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Trivia question (McCullough outboards)
OK, Here's one for you. What was the name of the original test grounds for McCullough outboards and what is it called today? :-) barry (for extra points, what was the name of Karl Keikeifer's testing lake?).. |
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trainfan1 wrote:
McCULLOCH ! Rob |
"trainfan1" wrote in message ... wrote: OK, Here's one for you. What was the name of the original test grounds for McCullough outboards and what is it called today? Site Six / Lake Havasu OK, sports fans, who knows what outboard motor part was designed by McCullouch and was also used on OMC outboards who paid royalties to McCullouch for each item produced? Bonus question, who from the McCullouch family was married to a family member of the OMC Board of Directors? Also, how many folks remember the small 1/2 pint cans of McCullough 100:1 oil that could be used in their outboards? What was unique about some McCullough outboard sparkplugs back in their day? Bill Grannis service manager |
Billgran wrote:
OK, sports fans, who knows what outboard motor part was designed by McCullouch and was also used on OMC outboards who paid royalties to McCullouch for each item produced? Was it a feature/part produced/designed by/during the Scott-A****er era, up to 1956, or 1957-up? All the old Scott-A****er Literature we had bragged about being the first with "Full Gear Shift" (F-N-R) so this would come to mind first. It was a pretty important feature to have... Bonus question, who from the McCullouch family was married to a family member of the OMC Board of Directors? Stephen Briggs (of Briggs & Stratton) was Chairman of the Board of OMC when he and Ole Evinrude(OMC President) formed the firm back in the mid twenties. Robert McCulloch married his daughter, Barbara. I don't know if Briggs' son, Jim was on the BOD, but he was an officer of the company at some point. Also, how many folks remember the small 1/2 pint cans of McCullough 100:1 oil that could be used in their outboards? I remember them, but my dad & grandfather were Pennsylvania crude fans, and our Scotts & McCullochs got Quaker State SAE 30 or SAE 40 2-stroke oil mixed at 50:1. Our McCulloch 40 had a nice feature, though, a 10 gallon factory supplied fuel tank! What was unique about some McCullough outboard sparkplugs back in their day? I do remember having a place on the engine block to screw in a spare set... as for the plugs, I recall my father not liking the "360's", or surface gap plugs, before we even got our V-4 Evinrude with them. The only thing "unique" about the surface gap plugs was the anti-fouling feature like on the Champion UL-77V plugs in the Evinrude - a split in the core. We use the Bosch Silver Sport plugs in the Evinrudes now. Rob (33+ Years working on OMCs) |
"trainfan1" wrote in message ... Billgran wrote: OK, sports fans, who knows what outboard motor part was designed by McCullouch and was also used on OMC outboards who paid royalties to McCullouch for each item produced? Was it a feature/part produced/designed by/during the Scott-A****er era, up to 1956, or 1957-up? All the old Scott-A****er Literature we had bragged about being the first with "Full Gear Shift" (F-N-R) so this would come to mind first. It was a pretty important feature to have... Bonus question, who from the McCullouch family was married to a family member of the OMC Board of Directors? Stephen Briggs (of Briggs & Stratton) was Chairman of the Board of OMC when he and Ole Evinrude(OMC President) formed the firm back in the mid twenties. Robert McCulloch married his daughter, Barbara. I don't know if Briggs' son, Jim was on the BOD, but he was an officer of the company at some point. Also, how many folks remember the small 1/2 pint cans of McCullough 100:1 oil that could be used in their outboards? I remember them, but my dad & grandfather were Pennsylvania crude fans, and our Scotts & McCullochs got Quaker State SAE 30 or SAE 40 2-stroke oil mixed at 50:1. Our McCulloch 40 had a nice feature, though, a 10 gallon factory supplied fuel tank! What was unique about some McCullough outboard sparkplugs back in their day? I do remember having a place on the engine block to screw in a spare set... as for the plugs, I recall my father not liking the "360's", or surface gap plugs, before we even got our V-4 Evinrude with them. The only thing "unique" about the surface gap plugs was the anti-fouling feature like on the Champion UL-77V plugs in the Evinrude - a split in the core. We use the Bosch Silver Sport plugs in the Evinrudes now. Rob (33+ Years working on OMCs) OK, Rob, you done good !!!!! You got them all correct except for the first question, and you even remembered names that I had forgotten. Yep, they also had the "surface gap" sparkplugs and used them with regular point and condenser ignition systems, not CDI systems. McCullough had the vertical spring rewind starter assembly and OMC used it on their 6hp motors and the famous 9.5hp motor also. That feature, I'm told, was the result of the marriage and working things out to both company's advantage. Bill Grannis service manager |
Billgran wrote:
McCullough had the vertical spring rewind starter assembly and OMC used it on their 6hp motors and the famous 9.5hp motor also. That feature, I'm told, was the result of the marriage and working things out to both company's advantage. Bill Grannis service manager I've re-strung & re-geared so many of those I can do it blindfolded, as long as I keep track of the roll pin for the gear swap. I can't believe how often they break on rentals... my 1972 6 that the whole family uses still has the original rope, handle, & gear (although it is cracked - for about the last 5-6 years or so - new one in the parts bin for when it goes). The first application of this type of recoil I can recall seeing was on my grandfather's Lawn-Boy... which was made by... OH, now I get it...! Rob |
Billgran wrote:
: Also, how many folks remember the small 1/2 pint cans of McCullough 100:1 : oil that could be used in their outboards? Yellow, black and white cans. : What was unique about some McCullough outboard sparkplugs back in their day? Ring gap plugs. |
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OK, let's try another. What part in Mercruiser outdrives required them to pay royalties to Volvo Penta? Why didn't early Mercury outboards have neutral? (Getting my ideas from a great book called "The Iron Fist".) b. |
wrote in message oups.com... OK, let's try another. What part in Mercruiser outdrives required them to pay royalties to Volvo Penta? (Getting my ideas from a great book called "The Iron Fist".) b. It's been a long time since I read that book, but my recollection is from earlier days with OMC. I believe the dual u-joint drive shaft was the item that required the royalties. OMC stern-drives had to use the "ball-gear" setup to get around that patent. Back in the '30s, OMC had a stern drive setup used to power barges. Bill Grannis service manager |
wrote in message oups.com... : What was unique about some McCullough outboard sparkplugs back in their day? Ring gap plugs. Yep, surface gap plugs, a first for outboards. Bill Grannis service manager |
Billgran wrote:
: wrote in message : oups.com... : : OK, let's try another. : : What part in Mercruiser outdrives required them to pay royalties to : Volvo Penta? : : (Getting my ideas from a great book called "The Iron Fist".) : : b. : It's been a long time since I read that book, but my recollection is from : earlier days with OMC. I believe the dual u-joint drive shaft was the item : that required the royalties. OMC stern-drives had to use the "ball-gear" : setup to get around that patent. Back in the '30s, OMC had a stern drive : setup used to power barges. That's it!. There was a guy (Steve Wynn?) who invented the sterndrive whilst working for Karl and Karl didn't think it was a good idea. He left for Volvo Penta and that really irked Kiekiefer. OMC used the ball gear to get around it until the patent expired on it. Then they went to the Cobra drive. Additionally, Kiekiefer didn't think there was a "need" for a neutral in an outboard. Hence, those throttles/shifts with the starter button on the end of the handle. Karl was quite a tyrant. Ironically, he had an *electrical* engineering degree and designed outboard motors. b. |
wrote in message roups.com... There was a guy (Steve Wynn?) who invented the sterndrive whilst working for Karl and Karl didn't think it was a good idea. He left for Volvo Penta and that really irked Kiekiefer. OMC used the ball gear to get around it until the patent expired on it. Then they went to the Cobra drive. b. Actually Jim Winn was the "front guy" to Volvo for the idea of the stern drive, as it was really thought up by Charlie Strang who was Merc's chief engineer at the time. Jim and Charlie had to talk to Volvo and swear them to secrecy as long as Carl was alive. In the late '60s, Strang became OMC's chief engineer. He was instrumental in the OMC Cobra stern drive that came out when Merc and Volvo's patents expired. Strang was the father of the stern drive and had a hand in the design of the Volvo, MercCruiser, and OMC Cobra stern drives. Bill Grannis service manager |
Billgran wrote:
: Actually Jim Winn was the "front guy" to Volvo for the idea of the stern : drive, as it was really thought up by Charlie Strang who was Merc's chief : engineer at the time. Jim and Charlie had to talk to Volvo and swear them to : secrecy as long as Carl was alive. In the late '60s, Strang became OMC's : chief engineer. He was instrumental in the OMC Cobra stern drive that came : out when Merc and Volvo's patents expired. Strang was the father of the : stern drive and had a hand in the design of the Volvo, MercCruiser, and OMC : Cobra stern drives. : Bill Grannis : service manager Ahh... It's been a long time since I've read the book and I've forgotten a lot of the detail. Thanks for the clarification. barry |
If it is of any interest, I have a Speedliner 18 ft boat that several of my
local friends work with Karl on during the development of the I/O. Perhaps one of the reasons that Karl had limited interest in the I/O initially was because he and these guys were hard at developing their own version and when Steve Winn upstaged them, it may have irritated him! As I turns out I was friends with the boat designer/builder, the machinists here in Kansas City, MO working with Karl and Karl, The boat designer/builder passed away just a few years ago. Fortunately I got to work with him on several projects including the final boat built by Speedliner, a "B" Racing Runabout for me. We built it in 6 days! Of course it took another couple of weeks to get the finish and hardware on. I have a Yamato engine on it and have only run it once in my 3 acre farm pond. I treasure this boat because it represents the end of an era and good times with the folks at Speedliner. We all used to race together in the Midwest. Don Dando I'm guessing that the answer to the Volvo question is the Duo-Prop design that Volvo came out with before Merk did. As far as "no neutral on an outboard", I think OMC was tearing up gear cases on their larger hp motors and Karl stated that Merk wasn't going to have that problem. He used proven non shifting lower units and reversed the direction of the power head, hence the "DR" Direct Reverse engine. I collect and restore outboards and have about 25 DR's. Don Dando wrote in message roups.com... Billgran wrote: : wrote in message : oups.com... : : OK, let's try another. : : What part in Mercruiser outdrives required them to pay royalties to : Volvo Penta? : : (Getting my ideas from a great book called "The Iron Fist".) : : b. : It's been a long time since I read that book, but my recollection is from : earlier days with OMC. I believe the dual u-joint drive shaft was the item : that required the royalties. OMC stern-drives had to use the "ball-gear" : setup to get around that patent. Back in the '30s, OMC had a stern drive : setup used to power barges. That's it!. There was a guy (Steve Wynn?) who invented the sterndrive whilst working for Karl and Karl didn't think it was a good idea. He left for Volvo Penta and that really irked Kiekiefer. OMC used the ball gear to get around it until the patent expired on it. Then they went to the Cobra drive. Additionally, Kiekiefer didn't think there was a "need" for a neutral in an outboard. Hence, those throttles/shifts with the starter button on the end of the handle. Karl was quite a tyrant. Ironically, he had an *electrical* engineering degree and designed outboard motors. b. |
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