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why are you a hater?
As I read this board, I don't understand why so many people seem to
hate each other so much. People on both sides seem to be knowledgeable about boats. Is it just political differences that are creating the animosity? Do you guys just enjoy bashing each other? Some people sound like they are really upset when posting. |
They do this because they are not doing ANY boating. Get em out on the
water and it'll stop. |
You know how some couples who've been married for a long time sometimes (ok,
often, ok, becomes a way of life) are constantly bickering, whining, complaining. My opinion ... same thing here :-) The last job I left, second or third day on that job, two of the oldtimers (been there for years, I dunno how people can do that) got into one of those ... I asked them how long they'd been married ... well, that didn't go over very well ... :-) As I read this board, I don't understand why so many people seem to hate each other so much. People on both sides seem to be knowledgeable about boats. Is it just political differences that are creating the animosity? Do you guys just enjoy bashing each other? Some people sound like they are really upset when posting. |
Charlie Brown wrote: As I read this board, I don't understand why so many people seem to hate each other so much. People on both sides seem to be knowledgeable about boats. Is it just political differences that are creating the animosity? Do you guys just enjoy bashing each other? Some people sound like they are really upset when posting. Quote from another thread (about Darwin) on this forum: "I don't come here for approval. I just come here to **** a few people off." It has nothing to do with boating. These people would behave the same way if this were a sports, zoology, or foreign language newsgroup. I suspect many of them are anti-social misfits that go out into the world each day, routinely get the emotional or psychological crap kicked out of them, and look for almost any venue where they can become anonymous or semi-anonymous and "strike back" at total strangers. Too bad. |
Chuck,
Your summary of Harry Krause is dead nuts accurate. wrote in message oups.com... Charlie Brown wrote: As I read this board, I don't understand why so many people seem to hate each other so much. People on both sides seem to be knowledgeable about boats. Is it just political differences that are creating the animosity? Do you guys just enjoy bashing each other? Some people sound like they are really upset when posting. Quote from another thread (about Darwin) on this forum: "I don't come here for approval. I just come here to **** a few people off." It has nothing to do with boating. These people would behave the same way if this were a sports, zoology, or foreign language newsgroup. I suspect many of them are anti-social misfits that go out into the world each day, routinely get the emotional or psychological crap kicked out of them, and look for almost any venue where they can become anonymous or semi-anonymous and "strike back" at total strangers. Too bad. |
Starbuck wrote:
Chuck, Your summary of Harry Krause is dead nuts accurate. You sure that's who he was talking about? |
Don,
No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people than Harry Krause. I don't think he was talking about you, because you are really just seeking Harry's approval. Your real objective is not to insult others. I would guess that in the real world you are probably a nice guy. "Don White" wrote in message ... Starbuck wrote: Chuck, Your summary of Harry Krause is dead nuts accurate. You sure that's who he was talking about? |
Starbuck wrote:
Don, No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people than Harry Krause. I don't think he was talking about you, because you are really just seeking Harry's approval. Your real objective is not to insult others. I would guess that in the real world you are probably a nice guy. Tried that 'nice guy' routine..didn't work. My objective is to do a small part balancing the scales, trying to hold back the darkness that's enveloping the US and could possibly spread to Canada. These are trying times re George W, terrorists etc. |
wrote in message oups.com... Charlie Brown wrote: As I read this board, I don't understand why so many people seem to hate each other so much. People on both sides seem to be knowledgeable about boats. Is it just political differences that are creating the animosity? Do you guys just enjoy bashing each other? Some people sound like they are really upset when posting. Quote from another thread (about Darwin) on this forum: "I don't come here for approval. I just come here to **** a few people off." If you are going to quote me then you need to give me attribution. It has nothing to do with boating. These people would behave the same way if this were a sports, zoology, or foreign language newsgroup. I suspect many of them are anti-social misfits that go out into the world each day, routinely get the emotional or psychological crap kicked out of them, and look for almost any venue where they can become anonymous or semi-anonymous and "strike back" at total strangers. Too bad. The problems all started in early Nov. 2000. This is when the newsgroup devolved into a partisan political cesspool. All factions the liberal/progressives, "moderates", "independents" and conservatives are to blame. So, Chuck, what are you going to do to elevate the level of discussion? Are you going to go on one of your self imposed sabbaticals and come back just as angry and nasty as your were before? |
Don most likely drives a cash register at a fast food restaurant for a
living and seeks acceptance by those that he feels have succeeded beyond his wildest dreams but believes they started where he currently is. "Starbuck" wrote in message ... Don, No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people than Harry Krause. I don't think he was talking about you, because you are really just seeking Harry's approval. Your real objective is not to insult others. I would guess that in the real world you are probably a nice guy. "Don White" wrote in message ... Starbuck wrote: Chuck, Your summary of Harry Krause is dead nuts accurate. You sure that's who he was talking about? |
Bert Robbins wrote:
snip... So, Chuck, what are you going to do to elevate the level of discussion? Are you going to go on one of your self imposed sabbaticals and come back just as angry and nasty as your were before? Well, I guess we know what Bert is "going to do to elevate the level of discussion"! |
Don,
To be honest, neither the nice guy or bad guy actually makes any difference in Usenet. Very few people care what anyone says to them or about them. So while you might be "playing the bad guy", my guess is you are probably a good guy. The pendulum swings both ways, so you can expect the extreme right wing will swing back towards the center. I don't think we will be as socialistic as Canada, but the anti-Canada rhetoric you hear in rec.boats is not reflective of the vast majority of American citizens or the US government. I think most Americans' view Canada as family, and you are allowed to disagree with family. "Don White" wrote in message ... Starbuck wrote: Don, No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people than Harry Krause. I don't think he was talking about you, because you are really just seeking Harry's approval. Your real objective is not to insult others. I would guess that in the real world you are probably a nice guy. Tried that 'nice guy' routine..didn't work. My objective is to do a small part balancing the scales, trying to hold back the darkness that's enveloping the US and could possibly spread to Canada. These are trying times re George W, terrorists etc. |
Bert Robbins wrote:
Don most likely drives a cash register at a fast food restaurant for a living and seeks acceptance by those that he feels have succeeded beyond his wildest dreams but believes they started where he currently is. I rest my case... What kind of liquor are you sampling this weekend Bert? Still swilling the wine of back guzzling the beer? BTW as stated here many times, I have retired from a Crown Corporation after 32 years of service to the Canadian public. |
Bert,
I have no idea what Don does for a living, he has liberal philosophies, so he aligned himself with the liberals in rec.boats. There is nothing wrong with liberals or those who disagree with your conservative philosophy. It is actually beneficial that we have opposing views. I only find a few (maybe 3) of the liberals in rec.boats to be offensive, Don is not one of them. When I heard Don was taking care of his mother in her old age, he moved up in my book. It is very easy for people to talk the talk, but another thing to actually walk the walk. "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... Don most likely drives a cash register at a fast food restaurant for a living and seeks acceptance by those that he feels have succeeded beyond his wildest dreams but believes they started where he currently is. "Starbuck" wrote in message ... Don, No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people than Harry Krause. I don't think he was talking about you, because you are really just seeking Harry's approval. Your real objective is not to insult others. I would guess that in the real world you are probably a nice guy. "Don White" wrote in message ... Starbuck wrote: Chuck, Your summary of Harry Krause is dead nuts accurate. You sure that's who he was talking about? |
Starbuck wrote:
Don, To be honest, neither the nice guy or bad guy actually makes any difference in Usenet. Very few people care what anyone says to them or about them. So while you might be "playing the bad guy", my guess is you are probably a good guy. The pendulum swings both ways, so you can expect the extreme right wing will swing back towards the center. I don't think we will be as socialistic as Canada, but the anti-Canada rhetoric you hear in rec.boats is not reflective of the vast majority of American citizens or the US government. I think most Americans' view Canada as family, and you are allowed to disagree with family. Sounds good. Now tell George W. to give back the $5 billion he swindled from us over the softwood lumber dispute. |
Don,
GWB doesn't listen to me, but I actually had to Google up what the softwood dispute was. I think the dispute is over a 27% tariff imposed due to claims of dumping. Where did the $5 billion dollar "swindle" come from? Do you mean $5 billion in lost income? "Don White" wrote in message ... Starbuck wrote: Don, To be honest, neither the nice guy or bad guy actually makes any difference in Usenet. Very few people care what anyone says to them or about them. So while you might be "playing the bad guy", my guess is you are probably a good guy. The pendulum swings both ways, so you can expect the extreme right wing will swing back towards the center. I don't think we will be as socialistic as Canada, but the anti-Canada rhetoric you hear in rec.boats is not reflective of the vast majority of American citizens or the US government. I think most Americans' view Canada as family, and you are allowed to disagree with family. Sounds good. Now tell George W. to give back the $5 billion he swindled from us over the softwood lumber dispute. |
PS - The softwood labor dispute is over 20 yrs old, so it really isn't a GWB
thing. It appears that NAFTA will side with Canada. "Starbuck" wrote in message . .. Don, GWB doesn't listen to me, but I actually had to Google up what the softwood dispute was. I think the dispute is over a 27% tariff imposed due to claims of dumping. Where did the $5 billion dollar "swindle" come from? Do you mean $5 billion in lost income? "Don White" wrote in message ... Starbuck wrote: Don, To be honest, neither the nice guy or bad guy actually makes any difference in Usenet. Very few people care what anyone says to them or about them. So while you might be "playing the bad guy", my guess is you are probably a good guy. The pendulum swings both ways, so you can expect the extreme right wing will swing back towards the center. I don't think we will be as socialistic as Canada, but the anti-Canada rhetoric you hear in rec.boats is not reflective of the vast majority of American citizens or the US government. I think most Americans' view Canada as family, and you are allowed to disagree with family. Sounds good. Now tell George W. to give back the $5 billion he swindled from us over the softwood lumber dispute. |
Bert Robbins wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Charlie Brown wrote: As I read this board, I don't understand why so many people seem to hate each other so much. People on both sides seem to be knowledgeable about boats. Is it just political differences that are creating the animosity? Do you guys just enjoy bashing each other? Some people sound like they are really upset when posting. Quote from another thread (about Darwin) on this forum: "I don't come here for approval. I just come here to **** a few people off." If you are going to quote me then you need to give me attribution. Was that you? A lot of the content here is pretty interchangeable from party A to party B and its pretty easy to lose track of names since most people don't use a real name or change it every douple of days. Sorry I didn't give you full credit for admitting that your purpose for participating here is "to **** a few people off". The honesty of such a statement is commendable. It has nothing to do with boating. These people would behave the same way if this were a sports, zoology, or foreign language newsgroup. I suspect many of them are anti-social misfits that go out into the world each day, routinely get the emotional or psychological crap kicked out of them, and look for almost any venue where they can become anonymous or semi-anonymous and "strike back" at total strangers. Too bad. The problems all started in early Nov. 2000. This is when the newsgroup devolved into a partisan political cesspool. All factions the liberal/progressives, "moderates", "independents" and conservatives are to blame. The problem will continue until we individually choose to remove our own bad acting from the scene. Too many guys reason, "BS. As long as XXXXX XXXXX is posting hateful crap here, I have to do my share to get or stay even with that negative and anti social behavior and I won't stop until he/she does!" IOW, certain people have no control over their own lives, and allow other people to determine the standards for their behavior. Wowzers. To me, that's a scary sceanario. So, Chuck, what are you going to do to elevate the level of discussion? Are you going to go on one of your self imposed sabbaticals and come back just as angry and nasty as your were before? 1) Continue my effort to refrain from name calling. 2) If I choose to disagree on an issue, do so from a fact or opinion-based perspective rather than launch a long harangue listing the past and present shortcomings of some person in the NG, calling names, and otherwise operating from the personal attack and insult level. 3) Resist the temptation to start a lot of OT threads. (When I really get up to speed, I'll work on resisting the temptation to participate in them as well). 4) Try to introduce some threads that are boating related. 5) Turn the other cheek. If in doing so, a few people notice that it happens to be the cheek of my arse I guess that's a personal imperfection. 6) Try to avoid ever getting to the point where I have to admit that my purpose for clicking into the NG is simply to "**** a few people off." Does this work? I would submit my improved on-line relationship with a former nemesis in this group as an example. Only a few months ago, another person and I were at each other every day. Who knows whose fault it was? Who cares? After a long, bitter battle we were always in a perpetual stalemate. Our feud was simply one of many stinking up the NG. The other party and I somehow mutually and informally agreed to give the whole mess a rest, and so far it's working. I'm as big as jackass as I ever was, but that individual has now chosen not to continuously point out "you're a jackass!" (no need, it's obvious) in every thread in which I participate. I have made a serious effort to extend a similar courtesy in return. The other party and I have some major philosophical and political disagreements, and that has not and most likely will not ever change. In that particular case, two people who were acting like (nasty) children simply elected to begin acting like intelligent adults. I believe that option is probably open to just about everybody. How sad it would be if the "side" of some people we see displayed in this forum turned out to be an accurate profile of who they are in "real life." My own behavior here is far from perfect, but I can honestly say I make an effort. I am trying not to sink to the level of the lowest common denominator in this forum. How about you? |
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Starbuck wrote:
Don, GWB doesn't listen to me, but I actually had to Google up what the softwood dispute was. I think the dispute is over a 27% tariff imposed due to claims of dumping. Where did the $5 billion dollar "swindle" come from? Do you mean $5 billion in lost income? note: the tariffs have only been applied since 'the International Outlaw' took over Washington. see: http://www.senioryears.com/dispute.html http://www.globalgeorgia.com/newsMAN...=1209&zoneid=1 http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/colum...T_OUR_WAY_.asp http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...26030/-1/MONEY |
As an American Consumer, I hope NAFTA puts some teeth into their decision,
and they force this issue soon. If you read the article in Senior Years, you would have seen they do not place the responsibility for this on GWB. They placed the blame 100% on the Congress and the fact that the lobbyist have too many in their pockets. It is too easy to place all blame on those you disagree, ie GWB and Katrina and flooding, and to ignore the facts. "Don White" wrote in message ... Starbuck wrote: Don, GWB doesn't listen to me, but I actually had to Google up what the softwood dispute was. I think the dispute is over a 27% tariff imposed due to claims of dumping. Where did the $5 billion dollar "swindle" come from? Do you mean $5 billion in lost income? note: the tariffs have only been applied since 'the International Outlaw' took over Washington. see: http://www.senioryears.com/dispute.html http://www.globalgeorgia.com/newsMAN...=1209&zoneid=1 http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/colum...T_OUR_WAY_.asp http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...26030/-1/MONEY |
out in the water, in a good storm....it fosters
team work...imho..... |
"It is too easy to place all blame on
those you disagree, ie GWB and Katrina and flooding, and to ignore the facts.".. well stated, imho...placing quick blame lets folks get onto "other business"...i guess..... |
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Starbuck wrote: Don, No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people than Harry Krause. You should take a look at one of your buddies, Fritz. I have NEVER seen a post of his that was on topic. |
wrote in message ps.com... Starbuck wrote: Don, No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people than Harry Krause. You should take a look at one of your buddies, Fritz. I have NEVER seen a post of his that was on topic. Pot-kettle-black? |
Kevin,
I really don't know if Fritz posts boating posts, (I really don't know if I have read any boating posts from you) but I know he makes about 1/10 the number of posts that Harry makes. Even if we give Harry the benefit of the doubt, and say 5% of Harry posts are on topic and the other 95% are personal attacks, Fritz is a long way from approaching Harry's record. Since Harry is "on vacation", why don't we see if we can stop the personal attacks. wrote in message ps.com... Starbuck wrote: Don, No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people than Harry Krause. You should take a look at one of your buddies, Fritz. I have NEVER seen a post of his that was on topic. |
"Starbuck" wrote in message ... Kevin, I really don't know if Fritz posts boating posts, (I really don't know if I have read any boating posts from you) but I know he makes about 1/10 the number of posts that Harry makes. Even if we give Harry the benefit of the doubt, and say 5% of Harry posts are on topic and the other 95% are personal attacks, Fritz is a long way from approaching Harry's record. Since Harry is "on vacation", why don't we see if we can stop the personal attacks. wrote in message ps.com... Starbuck wrote: Don, No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people than Harry Krause. You should take a look at one of your buddies, Fritz. I have NEVER seen a post of his that was on topic. Poor kevin, wrong as always. But then, just take a look at the number of attack threads kevin has started using peoples names in the title.......as well as his sock puppets ones. And kevin wonders why he is the "King of the NG idiots" LMAO |
*JimH* wrote: wrote in message ps.com... Starbuck wrote: Don, No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people than Harry Krause. You should take a look at one of your buddies, Fritz. I have NEVER seen a post of his that was on topic. Pot-kettle-black? Wrong, Asshole. |
wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message ps.com... Starbuck wrote: Don, No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people than Harry Krause. You should take a look at one of your buddies, Fritz. I have NEVER seen a post of his that was on topic. Pot-kettle-black? Wrong, Asshole. There you go again with the flaming. I thought you said you don't flame folks here. And please point me to your latest boating related post. |
If you disagreed with JimH, couldn't you have said "wrong" with out the
Asshole comment? wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message ps.com... Starbuck wrote: Don, No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people than Harry Krause. You should take a look at one of your buddies, Fritz. I have NEVER seen a post of his that was on topic. Pot-kettle-black? Wrong, Asshole. |
Starbuck wrote:
Since Harry is "on vacation", why don't we see if we can stop the personal attacks. Because a certain overly opinionated pipsqueak and flame thrower is still dumping his Seattle Liberal trash on this NG...That is why!!! -- Skipper |
Skipper wrote in message ... Starbuck wrote: Since Harry is "on vacation", why don't we see if we can stop the personal attacks. Because a certain overly opinionated pipsqueak and flame thrower is still dumping his Seattle Liberal trash on this NG...That is why!!! -- Skipper Skipper Test To determine if the recently returned "Skipper" is our long lost Skipper of old, I pose the following question: Skipper, for many years good natured barbs were exchanged in rec.boats among the participants. You received and delivered your share, but most were humorous and certainly not mean tempered. At one point however, you accused me of a dastardly deed, for which I was never forgiven. For ten points and a certificate of authenticity, what was the alleged dastardly deed? Tick-tock-tick-tock ..... Eisboch |
Eisboch wrote:
Skipper Test To determine if the recently returned "Skipper" is our long lost Skipper of old, I pose the following question: Skipper, for many years good natured barbs were exchanged in rec.boats among the participants. You received and delivered your share, but most were humorous and certainly not mean tempered. At one point however, you accused me of a dastardly deed, for which I was never forgiven. For ten points and a certificate of authenticity, what was the alleged dastardly deed? Tick-tock-tick-tock ..... Eisboch This seems a bit like the Rec.boats Jeopardy of old, Eisbock...but for the ten points...What was a poorly handled handoff of the boats of Rec.boats, allowing spammers and flamers to take it over, Alex? -- Skipper |
Starbuck wrote: If you disagreed with JimH, couldn't you have said "wrong" with out the Asshole comment? Yes, but I choose not to. You see, JimH has stated that if you respond to a reply that is a reply directly to you, but has called you another name, that that is absolute proof positive that that IS your name. He responded to me when I called him Asshole, ergo, using HIS analogy, that's his real, true name. |
wrote in message ups.com... Starbuck wrote: If you disagreed with JimH, couldn't you have said "wrong" with out the Asshole comment? Yes, but I choose not to. You see, JimH has stated that if you respond to a reply that is a reply directly to you, but has called you another name, that that is absolute proof positive that that IS your name. 'Potty Mouth', can you explain that again, this time in English? |
"Skipper" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: Skipper Test To determine if the recently returned "Skipper" is our long lost Skipper of old, I pose the following question: Skipper, for many years good natured barbs were exchanged in rec.boats among the participants. You received and delivered your share, but most were humorous and certainly not mean tempered. At one point however, you accused me of a dastardly deed, for which I was never forgiven. For ten points and a certificate of authenticity, what was the alleged dastardly deed? Tick-tock-tick-tock ..... Eisboch This seems a bit like the Rec.boats Jeopardy of old, Eisbock...but for the ten points...What was a poorly handled handoff of the boats of Rec.boats, allowing spammers and flamers to take it over, Alex? -- Skipper Why don't you answer his question? |
Skipper wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: Skipper Test To determine if the recently returned "Skipper" is our long lost Skipper of old, I pose the following question: Skipper, for many years good natured barbs were exchanged in rec.boats among the participants. You received and delivered your share, but most were humorous and certainly not mean tempered. At one point however, you accused me of a dastardly deed, for which I was never forgiven. For ten points and a certificate of authenticity, what was the alleged dastardly deed? Tick-tock-tick-tock ..... Eisboch This seems a bit like the Rec.boats Jeopardy of old, Eisbock...but for the ten points...What was a poorly handled handoff of the boats of Rec.boats, allowing spammers and flamers to take it over, Alex? -- Skipper Give the man the points! Welcome back, Skipper. (sincerely) How's the knee? Eisboch |
*JimH* wrote in message ... Why don't you answer his question? He did, correctly. He's the real magilla. Eisboch |
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