H wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:10:27 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
. ..

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:36:24 GMT, "Doug Kanter"



wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Butch Davis wrote:

Harry,

Your logic is, as ever, faultless. It's clear to every moron that

it's

Bush

who is at fault for incorrect information being realeased.


The Bush misAdministration has been feeding us misinformation from

the

idiot's first day in office, especially on its fraudulent War on

Terrorism.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...reaking_1.html



Repeat after me:

1) I'm Bert, and I don't understand why my president intentionally gave
Saddam so much time to ship his weapons elsewhere.

2) I'm Bert, and I have no idea why I posted this in response to an

article

about the measurement of terrorist activities.


Your President wasted too much time seeking the approval of the UN and

Congress

before he took action. That was a boo-boo.

John H

U.N.: Dead issue at this point.

Congress: That's the law. We know he'd like to function outside of it, but
as things stand, he has to follow protocol.


Nevertheless, your dead issue provided all the time Saddam needed to do whatever
he wanted with his weapons.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!



Republican Mantra: Don't like the rule of law? Well, just ignore the law.

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

Congress: That's the law. We know he'd like to function outside of it, but
as things stand, he has to follow protocol.



John H wrote:
Nevertheless, your dead issue provided all the time Saddam needed to do whatever
he wanted with his weapons.

This is just great... now it's the darn libby-rulls fault that we can't
those WMDs... we gave Saddam too much time to hide 'em!

Never never never could be even remotely considered that they didn't exist.

With logic like that, no wonder the U.S. is in such a mess.

DSK

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Congress: That's the law. We know he'd like to function outside of it,
but
as things stand, he has to follow protocol.



John H wrote:
Nevertheless, your dead issue provided all the time Saddam needed to do
whatever
he wanted with his weapons.

This is just great... now it's the darn libby-rulls fault that we can't
those WMDs... we gave Saddam too much time to hide 'em!

Never never never could be even remotely considered that they didn't
exist.

With logic like that, no wonder the U.S. is in such a mess.

DSK


The US isn't messed up, it is idiots like you that can't read and comprehend
that are messed up.

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:10:27 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:36:24 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Butch Davis wrote:
Harry,

Your logic is, as ever, faultless. It's clear to every moron
that
it's
Bush
who is at fault for incorrect information being realeased.


The Bush misAdministration has been feeding us misinformation from
the
idiot's first day in office, especially on its fraudulent War on
Terrorism.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...reaking_1.html



Repeat after me:

1) I'm Bert, and I don't understand why my president intentionally
gave
Saddam so much time to ship his weapons elsewhere.

2) I'm Bert, and I have no idea why I posted this in response to an
article
about the measurement of terrorist activities.


Your President wasted too much time seeking the approval of the UN and
Congress
before he took action. That was a boo-boo.

John H

U.N.: Dead issue at this point.

Congress: That's the law. We know he'd like to function outside of it,
but
as things stand, he has to follow protocol.

Nevertheless, your dead issue provided all the time Saddam needed to do
whatever
he wanted with his weapons.

John H

Bush knew he was not going to wait for U.N. blessings. Rather than go
through the motions, he should've jumped, rather than spend 8 months talking
like a cowboy. But, none of this really matters. It was actually better for
Bush's handlers if things got worse. Surely you understand why.

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

Bush knew he was not going to wait for U.N. blessings. Rather than go
through the motions, he should've jumped, rather than spend 8 months
talking
like a cowboy. But, none of this really matters. It was actually better
for
Bush's handlers if things got worse. Surely you understand why.


Un****ingbelievable.

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:38:10 -0400, DSK wrote:


This is just great... now it's the darn libby-rulls fault that we can't
those WMDs... we gave Saddam too much time to hide 'em!

Never never never could be even remotely considered that they didn't
exist.

The sites referred to were looted. Hopefully by Iraqis trying to make a
buck, and not by terrorists. Begs the question why the coalition forces
didn't guard them or dismantle them. Perhaps, they weren't the threat
once thought.

http://www.iraq.net/displayarticle4166.html

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Butch Davis wrote:
Harry,

Your logic is, as ever, faultless. It's clear to every moron that it's
Bush
who is at fault for incorrect information being realeased.


The Bush misAdministration has been feeding us misinformation from the
idiot's first day in office, especially on its fraudulent War on
Terrorism.


Furthermore, who
but the most moronic could have any doubt that his actions are the
driving
force behind international terrorism in Spain, Africa, Asia and the
Middle
East. Who else could we blame for this mess? Certainly Al Queda has
had no
part in the slaughter?

Ahhhh. You think there is no connection between Bush's attacks on
Afghanistan and invasion of Iraq and the escalation of terrorist
activities?



Funny that you mention Afghanistan in the same breath as Iraq. So you think
we shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan because it has caused an "escalation
of terrorist activities"?

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

"Joe" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

Bush knew he was not going to wait for U.N. blessings. Rather than go
through the motions, he should've jumped, rather than spend 8 months
talking
like a cowboy. But, none of this really matters. It was actually better
for
Bush's handlers if things got worse. Surely you understand why.


Un****ingbelievable.


Doug is quite the conpiracist, Joe. I guess he was getting jealous of
basskisser holding the "stupidest-poster-on-rec.boats" title all to himself.

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Butch Davis wrote:

Harry,

Your logic is, as ever, faultless. It's clear to every moron that it's

Bush

who is at fault for incorrect information being realeased.


The Bush misAdministration has been feeding us misinformation from the
idiot's first day in office, especially on its fraudulent War on

Terrorism.


Furthermore, who

but the most moronic could have any doubt that his actions are the

driving

force behind international terrorism in Spain, Africa, Asia and the

Middle

East. Who else could we blame for this mess? Certainly Al Queda has

had no

part in the slaughter?

Ahhhh. You think there is no connection between Bush's attacks on
Afghanistan and invasion of Iraq and the escalation of terrorist
activities?




Funny that you mention Afghanistan in the same breath as Iraq. So you think
we shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan because it has caused an "escalation
of terrorist activities"?




For the first few days after 9-11, my government had me convinced the
country of Afghanistan was the perpetrator of that particular horror.
But then we started receiving some facts and it became apparent that
Afghanistan was not to blame.

I'm not sure why we went into Afghanistan, other than to give the Bush
misAdministration a chance to show Americans it was doing "something
about terrorism." Oh...and we picked up a few of Osama's boys and
toppled an incompetent, repressive government that didn't like us so we
could replace it with an incompetent, repressive government that doesn't
like us a little less.

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

Bush knew he was not going to wait for U.N. blessings. Rather than go
through the motions, he should've jumped, rather than spend 8 months
talking
like a cowboy. But, none of this really matters. It was actually
better
for
Bush's handlers if things got worse. Surely you understand why.


Un****ingbelievable.


Doug is quite the conpiracist, Joe. I guess he was getting jealous of
basskisser holding the "stupidest-poster-on-rec.boats" title all to
himself.



I'm not suggesting a conspiracy, child.

Back to the facts I stated above: We all (including you) know that the
situation in Iraq BEFORE the war wasn't nearly as hideous as your leader
suggested. Virtually all his reasons have melted away. Of course, he knew
this beforehand, so it made sense to rattle his sabre for as long as
possible in order to give various factions time to get warmed up.

This is what happens when a president formulates foreign policy (and perhaps
his entire world view) around the movie "Hang 'em High".

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

So you think
we shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan because it has caused an
"escalation
of terrorist activities"?

At your trade school, did you learn anything about COMPLEX SYSTEMS? If so,
how do you suppose it might apply to your question, above?

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

Doug Kanter wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
. ..

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...


Bush knew he was not going to wait for U.N. blessings. Rather than go
through the motions, he should've jumped, rather than spend 8 months

talking

like a cowboy. But, none of this really matters. It was actually

better

for

Bush's handlers if things got worse. Surely you understand why.


Un****ingbelievable.


Doug is quite the conpiracist, Joe. I guess he was getting jealous of
basskisser holding the "stupidest-poster-on-rec.boats" title all to

himself.



I'm not suggesting a conspiracy, child.

Back to the facts I stated above: We all (including you) know that the
situation in Iraq BEFORE the war wasn't nearly as hideous as your leader
suggested. Virtually all his reasons have melted away. Of course, he knew
this beforehand, so it made sense to rattle his sabre for as long as
possible in order to give various factions time to get warmed up.

This is what happens when a president formulates foreign policy (and perhaps
his entire world view) around the movie "Hang 'em High".




That simple-minded view of the world is shared by most of the righties
here, in case you haven't noticed. The sort of terrorism we're facing
today is the result of a myriad of complexities. This is not the war of
our fathers and grandfathers, where we were facing the evil Germans and
Japanese, and we knew where they were and most everyone wore some sort
of uniform. Today's terrorism is the result of right-wing religious
hatred and simple-mindedness, poverty, jealousy, ignorance, desperation,
starvation, decades of indignities (real and perceived) and much
more. Unfortunately, the simple-minded twits running the US government
these days only recognize black or white and, in reality, they don't
perceive those "colors" too well, either.

Hopefully, this fall we'll have a regime change in Washington, D.C.

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:56:32 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
.. .

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...


Bush knew he was not going to wait for U.N. blessings. Rather than go
through the motions, he should've jumped, rather than spend 8 months

talking

like a cowboy. But, none of this really matters. It was actually

better

for

Bush's handlers if things got worse. Surely you understand why.


Un****ingbelievable.


Doug is quite the conpiracist, Joe. I guess he was getting jealous of
basskisser holding the "stupidest-poster-on-rec.boats" title all to

himself.



I'm not suggesting a conspiracy, child.

Back to the facts I stated above: We all (including you) know that the
situation in Iraq BEFORE the war wasn't nearly as hideous as your leader
suggested. Virtually all his reasons have melted away. Of course, he knew
this beforehand, so it made sense to rattle his sabre for as long as
possible in order to give various factions time to get warmed up.

This is what happens when a president formulates foreign policy (and perhaps
his entire world view) around the movie "Hang 'em High".




That simple-minded view of the world is shared by most of the righties
here, in case you haven't noticed. The sort of terrorism we're facing
today is the result of a myriad of complexities. This is not the war of
our fathers and grandfathers, where we were facing the evil Germans and
Japanese, and we knew where they were and most everyone wore some sort
of uniform. Today's terrorism is the result of right-wing religious
hatred and simple-mindedness, poverty, jealousy, ignorance, desperation,
starvation, decades of indignities (real and perceived) and much
more. Unfortunately, the simple-minded twits running the US government
these days only recognize black or white and, in reality, they don't
perceive those "colors" too well, either.

Hopefully, this fall we'll have a regime change in Washington, D.C.

Bull hockey! These terrorists are not starving, poverty ridden, ignorant,
desperate, etc. etc. That is garbage. Quit trying to make terrorism sound as
though it's our fault. What tripe.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:56:32 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
.. .

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...


Bush knew he was not going to wait for U.N. blessings. Rather than
go
through the motions, he should've jumped, rather than spend 8
months

talking

like a cowboy. But, none of this really matters. It was actually

better

for

Bush's handlers if things got worse. Surely you understand why.


Un****ingbelievable.


Doug is quite the conpiracist, Joe. I guess he was getting jealous
of
basskisser holding the "stupidest-poster-on-rec.boats" title all to

himself.



I'm not suggesting a conspiracy, child.

Back to the facts I stated above: We all (including you) know that
the
situation in Iraq BEFORE the war wasn't nearly as hideous as your
leader
suggested. Virtually all his reasons have melted away. Of course, he
knew
this beforehand, so it made sense to rattle his sabre for as long as
possible in order to give various factions time to get warmed up.

This is what happens when a president formulates foreign policy (and
perhaps
his entire world view) around the movie "Hang 'em High".




That simple-minded view of the world is shared by most of the righties
here, in case you haven't noticed. The sort of terrorism we're facing
today is the result of a myriad of complexities. This is not the war of
our fathers and grandfathers, where we were facing the evil Germans and
Japanese, and we knew where they were and most everyone wore some sort
of uniform. Today's terrorism is the result of right-wing religious
hatred and simple-mindedness, poverty, jealousy, ignorance,
desperation,
starvation, decades of indignities (real and perceived) and much
more. Unfortunately, the simple-minded twits running the US government
these days only recognize black or white and, in reality, they don't
perceive those "colors" too well, either.

Hopefully, this fall we'll have a regime change in Washington, D.C.

Bull hockey! These terrorists are not starving, poverty ridden,
ignorant,
desperate, etc. etc. That is garbage. Quit trying to make terrorism
sound as
though it's our fault. What tripe.

It was the appeasement strategy of the left that has given the terrorists
so much strength, just like it did with Germany, the Soviet Union, North
Vietnam, North Korea, etc etc etc


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Terrorism UP under Bush Regime
 

John H wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:56:32 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


Doug Kanter wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
...


"Joe" wrote in message
. ..


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...



Bush knew he was not going to wait for U.N. blessings. Rather than go
through the motions, he should've jumped, rather than spend 8 months

talking


like a cowboy. But, none of this really matters. It was actually

better


for


Bush's handlers if things got worse. Surely you understand why.


Un****ingbelievable.


Doug is quite the conpiracist, Joe. I guess he was getting jealous of
basskisser holding the "stupidest-poster-on-rec.boats" title all to

himself.


I'm not suggesting a conspiracy, child.

Back to the facts I stated above: We all (including you) know that the
situation in Iraq BEFORE the war wasn't nearly as hideous as your leader
suggested. Virtually all his reasons have melted away. Of course, he knew
this beforehand, so it made sense to rattle his sabre for as long as
possible in order to give various factions time to get warmed up.

This is what happens when a president formulates foreign policy (and perhaps
his entire world view) around the movie "Hang 'em High".




That simple-minded view of the world is shared by most of the righties
here, in case you haven't noticed. The sort of terrorism we're facing
today is the result of a myriad of complexities. This is not the war of
our fathers and grandfathers, where we were facing the evil Germans and
Japanese, and we knew where they were and most everyone wore some sort
of uniform. Today's terrorism is the result of right-wing religious
hatred and simple-mindedness, poverty, jealousy, ignorance, desperation,
starvation, decades of indignities (real and perceived) and much
more. Unfortunately, the simple-minded twits running the US government
these days only recognize black or white and, in reality, they don't
perceive those "colors" too well, either.

Hopefully, this fall we'll have a regime change in Washington, D.C.


Bull hockey! These terrorists are not starving, poverty ridden, ignorant,
desperate, etc. etc. That is garbage. Quit trying to make terrorism sound as
though it's our fault. What tripe.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


Some of "these" terrorists certainly are the dispossessed, and many of
those who harbor them certainly are. The more advantaged terrorists use
the less advantaged ones to further the perceived goals of all of them.
And yes, we do share some of the blame for the current round of
anti-American terrorism, and, since the foolhardy implementation of "the
Bush doctrine" of misdirected retaliation, we are indeed to blame for
all the increase in anti-Americanism for the last year.

Your guy in the White House, the Dubya, ****ed things up royally for us
all over the world because of his stupidity, intellectual laziness,
dependence on agendized neocons and pigheadedness.

Bush is a miserable failure. It's time for him to go.

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"Harry Krause" wrote:

Bush is a miserable failure. It's time for him to go.

You're a miserable failure, Krause. Despite your constant googling and OT
hysterics, you've failed to change one single mind. It's time for you to
go.

Jack

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:39:09 -0400, P. Fritz wrote:


It was the appeasement strategy of the left that has given the
terrorists
so much strength, just like it did with Germany, the Soviet Union, North
Vietnam, North Korea, etc etc etc

Cite please? The most famous example of an appeasement strategy was by
Neville Chamberlain, a Conservative. I can't recall any appeasement
strategy with North Vietnam, or North Korea. The Soviet Union? It had an
eighty year history. Perhaps you could be more specific.

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:30:44 -0400, thunder wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:39:09 -0400, P. Fritz wrote:


It was the appeasement strategy of the left that has given the
terrorists
so much strength, just like it did with Germany, the Soviet Union, North
Vietnam, North Korea, etc etc etc

Cite please? The most famous example of an appeasement strategy was by
Neville Chamberlain, a Conservative. I can't recall any appeasement
strategy with North Vietnam, or North Korea. The Soviet Union? It had an
eighty year history. Perhaps you could be more specific.

Go back up this thread about four or five levels and read Harry's post. There's
a perfect example of an appeasement strategy!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:20:15 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:56:32 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:




That simple-minded view of the world is shared by most of the righties
here, in case you haven't noticed. The sort of terrorism we're facing
today is the result of a myriad of complexities. This is not the war of
our fathers and grandfathers, where we were facing the evil Germans and
Japanese, and we knew where they were and most everyone wore some sort
of uniform. Today's terrorism is the result of right-wing religious
hatred and simple-mindedness, poverty, jealousy, ignorance, desperation,
starvation, decades of indignities (real and perceived) and much
more. Unfortunately, the simple-minded twits running the US government
these days only recognize black or white and, in reality, they don't
perceive those "colors" too well, either.

Hopefully, this fall we'll have a regime change in Washington, D.C.


Bull hockey! These terrorists are not starving, poverty ridden, ignorant,
desperate, etc. etc. That is garbage. Quit trying to make terrorism sound as
though it's our fault. What tripe.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


Some of "these" terrorists certainly are the dispossessed, and many of
those who harbor them certainly are. The more advantaged terrorists use
the less advantaged ones to further the perceived goals of all of them.
And yes, we do share some of the blame for the current round of
anti-American terrorism, and, since the foolhardy implementation of "the
Bush doctrine" of misdirected retaliation, we are indeed to blame for
all the increase in anti-Americanism for the last year.

Your guy in the White House, the Dubya, ****ed things up royally for us
all over the world because of his stupidity, intellectual laziness,
dependence on agendized neocons and pigheadedness.

Bush is a miserable failure. It's time for him to go.

Well, what is the goal of "The more advantaged terrorists..?." Are they trying
to better the lot of the poor and unfed of the world? Is blowing away Americans
the way to do that? Terrorism started well before Bush took office, Harry. There
were even a few incidents under Clinton. So it can't all be the fault of Bush.

You are spewing tripe and you know it. Call Bush anything you want, but don't
blame terrorism on poverty. That is bull****!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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John H wrote:



You are spewing tripe and you know it. Call Bush anything you want, but don't
blame terrorism on poverty. That is bull****!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Poverty is indeed one of the well-documented reasons for terrorism and
even war. Perhaps some non-military oriented history classes at NOVA
would benefit you.

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:45:03 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:



You are spewing tripe and you know it. Call Bush anything you want, but don't
blame terrorism on poverty. That is bull****!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Poverty is indeed one of the well-documented reasons for terrorism and
even war. Perhaps some non-military oriented history classes at NOVA
would benefit you.

Show me. I believe that terrorists may *say* that their motive is to relieve
poverty, but that's more pferdeapfel. What country's poor are the terrorists
trying to help? The idea that terrorists are trying to help the poor and
destitute is more politically correct (if you're a leftist) psychobabble. Who
are the terrorist leaders? They're educated, wealthy, vain individuals with a
high capacity for hate.

Stick to the discussion, Harry. Personal attacks, I know, are your forte, but
try to stay on track and quell your inner desires.



John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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John H wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:45:03 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


John H wrote:



You are spewing tripe and you know it. Call Bush anything you want, but don't
blame terrorism on poverty. That is bull****!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Poverty is indeed one of the well-documented reasons for terrorism and
even war. Perhaps some non-military oriented history classes at NOVA
would benefit you.


Show me. I believe that terrorists may *say* that their motive is to relieve
poverty, but that's more pferdeapfel. What country's poor are the terrorists
trying to help?

I didn't state the terrorists were trying to help the poor. Try reading
for content.

Here's what I posted: "The more advantaged terrorists use the less
advantaged ones to further the perceived goals of all of them."



Stick to the discussion, Harry. Personal attacks, I know, are your forte, but
try to stay on track and quell your inner desires.


When you enroll in a history class at NOVA, enroll in a reading class, too.

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Joe wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...


They're educated, wealthy, vain individuals with a high capacity for hate.


Sounds like the current leaders of the democratic party.




Still poor, dumb Joe, eh, Joe?

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"John H" wrote in message
...

They're educated, wealthy, vain individuals with a high capacity for hate.

Sounds like the current leaders of the democratic party.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Butch Davis wrote:

Harry,

Your logic is, as ever, faultless. It's clear to every moron that it's

Bush

who is at fault for incorrect information being realeased.


The Bush misAdministration has been feeding us misinformation from the
idiot's first day in office, especially on its fraudulent War on

Terrorism.


Furthermore, who

but the most moronic could have any doubt that his actions are the

driving

force behind international terrorism in Spain, Africa, Asia and the

Middle

East. Who else could we blame for this mess? Certainly Al Queda has

had no

part in the slaughter?

Ahhhh. You think there is no connection between Bush's attacks on
Afghanistan and invasion of Iraq and the escalation of terrorist
activities?




Funny that you mention Afghanistan in the same breath as Iraq. So you
think
we shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan because it has caused an
"escalation
of terrorist activities"?




For the first few days after 9-11, my government had me convinced the
country of Afghanistan was the perpetrator of that particular horror.

You mean you got bad intel?


But then we started receiving some facts and it became apparent that
Afghanistan was not to blame.

No? bin Laden claimed responsibility for the attack. He was living in
Afghanistan under the protection of Mullah Omar's Taliban. In November
2001, Omar had this to say:

The BBC's Pashto service has interviewed Taleban leader Mullah Mohammad
Omar.
The BBC asked the questions through a Taleban intermediary over satellite
phone. He passed them on to the Taleban leader through a hand-held radio and
then attached the phone's receiver to the radio for Mullah Omar's answers.

The following is the transcript of the interview

What do you think of the current situation in Afghanistan?

You (the BBC) and American puppet radios have created concern. But the
current situation in Afghanistan is related to a bigger cause - that is the
destruction of America.

And on the other hand, the screening of Taleban [for those who are or are
not loyal] is also in process. We will see these things happen within a
short while.

What do you mean by the destruction of America? Do you have a concrete plan
to implement this?

The plan is going ahead and, God willing, it is being implemented.

But it is a huge task, which is beyond the will and comprehension of human
beings.

If God's help is with us, this will happen within a short period of time;
keep in mind this prediction.

Osama Bin Laden has reportedly threatened that he would use nuclear,
chemical or biological weapons against America. Is your threat related to
his?


This is not a matter of weapons. We are hopeful for God's help. The real
matter is the extinction of America. And, God willing, it [America] will
fall to the ground.



I'm not sure why we went into Afghanistan

Why? Because Omar was the leader of the country, and he was openly
admitting to working with bin Laden in bin Laden's attempt to bring about
the "extinction of America".

Have you gone off your rocker, Harry?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Butch Davis wrote:

Harry,

Your logic is, as ever, faultless. It's clear to every moron that it's

Bush

who is at fault for incorrect information being realeased.


The Bush misAdministration has been feeding us misinformation from the
idiot's first day in office, especially on its fraudulent War on

Terrorism.


Furthermore, who

but the most moronic could have any doubt that his actions are the

driving

force behind international terrorism in Spain, Africa, Asia and the

Middle

East. Who else could we blame for this mess? Certainly Al Queda has

had no

part in the slaughter?

Ahhhh. You think there is no connection between Bush's attacks on
Afghanistan and invasion of Iraq and the escalation of terrorist
activities?




Funny that you mention Afghanistan in the same breath as Iraq. So you
think
we shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan because it has caused an
"escalation
of terrorist activities"?




For the first few days after 9-11, my government had me convinced the
country of Afghanistan was the perpetrator of that particular horror.
But then we started receiving some facts and it became apparent that
Afghanistan was not to blame.

I'm not sure why we went into Afghanistan, other than to give the Bush
misAdministration a chance to show Americans it was doing "something
about terrorism." Oh...and we picked up a few of Osama's boys and
toppled an incompetent, repressive government that didn't like us so we
could replace it with an incompetent, repressive government that doesn't
like us a little less.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1657368.stm

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...

So you think
we shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan because it has caused an
"escalation
of terrorist activities"?

At your trade school, did you learn anything about COMPLEX SYSTEMS?

In engineering, we dealt in quantitative (not qualitative) analysis. In
dentistry, we practice medicine based upon science (ie--cause and effect,
and determinism) rather than chaos theory.

If so,
how do you suppose it might apply to your question, above?

Afghanistan was ground zero for the planning and training for 9/11. Whether
or not attacking them caused an escalation in terror attacks is irrelevant.
The fact of the matter is that we needed to disrupt the training camps
there.

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NOYB wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
...


So you think
we shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan because it has caused an

"escalation

of terrorist activities"?

At your trade school, did you learn anything about COMPLEX SYSTEMS?


In engineering, we dealt in quantitative (not qualitative) analysis. In
dentistry, we practice medicine based upon science (ie--cause and effect,
and determinism) rather than chaos theory.

If so,

how do you suppose it might apply to your question, above?


Afghanistan was ground zero for the planning and training for 9/11. Whether
or not attacking them caused an escalation in terror attacks is irrelevant.
The fact of the matter is that we needed to disrupt the training camps
there.





From what I have read, the USA was ground zero for flight training and
planning.

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NOYB wrote:
In engineering, we dealt in quantitative (not qualitative) analysis.

That's funny. Actually, in *real* engineering, we can deal with both.

... In
dentistry, we practice medicine based upon science (ie--cause and effect,
and determinism) rather than chaos theory.

Actually, chaos theory *is* science. It is an analytical tool just like
statistics.


Afghanistan was ground zero for the planning and training for 9/11.

??? I thought the big terrorist training ground was in Iraq? So if it
was in Afghanistan, why did we invade Iraq (other than Rumsfeld's logic
"there are good targets there")

DSK

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NOYB wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
...


So you think
we shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan because it has caused an

"escalation

of terrorist activities"?

At your trade school, did you learn anything about COMPLEX SYSTEMS?


In engineering, we dealt in quantitative (not qualitative) analysis. In
dentistry, we practice medicine based upon science (ie--cause and effect,
and determinism) rather than chaos theory.
=


Chaos theory is real science.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
In engineering, we dealt in quantitative (not qualitative) analysis.

That's funny. Actually, in *real* engineering, we can deal with both.

I never *practiced* "real" engineering. In school, we dealt with knowns and
quantitative analysis.


... In
dentistry, we practice medicine based upon science (ie--cause and
effect,
and determinism) rather than chaos theory.

Actually, chaos theory *is* science. It is an analytical tool just like
statistics.


In medicine, we treat patients based upon determinism. You can't treat
diseases based upon chaos theory and randomness.



Afghanistan was ground zero for the planning and training for 9/11.

??? I thought the big terrorist training ground was in Iraq?

It was one of them. As was Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia,
Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. However, after 9/11, all but Afghanistan,
Iraq, Syria and Iran helped us in the war on terrorism. That's why Iran is
next...and Syria isn't far behind.


So if it
was in Afghanistan, why did we invade Iraq (other than Rumsfeld's logic
"there are good targets there")

Are you really naive enough to believe that all the terrorists, and all the
money funding those terrorists, and all the intel used to train those
terrorists came from one country?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
...


So you think
we shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan because it has caused an

"escalation

of terrorist activities"?

At your trade school, did you learn anything about COMPLEX SYSTEMS?


In engineering, we dealt in quantitative (not qualitative) analysis.
In
dentistry, we practice medicine based upon science (ie--cause and
effect,
and determinism) rather than chaos theory.
=


Chaos theory is real science.

It's not "real" medicine however...at least not real *Western* medicine.
Perhaps the holistic folks who treat psychosomatic diseases delve into the
realm of chaos theory and its application to medicine...but not
dentists...and not reputable physicians.

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"John H" wrote in message
...

Bull hockey! These terrorists are not starving, poverty ridden, ignorant,
desperate, etc. etc. That is garbage. Quit trying to make terrorism sound
as
though it's our fault. What tripe.

John H

John, sit down. What I'm about to say may shock you to the point where you
will need medical attention. Ready?

I agree with you. But (and there's always a but), I agree with a tiny part
of what you said: "...as though it's our fault...". I agree that it's not
our fault. But, in fact, the terrorists *are* disenfranchised, just like the
groups of wannabe gangstas you see on street corners in OUR inner cities.
However, the disenfranchised will always aim their wrath at the most obvious
symbol of affluence, which, in this case, is US.

If you'd occasionally listen to grown-up news sources, you'd know that real
people in the Middle East acknowledge that their leaders have failed
miserably when it comes to making a better world for future generations. As
you know, various social movements in America which began 100 years ago have
still not taken hold completely. Welcome to the real world. While we wait
for the Middle East to deal with its problems, we will be the target of
anger.