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The first time you were on moving water could you control your boat
perfectly or have you never in your paddling history run into anyone? Other than the color of their life jackets being yellow, did anyone actually say they were from the girl scouts? I don't remember you saying that you actually heard that from them. If these were boys scouts would you have been just as offended? You seemed to really be dogging them out because they were girls. C. |
Courtney, don't you get it? Paul lives his life as an
angry man. He'll find a way to be angry no matter what the scenario. You on the otherhand have your entire future ahead of you. If you turn all events into discrimination against women and girls you will turn out like Paul. You are not a victim but you don't believe your not. The first time you were on moving water could you control your boat perfectly or have you never in your paddling history run into anyone? Other than the color of their life jackets being yellow, did anyone actually say they were from the girl scouts? I don't remember you saying that you actually heard that from them. If these were boys scouts would you have been just as offended? You seemed to really be dogging them out because they were girls. C. .. |
In a previous article, "Courtney" said:
The first time you were on moving water could you control your boat perfectly or have you never in your paddling history run into anyone? As I said earlier, the first time I was on the water, I was given a few minutes of instruction on basic canoe control before I was allowed to go somewhere where I could be a menace to myself and others. This flotilla of doom had both girls and boys in it, and most of them didn't know what the hell they were doing. I think it's irresponsible of leaders to set kids loose without basic instruction. If that had been my kids (and if I hadn't given them instruction already) and I saw them lurching along like that, I would have pulled them out of whatever program they were in and found another program with competent leadership. If these were boys scouts would you have been just as offended? You seemed to really be dogging them out because they were girls. What the hell difference does their gender make? I identified them as girls because that's what they were, not because that makes any difference in the idiocy of sending kids out with no instruction. I'd like to know where you got this idea I was "dogging them out because they were girls". I think you're revealing your own predjudices. -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ please excuse my typing, but my whole left arm is in a cast. and i don't mean _the king and i_. |
In a previous article, John said:
angry man. He'll find a way to be angry no matter what the scenario. You on the otherhand have your entire future *plonk* Moron. -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ please excuse my typing, but my whole left arm is in a cast. and i don't mean _the king and i_. |
Courtney wrote:
The first time you were on moving water could you control your boat perfectly or have you never in your paddling history run into anyone? Other than the color of their life jackets being yellow, did anyone actually say they were from the girl scouts? I don't remember you saying that you actually heard that from them. If these were boys scouts would you have been just as offended? You seemed to really be dogging them out because they were girls. C. I'd like to know this too. If the girls were really part of GSUSA, their leaders were not following the basic safety and training guidelines of the organization. I do canoe instruction for my GSUSA council, and we always start with flat water. Only girls 7th grade and up can do any moving water, and that is only if they have already trained on flat water. My guess is that it was a church group or Y group. Did you see any adults? Pam |
Paul Tomblin wrote:
: In a previous article, "Courtney" said: :The first time you were on moving water could you control your boat :perfectly or have you never in your paddling history run into anyone? : As I said earlier, the first time I was on the water, I was given a few : minutes of instruction on basic canoe control before I was allowed to go : somewhere where I could be a menace to myself and others. This flotilla : of doom had both girls and boys in it, and most of them didn't know what : the hell they were doing. I think it's irresponsible of leaders to set : kids loose without basic instruction. If that had been my kids (and if I : hadn't given them instruction already) and I saw them lurching along like : that, I would have pulled them out of whatever program they were in and : found another program with competent leadership. Well... first let me say that I'm a boy scout leader... nether the boy scouts nor the girl scouts allow youth members of the opposing genders (there are no boys in girl scouts and there are no girls in boy scouts). That said... we've done canoe and kayak trips (we built our own kayaks... took 3 months in the church basement for each kid to complete... I had Marge Cline and a few other instructors come out and do a class in a local lake before we started using the kayaks we built... but, before we were allowed to do any of that... myself and another adult went thru Safe Swim and Safety Afloat training... and three of us huffed thru a lifeguard class (800 yard swim was tiring), and became CPR certified... Scouts have lots of rules including requiring training for adults, safety certifications and training for the scouts. We did a trip across the State of Illinois... hiking, biking and paddling... the boys did enough miles to earn hiking (75 miles) and cycling (150 miles) merit badges... canoeing merit badge doesn't have distance requirments so they all earned that at summer camp. Since the youth group wasn't paying attention to you but you saw them, did you announce yourself or announce that you were passing? Even on bikes or walking, if someone isn't looking at you and you are passing them, it's polite to say "Passing on your right" (or left) or just say "On your right" (or left) so they aren't startled when a object starts to pass... When kids are goofing around, they are in a world all their own... think back to when you were a kid... a polite word from the outside world usually gets their attention back in order... Here's a pic of our kayaks... cost about $25 per boy... the skin is that plastic coocooning material they use to winterize sailboats and I got it for $4 per boat from a local boat shop. Had each kid save 12*1 gallon milk jugs with lids for flotation.. tied to internal wood frame... http://www.chicagopaddling.org/lilyak.jpg -- John Nelson ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page http://www.chicagopaddling.org http://www.chicagofishing.org (A Non-Commercial Web Site: No Sponsors, No Paid Ads and Nothing to Sell) |
Lance LaFrinier wrote:
: Only if somebody teaches them to not be a menace to themselves and others : first. : : 30 years ago when I was taken canoeing by my YMCA day camp, they spend : some time in a secluded bay teaching us strokes and how to handle the : canoes before being sent into a popular paddling area. These morons : didn't even TRY to steer or stop. They didn't even say "sorry". : Ok, you were in a kayak and couldn't avoid a boat load of little girls...and : you are ****ed. Get over it Three girls in a aluminum canoe ran him down? -- John Nelson ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page http://www.chicagopaddling.org http://www.chicagofishing.org (A Non-Commercial Web Site: No Sponsors, No Paid Ads and Nothing to Sell) |
"Three girls in a aluminum canoe ran him down?"
Not only that, but "when a gaggle of scouts came up the river" - they apparently did so while paddling upriver. Those must have been some menacing Girl Scouts, able to attain upriver so fast that the collision was unavoidable. |
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