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"John H" wrote in message ... On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:25:15 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On 07 Jun 2004 15:59:45 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: If the economy is at rock bottom, unemployment is sky high, and no one can find work because Bush has personally sent all the jobs, including manufacturing, to India, then how can "...more work than they can handle..." be true? John H 'Cause when life is the ****z you gotta flush more often?.... :-) I wasn't talking about plumbers. But, if the situation is as bad as many say, then it would seem like "Porta Jons" would be the business to be in. Hell, I can't even afford a plumber and my wife still has a job! I had a plumber to my house for a "$49 minimum" house call. (As a dentist, I charge $45 for an exam...and I have a lot higher overhead thanks to CDC and OSHA regulations). Anyhow...he said I needed a new toilet. $250-300 for the toilet and $250 to install it. $250 to install a toilet?!?!? It takes a 1/2 hour, and the cost of supplies is less than $10. I paid him the $49 and showed him the door. I bought a snake, removed the toilet, snaked the drain, and my old toilet works fine now. Cost? Less than $30 for one wax rim and a Wal-Mart toilet snake...and $49 paid to one crooked plumber to misdiagnose my problem. Who was the plumber? New toilets can be had at Home Depot for around $50-75. "Mr. Rooter" And if you use my wife's logic, a toilet can't be any good if it only costs $50-75. ;-) |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Now, do you have a list of the occupations included in the "mfg. jobs" section of the report you noted? I went to the bls website you referred to, and found a gazillion reports, files, etc etc etc going back many years. Can you offer a more definitive link that will demonstrate that in spite of the administration's stated intention to reclassify burger flipping as a manufacturing job, they have not, in fact, done so? (Or had not done so in the time period covered by the report?) I'd really like to be wrong on this one. It would be better all around if the administration wasn't pumping up the number of manufacturing jobs merely by expanding the number of job classifications defined as "manufacturing." Here is the reply I received from the BLS concerning the classification of fast food jobs- From: Brown, Harold - BLS Cc: cesinfo ; Brown, Harold - BLS Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:42 PM Subject: Question on manufacturing jobs Thanks for your information request. Data on Eating and Drinking establishments, formally SIC 58 in Retail Trade, are now included in NAICS 722 (Food Services and Drinking Places) and not classified as Manufacturing jobs. Information about this NAICS code can be found at the following link: http://www.census.gov/epcd/naics02/def/NDEF722.HTM You can also obtain data on this industry from our survey by accessing the following link: http://www.bls.gov/ces/cestips.htm If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me directly by email or phone. Harold Brown Economist (202)-691-6544 |
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"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "John H" wrote in message ... On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:25:15 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On 07 Jun 2004 15:59:45 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: If the economy is at rock bottom, unemployment is sky high, and no one can find work because Bush has personally sent all the jobs, including manufacturing, to India, then how can "...more work than they can handle..." be true? John H 'Cause when life is the ****z you gotta flush more often?.... :-) I wasn't talking about plumbers. But, if the situation is as bad as many say, then it would seem like "Porta Jons" would be the business to be in. Hell, I can't even afford a plumber and my wife still has a job! I had a plumber to my house for a "$49 minimum" house call. (As a dentist, I charge $45 for an exam...and I have a lot higher overhead thanks to CDC and OSHA regulations). Anyhow...he said I needed a new toilet. $250-300 for the toilet and $250 to install it. $250 to install a toilet?!?!? It takes a 1/2 hour, and the cost of supplies is less than $10. I paid him the $49 and showed him the door. I bought a snake, removed the toilet, snaked the drain, and my old toilet works fine now. Cost? Less than $30 for one wax rim and a Wal-Mart toilet snake...and $49 paid to one crooked plumber to misdiagnose my problem. Who was the plumber? New toilets can be had at Home Depot for around $50-75. "Mr. Rooter" And if you use my wife's logic, a toilet can't be any good if it only costs $50-75. ;-) They work.....after the third of fourth flush :-) |
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"DSK" wrote in message .. . NOYB wrote: Where's "around here"? Here's a look at the rates in the top 10 markets: http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/mtg...p?prodtype=mtg Interesting. Thanks for the link. Please note that the only rates quoted with zero points were 1-year ARMs (a sucker bet IMHO), if John H's daughter got a 15 year mortgage then she's doing just OK, if a 30 (the way to go IMHO based on historical interest rates) then she's getting ripped off. Not really. The average 30 year fixed rate in most of the east coast markets is over 6.3%...which is what John H said his daughter was getting. Plus, that 6.3% is with points. BTW none of those places are near me... or for that matter, none of them are in Florida which I'd assume to be a major market... The national index average is 6.34%. I doubt any specific market would deviate much from that. I just closed on a house 6 weeks ago with a 4.25% 5/1 ARM. 95% LTV. "Interest-only" payment option, jumbo loan. 80% first mortgage. 15% second. The second is indexed to prime plus 1/4. I would have locked a 30-year fixed, but I couldn't afford a fully amortized (interest and principle) 30 year fixed loan at this point in my life. In 5 years, my practice is paid off and I can afford to pay the principle. At that point, I can either refinance the loan, or let it adjust to the new rate. Paying "interest only" is not a great idea unless: 1) housing is appreciating very rapidly, and 2) your income will be significantly higher in the near future...at which time you can pay a fully amortized payment which includes principle. |
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"DSK" wrote in message .. . NOYB wrote: Where's "around here"? Here's a look at the rates in the top 10 markets: http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/mtg...p?prodtype=mtg Interesting. Thanks for the link. Please note that the only rates quoted with zero points were 1-year ARMs (a sucker bet IMHO), if John H's daughter got a 15 year mortgage then she's doing just OK, if a 30 (the way to go IMHO based on historical interest rates) then she's getting ripped off. BTW none of those places are near me... or for that matter, none of them are in Florida which I'd assume to be a major market... BTW2 if you want to know something about real economics (ie in the world outide Bush/Cheney Fantasyland) try reading some of this http://www.strom.clemson.edu/becker/...cs_primer.html The title ain't so hot but the material is right on. If most kids paid attention in high school econ, then there is no new information in that link. Nevertheless, I bookmarked the page. It may come in handy to some of the nimwits on usenet who haven't a clue about the basic workings of economics. |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Now, do you have a list of the occupations included in the "mfg. jobs" section of the report you noted? I went to the bls website you referred to, and found a gazillion reports, files, etc etc etc going back many years. Can you offer a more definitive link that will demonstrate that in spite of the administration's stated intention to reclassify burger flipping as a manufacturing job, they have not, in fact, done so? (Or had not done so in the time period covered by the report?) I'd really like to be wrong on this one. It would be better all around if the administration wasn't pumping up the number of manufacturing jobs merely by expanding the number of job classifications defined as "manufacturing." Here is the reply I received from the BLS concerning the classification of fast food jobs- From: Brown, Harold - BLS Cc: cesinfo ; Brown, Harold - BLS Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:42 PM Subject: Question on manufacturing jobs Thanks for your information request. Data on Eating and Drinking establishments, formally SIC 58 in Retail Trade, are now included in NAICS 722 (Food Services and Drinking Places) and not classified as Manufacturing jobs. Information about this NAICS code can be found at the following link: http://www.census.gov/epcd/naics02/def/NDEF722.HTM You can also obtain data on this industry from our survey by accessing the following link: http://www.bls.gov/ces/cestips.htm If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me directly by email or phone. Harold Brown Economist (202)-691-6544 Gulp! Does that mean Gould "lied" when he said that burger flippers *were* reclassified as manufacturing jobs? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message k.net... Gulp! Does that mean Gould "lied" when he said that burger flippers *were* reclassified as manufacturing jobs? Maybe just gullible. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net... Gulp! Does that mean Gould "lied" when he said that burger flippers *were* reclassified as manufacturing jobs? Maybe just gullible. More precisely, misled by the administration's own recommendation that fast food jobs should now be considered manufacturing. (Sort of like "ketchup counts as a vegetable in a school lunch") Whatever the source of my misinformation, I do hereby admit to being underinformed and reaching an erroneous conclusion. You guys have to be correct once in a while, how the heck else could you be called the "right" wing? :-) Now, if I said that DC hookers were being counted as a "service industry", *that* would be a lie. |
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... if a 30 (the
way to go IMHO based on historical interest rates) then she's getting ripped off. NOYB wrote: Not really. The average 30 year fixed rate in most of the east coast markets is over 6.3%...which is what John H said his daughter was getting. Plus, that 6.3% is with points. I assumed his daughter was also in the DC area, not necessarily a valid assumption. In any event, looking at macroeconomic events and doing the math, over the next 30 years it seems almost a certainty that interest rates will go up, and stay up, enough to make a 30 year mortgage at current rates very attractive. I would have locked a 30-year fixed, but I couldn't afford a fully amortized (interest and principle) 30 year fixed loan at this point in my life. Not to get personal, but this suggests you have too much house. ... In 5 years, my practice is paid off and I can afford to pay the principle. At that point, I can either refinance the loan, or let it adjust to the new rate. Paying "interest only" is not a great idea unless: 1) housing is appreciating very rapidly, and 2) your income will be significantly higher in the near future...at which time you can pay a fully amortized payment which includes principle. Agreed. #2 is not an assumption a real conservative would make, though. DSK |
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"DSK" wrote in message .. . ... if a 30 (the way to go IMHO based on historical interest rates) then she's getting ripped off. NOYB wrote: Not really. The average 30 year fixed rate in most of the east coast markets is over 6.3%...which is what John H said his daughter was getting. Plus, that 6.3% is with points. I assumed his daughter was also in the DC area, not necessarily a valid assumption. In any event, looking at macroeconomic events and doing the math, over the next 30 years it seems almost a certainty that interest rates will go up, and stay up, enough to make a 30 year mortgage at current rates very attractive. I would have locked a 30-year fixed, but I couldn't afford a fully amortized (interest and principle) 30 year fixed loan at this point in my life. Not to get personal, but this suggests you have too much house. Normally, I would say that I agree with you. However, in my personal situation, it makes sense. The house in on the water, which is why it is so expensive. As a boater, I was paying nearly $500/mo. to store 2 boats. I was also paying another $400/mo in homeowners' association fees for my old house. I used that "saved" $900/mo towards the mortgage on the new house...since I don't have association fees and I don't have to pay to store my boat anymore. ... In 5 years, my practice is paid off and I can afford to pay the principle. At that point, I can either refinance the loan, or let it adjust to the new rate. Paying "interest only" is not a great idea unless: 1) housing is appreciating very rapidly, and 2) your income will be significantly higher in the near future...at which time you can pay a fully amortized payment which includes principle. Agreed. #2 is not an assumption a real conservative would make, though. It makes sense for me since my business is paid off in 5 years. That frees up an additional $6000/mo. that flows through to me as income...income that I can use to pay down the principal if I so desire. That's why it's safe to assume that my income in 5 years will be significantly higher than it is today...even with zero growth in my business. I know I won't see the full $6k due to taxes...but since most of the payment is principal by now, I'm personally taxed on the 6 thousand *as if* it were income...but never get the 6 grand since it goes to the bank. Every year, I pay cash to update my office and equipment, so I won't have to take out a large loan again when this one is paid off. Sure, the house is too expensive for me at this point...but I look at it this way: I'm effectively renting the place for 5 years with an option to buy it in 5 years at today's price. I'm also getting a nice big mortgage deduction on my taxes...which plain ol' renting wouldn't give me. With housing on the water averaging 26%/year appreciation over the last 5 years down here, it's a no-brainer. Even if the house goes up only 5%/year, it'll be worth almost 28% more than I paid for it. I'll have 33% equity in the place without ever paying a dime towards principal. I can consolidate the first and second and get a 15 year mortgage for 70% of appraised value. By age 57, the house is paid off...and very likely worth three to four times my purchase price. By then, the house is paid off and the kids are through college...and I'll retire with no debt at age 60. If the value goes up 10%/year (much more realistic for waterfront in Naples), then in 5 years, the house will be worth 61% more than I paid for it. I'll have a little over 40% equity in the place...without ever paying principal. If you're young enough, foresee a higher income in the near future, and are buying a house in an area with rapidly appreciating housing values, then "interest-only" (and maybe even "negative amortization") loans make sense. If you're older, have a pretty level income for the foreseeable future, and are buying in a housing market where home values increase very little, then interest only loans make *no* sense. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Gulp! Does that mean Gould "lied" when he said that burger flippers *were* reclassified as manufacturing jobs? Maybe just gullible. More precisely, misled by the administration's own recommendation that fast food jobs should now be considered manufacturing. (Sort of like "ketchup counts as a vegetable in a school lunch") Whatever the source of my misinformation, I do hereby admit to being underinformed and reaching an erroneous conclusion. You guys have to be correct once in a while, how the heck else could you be called the "right" wing? :-) Geez, Gould, I gave you a flat-out "apology" (that you were going to bronze) in the boat speed thread. You, OTH, in true liberal fashion, blame somebody else. Now, if I said that DC hookers were being counted as a "service industry", *that* would be a lie. But it would be more realistic and believable, don't you agree? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... DSK wrote: John H wrote: So the unemployment rate was zero at the time you graduated? Did I say that? No, here is what I said: "The class before mine was 85% recruited before graduation and 100% employed in the field. AFAIK that was the peak." This was speaking of undergrad engineers, specificially BSME grads from a well regarded university. I wouldn't be surprised if the engineering class at Wottsamatta U. did not fare so well. You are supposedly in the education field, John, is this discussion about economics *that* far above your head, or are you truly blinded to any fact which does not support Bush/Cheney's propaganda? Meanwhile, what do you have to say about the implications of interest rates versus the supposedly booming economy? DSK Herring is a substitute teacher. Period. It's better than being the mouth peice of a money grubbing union organization. |
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:00:29 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:25:15 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On 07 Jun 2004 15:59:45 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Who was the plumber? New toilets can be had at Home Depot for around $50-75. "Mr. Rooter" And if you use my wife's logic, a toilet can't be any good if it only costs $50-75. ;-) Let her spend a couple hundred bucks on the toilet seat! John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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Geez, Gould, I gave you a flat-out "apology" (that you were going to bronze)
in the boat speed thread. You, OTH, in true liberal fashion, blame somebody else. An apology is only appropriate when one has committed an offensive personal act. (Such as calling somebody a liar). Absent such egregious, brutish behavior, an admission of error is sufficient. I admitted my error, and explained the basis upon which it was founded. Being incorrect once in a while isn't a sin, nor should taking a position ultimately proved to be wrong be construed as an insult by those on the other side of the question. The entire purpose of discussion is to explore truth, not determine who should be taken out an shot for being less correct on an issue. |
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Sounds an awful lot like Colin and George with reference to WMD in Iraq. You
knew that was coming, right Chuck? Yes, it does. Too bad the results of their erroneous conclusion aren't as benign as the results of mine. :-) |
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A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the
street when they came upon a homeless person. The Republican gave the homeless person his business card and told him to come to his business for a job. He then took twenty dollars out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person. The Democrat was very impressed, and when they came to another homeless person, he decided to help. He walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. Then he then reached into the Republican's pocket and got out twenty dollars, gave the homeless person five and kept 15 for administrative overhead. |
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Now, if I said that DC hookers were being counted as a "service industry",
*that* would be a lie. Also, don't be knocking our hookers. And why not? Fair is fair, and they're out there hooking with their knockers.... |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Geez, Gould, I gave you a flat-out "apology" (that you were going to bronze) in the boat speed thread. You, OTH, in true liberal fashion, blame somebody else. An apology is only appropriate when one has committed an offensive personal act. Then I retract my apology for initially providing you with inaccurate data on the boat speed/economy thread. |
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Then I retract my apology for initially providing you with inaccurate data
on the boat speed/economy thread. No apology was sought. I wanted to bronze your admission of error, (a rare item), not the apology. If you care to apologize for accusing me of being a liar, I'd accept that. You might have noticed that when our perspectives differed in the boat speed thread I never stooped to insult. It really is possible to take different sides without getting all grammar school about it. Yes, it's increasingly rare but diplomacy is an art we would all do well to cultivate. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Geez, Gould, I gave you a flat-out "apology" (that you were going to bronze) in the boat speed thread. You, OTH, in true liberal fashion, blame somebody else. It's more than I expected. Last time he was proven wrong on BLS statistics he faded into the background. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Then I retract my apology for initially providing you with inaccurate data on the boat speed/economy thread. No apology was sought. I wanted to bronze your admission of error, (a rare item), not the apology. If you care to apologize for accusing me of being a liar, I'd accept that. You lied, thus the label of "liar". Of course, once caught in the lie, you simply stated you were "misinformed"...which is a second lie. Liar. You might have noticed that when our perspectives differed in the boat speed thread I never stooped to insult. It really is possible to take different sides without getting all grammar school about it. Yes, it's increasingly rare but diplomacy is an art we would all do well to cultivate. |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Geez, Gould, I gave you a flat-out "apology" (that you were going to bronze) in the boat speed thread. You, OTH, in true liberal fashion, blame somebody else. It's more than I expected. Last time he was proven wrong on BLS statistics he faded into the background. It's the new and unimproved Gould. Didn't he say he was going to stay out of political threads? What a liar! |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Geez, Gould, I gave you a flat-out "apology" (that you were going to bronze) in the boat speed thread. You, OTH, in true liberal fashion, blame somebody else. It's more than I expected. Last time he was proven wrong on BLS statistics he faded into the background. He has made several blunders here and has yet to say he was wrong. The guy has an ego problem. |
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"jim--" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Geez, Gould, I gave you a flat-out "apology" (that you were going to bronze) in the boat speed thread. You, OTH, in true liberal fashion, blame somebody else. It's more than I expected. Last time he was proven wrong on BLS statistics he faded into the background. He has made several blunders here and has yet to say he was wrong. The guy has an ego problem. Typical arrogance for a liebral |
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I would not consider Gould's mistake to be a lie, it was a misunderstanding,
which we all make. I have found whenever I read something in the newspaper that just doesn't seem right, it normally isn't. Newspapers are not the ultimate source of correct information, even the best of them write articles designed to sell newspapers. I remember reading about how the US was at the bottom of the barrel in education. When I checked into it, the tests were not given to the same population in all countries. The test was only given to people in the 12 yr. of education. In most countries at the age of 15 or 16 the students either continue on in the academic track, or change over to trade school. In non US countries only the best and brightest stay on the academic track and the average person is taken out of the testing pool. In the US all students stay on the academic track until 12 grade, so the US testing population included the best, the average and the dumbest, skewing the results of the test. At no time, was this ever discussed in any of the articles I read. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Gulp! Does that mean Gould "lied" when he said that burger flippers *were* reclassified as manufacturing jobs? Maybe just gullible. More precisely, misled by the administration's own recommendation that fast food jobs should now be considered manufacturing. (Sort of like "ketchup counts as a vegetable in a school lunch") Whatever the source of my misinformation, I do hereby admit to being underinformed and reaching an erroneous conclusion. You guys have to be correct once in a while, how the heck else could you be called the "right" wing? :-) Now, if I said that DC hookers were being counted as a "service industry", *that* would be a lie. |
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NOYB,
It can only be considered a lie, if the person knew the information was incorrect and continued to repeat the information. I read the same info that Gould did, and when he made the statement I tried to find out if the change in manufacturing jobs had actually been implemented. I could not find any reference to the change being rejected by the administration. Joe, did a great job of going to the source and asking the question, but the fact that Gould did not, does not make him a liar. "NOYB" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Then I retract my apology for initially providing you with inaccurate data on the boat speed/economy thread. No apology was sought. I wanted to bronze your admission of error, (a rare item), not the apology. If you care to apologize for accusing me of being a liar, I'd accept that. You lied, thus the label of "liar". Of course, once caught in the lie, you simply stated you were "misinformed"...which is a second lie. Liar. You might have noticed that when our perspectives differed in the boat speed thread I never stooped to insult. It really is possible to take different sides without getting all grammar school about it. Yes, it's increasingly rare but diplomacy is an art we would all do well to cultivate. |
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Chuck,
The erroneous conclusion was made by most of the people in government, including the previous two administration. The fact that Clinton and Bush, and members of both parties in Congress made a mistake, doesn't make any of them a liar. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Sounds an awful lot like Colin and George with reference to WMD in Iraq. You knew that was coming, right Chuck? Yes, it does. Too bad the results of their erroneous conclusion aren't as benign as the results of mine. :-) |
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"John Smith" wrote in message news:wgixc.15168$HG.6000@attbi_s53... NOYB, It can only be considered a lie, if the person knew the information was incorrect and continued to repeat the information. I read the same info that Gould did, and when he made the statement I tried to find out if the change in manufacturing jobs had actually been implemented. I could not find any reference to the change being rejected by the administration. Joe, did a great job of going to the source and asking the question, but the fact that Gould did not, does not make him a liar. "NOYB" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Then I retract my apology for initially providing you with inaccurate data on the boat speed/economy thread. No apology was sought. I wanted to bronze your admission of error, (a rare item), not the apology. If you care to apologize for accusing me of being a liar, I'd accept that. You lied, thus the label of "liar". Of course, once caught in the lie, you simply stated you were "misinformed"...which is a second lie. Liar. You might have noticed that when our perspectives differed in the boat speed thread I never stooped to insult. It really is possible to take different sides without getting all grammar school about it. Yes, it's increasingly rare but diplomacy is an art we would all do well to cultivate. John, Gould stated "mini-wage burger flippers were reclassified as "manufacturing" workers". When I pointed out he was wrong, he made at least a dozen or so posts defending his original claim. He was being intentionally deceptive (ie--purposely spinning the facts to suit his intended goal of discrediting a positive economic report) In my World, spinning is lying. With all of the spin coming out of Washington and the media, you've just become immune to that fact. |
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He has made several blunders here and has yet to say he was wrong. The guy
has an ego problem. reposted from yesterday: What was that about blunders? Subject: OT--Terrific employment news again From: (Gould 0738) Date: 6/7/2004 2:22 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Gulp! Does that mean Gould "lied" when he said that burger flippers *were* reclassified as manufacturing jobs? Maybe just gullible. More precisely, misled by the administration's own recommendation that fast food jobs should now be considered manufacturing. (Sort of like "ketchup counts as a vegetable in a school lunch") Whatever the source of my misinformation, I do hereby admit to being underinformed and reaching an erroneous conclusion. You guys have to be correct once in a while, how the heck else could you be called the "right" wing? :-) |
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The fact that Clinton and Bush,
and members of both parties in Congress made a mistake, doesn't make any of them a liar. Does the term "erroneous conclusion" mean "lie"? You knew that was coming, right Chuck? Yes, it does. Too bad the results of their erroneous conclusion aren't as benign as the results of mine. :-) |
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An erroneous conclusion is only a lie, if the person knew it was erroneous.
When Harry and his crowd state that Bush lied they mean he followed the advice of the experts and they were incorrect. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... The fact that Clinton and Bush, and members of both parties in Congress made a mistake, doesn't make any of them a liar. Does the term "erroneous conclusion" mean "lie"? You knew that was coming, right Chuck? Yes, it does. Too bad the results of their erroneous conclusion aren't as benign as the results of mine. :-) |
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On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:22:56 GMT, "John Smith" wrote:
I would not consider Gould's mistake to be a lie, it was a misunderstanding, which we all make. I have found whenever I read something in the newspaper that just doesn't seem right, it normally isn't. Newspapers are not the ultimate source of correct information, even the best of them write articles designed to sell newspapers. I remember reading about how the US was at the bottom of the barrel in education. When I checked into it, the tests were not given to the same population in all countries. The test was only given to people in the 12 yr. of education. In most countries at the age of 15 or 16 the students either continue on in the academic track, or change over to trade school. In non US countries only the best and brightest stay on the academic track and the average person is taken out of the testing pool. In the US all students stay on the academic track until 12 grade, so the US testing population included the best, the average and the dumbest, skewing the results of the test. At no time, was this ever discussed in any of the articles I read. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Gulp! Does that mean Gould "lied" when he said that burger flippers *were* reclassified as manufacturing jobs? Maybe just gullible. More precisely, misled by the administration's own recommendation that fast food jobs should now be considered manufacturing. (Sort of like "ketchup counts as a vegetable in a school lunch") Whatever the source of my misinformation, I do hereby admit to being underinformed and reaching an erroneous conclusion. You guys have to be correct once in a while, how the heck else could you be called the "right" wing? :-) Now, if I said that DC hookers were being counted as a "service industry", *that* would be a lie. You are so right! And never have I seen anything resembling your discussion printed in a newspaper. In the Netherlands the separation starts after sixth grade. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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John H wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:22:56 GMT, "John Smith" wrote: I would not consider Gould's mistake to be a lie, it was a misunderstanding, which we all make. I have found whenever I read something in the newspaper that just doesn't seem right, it normally isn't. Newspapers are not the ultimate source of correct information, even the best of them write articles designed to sell newspapers. I remember reading about how the US was at the bottom of the barrel in education. When I checked into it, the tests were not given to the same population in all countries. The test was only given to people in the 12 yr. of education. In most countries at the age of 15 or 16 the students either continue on in the academic track, or change over to trade school. In non US countries only the best and brightest stay on the academic track and the average person is taken out of the testing pool. In the US all students stay on the academic track until 12 grade, so the US testing population included the best, the average and the dumbest, skewing the results of the test. At no time, was this ever discussed in any of the articles I read. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Gulp! Does that mean Gould "lied" when he said that burger flippers *were* reclassified as manufacturing jobs? Maybe just gullible. More precisely, misled by the administration's own recommendation that fast food jobs should now be considered manufacturing. (Sort of like "ketchup counts as a vegetable in a school lunch") Whatever the source of my misinformation, I do hereby admit to being underinformed and reaching an erroneous conclusion. You guys have to be correct once in a while, how the heck else could you be called the "right" wing? :-) Now, if I said that DC hookers were being counted as a "service industry", *that* would be a lie. You are so right! And never have I seen anything resembling your discussion printed in a newspaper. In the Netherlands the separation starts after sixth grade. John H Is that knowledge gleaned from your child pornography habit? |
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