As an American Consumer, I hope NAFTA puts some teeth into their decision,
and they force this issue soon.

If you read the article in Senior Years, you would have seen they do not
place the responsibility for this on GWB. They placed the blame 100% on the
Congress and the fact that the lobbyist have too many in their pockets.

It is too easy to place all blame on those you disagree, ie GWB and Katrina
and flooding, and to ignore the facts.


"Don White" wrote in message
...
Starbuck wrote:
Don,
GWB doesn't listen to me, but I actually had to Google up what the
softwood dispute was. I think the dispute is over a 27% tariff imposed
due to claims of dumping. Where did the $5 billion dollar "swindle" come
from? Do you mean $5 billion in lost income?

note: the tariffs have only been applied since 'the International Outlaw'
took over Washington.
see:
http://www.senioryears.com/dispute.html
http://www.globalgeorgia.com/newsMAN...=1209&zoneid=1
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/colum...T_OUR_WAY_.asp
http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...26030/-1/MONEY

out in the water, in a good storm....it fosters
team work...imho.....

"It is too easy to place all blame on
those you disagree, ie GWB and Katrina
and flooding, and to ignore the facts."..

well stated, imho...placing quick blame
lets folks get onto "other business"...i
guess.....

On 24 Sep 2005 08:51:51 -0700, wrote:


So, Chuck, what are you going to do to elevate the level of discussion? Are
you going to go on one of your self imposed sabbaticals and come back just
as angry and nasty as your were before?

1) Continue my effort to refrain from name calling.

Sounds good to me.

2) If I choose to disagree on an issue, do so from a fact or
opinion-based perspective rather than launch a long harangue listing
the past and present shortcomings of some person in the NG, calling
names, and otherwise operating from the personal attack and insult
level.

OK. I'll buy that one.

3) Resist the temptation to start a lot of OT threads. (When I really
get up to speed, I'll work on resisting the temptation to participate
in them as well).

I can live with that.

4) Try to introduce some threads that are boating related.

Sounds reasonable.

5) Turn the other cheek. If in doing so, a few people notice that it
happens to be the cheek of my arse I guess that's a personal
imperfection.

OK.

6) Try to avoid ever getting to the point where I have to admit that my
purpose for clicking into the NG is simply to "**** a few people off."

Fair enough.

Does this work?

Stop Bush-bashing just for the sake of bashing?


I would submit my improved on-line relationship with a former nemesis
in this group as an example. Only a few months ago, another person and
I were at each other every day. Who knows whose fault it was? Who
cares? After a long, bitter battle we were always in a perpetual
stalemate. Our feud was simply one of many stinking up the NG. The
other party and I somehow mutually and informally agreed to give the
whole mess a rest, and so far it's working. I'm as big as jackass as I
ever was, but that individual has now chosen not to continuously point
out "you're a jackass!" (no need, it's obvious) in every thread in
which I participate. I have made a serious effort to extend a similar
courtesy in return. The other party and I have some major philosophical
and political disagreements, and that has not and most likely will not
ever change. In that particular case, two people who were acting like
(nasty) children simply elected to begin acting like intelligent
adults. I believe that option is probably open to just about everybody.
How sad it would be if the "side" of
some people we see displayed in this forum turned out to be an accurate
profile of who they are in "real life."

My own behavior here is far from perfect, but I can honestly say I make
an effort. I am trying not to sink to the level of the lowest common
denominator in this forum. How about you?

Sounds reasonable, Chuck. I'll sign up. Wonder if anyone else will?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

[This followup was posted to rec.boats and a copy was sent to the cited
author.]

In article ,
says...
As I read this board, I don't understand why so many people seem to
hate each other so much. People on both sides seem to be
knowledgeable about boats. Is it just political differences that are
creating the animosity? Do you guys just enjoy bashing each other?
Some people sound like they are really upset when posting.


It's a simple thing they are anal retentive with the emotional maturity
of thirteen year olds.

If you want to be puzzled by something make why some otherwise mature
adults to not only read their banal and inane juvenile wrangling but
even reply to them.

If that was to stop there would be a lot more boating messages instead
of the usual twenty out of two hundred with the other hundred and eighty
consisting of name calling and absolutely ridiculous and meaningless
political posts.

--
Mike G.
Heirloom Woods

www.heirloom-woods.net

Starbuck wrote:
Don,
No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people
than Harry Krause.

You should take a look at one of your buddies, Fritz. I have NEVER seen
a post of his that was on topic.

wrote in message
ps.com...

Starbuck wrote:
Don,
No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people
than Harry Krause.

You should take a look at one of your buddies, Fritz. I have NEVER seen
a post of his that was on topic.

Pot-kettle-black?

Kevin,
I really don't know if Fritz posts boating posts, (I really don't know if I
have read any boating posts from you) but I know he makes about 1/10 the
number of posts that Harry makes.

Even if we give Harry the benefit of the doubt, and say 5% of Harry posts
are on topic and the other 95% are personal attacks, Fritz is a long way
from approaching Harry's record.

Since Harry is "on vacation", why don't we see if we can stop the personal
attacks.

wrote in message
ps.com...

Starbuck wrote:
Don,
No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people
than Harry Krause.

You should take a look at one of your buddies, Fritz. I have NEVER seen
a post of his that was on topic.

"Starbuck" wrote in message
...
Kevin,
I really don't know if Fritz posts boating posts, (I really don't know if
I
have read any boating posts from you) but I know he makes about 1/10 the
number of posts that Harry makes.

Even if we give Harry the benefit of the doubt, and say 5% of Harry posts
are on topic and the other 95% are personal attacks, Fritz is a long way
from approaching Harry's record.

Since Harry is "on vacation", why don't we see if we can stop the personal
attacks.

wrote in message
ps.com...

Starbuck wrote:
Don,
No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people
than Harry Krause.

You should take a look at one of your buddies, Fritz. I have NEVER seen
a post of his that was on topic.


Poor kevin, wrong as always.

But then, just take a look at the number of attack threads kevin has started
using peoples names in the title.......as well as his sock puppets ones.

And kevin wonders why he is the "King of the NG idiots" LMAO

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ps.com...

Starbuck wrote:
Don,
No one in rec.boats spends more time striking out at people
than Harry Krause.

You should take a look at one of your buddies, Fritz. I have NEVER seen
a post of his that was on topic.

Pot-kettle-black?

Wrong, Asshole.