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Ronald Reagan
A fond farewell salute.
Having grown up in the 50's and having survived the 60's and 70's, Ronald Reagan made me proud again to be an American. Eisboch |
Ronald Reagan
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:51:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
A fond farewell salute. Having grown up in the 50's and having survived the 60's and 70's, Ronald Reagan made me proud again to be an American. Eisboch Amen. A great man died today. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
Ronald Reagan
God bless you President Reagan. Thank you for your service to our country.
"Eisboch" wrote in message . .. A fond farewell salute. Having grown up in the 50's and having survived the 60's and 70's, Ronald Reagan made me proud again to be an American. Eisboch |
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Ronald Reagan
Reagan was the most "presidential" personality to occupy the White House
in the last thirty years. It's possible to disagree with political philosophy (as I did and do) and still respect the person. (Or at least is was. These extremist days, you're either on board 100% or you're "evil"). Regan redeemed Republican presidential politics after the Nixon/Agnew/Ford scandals, "pardons", and general disgrace. He did as much as any individual person did to bring an end to the Cold War. I voted for Reagan, once. Although the endorsement had nothing to do with my vote, that could have been the same year that organized labor, (Teamsters, anyway), took the unusual step of endorsing a Republican for president. By the same token Reagan was probably one of the few Republican politicians who had served as the head of a major labor union himself. (S.A.G.) With the death of Reagan, it's difficult to identify a living, modern, icon of practical conservatism. So many on both sides today are "my way or the highway," we are in danger of losing the art of creative and effective compromise in government. It's too bad that President Reagan died. (Why is it easier to say "President Reagan" than "President Clinton" or "President Bush"?) Until some brighter light emerges from among the major players on the current political scene, (both incumbents and challengers), we may have to conclude, with regret, that they just don't make many people like that any more. The only up side is that his suffering is finally over. Ther may be more dignity in a peaceful death than he was enjoying in the last flickers of a difficult daily life. Nancy Reagan epitomized love as she cared for Ronnie over the last 10 years or so. In her own way, she has shown an unusual strength of character as well. I always think of the lines from Tennyson when somebody I liked or respected passes on. If you read this slowly, and contemplate the meaning of each line, it's extremely beautiful. Reagan was a horseman, not a boater as far as I know, but here is anyway: Sunset and evening star, And one clear call for me! And may there be no moaning of the bar, When I put out to sea, But such a tide as moving seems asleep, Too full for sound and foam, When that which drew from out the boundless deep Turns again home. Twilight and evening bell, And after that the dark! And may there be no sadness of farewell, When I embark; For tho' from out our bourne of Time and Place The flood may bear me far, I hope to see my Pilot face to face When I have crost the bar. |
Ronald Reagan
Hear, Hear.
"Eisboch" wrote in message . .. A fond farewell salute. Having grown up in the 50's and having survived the 60's and 70's, Ronald Reagan made me proud again to be an American. Eisboch |
Ronald Reagan
"jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... A fond farewell salute. Having grown up in the 50's and having survived the 60's and 70's, Ronald Reagan made me proud again to be an American. A lot more benign than the current idiot in chief but no less costly to the US. Iran-Contra Bank deregulation and bailout He was a nice pig and a good speaker. You truly have no class. |
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Ronald Reagan
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:05:22 -0700, jps wrote:
When Clinton dies, you'll all be talking about how he was a philandering liar. I'll be hoping that his soul rests in peace. ============================================= Clinton was what he was, all that and more. I actually liked the guy and respected his leadership ability but there's no escaping the other side, and his arrogance at thinking it didn't matter. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
... With the death of Reagan, it's difficult to identify a living, modern, icon of practical conservatism. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, though dead, still lives around here. We're trying to find another such spirit to represent NY in the future. |
Ronald Reagan
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:05:22 -0700, jps wrote: When Clinton dies, you'll all be talking about how he was a philandering liar. I'll be hoping that his soul rests in peace. ============================================= Clinton was what he was, all that and more. I actually liked the guy and respected his leadership ability but there's no escaping the other side, and his arrogance at thinking it didn't matter. At least you recognize his leadership abilities. The self-proclaimed saints around here refuse to see that. |
Ronald Reagan
"Gould 0738" wrote in message
... With the death of Reagan, it's difficult to identify a living, modern, icon of practical conservatism. And, of course, there's Mario Cuomo, if we could get him to run again, and get his son to crawl under a rock and stay there. |
Ronald Reagan
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Reagan was the most "presidential" personality to occupy the White House in the last thirty years. It's possible to disagree with political philosophy (as I did and do) and still respect the person. (Or at least is was. These extremist days, you're either on board 100% or you're "evil"). Regan redeemed Republican presidential politics after the Nixon/Agnew/Ford scandals, "pardons", and general disgrace. He did as much as any individual person did to bring an end to the Cold War. I voted for Reagan, once. Although the endorsement had nothing to do with my vote, that could have been the same year that organized labor, (Teamsters, anyway), took the unusual step of endorsing a Republican for president. By the same token Reagan was probably one of the few Republican politicians who had served as the head of a major labor union himself. (S.A.G.) With the death of Reagan, it's difficult to identify a living, modern, icon of practical conservatism. So many on both sides today are "my way or the highway," we are in danger of losing the art of creative and effective compromise in government. It's too bad that President Reagan died. (Why is it easier to say "President Reagan" than "President Clinton" or "President Bush"?) Until some brighter light emerges from among the major players on the current political scene, (both incumbents and challengers), we may have to conclude, with regret, that they just don't make many people like that any more. The only up side is that his suffering is finally over. Ther may be more dignity in a peaceful death than he was enjoying in the last flickers of a difficult daily life. Nancy Reagan epitomized love as she cared for Ronnie over the last 10 years or so. In her own way, she has shown an unusual strength of character as well. I always think of the lines from Tennyson when somebody I liked or respected passes on. If you read this slowly, and contemplate the meaning of each line, it's extremely beautiful. Reagan was a horseman, not a boater as far as I know, but here is anyway: Sunset and evening star, And one clear call for me! And may there be no moaning of the bar, When I put out to sea, But such a tide as moving seems asleep, Too full for sound and foam, When that which drew from out the boundless deep Turns again home. Twilight and evening bell, And after that the dark! And may there be no sadness of farewell, When I embark; For tho' from out our bourne of Time and Place The flood may bear me far, I hope to see my Pilot face to face When I have crost the bar. Well said. db |
Ronald Reagan
"NOYB" wrote in message ...
"jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... A fond farewell salute. Having grown up in the 50's and having survived the 60's and 70's, Ronald Reagan made me proud again to be an American. A lot more benign than the current idiot in chief but no less costly to the US. Iran-Contra Bank deregulation and bailout He was a nice pig and a good speaker. You truly have no class. So, do you think that, because he's dead, that all of the ills that he caused this country should be forgotten, or forgiven? |
Ronald Reagan
"NOYB" wrote in message ...
God bless you President Reagan. Thank you for your service to our country. Lemming. |
Ronald Reagan
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... A fond farewell salute. Having grown up in the 50's and having survived the 60's and 70's, Ronald Reagan made me proud again to be an American. A lot more benign than the current idiot in chief but no less costly to the US. Iran-Contra Bank deregulation and bailout He was a nice pig and a good speaker. You truly have no class. So, do you think that, because he's dead, that all of the ills that he caused this country should be forgotten, or forgiven? As Gould pointed out, social decorum usually dictates that people avoid attacking the recently deceased at least until the body is cold. But I don't expect you to understand either...since you, too, have no class. |
Ronald Reagan
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ... God bless you President Reagan. Thank you for your service to our country. Lemming. No class. |
Ronald Reagan
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ... God bless you President Reagan. Thank you for your service to our country. Lemming. Poor Kevin Noble, his brain riddled with FAS. |
Ronald Reagan
"Joe" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ... God bless you President Reagan. Thank you for your service to our country. Lemming. Poor Kevin Noble, his brain riddled with FAS. Please tell the group what you know Joe, I LOVE making you look like the idiot that you are!!!!!! |
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"basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ... God bless you President Reagan. Thank you for your service to our country. Lemming. No class. So, you think that if someone has class, they should automatically and instantly bow down and kiss the ring of someone just because they died? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message .net...
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... A fond farewell salute. Having grown up in the 50's and having survived the 60's and 70's, Ronald Reagan made me proud again to be an American. A lot more benign than the current idiot in chief but no less costly to the US. Iran-Contra Bank deregulation and bailout He was a nice pig and a good speaker. You truly have no class. So, do you think that, because he's dead, that all of the ills that he caused this country should be forgotten, or forgiven? As Gould pointed out, social decorum usually dictates that people avoid attacking the recently deceased at least until the body is cold. But I don't expect you to understand either...since you, too, have no class. This from a person that has NO compassion for human life, has stated more than once that we should nuke several countries, the result being the lives of millions of people..... |
Ronald Reagan
"basskisser" wrote in message This from a person that has NO compassion for human life, has stated more than once that we should nuke several countries, the result being the lives of millions of people..... Are you referring to the person who stated we should carpet bomb Iraq and turn their infrastructure to dust? |
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"Joe" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ... God bless you President Reagan. Thank you for your service to our country. Lemming. Poor Kevin Noble, his brain riddled with FAS. Hey, JoeTechnician, I'll be in Florida in two weeks. Care to get together for a beer? I'll be in Masaryktown, near Brookesville. To everybody: watch and notice how he hides behind the newsgroup, in his own scared little world of privacy.net.....poor little thing. |
Ronald Reagan
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "Joe" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ... God bless you President Reagan. Thank you for your service to our country. Lemming. Poor Kevin Noble, his brain riddled with FAS. Hey, JoeTechnician, I'll be in Florida in two weeks. Care to get together for a beer? I'll be in Masaryktown, near Brookesville. To everybody: watch and notice how he hides behind the newsgroup, in his own scared little world of privacy.net.....poor little thing. Symptoms of FAS (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome) Complex pattern of behavioral and learning problems- Check Difficulties with memory, attention and judgment.- Check Mental retardation.- Check Facial abnormalities- TBD Aggression.- Check |
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Joe wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "Joe" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message e.com... "NOYB" wrote in message ... God bless you President Reagan. Thank you for your service to our country. Lemming. Poor Kevin Noble, his brain riddled with FAS. Hey, JoeTechnician, I'll be in Florida in two weeks. Care to get together for a beer? I'll be in Masaryktown, near Brookesville. To everybody: watch and notice how he hides behind the newsgroup, in his own scared little world of privacy.net.....poor little thing. Symptoms of FAS (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome) Complex pattern of behavioral and learning problems- Check Difficulties with memory, attention and judgment.- Check Mental retardation.- Check Facial abnormalities- TBD Aggression.- Check Well, that covers Dubya... |
Ronald Reagan
Gould 0738 wrote:
Reagan was the most "presidential" personality to occupy the White House in the last thirty years. It's possible to disagree with political philosophy (as I did and do) and still respect the person. (Or at least is was. These extremist days, you're either on board 100% or you're "evil"). You're right about that. It cuts both ways, of course. BOTH major parties seem to have been hijacked by people who have a need to demonize their opponents. In my opinion, it's somewhat worse among Republicans than among Democrats, but I remember vividly the vitriol and venom directed at Reagan. Regan redeemed Republican presidential politics after the Nixon/Agnew/Ford scandals, "pardons", and general disgrace. Despite the supposedly high approval ratings he enjoyed at the end of his second term, his political career, like that of virtually all political giants, ended in failu Iran-Contra. He almost certainly knew what was going on, and probably could have been impeached. It was the very worst sort of scandal, involving a truly frightening subversion of the constitution. He did as much as any individual person did to bring an end to the Cold War. I voted for Reagan, once. Although the endorsement had nothing to do with my vote, that could have been the same year that organized labor, (Teamsters, anyway), took the unusual step of endorsing a Republican for president. By the same token Reagan was probably one of the few Republican politicians who had served as the head of a major labor union himself. (S.A.G.) He wasn't a Republican at the time. With the death of Reagan, it's difficult to identify a living, modern, icon of practical conservatism. That's because the sort of conservatism espoused by Reagan no longer exists. The current president and his administration, especially John Ashcroft, are decidedly NOT conservative. So many on both sides today are "my way or the highway," we are in danger of losing the art of creative and effective compromise in government. It's too bad that President Reagan died. He was 93 years old, for****ssake, with a debilitating illness! What different outcome did you have in mind? (Why is it easier to say "President Reagan" than "President Clinton" or "President Bush"?) Until some brighter light emerges from among the major players on the current political scene, (both incumbents and challengers), we may have to conclude, with regret, that they just don't make many people like that any more. I agree that Reagan was a giant. I agree also that we are not likely to see anyone of his stature for a generation or two to come. The only up side is that his suffering is finally over. Ther may be more dignity in a peaceful death than he was enjoying in the last flickers of a difficult daily life. Nancy Reagan epitomized love as she cared for Ronnie over the last 10 years or so. In her own way, she has shown an unusual strength of character as well. I always think of the lines from Tennyson when somebody I liked or respected passes on. If you read this slowly, and contemplate the meaning of each line, it's extremely beautiful. Reagan was a horseman, not a boater as far as I know, but here is anyway: Sunset and evening star, And one clear call for me! And may there be no moaning of the bar, When I put out to sea, But such a tide as moving seems asleep, Too full for sound and foam, When that which drew from out the boundless deep Turns again home. Twilight and evening bell, And after that the dark! And may there be no sadness of farewell, When I embark; For tho' from out our bourne of Time and Place The flood may bear me far, I hope to see my Pilot face to face When I have crost the bar. |
Ronald Reagan
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "Joe" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ... God bless you President Reagan. Thank you for your service to our country. Lemming. Poor Kevin Noble, his brain riddled with FAS. Hey, JoeTechnician, I'll be in Florida in two weeks. Care to get together for a beer? I'll be in Masaryktown, near Brookesville. Masaryktown? Yup. Seems like your kind of place. Masaryktown compared to Florida state average: a.. Median house value below state average. b.. Median age significantly above state average. c.. Renting percentage below state average. d.. Number of college students below state average. e.. Percentage of population with a bachelor's degree or higher significantly below state average. |
Ronald Reagan
NOYB wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "Joe" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message e.com... "NOYB" wrote in message ... God bless you President Reagan. Thank you for your service to our country. Lemming. Poor Kevin Noble, his brain riddled with FAS. Hey, JoeTechnician, I'll be in Florida in two weeks. Care to get together for a beer? I'll be in Masaryktown, near Brookesville. Masaryktown? Yup. Seems like your kind of place. Masaryktown compared to Florida state average: a.. Median house value below state average. b.. Median age significantly above state average. c.. Renting percentage below state average. d.. Number of college students below state average. e.. Percentage of population with a bachelor's degree or higher significantly below state average. I'd be wary if I were you. Your part of Florida, while affluent, is not the kind of place I'd choose to live. No major league hospitals, universities, orchestras, museums, and all that goes with them. Not even any great historical significance. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message om... "Joe" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message e.com... "NOYB" wrote in message ... God bless you President Reagan. Thank you for your service to our country. Lemming. Poor Kevin Noble, his brain riddled with FAS. Hey, JoeTechnician, I'll be in Florida in two weeks. Care to get together for a beer? I'll be in Masaryktown, near Brookesville. Masaryktown? Yup. Seems like your kind of place. Masaryktown compared to Florida state average: a.. Median house value below state average. b.. Median age significantly above state average. c.. Renting percentage below state average. d.. Number of college students below state average. e.. Percentage of population with a bachelor's degree or higher significantly below state average. I'd be wary if I were you. Your part of Florida, while affluent, is not the kind of place I'd choose to live. Uh-oh. It doesn't land on harry's approval list? No major league hospitals, The Cleveland Clinic in Naples is only open for about 3 or 4 years. Give it time. We just had a Bascomb Palmer Eye Institute open as well. universities, No, it's not a university town...yet. The founder of Domino's Pizza has donated a quarter of a billion dollars to build the "Notre Dame of the South" just 15 miles East of where I live. We'll have to see where it stands academically in about 15 years from now. http://members.aol.com/kq4ym/avemaria.html orchestras, Naples Philharmonic Orchestra http://www.thephil.org/index2.html museums, and all that goes with them. Neither does your "town". Museums are found in large cities...which Naples is not. Not even any great historical significance. Not sure how that matters? |
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message e.com... "Joe" wrote in message . .. "basskisser" wrote in message gle.com... "NOYB" wrote in message ... God bless you President Reagan. Thank you for your service to our country. Lemming. Poor Kevin Noble, his brain riddled with FAS. Hey, JoeTechnician, I'll be in Florida in two weeks. Care to get together for a beer? I'll be in Masaryktown, near Brookesville. Masaryktown? Yup. Seems like your kind of place. Masaryktown compared to Florida state average: a.. Median house value below state average. b.. Median age significantly above state average. c.. Renting percentage below state average. d.. Number of college students below state average. e.. Percentage of population with a bachelor's degree or higher significantly below state average. I'd be wary if I were you. Your part of Florida, while affluent, is not the kind of place I'd choose to live. Uh-oh. It doesn't land on harry's approval list? No major league hospitals, The Cleveland Clinic in Naples is only open for about 3 or 4 years. Give it time. We just had a Bascomb Palmer Eye Institute open as well. Thanks, I'll stick with the first-class teaching hospitals in my metro area. universities, No, it's not a university town...yet. The founder of Domino's Pizza has donated a quarter of a billion dollars to build the "Notre Dame of the South" just 15 miles East of where I live. We'll have to see where it stands academically in about 15 years from now. On the side of right-wing extremism, just like the founder of Domino's http://members.aol.com/kq4ym/avemaria.html orchestras, Naples Philharmonic Orchestra http://www.thephil.org/index2.html Regional orchestras can be fun. museums, and all that goes with them. Neither does your "town". Museums are found in large cities...which Naples is not. I live in the Washington, D.C.-Baltimore, MD area...and am about 40 miles from each. i am in downtown DC three days a week. Some of the best museums in the world are in my metro area. Not even any great historical significance. Not sure how that matters? Yeah, well...that sorta figures. |
Ronald Reagan
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... I'd be wary if I were you. Your part of Florida, while affluent, is not the kind of place I'd choose to live. No major league hospitals, universities, orchestras, museums, and all that goes with them. Not even any great historical significance. Why do you think he cares if you wanted to live in his area? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
... No, it's not a university town...yet. The founder of Domino's Pizza has donated a quarter of a billion dollars to build the "Notre Dame of the South" just 15 miles East of where I live. We'll have to see where it stands academically in about 15 years from now. On the side of right-wing extremism, just like the founder of Domino's Isn't that the knucklehead who lets just about every civic group or commercial promoter in his company's home town use the company's land for gatherings, but refused to allow the Lilith (womens' music) festival to rent the space because it might attract (whispering) lesbians? What a brilliant PR move! It's W.A.S.P. pizza, anyway. Nobody in their right mind likes it. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... No, it's not a university town...yet. The founder of Domino's Pizza has donated a quarter of a billion dollars to build the "Notre Dame of the South" just 15 miles East of where I live. We'll have to see where it stands academically in about 15 years from now. On the side of right-wing extremism, just like the founder of Domino's Isn't that the knucklehead who lets just about every civic group or commercial promoter in his company's home town use the company's land for gatherings, but refused to allow the Lilith (womens' music) festival to rent the space because it might attract (whispering) lesbians? What a brilliant PR move! It's W.A.S.P. pizza, anyway. Nobody in their right mind likes it. It is indeed garbage pizza, especially for a fellow like me who was born in and grew up in New Haven, Connecticut, home of Pepe's Pizza, considered by most who know as the very best pizza in the world. |
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"John Smith" wrote in message news:nNoxc.5225$0y.383@attbi_s03... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... I'd be wary if I were you. Your part of Florida, while affluent, is not the kind of place I'd choose to live. No major league hospitals, universities, orchestras, museums, and all that goes with them. Not even any great historical significance. Why do you think he cares if you wanted to live in his area? It's actually a better place because he and his ilk don't live here. He can go to the other coast where he'd be more welcome. |
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LOL, everyone knows the best pizza is in New York City.
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... No, it's not a university town...yet. The founder of Domino's Pizza has donated a quarter of a billion dollars to build the "Notre Dame of the South" just 15 miles East of where I live. We'll have to see where it stands academically in about 15 years from now. On the side of right-wing extremism, just like the founder of Domino's Isn't that the knucklehead who lets just about every civic group or commercial promoter in his company's home town use the company's land for gatherings, but refused to allow the Lilith (womens' music) festival to rent the space because it might attract (whispering) lesbians? What a brilliant PR move! It's W.A.S.P. pizza, anyway. Nobody in their right mind likes it. It is indeed garbage pizza, especially for a fellow like me who was born in and grew up in New Haven, Connecticut, home of Pepe's Pizza, considered by most who know as the very best pizza in the world. |
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"John Smith" wrote in message news:X7qxc.63964$eY2.59392@attbi_s02... LOL, everyone knows the best pizza is in New York City. Agreed. Connecticut? LOL. That *is* pretty funny, Harry. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... No, it's not a university town...yet. The founder of Domino's Pizza has donated a quarter of a billion dollars to build the "Notre Dame of the South" just 15 miles East of where I live. We'll have to see where it stands academically in about 15 years from now. On the side of right-wing extremism, just like the founder of Domino's Isn't that the knucklehead who lets just about every civic group or commercial promoter in his company's home town use the company's land for gatherings, but refused to allow the Lilith (womens' music) festival to rent the space because it might attract (whispering) lesbians? What a brilliant PR move! It's W.A.S.P. pizza, anyway. Nobody in their right mind likes it. It is indeed garbage pizza, especially for a fellow like me who was born in and grew up in New Haven, Connecticut, home of Pepe's Pizza, considered by most who know as the very best pizza in the world. |
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NOYB wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message news:X7qxc.63964$eY2.59392@attbi_s02... LOL, everyone knows the best pizza is in New York City. Agreed. Connecticut? LOL. That *is* pretty funny, Harry. Nope. New Haven and Pepe's is The Source of pizza and is known around the world for being the best. Here's one little article: New Haven: the birthplace of American pizza By Matt Wiegle On July 9, 1988, two stories dominated the front page of the New Haven Register: first, Oliver North was going on trial for his role in the Iran-Contra scandal; second, Sally's Pizza on Wooster Street was celebrating its 50th anniversary. Since then, North has sunk into relative obscurity, having attempted in vain to gain office in the very government he tried to subvert. However, Sally's and its slightly older neighbor Pepe's remain positive icons by continuing their roles as the progenitors of American pizza and by having nothing whatsoever to do with foreign policy. In the early years of the 20th century (the Pizza Legend goes) Frank Pepe immigrated to New Haven, where he created the first American pizza by putting tomatoes on top of old bake-shop bread. His creation was so successful that in 1925 Pepe opened his first pizzeria on Wooster Street. By 1938, business was booming, the whole family was involved, and Pepe's nephew Sal Consiglio split off and opened his own pizzeria, Sally's. Soon, Pepe had moved out of his original store, now called The Spot, and opened a larger restaurant. Sally's and Pepe's remain locked in their Wooster Street rivalry today, two blocks apart. The pizza from both establishments is refreshingly thin and light. While chains like Pizza Hut have become increasingly obsessed with using cheese as stomach ballast, packing as much as possible into their pies, Sally's and Pepe's wisely demur. Pepe's pies look exactly like good oven-cooked pizza should: cheese sitting on top of but not dominating the sauce, with a flour-dusted crust framing the affair. They're as delicious as they look. Pizza from Sally's is even better. Arriving at the table in shapes that make equal distribution between dinner party members difficult, these pies have almost no visible crust—the toppings go to the edge. Their sauce is tangier than Pepe's and the slices are softer. It's a joy just to hold one and fold it in half. Even the mouth burns from a Sally's pizza taste good. A charming sense of tradition inhabits Sally's as well as Pepe's. Sally's, for example, is furnished with brownish-yellow booths that set off its brownish-yellow walls, which makes everything inside look a bit like an old sepia-tone photograph. The Spot is adorned with old photos of Frank Pepe in a service uniform and in a chef's hat, posing in front of vast shelves of tomato sauce. He wears the same bemused yet glum expression in each picture, which suggests something of the guy's attitude toward either life in general, or the army and pizza-making in particular. Wooster Street is a beautiful area that does New Haven proud, but the section that Yale students have to walk through to get there does not. Closer to home, there's Naples Pizza; if its tradition of pizza-making is not as rock-solid, its tradition of serving it within a more reasonable walking distance is. Cheap slices provide a good way for friends to pass an evening: talk, order a slice, talk, eat, talk, order a slice. There's a big TV, there's beer, and if Naples can't muster a defining personality, at least many personalities have left their mark. Naples' tables are filled with carved messages of all kinds, from the initials of couples who have probably since broken up to the scribbled names of sports teams who now suck. Some of the carvings are so deep that they may have taken decades to complete. Modern Apizza is another excellent pizza place; although removed from both the Wooster Street area and central campus, it features glorious Sally's-esque pies that have won the New Haven Advocate Reader's Poll for two years running. Although the great food still means Modern is crowded at peak hours, it's much easier to get into than either of the Wooster twins. While each of these places offers its proud traditions, XandO on Elm Street offers the tradition of stealing the other guy's idea and creating a corporate version. The chain coffee shop recently refashioned itself as a "coffeehouse and pizzeria," hiring a chef away from Pepe's to create its own brand of New Haven pizza. While it's good, XandO itself still feels like the set of a bad sitcom and looks uninhabitable. When Sal Consiglio died, 2,000 people attended his wake and The New York Times ran a half-page "In Memoriam"; if XandO's guy bit the dust, the only turnout would be his hyena-like spawn, scrabbling over his corpse in an effort to get to the will. You can make the food, but you can't copy the love. Go to Wooster and feel some. Photo of a Pepe's pie by John Yi. Havens for pie lovers Modern founded 1934 $11.65 a pizza 874 State Street Naples founded 1968 $11.65 a pizza 90 Wall Street Pepe's founded 1925 $11.65 a pizza 157 Wooster Street Sally's founded 1938 $14.00 a pizza 237 Wooster Street XandO founded 1996 $12.00 a pizza 338 Elm Street Yorkside founded 1977 $9.50 a pizza 228 York Street |
Ronald Reagan
jps wrote in message . ..
In article , says... You truly have no class. I'm certainly not going to bow down to someone who I abhorred while he ran the country simply because he's passed on. Nobody asked you to, or even expects you to. But one with class wouldn't have referred to the man as a "nice pig" on the day he died. When Clinton dies, you'll all be talking about how he was a philandering liar. I'll be hoping that his soul rests in peace. Just looking back at the OT threads in *this* newsgroup would not support your prediction. Look at the Wellstone threads. The "arguements" generally centered around the left wing politicizing of his public memorial. I took a quick look and found nobody bashing Wellstone - it was the political rally that was focus of the arguements. I wish Clinton would rest in peace now... He's a former president but doesn't seem to want exercise the tradition of keeping his mouth shut. He should enjoy his retirement. |
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